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Post by fuglyville on Oct 9, 2015 8:08:00 GMT -6
Is Norway a country? Where is it located? West of Sweden, east of the Atlantic Ocean and above Denmark - Northern Europe-ish
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 9, 2015 8:05:02 GMT -6
Actually Fugey I never expect everyone to agree, I welcome discussion, the facts of the serial killers actions speak for themselves. That is opposed to adp like you, who delete posts and lie about being a surviving family victim. But I welcome your opinion, however ignorant and silly it is. I witnessed an execution, saw Justice upfront. It works, and I'm proud we have the DP in this great nation. You claim the death penalty works - but how? It doesn't seem to deter murderers, which is - I'd say - the only thing it might possibly be good for. If you have evidence for something else, do let me know.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 9, 2015 4:44:27 GMT -6
Here is the biggest question of all on this thread.... WHY DOES FUGLY WANT THE NAMES OF THE EXECUTIONERS? She/he is a resident of Norway or so he/she says. IOW, None of his/her dam business. Then you have to ask why would he/she want this information?? Could it be to do to the executioner and his family that other supposedly well meaning antis have done to the victims' families? Does anyone else remember what has happened to some of the MVSs that were posting here when the execution of the murderers of their loved was was nearing? Makes me think that any information will be used for more manipulations and lies. Oh, it's good to have you back - I've missed our discussions
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 9, 2015 4:43:03 GMT -6
Get over it Benard, cry all you want, not happening, too bad, common sense. Serial killer have forfeited their rights when they committ murder and the death penalty will continue, and the reversal of liberal judges overturning the law will start, beginning with Kansas. Defending the right of serial killers to get more rec time and not face Justice won't work. So raise your AK 47 high! The death penalty is Justice, and it works. Justice, that's the American way, like it or not Benard. That's your conception of justice, and you have every right to stand for it - but don't expect everyone else to agree. There are people who defend the "fact" that the death penalty works, just as there are people who defend the "fact" of a flat earth - but luckily for all of us, both are decreasing in number. Maybe you're the one fighting a losing battle?
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 9, 2015 4:33:27 GMT -6
I believe you stated in one of your post the names were not important to you to be made public?? Correct That's correct. It makes no difference to me. However, I can see the point of those who think that the performance of executioners, just like that of every other government employee, should be public knowledge and accountable to the tax payer. Your counter-argument, that they would have to fear extremists, does not hold weight in my view. The judges, jurors, prosecutors and so on all played a role in sending the man to his death, but their names are a matter of public record with whatever risks that entails. So I don't see why the executioners should be particularly scared. This is a point you have repeatedly failed to address. Finally, someone with common sense.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 6, 2015 16:48:07 GMT -6
Keeping the names of the people who perform an execution of the disgusting murderer ensures that ADP people won't t try to turn the execution into a circus. Why would would you want to know? To harass and threaten? I just witnessed Alfedo Prieto executed in VA, and it was Justice. That's the bottom line- Justice. Names, coddling serial killers, what specific drug mean little except for the adp advocates to attempt to disrupt the process. Your the one with the secrecy, your not telling the real reason why you want the names. It has nothing to do with a free society, it's just an attempt to go after people carrying out Justice. To intimidate, harass, and add more pain to the victims families all in the name of your distorted view. So, tell your truth, and end your secrecy. Point on !!! Agree The reason I want to end the secrecy, is because those involved in carrying out an execution deliberately chooses to participate in killing a fellow human being - and the secrecy means they'll never have to answer for it. If you kill someone with an axe in a shed, you end up in a court of law - if you kill someone with sodium pentothal within the walls of a prison, you get a paycheck. There's something fundamentally wrong here. And the fact that the death penalty is legal, is a *bullcrap* argument - the Holocaust was legal, that doesn't mean it was right.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 6, 2015 11:13:21 GMT -6
