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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 2:46:52 GMT -6
As I said in another thread, I am new here and what prompted me to join this forum was the recent execution of Dennis McGuire and the controversy surrounding it. Although I am worried slightly for the future of capital punishment as a whole, the prospect of lethal injection being no longer possible is something I have looked forward to for years. It seems in desperation the various states are looking to use any 'legal' method this country allows. The prospects of seeing a resurgence of the 'older methods' (performed in the same old way) will only satisfy the hard liners on the issue for a brief period of time until an even more grizzly death chamber scene occurs; then that would be the end of capital punishment in this country forever. I think for the lack of better options, this may be the time right now that a new method could be adopted. The idea is to use Nitrogen Asphyxiation or Inert Gas Asphyxiation. This concept is not new of course, it was suggested almost 20 years ago but since lethal injection was seen as the constitutionally safe method at the time, the idea went almost unnoticed. One factor I think this method has in it's favor is that the phenomenon and mechanism of death is very well understood by medical science. In a pure nitrogen environment, a person within it never knows they are suffocating, as has been the case in numerous accidental deaths caused by it. Information on it is easy to find for anyone who is unfamiliar with the concept, starting here I suppose: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_asphyxiationMy plan, and I hope I could get some help on this, would be to write the various states' officials/politicians with this idea. I suppose my biggest problem is that I wouldn't know where to start and who to talk to since I do not live a death penalty state. I would like to if possible plant that bug of an idea in enough people's ears that it may be given at least some serious consideration. Again, anyone who would be willing to help, that would be great. As much as I would like the various states to take their old sparkeys out of the museums and start sending their CO's to advanced target training, it will be a bad thing for capital punishment in the long run and will play right into the hands of the European Social-Democrat dominated agenda when capital punishment is abolished because some scumbag gets a nose bleed. For any anti DP people reading this, don't take all this as me being blood thirsty. I believe for the 99% of murders that happen in this country, capital punishment is not necessary. But I feel it should be there for those 1% of cases where the cruelty and/or enormity of that person's crime demands such punishment. For the most classic of examples, a Ted Bundy or Timothy McVeigh. Thank you all very much for your time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 8:43:30 GMT -6
As much as I would like the various states to take their old sparkeys out of the museums and start sending their CO's to advanced target training, it will be a bad thing for capital punishment in the long run and will play right into the hands of the European Social-Democrat dominated agenda when capital punishment is abolished because some scumbag gets a nose bleed..... I think you'll find that the reason the DP is not used in the EU is not because of some percieved weakness of moral fibre as you would have it, but instead it's a realisation that in any country the penal system is a directly reflected back into society. Society and the penal system that it has are inexorably linked, they are not mutually exclusive. The more people executed the more extreme violence takes place in the society, not because the act of DP goes to directly causality per se, but because the whole tenet of society is based on violence. The DP has no deterrent effect, it is enacted to supposedly make people in society feel safer and that some form of natural justice has taken place. It is in fact a display of intensely idle administration of a society, an act of sweeping social issues under the carpet in effect. But you'll find the best countries to live in by research are N European, Denmark, Sweden, Finland etc. Why? Because crime is a central part of any society and societies are defined by their crime. They have a penal system based on rehabilitation not segregation, and consequently a recidivism rate of c.20% whereas in direct comparison the US would be seen to have a 75% recidivism rate. These N European countries avoid criminalisation of people as far as possible and have prisons which would be decried as "5 Star Hotels" by many. But surely the point of a prison is the loss of freedom? But if you want to have people retake a useful place in society they have to want to be a part of it, not hate it and be/feel ostracised. Most importantly though the people in those N European societies say that all in society are the responsibility of all. They don't ask who to execute, they genuinely ask how they en masse have let that person down. However, forgetting rational logic, I suppose if a country is hell bent on killing it's citizens for no known benefit, not even saving money, then at least they could do it as painlessly as possible. So to that extent willd, I'd agree with you.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 26, 2014 9:35:03 GMT -6
