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Post by Leah on Jul 12, 2010 13:54:54 GMT -6
If lethal injection is cruel and unusual, then how come terminally ill patients in Europe are opting for this instead of chemotherapy and suffering? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_machineThey use the same chemicals for euthanasia for those who chose to end their lives due to terminal illnesses. Leah
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Jul 12, 2010 14:36:23 GMT -6
Those ill patients want a cruel death obviously
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Post by Californian on Jul 12, 2010 16:36:48 GMT -6
If lethal injection is cruel and unusual, then how come terminally ill patients in Europe are opting for this instead of chemotherapy and suffering? Because such allegations are anti bull$hit.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Jul 12, 2010 16:45:33 GMT -6
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Post by Leah on Jul 13, 2010 15:34:17 GMT -6
Here is a good video clip that I saw on the National Geographic website that was discussed earlier: channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/explorer/4082/Overview4#tab-Videos/06917_00I support lethal injection as a method, except there was one problem when a needle sprang a leak shooting lethal chemicals around the room toward witnesses. Eventhough this seldom happens, I wonder if lethal injection technicians should take a 3 day course and be certified as a prevention method. Leah
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Post by nate on Jul 18, 2010 19:35:56 GMT -6
Matters little dead is dead....
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Post by Californian on Jul 18, 2010 20:36:59 GMT -6
I support lethal injection as a method, except there was one problem when a needle sprang a leak shooting lethal chemicals around the room toward witnesses. Eventhough this seldom happens, I wonder if lethal injection technicians should take a 3 day course and be certified as a prevention method. Leah I'd be willing to bet a considerable sum that there is more training than that. Any reasonably-skilled paramedic or nurse could do it in his or her sleep. In fact, I could do it easily, as I was trained to do so during my Navy tour.
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Post by Grey on Jul 18, 2010 21:07:53 GMT -6
Here is a good video clip that I saw on the National Geographic website that was discussed earlier: channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/explorer/4082/Overview4#tab-Videos/06917_00I support lethal injection as a method, except there was one problem when a needle sprang a leak shooting lethal chemicals around the room toward witnesses. Eventhough this seldom happens, I wonder if lethal injection technicians should take a 3 day course and be certified as a prevention method. Leah aren't witnesses protected by a glass wall anyhow?
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Post by D.E.E. on Jul 18, 2010 21:27:03 GMT -6
Here is a good video clip that I saw on the National Geographic website that was discussed earlier: channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/explorer/4082/Overview4#tab-Videos/06917_00I support lethal injection as a method, except there was one problem when a needle sprang a leak shooting lethal chemicals around the room toward witnesses. Eventhough this seldom happens, I wonder if lethal injection technicians should take a 3 day course and be certified as a prevention method. Leah aren't witnesses protected by a glass wall anyhow? They are in Texas, and I think the curtin is closed until they have the needle in place.
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Post by Californian on Jul 18, 2010 21:45:42 GMT -6
aren't witnesses protected by a glass wall anyhow? The problem with such an IV failure would not be spraying the execution team or witnesses with the chemicals-they're not lethal or even dangerous absent injection-but rather that the dosages would be hard to determine because it would be uncertain how much leaked out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2010 2:21:56 GMT -6
I don't know but I doubt that many antis would privately consider lethal injection to be particularly cruel. The arguments about whether or not the condemned feels pain are more a way to get rid of this method of execution than a doubt over it's humanity. Whatever method is used will always attract attention and effort to show that it isn't very nice for the condemned and thus should be replaced or even better removed.
I suppose it's the most effective way to get rid of the DP, take away any methods used until one can't be found that's agreed to be completely humane and thus the DP is in effect removed even if it's still an option under law.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Jul 20, 2010 3:29:58 GMT -6
'Whatever method is used will always attract attention and effort to show that it isn't very nice for the condemned' Too bad huh? Such scummy lovely inmates
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Post by Leah on Jul 20, 2010 15:37:17 GMT -6
aren't witnesses protected by a glass wall anyhow? The problem with such an IV failure would not be spraying the execution team or witnesses with the chemicals-they're not lethal or even dangerous absent injection-but rather that the dosages would be hard to determine because it would be uncertain how much leaked out. And, how much was wasted and the cost of a new supply. However, it is still better than no execution at all. Leah
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Post by nate on Aug 2, 2010 5:41:39 GMT -6
Wow,Leah are you ever blood-thirsty. Poor child....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2010 1:12:49 GMT -6
Wow,Leah are you ever blood-thirsty. Poor child.... Leah is right! A bullet or a rope is so much cheaper and a rope can be used again! Why spend any more than absolutely needed on the condemned after all the appeals have bled us dry?