[quote source="/post/626422/thread" timestamp="1444090210" author=" You're wandering badly off topic. Nobody is talking about whether His Preciousness is getting the attention he craves. Nobody cares. Wrong dead wrong the public is sick of Precious getting the attention, recently it is showing & being talked about in the news on this recent shooter. Damn right we care. Forget their name & we do care they want that attention, which will not get as in the past. You saying no one cares is BS, F' their name Killers) it is about the victims. That is a current topic, & serious so I am not wondering off badly by bringing it up. I see you not everyone else is the one who just stated you do not care...figures. The execution is not about the victim - it never has been.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 5, 2015 14:15:10 GMT -6
I don't understand what you are saying whitediamonds. Anti abortion would hate to have their kid who is a a doctor, perform abortions too. Secrecy protects lives from anti's who threaten lives for doing so in both area's, abortion or DP Even victims themselves. If they didn't choose to participate in the executions, they wouldn't be in trouble. When you kill someone, the least you can do is be responsible for your actions - and if that gets you in trouble, that's tough luck.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 5, 2015 14:07:07 GMT -6
The capital punishment process is fraught with secrecy - both the procedures themselves, and the names of the people involved. If the executions are done in the name of the people - shouldn't the people have a right to know how it's done, and who's involved? No one is forcing anyone to be a prison official or participate in executions - if people still choose to do so, we should have a right to know. Yes, people involved in killing others may get in trouble - but just like other murderers, they chose it themselves and should accept responsibility for their actions. Because killing a restrained coward is not really something to be proud of is it? If your kid says he wants to be a firefighter, great. A cop or a soldier? Terrific. A scientist? No worries. A doctor, a teacher, a circus performer? Okay. Even if your kid says he wants to work at the IRS, that kid's a strange one but okay. It's only when your kid says he wants to be on the strap-down team that you start to worry. If your kid wants to be on the strap-down team, you should worry.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 4, 2015 14:27:30 GMT -6
The capital punishment process is fraught with secrecy - both the procedures themselves, and the names of the people involved. If the executions are done in the name of the people - shouldn't the people have a right to know how it's done, and who's involved? No one is forcing anyone to be a prison official or participate in executions - if people still choose to do so, we should have a right to know. Yes, people involved in killing others may get in trouble - but just like other murderers, they chose it themselves and should accept responsibility for their actions.
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Post by fuglyville on Sept 30, 2015 4:28:50 GMT -6
How has this made the world any safer? May she rest in peace.
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Post by fuglyville on Sept 28, 2015 8:23:50 GMT -6
There are dangerous and unstable elements in the Black Lives Matter movement, just as there are dangerous and unstable elements in the police. If this is to be solved without further bloodshed, the police have to acknowledge that there are significant racism issues and take significant measures to deal with this - just like the BlackLivesMatter movement have to clear up their acts and support constructive change rather than hate.
Long story short: Both sides have their issues, and both are to blame.
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Post by fuglyville on Jul 9, 2015 17:40:49 GMT -6
And protecting those involved in the execution is hardly a good reason. No one is forcing them to participate - if they deliberately choose to do so, they should be prepared to accept responsibility. No one should be forced to watch either. Especially in their face like family members on either side sitting in as witnesses too if something goes amok. I do appreciate your answers/reply to my questions, compared to what I get from one other poster on this though. As far as I know, no one is forced to witness an execution..
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Post by fuglyville on Jul 9, 2015 5:57:14 GMT -6
Sure. What exactly is your point, in keeping the curtain open. Why does that bother you they closed the curtain? What benefit would it do in your mind? To leave the curtain open? What would it accomplish in your mind for witnesses by keeping the curtain open? Why does it upset you the officials being there, you know the one your yelling about #7. And protecting those involved in the execution is hardly a good reason. No one is forcing them to participate - if they deliberately choose to do so, they should be prepared to accept responsibility.