As much as I would like the various states to take their old sparkeys out of the museums and start sending their CO's to advanced target training, it will be a bad thing for capital punishment in the long run and will play right into the hands of the European Social-Democrat dominated agenda when capital punishment is abolished because some scumbag gets a nose bleed..... I think you'll find that the reason the DP is not used in the EU is not because of some percieved weakness of moral fibre as you would have it, but instead it's a realisation that in any country the penal system is a directly reflected back into society. Society and the penal system that it has are inexorably linked, they are not mutually exclusive. The more people executed the more extreme violence takes place in the society, not because the act of DP goes to directly causality per se, but because the whole tenet of society is based on violence. The DP has no deterrent effect, it is enacted to supposedly make people in society feel safer and that some form of natural justice has taken place. It is in fact a display of intensely idle administration of a society, an act of sweeping social issues under the carpet in effect. But you'll find the best countries to live in by research are N European, Denmark, Sweden, Finland etc. Why? Because crime is a central part of any society and societies are defined by their crime. They have a penal system based on rehabilitation not segregation, and consequently a recidivism rate of c.20% whereas in direct comparison the US would be seen to have a 75% recidivism rate. These N European countries avoid criminalisation of people as far as possible and have prisons which would be decried as "5 Star Hotels" by many. But surely the point of a prison is the loss of freedom? But if you want to have people retake a useful place in society they have to want to be a part of it, not hate it and be/feel ostracised. Most importantly though the people in those N European societies say that all in society are the responsibility of all. They don't ask who to execute, they genuinely ask how they en masse have let that person down. However, forgetting rational logic, I suppose if a country is hell bent on killing it's citizens for no known benefit, not even saving money, then at least they could do it as painlessly as possible. So to that extent willd, I'd agree with you. I would agree with you as far as the general prison population, needs to improve. Murders/rape Capital murder should be real LWOP or DP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 10:25:17 GMT -6
I think you'll find that the reason the DP is not used in the EU is not because of some percieved weakness of moral fibre as you would have it, but instead it's a realisation that in any country the penal system is a directly reflected back into society. Society and the penal system that it has are inexorably linked, they are not mutually exclusive. The more people executed the more extreme violence takes place in the society, not because the act of DP goes to directly causality per se, but because the whole tenet of society is based on violence. The DP has no deterrent effect, it is enacted to supposedly make people in society feel safer and that some form of natural justice has taken place. It is in fact a display of intensely idle administration of a society, an act of sweeping social issues under the carpet in effect. But you'll find the best countries to live in by research are N European, Denmark, Sweden, Finland etc. Why? Because crime is a central part of any society and societies are defined by their crime. They have a penal system based on rehabilitation not segregation, and consequently a recidivism rate of c.20% whereas in direct comparison the US would be seen to have a 75% recidivism rate. These N European countries avoid criminalisation of people as far as possible and have prisons which would be decried as "5 Star Hotels" by many. But surely the point of a prison is the loss of freedom? But if you want to have people retake a useful place in society they have to want to be a part of it, not hate it and be/feel ostracised. Most importantly though the people in those N European societies say that all in society are the responsibility of all. They don't ask who to execute, they genuinely ask how they en masse have let that person down. However, forgetting rational logic, I suppose if a country is hell bent on killing it's citizens for no known benefit, not even saving money, then at least they could do it as painlessly as possible. So to that extent willd, I'd agree with you. I would absolutely have to agree with you that the standard of living and arguably quality of society is much higher in the Scandinavian countries in comparison to the United States. But I feel no matter how idyllic a society is with it's generally low crime rates, there should be a 'worst case scenario' provision. I can distinctly think of one modern example where that progressive system of criminal justice has failed: Anders Breivik. Due to this system, Norwegian law could only impose a MAXIMUM of 21 years. Do you think that is fair? After the bombing and massacre in 2011, I'm sure a great many Norwegian people (especially the family of the victims) wished Norway had an emergency legal provision allowing the death penalty in the most extreme of circumstances. One thing I may agree with you is that some states here do execute people too often, making the practice almost commonplace. Take for instance the most recent execution in Texas, (and I may take a little flak for this, but...) the guy only killed one cop, and on top of that the guy had been arrested, wasn't searched properly, and shot the cop from the backseat. That guy's crime to me did not warrant the DP, the guy in Ohio (McGuire) certainly did. I see no clear red line when it comes to the application of the DP, though it should be clear to everyone (those without preconceived opinions on being staunchly for or against) when it is the right thing to do.
