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Post by justicex84 on Apr 29, 2010 6:13:09 GMT -6
www.capweek.com/stories/042810/spe_626923544.shtml Wednesday, April 28, 2010 Story last updated at 4/28/2010 - 2:44 pm Floyd Dryden Essay: There is no reason for the death penalty By Nika Thompson | Floyd Dryden Student There have been hundreds of studies done about the cost of death penalties and none of them proves that it saves money. Why be responsible for killing someone? Capital punishment has been around in the English colonies since the 1600s. But even then people were against it. Death penalties should be demolished. Revenge should never be the cause of someone's death. The most important point of punishment is that it should fit the crime. But we didn't mean it literally. When someone kills another person, the message we're sending is "You killed one of us, then we'll kill you." That's un-American; forgiveness is the only way to help the criminal. William J. Brennan, former U.S. Supreme court of Justice, said, "Death is not only an unusually severe punishment in pain, but it serves no purpose." In addition, Desmont Tutu once said, "To take a life, when a life has been lost is revenge not justice. Justice means people are treated fair. Is it fair for someone to kill you?" When people kill another person in return, it's revenge, and it's wrong. Killing another person sends the wrong message. Every human is entitled to a second chance in life. Putting someone behind bars is better than just killing them. There is a greater change that they might improve. Killing a murderer does not bring the victim back to life. It achieves nothing but the death of yet another person. How is a person supposed to learn from their mistakes if their life is ending? You're ending a person's learning. They made a mistake, and they might not have realized the effect of their action in society. Sometimes people don't understand the movement that the action will take on the world. Killing is not a deterrent; crime rates have risen, not decreased, since the death penalties became legal. So now the family is victimized and punished when they have to lose their loved ones because the state has murdered them. Usually the families have done nothing wrong. Not only will it affect the person doing the crime, but also the society. There is no reason for the death penalty, it's wrong. Killing isn't right, so why should someone's punishment be more death? It's revenge, not justice. Plus, it's not just affecting the person but the world. Death penalties should be completely removed from every state and country.
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Post by Felix2 on Apr 29, 2010 6:37:25 GMT -6
www.capweek.com/stories/042810/spe_626923544.shtml Wednesday, April 28, 2010 Story last updated at 4/28/2010 - 2:44 pm Floyd Dryden Essay: There is no reason for the death penalty By Nika Thompson | Floyd Dryden Student There have been hundreds of studies done about the cost of death penalties and none of them proves that it saves money. Why be responsible for killing someone? Capital punishment has been around in the English colonies since the 1600s. But even then people were against it. Death penalties should be demolished. Revenge should never be the cause of someone's death. The most important point of punishment is that it should fit the crime. But we didn't mean it literally. When someone kills another person, the message we're sending is "You killed one of us, then we'll kill you." That's un-American; forgiveness is the only way to help the criminal. William J. Brennan, former U.S. Supreme court of Justice, said, "Death is not only an unusually severe punishment in pain, but it serves no purpose." In addition, Desmont Tutu once said, "To take a life, when a life has been lost is revenge not justice. Justice means people are treated fair. Is it fair for someone to kill you?" When people kill another person in return, it's revenge, and it's wrong. Killing another person sends the wrong message. Every human is entitled to a second chance in life. Putting someone behind bars is better than just killing them. There is a greater change that they might improve. Killing a murderer does not bring the victim back to life. It achieves nothing but the death of yet another person. How is a person supposed to learn from their mistakes if their life is ending? You're ending a person's learning. They made a mistake, and they might not have realized the effect of their action in society. Sometimes people don't understand the movement that the action will take on the world. Killing is not a deterrent; crime rates have risen, not decreased, since the death penalties became legal. So now the family is victimized and punished when they have to lose their loved ones because the state has murdered them. Usually the families have done nothing wrong. Not only will it affect the person doing the crime, but also the society. There is no reason for the death penalty, it's wrong. Killing isn't right, so why should someone's punishment be more death? It's revenge, not justice. Plus, it's not just affecting the person but the world. Death penalties should be completely removed from every state and country. To describe the killing/murder of an innocenmt person as a mistake that murderers are entitled to make is bullshyte to be quite frank. Same for saying that when someone kills somebody, they might not know the consequences of their actions insofar as the person being killed will be dead? FFS give me a break. This kind of shyte is being written by a pro spy in the anti movement I take it. Lock the bastards up for life, and I mean LWOP, because these arguements could equally be apllied against LWOP. Not that I think any sane folk in the US or the judiciary would accept them though.
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Post by Californian on Apr 29, 2010 8:12:08 GMT -6
Felix: It's obvious that the author is a student, as the writing is at about the 8th-9th grade level, and quite repetitious.
And there is no LWOP, Felix, and you know it. LWOP could go away at any time at the pleasure of the various courts or legislatures.
Dead, on the other hand, is dead.
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Post by Felix2 on Apr 29, 2010 8:26:14 GMT -6
Felix: It's obvious that the author is a student, as the writing is at about the 8th-9th grade level, and quite repetitious. And there is no LWOP, Felix, and you know it. LWOP could go away at any time at the pleasure of the various courts or legislatures. Dead, on the other hand, is dead. Yes, I know LWOP could go at any time, but that said, its proof that it is within control of the country or State to allow that to happen or not? Perversely in some cases I think the DP provides a relatively easy get out from a life of living with the consequnces of his or her actions.
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Post by Californian on Apr 29, 2010 8:34:24 GMT -6
...Perversely in some cases I think the DP provides a relatively easy get out from a life of living with the consequnces of his or her actions. But if that were so, wouldn't we have a lot fewer appeals and many more "volunteers?" And yet we do not. Res ipsa loquitur.
