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Post by Kay on Jan 26, 2013 6:28:23 GMT -6
I personally could not choose abortion. My second pregnancy was very difficult and my daughter was born with severe handicaps. We got to love her for 21 months. When faced with an unexpected and unplanned pregnancy, and my history, abortion was something my doctor discussed. I could not make that choice. However, it's not up to me to tell another woman, she should make that same choice. Should another woman be told anything about the other life that she is making a choice for? Should anybody care about the effect of one person's choice on the life of another human being? Is being pro-abortion really about being pro-choice? Of course we should care about the effects of one person's choice on the life of another. I've lost a child and those feelings enable me to empathize with others who have suffered a similar loss. I was blessed to have my daughter for 21 months, but it was a difficult time, she needed constant monitoring and we knew when we took her home, she would not live a long life. I was lucky, I had a stable, loving marriage and financial resources that enabled her to have the best care available, she was in the hospital for almost 4 months after she was born, and several time during her life time. What if I were a single Mom, Donnie, would you adopt a child who you knew was going to live a brief life? Have you adopted children? And if you daughter was raped, and as a result, became pregnant, would you have her carry the pregnancy to term?
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Post by Kay on Jan 25, 2013 21:51:46 GMT -6
Why on earth would you think you have the right to tell another woman she must bear a child? Abortion is not a choice I could make personally, but I DO NOT have license to tell another woman what she should do with her body. When a woman has an abortion she is doing very little to her body compared to what she is having done to the tiny human body that is given no choice. I personally could not choose abortion. My second pregnancy was very difficult and my daughter was born with severe handicaps. We got to love her for 21 months. When faced with an unexpected and unplanned pregnancy, and my history, abortion was something my doctor discussed. I could not make that choice. However, it's not up to me to tell another woman, she should make that same choice.
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Post by Kay on Jan 21, 2013 17:56:33 GMT -6
and when being honest one has to admit that is a choice too - whether to risk their life and continue to carry the baby, or not - so pro choice, and it should, most importantly, remain their own and their doctors' choice, not the government's to me it's also pro-life in choosing an abortion in the early stages where the fetus is not viable anyway, so they can keep on affording to feed and clothe and house the children (perhaps even the ones they already have) I don't know about Australia but decent daycare costs a fortune here. And most homes have both parents working so they can make it these days. in the case of the life of the mother, it is also pro life, and pro any existing children that were already born being able to keep having a mommy... No one should be forced by the law to follow what someone else's preacher proclaims Killing the unborn because because you can't pay for the child care is barbaric. It is putting economics above human life. We punish people for manslaughter for killing the unborn here, on the rationale that the unborn child should be recognised as a seperate human being, but justify abortion on demand because it isn't a seperate human being. You can only choose one. I think one of these days someone is going to try and defend a homicide charge relating to the death of an unborn child by arguing that it is merely a lump of flesh. Next time a woman wants to complain about an unwanted pregnancy then they should talk to someone who can't have children, but desperately want one. Why on earth would you think you have the right to tell another woman she must bear a child? Abortion is not a choice I could make personally, but I DO NOT have license to tell another woman what she should do with her body. Have you adopted unwanted children, participated in foster care for the abused and neglected?
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Post by Kay on Jan 4, 2013 13:01:43 GMT -6
In loving memory of Stephanie Roper, murdered April 3, 1982. Her car broke down and she was kidnapped by Jack Ronald Jones and Jerry Lee Beatty. They took her to an abandoned shack and raped and tortured her. She was killed after one of them used the name of the other, and fearing she could identify them they killed her by hitting her head with an iron chain, shooting her, then to hopefully keep the police from identifying the body they set it on fire after cutting off her hands. These non-humans were given two life sentences. Should have been put to death in my opinion. In October of this year Governor O'Malley had a portion of Route 4 renamed in her honor, and for the efforts of her parents, Vince and Roberta Roper, in championing the cause of victims rights. Stephanie is buried close to my grandfather, so whenever I visit I pay my respects to her as well. Peace to you sweet girl, and those who loved you and have done so much for others.
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Post by Kay on Aug 6, 2012 11:31:39 GMT -6
Since I personally oppose the death penalty, it naturally follows that I support the courts decision.
If you are going to execute retarded murderers, those with a diminished mental capacity, then would it follow that you would also execute children, because they also have limited conceptions of morality and responsibility.
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Post by Kay on Mar 5, 2012 19:31:17 GMT -6
I still can't get my head around why anybody would want to be an execution widow/widower. Attention, plain and simple.