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Post by fuglyville on Jan 26, 2014 21:00:49 GMT -6
I would absolutely have to agree with you that the standard of living and arguably quality of society is much higher in the Scandinavian countries in comparison to the United States. But I feel no matter how idyllic a society is with it's generally low crime rates, there should be a 'worst case scenario' provision. I can distinctly think of one modern example where that progressive system of criminal justice has failed: Anders Breivik. Due to this system, Norwegian law could only impose a MAXIMUM of 21 years. Do you think that is fair? After the bombing and massacre in 2011, I'm sure a great many Norwegian people (especially the family of the victims) wished Norway had an emergency legal provision allowing the death penalty in the most extreme of circumstances. Though this is a common misunderstanding, that's no excuse. First of all, Breivik was sentenced to 21 years of detention with a minimum of 10 years - which is the most severe penalty in the Norwegian court system. This penalty will extended every 5 years, as long as the defendant is deemed a risk to society - this means that he is, essentially, sentenced to life with the option of parole. Though parole is an option, the sentence states that the society he wished to eradicate will still be here after 21 years - thus, he will still be dangerous. (The sentence(in Norwegian) may be found here . Besides, it's important to mention that the only one who publicly supported the death penalty was the defendant himself. The Norwegian death penalty was abolished for civil crimes in 1902, and for war crimes in 1979. As of now, no major political parties are trying to reinstate it - single politicians have stated support for it, but they're seldom taken seriously. Neither has those left behind - rather than to cry out for blood, they have chosen to remember those who fell and what they fought for. They died because they believed in a world of peace, forgiveness and solidarity - to use them in defense of killing is disgusting, to say the least. Next time, please check up on facts before writing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 0:04:02 GMT -6
I guess you checked with every single MVS in Norway how they feel about all this. If you are going to say such things maybe you should check with each and every victim and their family and friends. That's right the victims are dead so they really can't say what they want to. That was taken away from them by the murderers that you think are such fine people.
Once again scumpals such as yourself make up the facts to fit their very own agenda.
Aren't you from Italy?
to use the victims and their loved ones to save your murderers is DISGUSTING..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 8:27:37 GMT -6
I guess you checked with every single MVS in Norway how they feel about all this. If you are going to say such things maybe you should check with each and every victim and their family and friends. That's right the victims are dead so they really can't say what they want to. That was taken away from them by the murderers that you think are such fine people. Once again scumpals such as yourself make up the facts to fit their very own agenda. Aren't you from Italy? to use the victims and their loved ones to save your murderers is DISGUSTING.. Personally I am not interested in pointless arguments on the internet, but the poster has not made anything up. Can one find people in N European states who think the DP is a good idea? Can some people in grief, and it is only some, demand severe punishments for those who have caused their misery? Of course, but that does not make their wishes correct for the whole of society, it is closing a stable door after the horse. Surely the sensible thing is to have a society where the amount of violent crime is at minimum? Brevik was an total aberration for Norway, the Brevik's of this world in a variety of formats are not however an aberration in the USA are they? What you seem to miss is that 'you' get the society that you help to create - your need for a violent outcome from the judicial/penal system, your hatred, your need for unbridled emotional retribution is what creates the very society you say you wish to avoid. In innumerable studies it has been found that out of, metaphorically speaking - Stick, Carrot and Stick or simply Carrot - that in real life only carrot works. Using the big stick of society just causes more anguish and hatred. Just try and remember every time you hate someone, they and their family hate you right back. Maybe all this seething hatred explains why the USA has 5% of the worlds population and yet 25% of the worlds prisoners with a 75% recidivism rate under nearly every crime category. As a singular recent example, there was a lady whom had been violently raped by a 16yr old on the street in London. She appeared on BBC news as they were talking about Restorative Justice, a process she had taken part in with her attacker. This lady was at pains to repeatedly point out to the interviewer that she had been part of this process NOT just because of herself and her feelings BUT because she wished to help her attacker become a decent member of society. She was Dutch... and that's the whole point. She has no hatred, she wanted the best for herself, him and society.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 27, 2014 10:42:05 GMT -6
The great divide. Which way really threatens to destabilize society. No DP, or the DP?
