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Post by Kay on Sept 9, 2010 17:53:57 GMT -6
Imzadi/ Theresa Thanks for this, I now see the case in a different light. She clearly deserved it! Hopefully it taught her a lesson on parenting. On a similar note kids who don't look both ways before crossing the road deserve to crushed by articulated lorries. Here's hoping every parent who isn't as perfect as you suffers a terrible tragedy. Poor little blighters! Greggsmom is correct you did say this, I remember vividly your ridiculous assertions last time. It was that post that first persuaded me of your utter stupidity and lack of emotional intelligence. What irks me more than anything is that actually I think you have the makings of a point here. Vennables was most likely the victim of abuse himself and whilst I deplore what he did I feel a sadness for the sad and dark life a 10 year old boy endured. However, unlike you, I don't take this empathy for him and translate it into blame for the victim. Vennables had an awful life, that is fact, this however was not the fault of Denise Bulger nor James. Hi, me too! Would like to say I've missed you but........ By the way, are you still a scumpal? Joey Wow, you've been missed, I hope this isn't just a drive by
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Post by Kay on Aug 23, 2010 17:50:48 GMT -6
Well, I must say I've got ZERO empathy for death row inmates survivors. Indeed, they can go to hell as their eliminated dear one shyte! Um...why? An inmates family never hurt anyone. In retrospect, an inmates family is another victim to the inmate's crime committed. Exactly Lauren, and Lady sure doesn't deserve such harsh words
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Post by Kay on Aug 18, 2010 4:13:50 GMT -6
Remembering Jenny and Elizabeth. May your bright lights forever shine
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Post by Kay on Aug 10, 2010 20:00:33 GMT -6
I'm from Tucson and we recently had three guys escape, two murderers and one atempted murderer. Thanks to this escape we have AT LEAST two people in New Mexico dead! Need another reason for the death penalty? If inmates escape, the state has failed in their duty to provide a safe, dignified and controlled environment for the inmates, and their duty to protect the outside world. Thus - this is no argument for the death penalty; it's rather an argument for improved security routines, better perimeter security etc. The fact that someone should be fired and stuff improved for this, is obvious - but killing people is never of any use to anyone. It seems the Director of Corrections has admitted that lax security contributed to the escape of these inmates. Corrections department Director Charles L. Ryan said "lax" security may have created an opportunity for 36-year-old Daniel Renwick, 42-year-old Tracy Province, and 45-year-old John McCluskey to escape Friday. www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=12905774
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Post by Kay on Aug 10, 2010 19:57:14 GMT -6
I suppose that you could call someone capable of murder helpless. Me , I look at it as he put himself there by putting some innocent in the same position that the murderer is enjoying at that moment. As far as I am concerned the results should be the same. I'm from Tucson and we recently had three guys escape, two murderers and one atempted murderer. Thanks to this escape we have AT LEAST two people in New Mexico dead! Need another reason for the death penalty? Correct me if, I'm wrong, but weren't those murderers sentences decided by a jury of proponents of the death penalty? So why weren't they sentenced to death?
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Post by Kay on Jul 14, 2010 6:30:50 GMT -6
The problem is that no one can agree on the definition of Good Works. That's not true, you are the one who does not accept any other explanation except the Christian one. You then judge others who do not believe as you do, to be morally bankrupt. Not a way to spread the good news, in my opinion.
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Post by Kay on Jul 8, 2010 19:24:06 GMT -6
cheating on someone isn't a crime--its a moral issue rooted in various religious beliefs. We don't stone cheaters, we divorce or leave them. Anyway, one has to look at the bigger picture than just adultrey and the culture of Iran where womens rights are slim to none. Just the thought of one woman their being a cheater is enough to get her stoned to death--she may in fact have never cheated or she could have been raped and that is overlooked. FURTHER, you do not see men getting stoned for adultry, its just women. I don't think Cyclone ever suggested that she believes in this punishment, I think she was merely stating that to the iranians the West has a credibility problem when it comes to some issues because of our blaze attitude toward adultery. We place a value judgement on another culture based on our own culture and our values. They look at us and think we are a bunch of loose hussies. We aren't of course, but lets face it we really do undermine the meaning of marriage and family. If a husband is sick of his wife, ahh stuff, it i will get sex elsewhere. It has happened to alot of my friends. I woudl never say stone the husband, but its as if there is no shame in it with some people. I am the ultimate Heathen, but I value my marriage alot, I value the sanctity of marriage and what it means to our family. According to Cyclone, you have no values, Kita
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Post by Kay on Jul 8, 2010 4:31:12 GMT -6
The west has a credibility problem. Not only we say don't stone adulterers, we don't believe it is a serious matter. We don't say adulterers should be punished in any sense at all. That is why they don't take us seriously. What punishment would you assess to someone who commits adultery, Cyclone? Why no answer to my question?