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Post by Felix2 on Apr 29, 2010 10:00:25 GMT -6
...Perversely in some cases I think the DP provides a relatively easy get out from a life of living with the consequnces of his or her actions. But if that were so, wouldn't we have a lot fewer appeals and many more "volunteers?" And yet we do not. Res ipsa loquitur. You do however have some suicides as also happen in UK jails where there is no death penalty, but yes, I agree that most murderers are cowards when it comes to looking at their own demise.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2010 13:03:03 GMT -6
I think you have got to be pretty stupid to murder someone in a state with the DP, i mean that is like playing Russian Roulette or could even be seen as a suicidal act. Its just a shame that they have to sit in a cell for 10 years before justice is served
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Post by whitediamonds on May 8, 2010 17:30:45 GMT -6
There is a reason for the death penalty.
I could care less which cost more or less, first this is not about money.
There is a time and reason to kill, that applies to many areas of life. DP happens to be one of them.
The most important part of punishment is it should fit the crime, could not have said it better, I agree. We do not execute all murderers, reasons for that we all know.
If it was truly for revenge and revenge only, we would execute all murderers no?
I do not find the DP giving the wrong message.
I find that common sentenced used many times by anti's completely ridiculous. "Killing a murderer does not bring back the victim" Thats an obvious !!!
Crime rates have risen, not decreased ( for murder's?) Not specific there. We are talking murders right? Those who would qualify for DR?
Putting someone behind bars is not in all cases better then executing them.
The family now of the murderer is victimized and punished, they have to lose their loved one murdered by the state?
Yes, sadly they too will lose a loved one it is tragic for them too.
Ironic, one would do that to their own family, guess that is "not" a good "deterrent either", to not murder innocents, anymore then having a DP for it... Sorry, it is their own family member who did that all as well as too them, not the state. Responsibility should not be shifted.
Guess, many think they will not be caught.
Yes, second chances are great for many crimes. Not for those who qualify to reach DR though.
Revenge, is more like disgust to me, sorry there are many good reasons some just need to be executed the best for society and even prison is still a society.
Revenge,place the responsiblity where it belongs. Who was the revengful one in reality? Who lost a life like a theif in the night for no reason? Who terrorized and chose who and how they would die to begin with.
For crimes against mankind of this level, hell with second chances, it's way too late.
So far past the lines who knows what really is in that person as to change to be ever given the opportunity to do again...........including in prison is wrong!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2010 18:08:47 GMT -6
www.capweek.com/stories/042810/spe_626923544.shtml Wednesday, April 28, 2010 Story last updated at 4/28/2010 - 2:44 pm Floyd Dryden Essay: There is no reason for the death penalty By Nika Thompson | Floyd Dryden Student There have been hundreds of studies done about the cost of death penalties and none of them proves that it saves money. Why be responsible for killing someone? Capital punishment has been around in the English colonies since the 1600s. But even then people were against it. Death penalties should be demolished. Revenge should never be the cause of someone's death. The most important point of punishment is that it should fit the crime. But we didn't mean it literally. When someone kills another person, the message we're sending is "You killed one of us, then we'll kill you." That's un-American; forgiveness is the only way to help the criminal. William J. Brennan, former U.S. Supreme court of Justice, said, "Death is not only an unusually severe punishment in pain, but it serves no purpose." In addition, Desmont Tutu once said, "To take a life, when a life has been lost is revenge not justice. Justice means people are treated fair. Is it fair for someone to kill you?" When people kill another person in return, it's revenge, and it's wrong. Killing another person sends the wrong message. Every human is entitled to a second chance in life. Putting someone behind bars is better than just killing them. There is a greater change that they might improve. Killing a murderer does not bring the victim back to life. It achieves nothing but the death of yet another person. How is a person supposed to learn from their mistakes if their life is ending? You're ending a person's learning. They made a mistake, and they might not have realized the effect of their action in society. Sometimes people don't understand the movement that the action will take on the world. Killing is not a deterrent; crime rates have risen, not decreased, since the death penalties became legal. So now the family is victimized and punished when they have to lose their loved ones because the state has murdered them. Usually the families have done nothing wrong. Not only will it affect the person doing the crime, but also the society. There is no reason for the death penalty, it's wrong. Killing isn't right, so why should someone's punishment be more death? It's revenge, not justice. Plus, it's not just affecting the person but the world. Death penalties should be completely removed from every state and country. I think your living in clow cuckoo land love, i have never read so much crap in a long time, what if it was your baby, child, mother, father, gran, grandad etc. I think you may have a different opinion then
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 12:39:59 GMT -6
This article has avoided using the tough arguments that pros can't answer. Whoever wrote it could've done better.
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Post by ltdc on May 22, 2010 19:24:35 GMT -6
This article has avoided using the tough arguments that pros can't answer. such as?
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Post by reapwysow on May 23, 2010 20:58:06 GMT -6
"Killing isn't right, so why should someone's punishment be more death?"
First off , i dont think someone can have "more" death. 1 should be plenty.
Secondly , you reap what you sow. Not a new concept, but one that has served humanity quite well for many thousands of years.
This little bit of wisdom applies to ALL things.
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Post by Kay on May 23, 2010 21:03:04 GMT -6
"Killing isn't right, so why should someone's punishment be more death?" First off , i dont think someone can have "more" death. 1 should be plenty. Secondly , you reap what you sow. Not a new concept, but one that has served humanity quite well for many thousands of years. This little bit of wisdom applies to ALL things. I disagree that people get what they deserve, if you apply that to all aspects of life.
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Post by reapwysow on May 23, 2010 21:36:08 GMT -6
Eventually they do. Ask the reverand.
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Post by Kay on May 23, 2010 21:42:49 GMT -6
Eventually they do. Ask the reverand. If that were true, then bad things wouldn't happen to good people, and they do, all the time.
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