Also, we have the highest prison population not due to murderers/rapist being incarcerated.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 27, 2014 11:21:16 GMT -6
Not everything that shines is gold.
Sweden presents itself to the world as a model of social justice & successful integration. Another great divide between pretense & reality.
There have been many reports of increased lawlessness as area's of Sweden cities where immigrants from the Middle East live . Sweden is also facing an epidemic of rape, anti Jewish incidents ( Mob attacks on Isreal-Sweden games)"" violent "" leftist attacks on "conservatives" while cracking down on freedom of speech....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 14:02:19 GMT -6
I guess you checked with every single MVS in Norway how they feel about all this. If you are going to say such things maybe you should check with each and every victim and their family and friends. That's right the victims are dead so they really can't say what they want to. That was taken away from them by the murderers that you think are such fine people. Once again scumpals such as yourself make up the facts to fit their very own agenda. Aren't you from Italy? to use the victims and their loved ones to save your murderers is DISGUSTING.. Personally I am not interested in pointless arguments on the internet, but the poster has not made anything up. Can one find people in N European states who think the DP is a good idea? Can some people in grief, and it is only some, demand severe punishments for those who have caused their misery? Of course, but that does not make their wishes correct for the whole of society, it is closing a stable door after the horse. Surely the sensible thing is to have a society where the amount of violent crime is at minimum? Brevik was an total aberration for Norway, the Brevik's of this world in a variety of formats are not however an aberration in the USA are they? What you seem to miss is that 'you' get the society that you help to create - your need for a violent outcome from the judicial/penal system, your hatred, your need for unbridled emotional retribution is what creates the very society you say you wish to avoid. In innumerable studies it has been found that out of, metaphorically speaking - Stick, Carrot and Stick or simply Carrot - that in real life only carrot works. Using the big stick of society just causes more anguish and hatred. Just try and remember every time you hate someone, they and their family hate you right back. Maybe all this seething hatred explains why the USA has 5% of the worlds population and yet 25% of the worlds prisoners with a 75% recidivism rate under nearly every crime category. As a singular recent example, there was a lady whom had been violently raped by a 16yr old on the street in London. She appeared on BBC news as they were talking about Restorative Justice, a process she had taken part in with her attacker. This lady was at pains to repeatedly point out to the interviewer that she had been part of this process NOT just because of herself and her feelings BUT because she wished to help her attacker become a decent member of society. She was Dutch... and that's the whole point. She has no hatred, she wanted the best for herself, him and society. Personally you aren't interested in pointless arguments on the internet? So why are you here? You must figure we just want to hear all about YOU. You then go on to dismiss the MVSs' grief as something akin to being nothing but a pain in your rear. Then you proceed to put the personal responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the MVS. Thanks a heap. You also have a theory that the murderer has no personal responsibility for what they have done but put it on all the people that have lived their lives within the boundaries of the law. Now we come to the carrot and the stick theory. IOW, we should give the lawbreakers a prize. Aww gee whiz..... I think I will go out and break some laws because I want a prize, too. Your example of a Dutch woman with no name. Since you think she has done something that is so wonderful, I would think you would want to give her credit. A Dutch woman??? where I have I heard this Dutch stuff before? Let me think I remember SOMEBODY being here... What I find totally unbelievable in all of this is PEOPLE SCREAM THAT THE UNITED STATES SHOULD MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS. These same people then come here and actually everywhere and get in the business of the United States. I guess your whole reason for being here is to tell people how superior you are compared to them. Everyone bow down. This newbie, which I believe to be an oldie that is just recycling him/herself under a new name deserves our respect for being so wonderful and wise. Same old Same old. Deception rules....
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 27, 2014 15:14:57 GMT -6
Greggsmom stated: People scream the United States should mind their own business. So true.
History why did you wait so long to back us up? So you all (USA) could look like hero's"?
Then screaming to the USA stay out of our business. Catch twenty two, no win situation.
They are not interested in pointless debates, true... just want to preach. Their way of course " ONLY".
So, of course it is pointless to them. You have to agree !!!