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Post by Kay on Jul 8, 2010 4:29:57 GMT -6
yeah, adultresses should be stoned right alongside those nasty scummy poo packers. What's wrong with the west anyway? What are you complaining about? You have no right to tell them they are wrong. Remember you are an athiest. You have no right to tell them your personal values are better then there personal values. Besides the point I was saying is that they won't listen to the West, because they don't see the West as being of Good Character. If being Christian involves narrow minded hypocrisy along with ignorance and bigotry, it's time for me to seriously consider renouncing my faith.
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Post by Kay on Jul 7, 2010 21:09:42 GMT -6
The west has a credibility problem. Not only we say don't stone adulterers, we don't believe it is a serious matter. We don't say adulterers should be punished in any sense at all. That is why they don't take us seriously. What punishment would you assess to someone who commits adultery, Cyclone?
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Post by Kay on Jun 25, 2010 5:47:29 GMT -6
When I was a child, my Grandmother told me that executees were given lots of liquids before their executions because the fluid helped the Chair do its work with greater efficency. Now that I am older, it is clear that my grandma was mistaken. My Grandma also said that the Chair made your eyes pop out and that reform school electrocuted kids who got in trouble. Do any of you hear any death penalty old-wives' tales that you wish to share? By granny was not yet 40 when I was born, and she lived to be 88. In all those years, we never discussed execution.
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Post by Kay on Jun 1, 2010 6:18:44 GMT -6
Wednesday, May 26, 2010 Media Advisory: George Jones scheduled for execution AUSTIN–Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott offers the following information about George Alarick Jones, who is scheduled to be executed on Wednesday, June 2, 2010, for the 1993 capital murder of Forest J. Hall. FACTS OF THE CRIME On April 13, 1993, Hall’s lifeless body was found in a ditch alongside a road in Lancaster, Texas. Hall had been shot twice in the back of the head at very close range. Police recovered two spent .380 automatic shell casings near Hall’s body. The following day, Dallas police officers recovered Hall’s vehicle abandoned on a street near Fair Park in Dallas. Hall’s car had been stripped; the tires and rims were missing, as were the car’s stereo and speakers. Within a week, a Lancaster patrolman involved in a pursuit of a suspected stolen vehicle recovered a .380 automatic pistol that was later found to be the weapon used to kill Hall. The pistol was left behind in the stolen car, after the car’s lone occupant fled on foot. Five months following Hall’s murder, Derrick Rogers confessed his and Jones’ participation in Hall’s murder to detectives with the Dallas Police Department and a special agent with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. At trial, Rogers testified that he had known Jones for over two years and that, on the afternoon of April 13, 1993, Rogers and Jones, along with two others, went to a shopping mall in Dallas to look for someone to rob. They first saw Hall get out of his white car and enter the shopping mall. The group then waited, and when Hall left the mall, Rogers and Jones, armed with a .380 automatic pistol, forced Hall into his car and drove to a secluded road in South Dallas. The others followed them in a separate car. Once parked, Jones ordered Hall out of the car and shot him twice in the head as Hall lay down in the grass. Afterwards, Rogers and Jones took Hall’s car and rejoined the others at a nearby McDonald’s restaurant. Rogers detailed his and Jones’s participation in a voluntary written statement given to the detectives on September 23, 1993. Once Jones had been implicated in the capital murder, the detectives obtained a warrant and then arrested Jones at his home in South Dallas. Within hours, Jones also gave a three-page voluntary written statement admitting his involvement in the murder. Jones also admitted that a car stereo and speakers found in his house belonged to the victim and the tires and rims were pawned at a nearby pawn shop. A forensic document examiner determined that it was in fact Jones who signed the pawn slip for the tires and rims. The jury also heard from Derrick Rogers’ girlfriend, who confirmed much of Rogers’ testimony. She testified that she saw Jones, armed with a pistol, force Hall into his car and drive away from the shopping mall. She then followed Jones, Hall, and Rogers to a secluded street south of Dallas. There she saw Hall step out of the car with his hands raised as Jones held a gun on him. As she drove away, she heard two gunshots. Later she asked Jones why he killed Hall. Jones replied so he wouldn’t get to see his son. PROCEDURAL HISTORY On March 22, 1995, a Dallas County jury found Jones guilty of capital murder. His conviction and sentence were automatically appealed to the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals of Texas, which affirmed the conviction and sentence on September 16, 1998. The appeals court