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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 13:36:21 GMT -6
Hello There , its been a while since i posted ......... John Venables was convicted of kiodnapping and murdering James Bulger along with his accomplice when they were just 12 years old . James Bulger was tortured , beaten and murdered and placed on a railway track to make it look as if the child had been hit by a train . The two boys spent a small time in jail , then were given new identities , and relocated . Since release Venables has become a drug addict , alcoholic and now been convicted of downloading kiddie porn , when he gets out of jail it will cost around £250,000 to relocate him and provide him once more with a new identity . If the pair of these boys had been jailed till 21 yrs old then hanged , it would have saved the taxpayer , the police , the mother of the murdered child , and just about everyone the hassle , that this little POS has caused . The most disgusting crime has been comitted and almost been rewarded , but woe betide you if you get caught speeding , or perhaps some other paltry crime that the UK deems evil . I wish we had the DP like the USA . And then this scum that walks the earth would walk it no more . J
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 17:21:56 GMT -6
The scum would still walk the earth in the United States. They were under 18 years of age and therefore might have received the DP(highly unlikey) but it would have been reversed.
Wow, there was another person from the UK that brought up this case up a lot. Do you know her? Of course she said that James Bulger's mom was partly to blame because she was a chain smoker.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 26, 2010 17:58:38 GMT -6
Hello There , its been a while since i posted ......... John Venables was convicted of kiodnapping and murdering James Bulger along with his accomplice when they were just 12 years old . James Bulger was tortured , beaten and murdered and placed on a railway track to make it look as if the child had been hit by a train . The two boys spent a small time in jail , then were given new identities , and relocated . Since release Venables has become a drug addict , alcoholic and now been convicted of downloading kiddie porn , when he gets out of jail it will cost around £250,000 to relocate him and provide him once more with a new identity . If the pair of these boys had been jailed till 21 yrs old then hanged , it would have saved the taxpayer , the police , the mother of the murdered child , and just about everyone the hassle , that this little POS has caused . The most disgusting crime has been comitted and almost been rewarded , but woe betide you if you get caught speeding , or perhaps some other paltry crime that the UK deems evil . I wish we had the DP like the USA . And then this scum that walks the earth would walk it no more . J Hey they only torchered, kidnapped, beat and murdered so hey what the heck, we all make slight errors and choices here and there like that growing up. How moral and forgiving and non judgemental to even go so far as to for the second time give a new identity so they do not suffer any from those errors. They had bad childhoods I am sure. I guess I understand why they chose James Bulger, he probably had no business being where he was and his mother chained smoked, so it all makes sense now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 18:06:16 GMT -6
Sorry, whitediamond. I hope you realize that I was being sarcastic. I in no way think chain smoking is a reason to have your child murdered. Up until last year I smoked daily. I have been a non smoker for well over a year now but I still dream of smoking. Hopefull I remain a nonsmoker but time is the only thing that will tell that.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 26, 2010 18:09:36 GMT -6
Sorry, whitediamond. I hope you realize that I was being sarcastic. I in no way think chain smoking is a reason to have your child murdered. Up until last year I smoked daily. I have been a non smoker for well over a year now but I still dream of smoking. Hopefull I remain a nonsmoker but time is the only thing that will tell that. I know you were being sarcastic, greggsmom, My whole post was sarcastic, I just borrowed your smoking remark, I liked it.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Jul 27, 2010 1:23:16 GMT -6
As Greggsmom said, these two, Venables & Thompson would never have got the DP as they were too young. I was hoping they would rot in jail tho and not see the light of day again. How anyone could lay blame on Denise Bulger...well thats just crazy.