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Post by fuglyville on Jul 9, 2015 5:45:46 GMT -6
Sure. What exactly is your point, in keeping the curtain open. Why does that bother you they closed the curtain? What benefit would it do in your mind? To leave the curtain open? What would it accomplish in your mind for witnesses by keeping the curtain open? Why does it upset you the officials being there, you know the one your yelling about #7. The point of having witnesses, should be to assure transparency in the process - as long as this is done in the name of the people, the people have a right to know. And if something goes wrong in the process, the people should have the right to know what happened - and who was responsible. The execution protocols in several states has long been hidden under a shroud of secrecy - and those that are released, still have large portions edited out. If they don't have anything to hide, releasing the full and unedited protocols shouldn't be an issue - and in a process such as this, there shouldn't be anything to hide. If the authorities deliberately fight to keep information away from the people, there is a democratic problem.
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Post by fuglyville on Apr 28, 2015 16:04:48 GMT -6
Whatever you say, make sure that you can back it up with objective research, facts and figures.
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Post by fuglyville on Apr 5, 2015 7:47:29 GMT -6
Freed after retrial dropped linkHow has testing bullets changed that this wasn't found out at the time? Apparently , it had to be retested "because Hinton's original attorney did not hire a qualified gun expert.". The fact that it took all those years, is a travesty and speaks volumes about the state of the U.S. Criminal "Justice" system
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Post by fuglyville on Mar 3, 2015 17:46:30 GMT -6
Again, irrelevant. There's the dictionary definition, which is impossibly vague, and criminal justice, which of necessity cannot be. A criminal court is not the place to find fairness. Its officers are human, and as such cannot be fair. The conclusion of a trial is always a compromise between the pursuit of truth and the need to push cases through the grinder. That's the crucial problem in the U.S. criminal justice system. The "tough on crime" *bullcrap* is one of the reasons American criminal justice has failed and will continue to fail, but the chances that someone will actually do anything about it is too much to hope for.
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Post by fuglyville on Feb 7, 2015 12:24:22 GMT -6
This is screwed up. The kid was driven out to a secluded spot-full stop. The kid was shot and killed-full stop. The killer pointed the body out-full stop. Now, you seriously want to tell me they just did it for fun? OBVIOUSLY you have a contract murder going on here, and if mommy cashed in, then obviously she's in on this. Fine, the detective is a slimeball and useless to boot, but one can not ignore that some sort of agreement motivated this murder. HATE these technicalities. I feel you charon, but they got to prove it.. The prosecution needs to prove guilt beyond doubt - the defence only has to cast doubt. And in a death penalty case, the proof should be extremely convincing - and the level of doubt nearly non-existent.
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Post by fuglyville on Feb 7, 2015 12:18:27 GMT -6
Justice isn't about fairness. It's about adjudicating cases, and a working system of criminal justice requires dispositive verdicts and sentences that accrue from due process and good faith. It does NOT require the executed to be guilty beyond all doubt. Nor should it. I'd rather have 10 murderers released than 1 innocent executed. A vital rule in a working court system is that everyone is innocent until proven otherwise beyond doubt - thus, this is an example of how the system should work. Executing innocent people is definitely avoidable, and it's a tragedy that deserves way more attention than it has.
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Post by fuglyville on Aug 14, 2014 17:26:32 GMT -6
Perhaps the appeal process would be faster for all capital cases with the passage of the Streamlined Procedures Act. Instead of allowing courts to cuddle convicted murderers, we would be putting a few more of them in the ground where they belong. We need some hard pro judges in the appeals courts that will not side with the murderer & not allow frivoulous appeals or motions that will drag cases out. In that case, you also need severe sanctions against those involved in miscarriages of justice. In cases where unlawful behaviour from the prosecution, jury or judge results in innocent people being executed, those responsible should be prosecuted for murder. And as always: Innocence=significant doubt. Guilt has to be proven, innocence need only be indicated.
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Post by fuglyville on Aug 13, 2014 18:09:49 GMT -6
There's a reason the appeal process is there in the first place. America needs judges(and D.A.'s) who realise that the execution of one innocent person is always worse than 10 murderers going free - the last thing we need are nutcases who believes premeditated murder/executions are the solution to everything.