And they find us as smug & arrogant people here in the US? "grins"
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Post by Californian on Jan 27, 2014 16:50:44 GMT -6
Personally I am not interested in pointless arguments on the internet, You could fool the hell out of me so far. Well, LOOKY HERE, posters, we have another Euroweenie In-tel-lect-ual. C'mon, Dorsetty, admit it-you were Hotsnot in a previous incarnation here, right? Would that be the same society that took this country away from the UK-TWICE- and STILL bailed your *%#*@* out with the Krauts-Again, TWICE? Yes, and there were millions of European Jews who willingly went to the "showers," too. But that don't make it RIGHT, does it? Get lost, Euroweenie. We'll run our country the way we see fit.
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Post by fuglyville on Jan 27, 2014 19:30:51 GMT -6
I guess you checked with every single MVS in Norway how they feel about all this. If you are going to say such things maybe you should check with each and every victim and their family and friends. That's right the victims are dead so they really can't say what they want to. That was taken away from them by the murderers that you think are such fine people. Once again scumpals such as yourself make up the facts to fit their very own agenda. Aren't you from Italy? to use the victims and their loved ones to save your murderers is DISGUSTING..
1: Why do you automatically reckon that MVS's support the death penalty? Those who wish for reconciliation and forgiveness rather than another death are consistently ignored, while those who lust for blood and revenge far too often ends up getting exactly what they wanted. No one gave you the right to speak on behalf of all MVS's - the fact that you can't fathom how some people are able to forgive rather than hate, says more than I guess you'll care to admit.
2: If you tell me which facts you believe I've made up, I'll be glad to find sources - as long as you can find a single Norwegian MVS who has pronounced a wish for the death penalty in this case. It's worth remembering that the youth at Utøya died because they believed in a free, decent, forgiving society - the only one who has consistently stated a wish for the death penalty is Breivik himself.
3: Italy...? Where do you get that from? I was born and raised just outside Oslo, and live close to the city centre - Bygdøy allé, if you're that curious.
4: Yes, the victims are dead - but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to speak up on their behalf. The fact that you still have the gall to do this in a case which you're impressively ignorant about, says more about your sense of self-worth than anything else. Unless you know that those who died supported the death penalty, pretending to speak on their behalf is disgusting. If you really are an MVS yourself, I'd expect better.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 27, 2014 20:21:03 GMT -6
F-ug stated: Yes,, the victims are dead. But that doesn't give you the right to speak for anyone else on their behalf.
Ditto to you. Practice what you preach.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 20:54:10 GMT -6
fugly thinks she is on a roll. Poor little scumpal..
1. I have never automatically reckoned that MVSs support the DP. Where did you get that from? You are the one that is saying things you know absolutely nothing about. As far as this blood and revenge thing. Yeah... SO WHAT I speak on behalf of me. Quit trying to make me into something you are. It seemed to me that you were saying that the victims and the MVS in Norway were all agreeing with you. I can admit that some MVS choose to forgive murderers. I don't have to agree with that you twit.
2. I already pointed out that info. If you are too dense to realize it. Too Bad. I don't care about what you think that Norwegian believe or not. I was pointing out that you haven't talked to every MVS. Therefore your so called truth isn't the complete and absolute facts that you say they are. Basically just another scumpal that keeps making up whatever fits your agenda. Let us not forget how you came here saying you were a MVS and actually tried to get me banned for calling you on it. I did give you the chance to prove your case by confiding the info not to the board but to one of the moderators here. I would not question them about this because I have found them very trustworthy.
3. Italy.. Norway? Whatever!! I just got you mixed up with some other scumpal that has come thru here. I really don't care where you are from. Just another scumpal from across the pond. Btw, I think I did ask you if you were from Italy. I guess you answered. Quite rudely. I don't expect better from a scumpal such as yourself.
4. Why wouldn't it give me the right? You appear to be willing to speak on behalf of a make believe victim. The fact that I have the gall to say anything. I just said you hadn't spoken to every MVS in Norway doesn't say I'm ignorant. It points out that you are blowing smoke out your butt. If I really am a MVS.... Oh my you just said the same thing you wanted me banned for. Why would a scumpal expect better? You arrogant putz. MODERATORS YOU ALL KNOW ME. Please Don't ban fugly. She is too easy to screw with. No.. Believe me you should expect worse and it will come.