denied Jones’ motion for rehearing on December 9, 1998. The U.S. Supreme Court denied Jones’ petition for writ of certiorari on November 8, 1999. Jones filed a state application for writ of habeas corpus with the trial court on October 16, 1998. The trial court filed findings of fact and conclusions of law recommending the denial of habeas relief. On September 13, 2000, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals adopted the trial court’s findings and conclusions and denied relief. Jones filed a federal petition for writ of habeas corpus in a Dallas U.S. district court on September 6, 2001. The district court denied relief in a judgment dated July 23, 2003, and denied Jones’ motion to alter or amend the judgment in an order dated October 8, 2003. However, the district court later granted Jones a certificate of appealability. The United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit denied relief on the merits of the COA claims on June 24, 2004, and denied Jones’ motion for rehearing on July 21, 2004. The U.S. Supreme Court denied Jones’ petition for a writ of certiorari on January 10, 2005. On January 12, 2005, Jones filed a second state application for a writ of habeas corpus, alleging that he is mentally retarded and thus constitutionally ineligible for execution. After determining that Jones’ second application satisfied the statutory requirements for successive writ applications, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals issued a stay of execution and remanded Jones’ application to the trial court for consideration. On February 24, 2010, agreeing with the trial court’s conclusion that Jones is not mentally retarded, the appeals court denied relief on the merits of Jones’ second claim. Jones did not seek a writ of certiorari from the Supreme Court. EVIDENCE OF FUTURE DANGEROUSNESS In addition to facts of the capital murder, the State presented evidence that Jones had actively participated in at least five other aggravated robberies. The facts of the various aggravated robberies are very similar. In each, Jones, along with one or more other individuals, confronted a victim in a public place, and armed with either a handgun, a rifle, a shotgun, or some other weapon, forcibly took the victim’s car. The victim of at least one of these aggravated robberies was shot at several times, and another was maced as he used a public pay phone. The cars that were eventually recovered had been destroyed or stripped of all their specialty equipment, such as the tires, rims, and stereos. Jones' jury also heard testimony that during one of his car jacking sprees, Jones and an accomplice kidnapped and killed a young woman named Kindra Buckner. Jones and his accomplice drove their 20-year-old victim to a secluded spot, forced her to strip naked, searched the contents of her purse, and then shot her twice in the head. Fearing that Buckner might have survived, Jones and his cohort later returned to the scene and shot her in the face with a shotgun. They then burned the car to cover their tracks. This particular murder occurred five months after Jones killed Forest Hall. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION For additional information and statistics, please go to the Texas Department of Criminal Justice website, www.tdcj.state.tx.us. www.oag.state.tx.us/oagnews/release.php?id=3336
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Post by Kay on May 26, 2010 16:32:22 GMT -6
Does anyone on here actually believe in this crap? I'm an anti and I absolutely believe that's true. And who is to say when someone is "rehabilitated" and worth the risk?
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Post by Kay on May 23, 2010 21:42:49 GMT -6
Eventually they do. Ask the reverand. If that were true, then bad things wouldn't happen to good people, and they do, all the time.
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Post by Kay on May 23, 2010 21:03:04 GMT -6
"Killing isn't right, so why should someone's punishment be more death?" First off , i dont think someone can have "more" death. 1 should be plenty. Secondly , you reap what you sow. Not a new concept, but one that has served humanity quite well for many thousands of years. This little bit of wisdom applies to ALL things. I disagree that people get what they deserve, if you apply that to all aspects of life.
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Post by Kay on May 23, 2010 15:32:43 GMT -6
I see the majority of antis as good-hearted people who feel instead of think. It's a feel-good attitude that doesn't play well in the real world, though. This of course, includes many on the left. Having personally been on the receiving end of support from you, Cali, on several very stressful occasions, I'm not buying that you don't "feel" as well as think. I can accept the premise that you may be better able to compartmentalize your emotions, but you think and feel, like it or not
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Post by Kay on May 21, 2010 17:34:20 GMT -6
Wonderful News! just awesome
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Post by Kay on May 21, 2010 7:32:43 GMT -6
24 years, it took 24 years to execute him, how can this be justice? Rest in peace Krystal, you hadn't even began to live your life.