Greggsmom - well done for the smokless year. I quit 6 years ago and still get the odd smoking dream.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2010 13:15:20 GMT -6
Hi there , thanks for replying . These little scumbags should have rotted in jail for their natural lives . Better still they should have been kept in jail till 21 yrs old and then hung . But of course we as society are responsible for those two , all those nasty films , comic books video games .....yadda yadda JL P.S love the chain smoking comment -made me smile pps couldnt remember the other scumbags name
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2010 16:12:10 GMT -6
The new identity of killer Jon Venables must be kept secret because of the "compelling evidence" of a threat to his safety, a judge has said. Mr Justice Bean ruled that "unpopular" defendants had as much right to protection from retribution as anyone else. Venables, one of the killers of toddler James Bulger, was jailed for two years last week after admitting child pornography offences. The Old Bailey heard that he was still receiving death threats after he and Robert Thompson, both aged 10, battered and murdered two-year-old James in 1993. More News Coroner fears more rail accidents Jobs must accompany benefit reform 22 killers at large despite recall UK troops squeeze Helmand militants Woman retells daughter's death call
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Both were jailed for life the following year before being released on licence in 2001, when they were given new names and wide-ranging legal restrictions were put in place to prevent anyone finding them out. Mr Justice Bean decided last week to continue the restrictions - although he allowed the media to report that Venables had been living in Cheshire prior to being recalled to custody for the new crimes. Giving his reasons on Friday, the judge said: "There is understandable and legitimate public interest in the fact that one of James Bulger's killers has now been convicted of child pornography offences. "But there is no legitimate public interest in knowing his appearance, his location in custody or the exact location at which he was arrested and to which he might return on the event of being released." He added: "It is a fundamental duty of the state to ensure that suspects, defendants and prisoners are protected from violence and not subjected to retribution or punishment except in accordance with the sentence of a court. "That principle applies just as much to unpopular
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Jul 30, 2010 16:47:26 GMT -6
The frightening things is I wonder what Thompson is up to now
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Post by reapwysow on Jul 30, 2010 17:04:56 GMT -6
He will eventually hurt another child. I wonder which of the law makers who let him out will want to take responsibility for it? Thompson already knows that he will not have to.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Aug 5, 2010 13:46:25 GMT -6
They should have been locked up in prison the first place and never had a chance to get out. Now when they murder child, the blood will be on the justice system that let them walk.
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Post by gillypod on Aug 6, 2010 5:58:30 GMT -6
Welcome to the UK - rob a train you will get 30 years. Kill a child and we will let you out after a few years, give you money for a new life - and give you a whole new identity. If you were really good in prison we will settle you abroad too.
God Bless my Country - (sarcasm alert)
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Post by socasack on Aug 6, 2010 17:12:05 GMT -6
Funny how they get new identities. Here in the US they would be placed on Megan's List and their name, address and crimes are posted on the internet as well as flyers and handed out to everyone in the neighborhood.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Aug 7, 2010 2:27:50 GMT -6
Funny how they get new identities. Here in the US they would be placed on Megan's List and their name, address and crimes are posted on the internet as well as flyers and handed out to everyone in the neighborhood. This is because you are a bunch of barbarians and we in the UK are civilized and our justice system is the worst greatest ever
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Post by tru2slf on Aug 7, 2010 7:37:15 GMT -6
What truly disturbs me about this is that the saftey of the guilty convicted are protected to such a HUGE extent while the innocent, who had done nothing to deserve their fate, are left to fend for themselves. I would NEVER condone vigilante justice, but this case is just another example that helps me understand the reasoning of why some people do it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2010 14:27:22 GMT -6
Sorry folks, I do not agree with murdering children or killing adults for crimes the commit as children. I agree that perhaps they should never have been released, but I'm morally opposed to the rest of it.
If you do give them a death sentence, but inform them they will not be executed until they are 18 or 21, is that really okay by you? Do you believe teling a child they will be executed in x number of years is right?
I am not by any means an 'anti' - but this I find morally repugnant.
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Post by josephdphillips on Aug 12, 2010 15:25:49 GMT -6
Sorry folks, I do not agree with murdering children or killing adults for crimes the commit as children. I agree that perhaps they should never have been released, but I'm morally opposed to the rest of it. If you do give them a death sentence, but inform them they will not be executed until they are 18 or 21, is that really okay by you? Do you believe teling a child they will be executed in x number of years is right? I am not by any means an 'anti' - but this I find morally repugnant. A murderer is a murderer, regardless of age.
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Post by gillypod on Aug 13, 2010 8:39:06 GMT -6
Sorry folks, I do not agree with murdering children or killing adults for crimes the commit as children. I agree that perhaps they should never have been released, but I'm morally opposed to the rest of it. If you do give them a death sentence, but inform them they will not be executed until they are 18 or 21, is that really okay by you? Do you believe teling a child they will be executed in x number of years is right? I am not by any means an 'anti' - but this I find morally repugnant. But would you let them out after a few years and give them money, a new identity and protection from the British Press? Maybe 10 year old children do not understand what they are doing, but I don't believe it. I was 10 years old myself once, and I am quite sure I knew that I should not kill a human being. I'm sure all our other members are of the same mind.
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Post by brumsongs on Aug 18, 2010 16:51:18 GMT -6
Anybody who supports the execution of children is one sick puppy. It still shocks me that honourable pros let this slide from weirdos who have learned to cloak their sick fantasies in faux outrage on behalf of victims. Creepy and pathetic.