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Post by Kay on Nov 14, 2011 7:43:43 GMT -6
Thank you Cyclone. I don't know if I could trust someone who was banned here. The mods here aren't ban hammer happy and you dont get pinked without good reason. But I have no desire to resurrect any old drama there might have been with Pam, and im sure she's a good egg if folks here are vouching for her. Peace It was a very long time ago, but I can assure you, she was banned for an extreme violation of terms of this board.
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Post by Kay on Oct 14, 2011 5:30:43 GMT -6
Even though they know there is a death penalty in their state.I can state the obvious-wont get caught-etc-ect,when i think of texas for example they execute the most inmates per year,& yet murders keep happening there,I have a hard time wrapping my head around it,just thinking about the death penalty & imagining sitting on death row going through the process its a scary process to say the least.. I can think of three reasons for murder, greed, lust and revenge, can anyone think of more? I thought your question was interesting Porky.
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Post by Kay on Oct 1, 2011 18:31:38 GMT -6
Thanks for an honest answer So killing murderers, in your mind, is a celebratory occasion, justice hard won, achieved after over two decades. To me, and perhaps, it's because of my opposition, I see it as a tragedy, a young man, Officer McPhail, dead, because without a murder, we have no execution. Nothing in my mind to celebrate. It is a hard fought battle, especially in Troy Davis' case where there were so MANY appeals. I am also careful about using named victims when discussing the DP. I do that not out of disregard for the victims, but rather out of respect. See, when I discuss the DP, I am usually promoting an agenda, and it would seem wrong to use the name or image of a particular murder victim to garner emotional sympathy for an agenda that the victim might have opposed. It is thus easier for me to focus more on the murderers than the victims when I post here. Thanks, that makes sense. For me, I unable to separate the victim from the execution, but then I'm not a radical like you
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Post by Kay on Oct 1, 2011 18:08:50 GMT -6
When I was in Huntsville, I was extremely offended by radical antis with bull horns, yelling lies and accusing others, not the condemned, of course, or murder. They were coarsened by their opposition. I would have found it just as offensive, if the pros I were with were chanting "fry the bastard". To me Agaveman, it seems you're gloating, and once again, the murder, and not the victim, is the center of attention. I am gloating. No doubt, antis would have gloated if Davis had been spared. Regardless, what's wrong with gloating over the successful administration of justice? Given that millions of innocent victims died in the Holocaust, were the Allies wrong to dance in the streets and rub it in a bit after defeating the Nazis? Thanks for an honest answer So killing murderers, in your mind, is a celebratory occasion, justice hard won, achieved after over two decades. To me, and perhaps, it's because of my opposition, I see it as a tragedy, a young man, Officer McPhail, dead, because without a murder, we have no execution. Nothing in my mind to celebrate.
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Post by Kay on Oct 1, 2011 16:22:37 GMT -6
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Post by Kay on Oct 1, 2011 16:16:08 GMT -6
Interesting, especially as I like to live the examined life. Can you unpack that a bit with a few more words (doesn't have to be 1000)? It's obvious...Kay needs a shot of "Agave juice." IYKWIMAITYD You think I need to lighten up, hey By the way, dare I ask what IYKWIMAITYD, or do I not want to know.
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Post by Kay on Oct 1, 2011 16:14:46 GMT -6
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Post by Kay on Oct 1, 2011 16:13:12 GMT -6
Here are a few words, not a thousand of course, just a few. The death penalty brutalizes SOME member of society that condone it. Thoughts? Interesting, especially as I like to live the examined life. Can you unpack that a bit with a few more words (doesn't have to be 1000)? When I was in Huntsville, I was extremely offended by radical antis with bull horns, yelling lies and accusing others, not the condemned, of course, or murder. They were coarsened by their opposition. I would have found it just as offensive, if the pros I were with were chanting "fry the bastard". To me Agaveman, it seems you're gloating, and once again, the murder, and not the victim, is the center of attention.
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Post by Kay on Oct 1, 2011 13:32:57 GMT -6
Here are a few words, not a thousand of course, just a few.
The death penalty brutalizes SOME member of society that condone it.
Thoughts?
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Post by Kay on Oct 1, 2011 13:30:44 GMT -6
It makes me think what is wrong with those people in the picture? Yeah, ok. But what's so funny about people being upset that someone they believe is innocent is being executed? Absolutely nothing Mel.
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Post by Kay on Sept 29, 2011 18:01:12 GMT -6
Whitediamonds, Post 23 above was attributed to me, please correct, I never said those words.
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Post by Kay on Sept 29, 2011 17:19:09 GMT -6
And you want to live next door to someone who would do such a thing? Not for me thanks! I don't understand the objection. Such a person would simply be doing his/her job, just like you and me. The job title wouldn't be "rapist" anyway, since consent would not be an issue. I got dibs on naming it. Please feel free, I'd prefer no part in such preposterous position.