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Post by Kay on May 16, 2010 17:57:55 GMT -6
I fully understand why people here are furious about this statement. It's disgusting. If he had asked for forgiveness that would be good, in my opinion. But ordering the relatives to forgive? Telling them about the consequences if they don't? It seems he believes because he regretted what he did he will go to heaven but the victim's relatives won't as long as they don't forgive. Quite convenient. Great post Chris, I agree
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Post by Kay on Apr 26, 2010 5:29:35 GMT -6
They have been given death, although many linger for decades. By way of that sentence, they receive a great deal of attention. Your proposal would result in them receiving even more attention, once again diminishing the real victims.
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Post by Kay on Apr 9, 2010 17:22:53 GMT -6
The first murderer I recall hearing about was Richard Speck, I remember hearing how the nurses had hidden and was frightened.
The first execution I recall hearing about was Ruth Ellis, she was put to death the year I was born.
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Post by Kay on Apr 2, 2010 18:59:20 GMT -6
“Drugs involved could have yielded 8200 victims. All the people in this world know the danger of narcotic abuse. If the heroin was exported by the accused and circulated in the community, if each person used one grain there would be 8200 human beings who would become victims.” Judge I Gusti Lanang Duah said, referring to the Bali Nine.
They are victims of choice though, no one is forced to take heroin.
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Post by Kay on Mar 18, 2010 11:10:31 GMT -6
For those of you who do not log into the home page when you visit the site, Charlene has posted a video interview with Stacie's Mom.
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Post by Kay on Mar 13, 2010 9:51:52 GMT -6
In the end we all die and the difference is how we live. No life is more valuable than another and in the end no amount of money or care can save a person. So there is no real value in a human life only in the way we live and criminals and murderers have chosen not to invest in that part of life. Although I oppose the death penalty, I agree with you David. I always think it's tragic that a person chooses to waste their live and wreak havoc in so many others by committing the act of murder. Good post
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Post by Kay on Mar 8, 2010 16:25:34 GMT -6
How very ironic, hospitalize him until he is well, then he can be executed.
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Post by Kay on Feb 26, 2010 19:35:16 GMT -6
What should Lisa Filaggi have done, seems like she did everything she could to protect herself.
"Filiaggi's reign of terror," by Molly Kavanaugh. (Thursday, January 27, 1994)
Plain Dealer Reporter
Last weekend, Lisa Filiaggi and her family celebrated. For six months they had been trying to get proof that Lisa's ex-husband was responsible for repeated vandalism at her Lorain house and her parents' house in Amherst Township. Lisa finally had captured him on videotape vandalizing her house, and police had issued a warrant for his arrest on Friday.
Her sister, Anissa Huff, sent Lisa flowers and a note congratulating her for making the front page of The Morning Journal on Saturday, when it ran a story about the videotaping. Lisa's mother, Jane Yepko, was contacted in Florida, where she was visiting her ailing mother. "The police wanted proof," Yepko said. "We had it."
But the celebration ended Monday night when, police say, Lisa was fatally shot by her ex-husband. James Filiaggi, 28, is wanted by police in connection with Lisa's killing and an attack against her stepfather, Delbert Yepko.
Filiaggi was last seen with some friends Tuesday afternoon in Athens, O., said Lt. Jerry Elgin, a detective in the Athens Police Department. Athens police, who had prior run-ins with Filiaggi at Ohio University's annual Halloween parties in 1988 and 1993, knew him and were watching for him. "But we missed him ... by less than 30 minutes," Elgin said.
Yepko said the police should have picked up Filiaggi on the intimidation warrant prompted by the videotape before Filiaggi read about it in the paper.
But Lorain Capt. Celestino Rivera said the department had 1,300 outstanding warrants and the Friday warrant was probably not even processed until Monday. Rivera said the complaint was a public record, and they are required to release it. Rivera said that Lorain police had only one complaint from Lisa, the one captured on videotape last week. The prosecutor decided to charge Filiaggi with intimidation, a felony, rather than stalking, which is a misdemeanor the first time, Rivera said.
But Yepko said Lorain police and other law enforcement agencies did not take the threats against Lisa and the Yepkos seriously. The incident Lisa videotaped last week followed at least two other incidents at her home, Yepko said. The front picture window of Lisa's house was shattered twice, once by a jar full of used motor oil, the second time by rocks.
Lisa moved the television into another room so her two children would not be harmed and replaced the window with shatterproof plastic. When another bottle was thrown against the window, it didn't shatter, but the video camera recorded Filiaggi throwing the bottle.