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Aug 5, 2010 13:20:38 GMT -6
The only reason why people say that lethal injection is cruel and unusual is because they don't want to be executed and they figure by pulling that card, they can delay the inevitable.
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Post by nate on Aug 9, 2010 7:55:10 GMT -6
Its actually all the man power that is used in the legal process that cost money. The actual execution materials are all cheap. Its paying someone to PERFORM the execution.....lol Hey Leah ,maybe you could offer to do it for free? Sounds like you might get off on killing a helpless prisoner. Good Luck.
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Post by ltdc on Aug 9, 2010 11:07:41 GMT -6
killing a helpless prisoner. you say that like it's a bad thing
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Post by halflife1052 on Aug 9, 2010 17:52:19 GMT -6
Its actually all the man power that is used in the legal process that cost money. The actual execution materials are all cheap. Its paying someone to PERFORM the execution.....lol Hey Leah ,maybe you could offer to do it for free? Sounds like you might get off on killing a helpless prisoner. Good Luck. I suppose that you could call someone capable of murder helpless. Me , I look at it as he put himself there by putting some innocent in the same position that the murderer is enjoying at that moment. As far as I am concerned the results should be the same.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 2:18:25 GMT -6
Its actually all the man power that is used in the legal process that cost money. The actual execution materials are all cheap. Its paying someone to PERFORM the execution.....lol Hey Leah ,maybe you could offer to do it for free? Sounds like you might get off on killing a helpless prisoner. Good Luck. I suppose that you could call someone capable of murder helpless. Me , I look at it as he put himself there by putting some innocent in the same position that the murderer is enjoying at that moment. As far as I am concerned the results should be the same. I'm from Tucson and we recently had three guys escape, two murderers and one atempted murderer. Thanks to this escape we have AT LEAST two people in New Mexico dead! Need another reason for the death penalty?
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Post by nate on Aug 10, 2010 8:40:59 GMT -6
killing a helpless prisoner. you say that like it's a bad thing -Of course any human being with a soul would.
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Post by fuglyville on Aug 10, 2010 14:35:02 GMT -6
I suppose that you could call someone capable of murder helpless. Me , I look at it as he put himself there by putting some innocent in the same position that the murderer is enjoying at that moment. As far as I am concerned the results should be the same. I'm from Tucson and we recently had three guys escape, two murderers and one atempted murderer. Thanks to this escape we have AT LEAST two people in New Mexico dead! Need another reason for the death penalty? If inmates escape, the state has failed in their duty to provide a safe, dignified and controlled environment for the inmates, and their duty to protect the outside world. Thus - this is no argument for the death penalty; it's rather an argument for improved security routines, better perimeter security etc. The fact that someone should be fired and stuff improved for this, is obvious - but killing people is never of any use to anyone.
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Post by whitediamonds on Aug 10, 2010 14:51:44 GMT -6
I'm from Tucson and we recently had three guys escape, two murderers and one atempted murderer. Thanks to this escape we have AT LEAST two people in New Mexico dead! Need another reason for the death penalty? If inmates escape, the state has failed in their duty to provide a safe, dignified and controlled environment for the inmates, and their duty to protect the outside world. Thus - this is no argument for the death penalty; it's rather an argument for improved security routines, better perimeter security etc. The fact that someone should be fired and stuff improved for this, is obvious - but killing people is never of any use to anyone. Ok so it's always someone else's fault, so many die due to "a" murderer no matter where or how. The org vicitms before caught, the ones they kill inside while incarcerated, the ones who escape and kill again, the paroled who kill again. Ok no reason for the DP right!!! The blame goes to all but the killer yet again !!!! So do not leave any of this above back the DP for some who are so dangerous to all. Right !!!
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Aug 10, 2010 15:03:39 GMT -6
I'm from Tucson and we recently had three guys escape, two murderers and one atempted murderer. Thanks to this escape we have AT LEAST two people in New Mexico dead! Need another reason for the death penalty? If inmates escape, the state has failed in their duty to provide a safe, dignified and controlled environment for the inmates, and their duty to protect the outside world. Thus - this is no argument for the death penalty; it's rather an argument for improved security routines, better perimeter security etc. The fact that someone should be fired and stuff improved for this, is obvious - but killing people is never of any use to anyone. You fro pto by any chance?