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Post by Kay on Sept 29, 2011 17:17:48 GMT -6
And you want to live next door to someone who would do such a thing? Not for me thanks! I'm not sure if she's being serious. She hasn't clarified her position, and her post lacked a smilie, so I'm assuming that is wasn't said in jest.
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Post by Kay on Sept 29, 2011 14:06:09 GMT -6
Do you support hiring professional rapists to rape rapists, in the name of justice? Heck yes, if was a legally licensed Professional by laws of the land I would (will of the people). Of course he would be given directive of who to legally rape, not by random against who he chose by his own will, method and timing. Even if we had a "professional" rapist as you always prefer, he would not ever be licensed to touch a child under 18 I bet by law. And you want to live next door to someone who would do such a thing? Not for me thanks!
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Post by Kay on Jul 6, 2011 19:08:34 GMT -6
Yep, Casey Anthony walked; the prosecution didn't prove their case and just about everyone is mad. This simply does boil down to the prosecution not proving the case. It reminds me of the OJ trial. The state had forever to get it right and still couldn't deliver and the judge in Florida was very strict on the defense throughout the trial. So...either she didn't really do it -or- the state screwed the pooch. Either way the defendant gets a pass. And, just to cheese a few of you off ... I believe double jeopardy applies in this case as well. No do overs if some evidence suddenly comes to light. I know what you are wondering, Joe has gone way off the reservation here. No not really, I read and watched this thing from the beginning. I was very surprised by the verdict. However, I went back and looked and if you read the fine details of the case you will see just how much of the arguments were and were not presented to the jury and that is the big difference. The jury can only decide based on the evidence presented to them, not what is presented in the press. Like it or not that is the way it goes. Personally, I think the State's Attorney needs to polish up that resume and start looking for a new job. Good post, Joe
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Post by Kay on Jul 6, 2011 19:08:10 GMT -6
Come to Colorado Big Al and find this tard.l If you are an officer than this is a pretty weak site. Strength not weakness is what keeps this country together. So take your balls out of your wifes purse, or your boyfriend whatever and face what this site is. Justice through death, there is no middle ground. Accept it, or step down. Your post is equally ridiculous as the ones on the radical anti boards that claim all murderers are innocent.
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Post by Kay on Jun 13, 2011 7:52:48 GMT -6
Agaveman is correct, this is not Bryan's brother.
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Post by Kay on Jun 1, 2011 7:09:24 GMT -6
The judge has signed the orders - the execution date is set for Tuesday 9/13/2011. Now just hoping it holds, and justice is carried out for Bethena and Ron and Beau. I wish you the necessary strength for all that's coming up, Janet. We might disagree on this particular issue but I admire you a lot. Ditto Chris, except love gets added to admire
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Post by Kay on May 30, 2011 7:52:46 GMT -6
Well, before the law existed there was no such thing as murder. So it couldn't have been morally wrong. So (a) makes no sense. So the moral motivation for originally writing a law prohibiting murder must have been (b). I don't know. That's only true if you believe that the only authority to define what constitutes murder is the law. When no law exists, there might be other authorities to define this, like philosophical or theological works. After all, I hope we both agree that if our respective countries legalized murder, we both would still oppose committing the act on moral grounds. It's a rare case that the law defines the morale, mostly the morale "gives birth" to a law. Perhaps, we created the law out of self interest, after all no one wants to be murdered, just as no one wants their possessions stolen?
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Post by Kay on May 10, 2011 20:38:52 GMT -6
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Post by Kay on Mar 26, 2011 8:04:46 GMT -6
100% of pros are willing to risk the execution of innocents. It is by definition of their position. 100% of peanut farmers are willing to risk the deaths of innocent children. It is by definition of their positions. More innocent children have died from peanuts every year than innocents have ever been executed. It's most likely impossible, to stop accidental choking, however, executing innocents is 100 per cent preventable.
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Post by Kay on Feb 26, 2011 7:02:40 GMT -6
it's not the worst place to get info, but, it certainly cannot be called unbiased. he does a fairly decent job of presenting facts, BUT, he wants to muddy the water with totally irrelevant bs. anything that isn't admissable evidence in court simply does NOT matter So are you saying here, that if all the evidence had been presented, Garrett would NOT have been executed? After reading the link that Lynne, posted, I believe he was not guilty of the murder.
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Post by Kay on Feb 25, 2011 19:12:07 GMT -6
Thank you Sweetheart
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Post by Kay on Feb 25, 2011 9:14:07 GMT -6
As there is a disparity in this case, I'm off to read and find out more about this execution. Does someone have an unbiased link?
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