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Post by charon on Jan 27, 2014 21:59:53 GMT -6
I'd like to know what these two bozos would say when the same killer murders or rape one of their own. Just curious if they'll persist with the same kumbaya horses#it?
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Post by whitediamonds on Jan 27, 2014 22:21:58 GMT -6
F-ug stated: Yes,, the victims are dead. But that doesn't give you the right to speak for anyone else on their behalf. Ditto to you. Practice what you preach. F-ug also stated to Greggsmom: If you really are an MVS yourself. Purposely targeting her to conform, comply, prove then putting her down of having no self esteem?. What the F is wrong with you? F-ug, F-ug,F-ug. Again practice what you preach !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 22:31:22 GMT -6
Though this is a common misunderstanding, that's no excuse. First of all, Breivik was sentenced to 21 years of detention with a minimum of 10 years - which is the most severe penalty in the Norwegian court system. This penalty will extended every 5 years, as long as the defendant is deemed a risk to society - this means that he is, essentially, sentenced to life with the option of parole. Though parole is an option, the sentence states that the society he wished to eradicate will still be here after 21 years - thus, he will still be dangerous. (The sentence(in Norwegian) may be found here . Besides, it's important to mention that the only one who publicly supported the death penalty was the defendant himself. The Norwegian death penalty was abolished for civil crimes in 1902, and for war crimes in 1979. As of now, no major political parties are trying to reinstate it - single politicians have stated support for it, but they're seldom taken seriously. Neither has those left behind - rather than to cry out for blood, they have chosen to remember those who fell and what they fought for. They died because they believed in a world of peace, forgiveness and solidarity - to use them in defense of killing is disgusting, to say the least. Next time, please check up on facts before writing. I seem to have struck a nerve with you regarding Anders Breivik. I am assuming that is the reason for your confrontational and rude approach to conducting a debate; though that is typical of what I've seen of you thus far, for that reason it seems your not very well liked around here. I'd like to thank greggsmom for making the point I would have had to make myself now, that what I originally said was that "I'm sure a great many Norwegian people (especially the family of the victims) wished Norway had an emergency legal provision allowing the death penalty....." I didn't say members of government, because I already assumed that like you, they suppressed the natural human feelings to see a fair measure of justice meted out, and super imposed over that their Social-Democrat indoctrination so that they (you) could feel a sense of superiority. As in 'a weaker minded person would want to see this man dead, but we're too good for that.' Its thinking and behavior like that which will one day prove Anders Breivik right, as your 'more civilized than anyone else' (and overly permissive) culture is swamped under the weight of the Muslim horde. And speaking of, who's to say in 20+ years the political climate won't change and he will be looked upon as a hero of sorts and be released? In a broader sense I see a small bit of irony in being lectured about what is 'civilized' by a European. For all the love I have for my ancestors' motherland; I see a people who for 1000+ years excelled at cutting each others' throats and who only in the past 20 years have reshaped the arrogance that once drove their desire to conquest into one that puts their new found civility above that of all others. One more thing, you stated that Norway abolished capital punishment in 1902, how do you explain the numerous executions of Nazi collaborators? Wouldn't you agree that was an example of a 'special circumstance' that I was originally talking about? PS. I am new here so correct me if I am misguided in this thought, but I thought this was a pro-death penalty forum? I understand the concept of opposing viewpoints helping ferment good conversation, but I am seeing an imbalance in favor of the opposition. It strikes me as odd that within this topic I started, nobody has given any notice or reply to the original topic, instead we have another pro vs anti dick waving contest. It makes no sense to me to join a forum if your against what the primary topic is about. It's like a Christian Folk music fan joining a Death Metal fan forum and bitching all the time that Metal sucks...... There is only one conclusion to me is that this forum is being targeted by the anti camp and is being seeded with agitators. Just an observation here, correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by charon on Jan 27, 2014 23:08:12 GMT -6
There is only one conclusion to me is that this forum is being targeted by the anti camp and is being seeded with agitators. Just an observation here, correct me if I am wrong. Not wrong at all, though I personally do not mind. Makes for great entertainment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 23:39:54 GMT -6
Sorry Willd for the hijacking of your thread. This happens quite often here and I admit that I am guilty of doing this a few times. Well quite a number of times.
It's nothing against you but as you might have gathered that many of us have been here for some time now.