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Post by ltdc on Aug 10, 2010 15:13:13 GMT -6
you say that like it's a bad thing -Of course any human being with a soul would. so you don't like helpless, OK. I guess you would prefer a head start. what? 50 yards? a hundred?
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Post by D.E.E. on Aug 10, 2010 17:01:21 GMT -6
I'm from Tucson and we recently had three guys escape, two murderers and one atempted murderer. Thanks to this escape we have AT LEAST two people in New Mexico dead! Need another reason for the death penalty? If inmates escape, the state has failed in their duty to provide a safe, dignified and controlled environment for the inmates, and their duty to protect the outside world. Thus - this is no argument for the death penalty; it's rather an argument for improved security routines, better perimeter security etc. The fact that someone should be fired and stuff improved for this, is obvious - but killing people is never of any use to anyone. It is obvious you know nothing about prison. I will agree that the State failed in its duty, but not that someone should be fired until I know how the inmates escaped. You might want your state to pony up a lot more money for those improvements you mention. I am forced to carry a S&W .357 mag with 6 rounds when on transport, if a family member tries to intervene bet you a lot of money they are better armed. I would of course kill the inmate first then attempt to fight the family members, they are not going to take a prisoner from me if I can help it. I do not care if they have a dignified environment only if it is a safe one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 17:39:42 GMT -6
I'm from Tucson and we recently had three guys escape, two murderers and one atempted murderer. Thanks to this escape we have AT LEAST two people in New Mexico dead! Need another reason for the death penalty? If inmates escape, the state has failed in their duty to provide a safe, dignified and controlled environment for the inmates, and their duty to protect the outside world. Thus - this is no argument for the death penalty; it's rather an argument for improved security routines, better perimeter security etc. The fact that someone should be fired and stuff improved for this, is obvious - but killing people is never of any use to anyone. OMG!! Are you for real?? Why don't you tell "killing people is never the answer" to your very special friends the MURDERERS. It appears that they have no problem with killing people. Just wanted to point that out.
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Post by Stormyweather on Aug 10, 2010 17:44:32 GMT -6
I'm from Tucson and we recently had three guys escape, two murderers and one atempted murderer. Thanks to this escape we have AT LEAST two people in New Mexico dead! Need another reason for the death penalty? If inmates escape, the state has failed in their duty to provide a safe, dignified and controlled environment for the inmates, and their duty to protect the outside world. Thus - this is no argument for the death penalty; it's rather an argument for improved security routines, better perimeter security etc. The fact that someone should be fired and stuff improved for this, is obvious - but killing people is never of any use to anyone. And keeping them in a controlled environment hardly seems loving and compassionate and certainly not forgiving. I think they need to feel as if we can trust them.
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Post by Stormyweather on Aug 10, 2010 17:52:35 GMT -6
I'm from Tucson and we recently had three guys escape, two murderers and one atempted murderer. Thanks to this escape we have AT LEAST two people in New Mexico dead! Need another reason for the death penalty? If inmates escape, the state has failed in their duty to provide a safe, dignified and controlled environment for the inmates, and their duty to protect the outside world. Thus - this is no argument for the death penalty; it's rather an argument for improved security routines, better perimeter security etc. The fact that someone should be fired and stuff improved for this, is obvious - but killing people is never of any use to anyone. Tell that to the escaped murderers. At least one guy is still on the loose with his cousin/girlfriend. They think they are Bonnie an Clyde. They might be in Canada so why don't you go reason with them.
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Post by Stormyweather on Aug 10, 2010 17:54:50 GMT -6
If inmates escape, the state has failed in their duty to provide a safe, dignified and controlled environment for the inmates, and their duty to protect the outside world. Thus - this is no argument for the death penalty; it's rather an argument for improved security routines, better perimeter security etc. The fact that someone should be fired and stuff improved for this, is obvious - but killing people is never of any use to anyone. OMG!! Are you for real?? Why don't you tell "killing people is never the answer" to your very special friends the MURDERERS. It appears that they have no problem with killing people. Just wanted to point that out. That is different, they are misunderstood people who made a "mistake". (sarcasm)
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