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Post by johnnyrep on Aug 25, 2010 4:57:49 GMT -6
They always go quiet after a post like that. I wonder why?
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Post by Felix2 on Aug 25, 2010 5:49:37 GMT -6
Sorry folks, I do not agree with murdering children or killing adults for crimes the commit as children. I agree that perhaps they should never have been released, but I'm morally opposed to the rest of it. If you do give them a death sentence, but inform them they will not be executed until they are 18 or 21, is that really okay by you? Do you believe teling a child they will be executed in x number of years is right? I am not by any means an 'anti' - but this I find morally repugnant. A murderer is a murderer, regardless of age. Maybe, but the intelligent amongst us on both sides of the arguement recognise that having the status of a child ought to directly influence whether the murderer is Killed.
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Post by Felix2 on Aug 25, 2010 5:51:04 GMT -6
Anybody who supports the execution of children is one sick puppy. It still shocks me that honourable pros let this slide from weirdos who have learned to cloak their sick fantasies in faux outrage on behalf of victims. Creepy and pathetic. I believe Philips once had a job in a mortuary, it all kinds fits really.
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Aug 25, 2010 8:21:30 GMT -6
OK, first off I had a job in a mortuary when I was 17 and there's nothing wrong with me actually I thought of pursuing it as a career after HS. But I digress. It is a fine line to walk, at what age do we decide that you can be put to death for murder. I have a problem with the age being drawn at 17. If you commit the crime before your 18th birthday then you are OK. These two were very young at 12, but the crime itself was very brutal and horrific. If not the DP, then these two should not see the light of day again. How can you rehabilitate this type of depravity? I am no expert, but how can that 12 year old ever be considered normal enough the be returned to society? It makes no sense to return them to the unsuspecting population AND if they kill again then we can fry them.
It is a dilemma, but I think that they have not paid their debt and were released too early if they should have been released at all.
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Post by Felix2 on Aug 25, 2010 9:09:51 GMT -6
OK, first off I had a job in a mortuary when I was 17 and there's nothing wrong with me actually I thought of pursuing it as a career after HS. But I digress. It is a fine line to walk, at what age do we decide that you can be put to death for murder. I have a problem with the age being drawn at 17. If you commit the crime before your 18th birthday then you are OK. These two were very young at 12, but the crime itself was very brutal and horrific. If not the DP, then these two should not see the light of day again. How can you rehabilitate this type of depravity? I am no expert, but how can that 12 year old ever be considered normal enough the be returned to society? It makes no sense to return them to the unsuspecting population AND if they kill again then we can fry them. It is a dilemma, but I think that they have not paid their debt and were released too early if they should have been released at all. I absolutely agree, there is nothing wrong with having a job in a mortuary. My comments were not directed in any way or form towards morticians in general.
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Post by Stormyweather on Aug 25, 2010 9:41:22 GMT -6
OK, first off I had a job in a mortuary when I was 17 and there's nothing wrong with me actually I thought of pursuing it as a career after HS. But I digress. It is a fine line to walk, at what age do we decide that you can be put to death for murder. I have a problem with the age being drawn at 17. If you commit the crime before your 18th birthday then you are OK. These two were very young at 12, but the crime itself was very brutal and horrific. If not the DP, then these two should not see the light of day again. How can you rehabilitate this type of depravity? I am no expert, but how can that 12 year old ever be considered normal enough the be returned to society? It makes no sense to return them to the unsuspecting population AND if they kill again then we can fry them. It is a dilemma, but I think that they have not paid their debt and were released too early if they should have been released at all. I absolutely agree, there is nothing wrong with having a job in a mortuary. My comments were not directed in any way or form towards morticians in general. I don't think Joe P. is a mortician.