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Post by fuglyville on Jun 25, 2014 13:43:23 GMT -6
Executions are going one day to resume in Germany, France, the UK and the rest of western Europe because too many people there are fed up from the dramatic increase in murder rate there. In about 20 years from now Great Britain will be the first state to reinstate the death penalty and resume executions. Citation needed...
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Post by fuglyville on Jun 17, 2014 5:25:11 GMT -6
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Post by fuglyville on May 28, 2014 6:08:37 GMT -6
... would you still support it? And why?
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Post by fuglyville on Apr 23, 2014 21:11:25 GMT -6
The title might need explaining - what I'm asking, is for the MVS`s to imagine how they would react if their loved one was the murderer, rather than the victim. Would you still support the death penalty with the same vigour? Kindly figure out a way to ask your hypothetical questions without absurd references to murder victims. There are people in this forum, as you well know, who don't care an iota for such. Respect their feelings. Thank you. I do realise that the question could be posed in a slightly more thoughtful manner. The point still stands, though - those left behind after the execution deserves the same support, compassion and consideration in the sentencing phase as those left behind by the murder. The lack of support for the friends and relatives of inmate compared to the support given to the friends and relatives of the murder victims, is a travesty and a tragedy.
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Post by fuglyville on Mar 28, 2014 3:36:35 GMT -6
I guess the title explains itself - discuss!
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Post by fuglyville on Mar 4, 2014 17:35:23 GMT -6
The title might need explaining - what I'm asking, is for the MVS`s to imagine how they would react if their loved one was the murderer, rather than the victim. Would you still support the death penalty with the same vigour?
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Post by fuglyville on Jan 31, 2014 15:26:53 GMT -6
You're not just a nutcase, you're a racist nutcase... How... Nice? So what now; you can't keep up with my argument and so you resort to childish name calling? I suppose that is the typical tactic of someone who ultimately is revealed to be not as intelligent as they made themselves out to be. Also, do you think my argument comes from nowhere? I've been all over Europe, and a majority of regular folks I talked to felt very much the same on the issue of the over-immigration of people from Islamic countries; except they had to speak quietly about it so that people like you wouldn't find out their true feelings and then be called a 'racist nutcase', or any other narrow minded labels that would give them trouble from their neighbors, places of employment, the government, ect. Mind you, most of these people were not stereotypical right-wingers at all, centrist would be a more accurate description. Overall, what happens in Europe is not my problem at the same time what happens here in America shouldn't much concern you either Fugly. Well... Both America and Europe are facing struggles, on that we can agree. Where we disagree, is on who's responsible. The one's who created the problems America(and Europe, to a lesser degree) faces today, are "good" christian conservatives - without the immigrants, we would be in a far worse shape than we are.
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Post by fuglyville on Jan 30, 2014 18:18:10 GMT -6
Have to expect that from F-ug his/her indifference towards the actual victims is obvious. Of course indifference can be tempting, even " seductive". It is so much easier to look away from the victims. We see this all the time. Indifference is always friends with the enemy. It benefits the aggressor/aggressor's... It is in other words the ultimate form of weakness of character. Unfortunately that characteristic is pervasive in Europe, in fact if you are not that way over there; you get labeled a Nazi or Nationalistic racist/radical. It is the Social Democratic parties all across Europe that have assumed predominance over the mainstream politics over Europe, which is where Fugly gets her/his ammunition from. That weakness of character which allows for example; Muslims to immigrate to their countries who keep themselves separate from generalized society, establish Sharia Law courts to govern those segregated communities, go to Mosques which spout and foster anti-western rhetoric, protest displays of their adopted countries military and worst of all spitting at and throwing objects at returning soldiers coming back from Afghanistan. You know Fugly, it may not be entirely peachy here in the states, at least we can say we didn't sell our grandchildren to the Muslims. On the path you all are going, Hitler and will be proven right, remember: Humanitarianism is the expression of stupidity and cowardice. You're not just a nutcase, you're a racist nutcase... How... Nice?
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