Lisa also bought a gun and went to a shooting range to practice. In the past few weeks, Lisa walked around the house with a gun in one hand, a portable phone in the other, her sister said. But when Filiaggi broke down the back door of her house Monday night, police said, Lisa ran out the front door with only the phone in hand.
Last month Filiaggi was charged with assaulting Lisa and her fiance. An Elyria judge issued a protective order, ordering Filiaggi not to have any contact with Lisa. Lorain police were not aware of the order against Filiaggi or the pending charges, Rivera said.
Two domestic violence complaints, one family dispute, one aggravated burglary and four criminal damaging complaints from either Lisa or the Yepkos were investigated by the Lorain County Sheriff's Department since September 1992, soon after Lisa filed for divorce.
But either the family did not pursue charges or the Sheriff's Department had no evidence to link Filiaggi to the complaints, said sheriff's Capt. Joe Bell. "What we got here is the beginning of a divorce process, and things started to heighten," Bell said. "That is not uncommon in a divorce situation."
Bell said that the family never mentioned to detectives that Filiaggi always carried a .357-caliber Magnum pistol. "If they had told officers that, they would have put it in the report. They look at that real seriously," Bell said.
Lisa was pregnant when she and Filiaggi were married in December 1990. She lived in a mobile home next door to her mother while Filiaggi lived in Athens, where he attended Ohio University.
During their 1-year marriage, Lisa's mother would see bruises on her daughter or occasionally hear her talk of Filiaggi's threats, including putting a gun to her head. "She was too afraid to say anything, and she loved him," Yepko said. But she finally decided she had had enough and told him she was leaving in mid-1992. "As soon as they broke up, he was obsessed with her," Huff said. He sprayed tear gas all over her car, ordered magazines and sent them, along with the bill, to her house and retrieved messages from her answering machine, family members said.
Included in Lisa's divorce decree was a restraining order, which has only limited effect. Even if Filiaggi had been found in contempt of court, he would have probably spent less than 30 days in jail, said Lorain County Domestic Relations Judge Joseph Zieba.
Filiaggi was scheduled to appear in Lorain County Domestic Relations Court today on charges related to a property dispute involving the divorce. The reports of Filiaggi's violence had reached the court, said Zieba, and he had arranged to have a police officer in the courtroom. "I assumed we were going to have a problem," Zieba said.
Lisa seemed to assume the worst, too, family members said. She had bought a dress for her wedding in September, but told her fiance if something happened to her, she wanted to be buried in the dress. "What's it going to take for them to believe us," Lisa often said to her family about her frustrations with the police. "One of us dead?"
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Post by Kay on Feb 15, 2010 20:44:53 GMT -6
I predict flying tampons within the next three posts. We haven't seen those in a long time, the bricks either
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Post by Kay on Feb 15, 2010 18:59:50 GMT -6
And, you wonder why I don't answer your 'straight questions'? What I said: I know perfectly well how most MVS feel, and the feelings are absolutely normal under the circumstances, and, in the end, that has nothing to do with support or opposition to DP. First time I asked you a question directly until now. Could be why you don't answer my question's. Matter of fact I do not think I asked any questions here at all even in general. Do you suffer from short term memory loss, Whitediamonds? Here's your question, since you don't seem to remember asking: Why is it "most" MVS feelings are absolutely normal under circumstances as you stated above WW? Of course, that's not what Lynne said in the first place, perhaps, that's why you don't remember posing the question
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Post by Kay on Feb 15, 2010 17:00:00 GMT -6
She said she didn't want support from antis. So, why would I bother offering any up? She's (perhaps) going through a tough time and is asking for pro support. Instead of offering her your support you prefer to jump down my throat. Maybe in your warped world, that is support of her. In mine, it's just you being the nasty person you usually are. You are an idiot if you think that because I argue against the death penalty that means I 'lecture' MVS about how they should feel. I know perfectly well how most MVS feel, and the feelings are absolutely normal under the circumstances, and, in the end, that has nothing to do with support or opposition to DP. Why is it "most" MVS feelings are absolutely normal under circumstances as you stated above WW? She didn't say most MVS feelings are normal, she said she understood perfectly well how most MVS feel, and she feels like that because she is one herself.
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Post by Kay on Feb 15, 2010 13:32:06 GMT -6
I know perfectly well how most MVS feel, and the feelings are absolutely normal under the circumstances, and, in the end, that has nothing to do with support or opposition to DP. I don't know how MVS feel, but I wholeheartedly agree that disagreeing with the death penalty is not lecturing nor telling someone else how they should feel. A person's opinion of the death penalty, does not an entire person make.
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