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Post by imzadi on Aug 26, 2010 10:28:54 GMT -6
The scum would still walk the earth in the United States. They were under 18 years of age and therefore might have received the DP(highly unlikey) but it would have been reversed. Wow, there was another person from the UK that brought up this case up a lot. Do you know her? Of course she said that James Bulger's mom was partly to blame because she was a chain smoker. NO I did NOT say that I said She should have kept a CLOSE eye on her 2 year old boy in a shopping centre. She allowed him to walk out a shop alone and it must have been for some significant time (a minite or two) and that is ALL it takes. Heck I had twins and they were NEVER away from me (or another family member -Adult) when we were out I remember it was not always easy but I had little walking harnesses that I used when they were out of ther buggy. Chain smoking has nothing to do with it-I did not know she was one. BTW the boy were JUST 10 not 12 at the time By the way Hello again I'm Back
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 12:21:45 GMT -6
The scum would still walk the earth in the United States. They were under 18 years of age and therefore might have received the DP(highly unlikey) but it would have been reversed. Wow, there was another person from the UK that brought up this case up a lot. Do you know her? Of course she said that James Bulger's mom was partly to blame because she was a chain smoker. NO I did NOT say that I said She should have kept a CLOSE eye on her 2 year old boy in a shopping centre. She allowed him to walk out a shop alone and it must have been for some significant time (a minite or two) and that is ALL it takes. Heck I had twins and they were NEVER away from me (or another family member -Adult) when we were out I remember it was not always easy but I had little walking harnesses that I used when they were out of ther buggy. Chain smoking has nothing to do with it-I did not know she was one. BTW the boy were JUST 10 not 12 at the time By the way Hello again I'm Back Where does it say that you said it? Where? I will go back and find the thread it may take awhile but lets see what we find. Well aren't you just the perfect mother..NOT GEEZ WHIZ AND HECK yourself. I took my grandkids school shopping and they got away from me a couple of times and believe me I am one of the most careful people in the world. I will not put my grandchildren on a leash. I think that is cruel, embarsssing and downright slavelike. So get over yourself Imcrazy. BTW, what proof do you haver that your kids were never out of your sight?? Because you say so. Big Deal.. So what the boys were 10 and 12 the poor little slaughtered, mutilated, sexually abused boy was only 2. I must correct this. I don't know if little Jamie was sexually abused, this might have been another case here in the states that a 13 year old by the name of Eric I think murdered a 4 year old boy by the name of Derick(maybe, not sure). I remember something about the little boy being sodomized with a stick. So you're back.. Anyone here really care??
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Aug 26, 2010 12:49:52 GMT -6
OK, first off I had a job in a mortuary when I was 17 and there's nothing wrong with me actually I thought of pursuing it as a career after HS. But I digress. It is a fine line to walk, at what age do we decide that you can be put to death for murder. I have a problem with the age being drawn at 17. If you commit the crime before your 18th birthday then you are OK. These two were very young at 12, but the crime itself was very brutal and horrific. If not the DP, then these two should not see the light of day again. How can you rehabilitate this type of depravity? I am no expert, but how can that 12 year old ever be considered normal enough the be returned to society? It makes no sense to return them to the unsuspecting population AND if they kill again then we can fry them. It is a dilemma, but I think that they have not paid their debt and were released too early if they should have been released at all. I absolutely agree, there is nothing wrong with having a job in a mortuary. My comments were not directed in any way or form towards morticians in general. Felix are you OK? Do you have a fever are you feeling out of sorts? I give you a perfect slam dunk option and you defer?!? Dude, are you OK - really I am concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 17:22:42 GMT -6
The scum would still walk the earth in the United States. They were under 18 years of age and therefore might have received the DP(highly unlikey) but it would have been reversed. Wow, there was another person from the UK that brought up this case up a lot. Do you know her? Of course she said that James Bulger's mom was partly to blame because she was a chain smoker. NO I did NOT say that I said She should have kept a CLOSE eye on her 2 year old boy in a shopping centre. She allowed him to walk out a shop alone and it must have been for some significant time (a minite or two) and that is ALL it takes. Heck I had twins and they were NEVER away from me (or another family member -Adult) when we were out I remember it was not always easy but I had little walking harnesses that I used when they were out of ther buggy. Chain smoking has nothing to do with it-I did not know she was one. BTW the boy were JUST 10 not 12 at the time By the way Hello again I'm Back What do you mean you did not know she was a chain smoker. So were you lying THEN in post #3 here, posting as Theresa (your prior handle here): prodp.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=04&action=display&thread=11148or are you lying now?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 17:24:11 GMT -6
NO I did NOT say that I said She should have kept a CLOSE eye on her 2 year old boy in a shopping centre. She allowed him to walk out a shop alone and it must have been for some significant time (a minite or two) and that is ALL it takes. Heck I had twins and they were NEVER away from me (or another family member -Adult) when we were out I remember it was not always easy but I had little walking harnesses that I used when they were out of ther buggy. Chain smoking has nothing to do with it-I did not know she was one. BTW the boy were JUST 10 not 12 at the time By the way Hello again I'm Back What do you mean you did not know she was a chain smoker. So were you lying THEN in post #3 here, posting as Theresa (your prior handle here): prodp.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=04&action=display&thread=11148or are you lying now? Thank you so much JBS. I wish we still had those little guys that bowed as if to say, I'm not worthy
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