Once again I am sorry for doing this to you. I will try and I mean try to treat you better.
Btw, Welcome. Hope you enjoy. charon is right it makes for great entertainment.
I do like your name, Willd. I guess I will call you Willd Bill if it suits you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 0:07:20 GMT -6
Sorry Willd for the hijacking of your thread. This happens quite often here and I admit that I am guilty of doing this a few times. Well quite a number of times. It's nothing against you but as you might have gathered that many of us have been here for some time now. Once again I am sorry for this doing to you. I will try and I mean try to treat you better. Btw, Welcome. Hope you enjoy. charon is right it makes for great entertainment. I do like your name, Willd. I guess I will call you Willd Bill if it suits you. No problem at all, I know it's not your fault I'm starting to make clear what is good conversation and poppycock around here. As for what charon said (I think your awesome btw ; ) it can make for some good entertainment, but from my experience in other forums, persistent trolling can get a little annoying as they distract the legitimate folks away from the issues, maybe that's what the point with them is here. So long as there are you sane long timers still come around here, I think I'll keep coming back. And thanks greggsmom (great name as well), willd is somewhat of a coincidence, my name is William D, I just scrunched it together into a snappy name, lol!
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Post by charon on Jan 28, 2014 0:30:03 GMT -6
Sorry Willd for the hijacking of your thread. This happens quite often here and I admit that I am guilty of doing this a few times. Well quite a number of times. It's nothing against you but as you might have gathered that many of us have been here for some time now. Once again I am sorry for this doing to you. I will try and I mean try to treat you better. Btw, Welcome. Hope you enjoy. charon is right it makes for great entertainment. I do like your name, Willd. I guess I will call you Willd Bill if it suits you. No problem at all, I know it's not your fault I'm starting to make clear what is good conversation and poppycock around here. As for what charon said (I think your awesome btw ; ) it can make for some good entertainment, but from my experience in other forums, persistent trolling can get a little annoying as they distract the legitimate folks away from the issues, maybe that's what the point with them is here. So long as there are you sane long timers still come around here, I think I'll keep coming back. And thanks greggsmom (great name as well), willd is somewhat of a coincidence, my name is William D, I just scrunched it together into a snappy name, lol! Awesome? Naturally! I'm a William myself. What the hell did you expect?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 0:33:10 GMT -6
Hey, perchance have you ever heard the song 'Sails of Charon' by the (old) Scorpions? You didn't happen to get your name from there? It is indeed an awesome song....
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Post by charon on Jan 28, 2014 1:05:01 GMT -6
Hey, perchance have you ever heard the song 'Sails of Charon' by the (old) Scorpions? You didn't happen to get your name from there? It is indeed an awesome song.... Oh, I'm a big Scorpions fan, though I can't say that I've ever heard that song. I'll look it up. I got the Charon from mythology, and obviously from Chris de Burgh's Ferryman. Fitting for this site, I'd say.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 1:10:08 GMT -6
Oh, I'm a big Scorpions fan, though I can't say that I've ever heard that song. I'll look it up. I got the Charon from mythology, and obviously from Chris de Burgh's Ferryman. Fitting for this site, I'd say. The riff in that song is killer, probably one of the best ever. Uli Jon Roth is a killer guitar player, one of my favorites next to Ritchie Blackmore. I can't say I'm much into mythology, but I shall look it up.
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Post by charon on Jan 28, 2014 1:16:57 GMT -6
Oh, I'm a big Scorpions fan, though I can't say that I've ever heard that song. I'll look it up. I got the Charon from mythology, and obviously from Chris de Burgh's Ferryman. Fitting for this site, I'd say. The riff in that song is killer, probably one of the best ever. Uli Jon Roth is a killer guitar player, one of my favorites next to Ritchie Blackmore. I can't say I'm much into mythology, but I shall look it up. Checked it out on youtube just now. Not bad but not my favorite. Rather untidy. "When the smoke is going down" is still the best, I'd say. We're gonna get flamed for screwing up the threat...
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Post by fuglyville on Jan 28, 2014 6:04:09 GMT -6
Norway abolished the death penalty for civil crimes in 1902, but kept it for war crimes and the military code of justice until sometime in the 70s - thus explaining the post-war executions. The far-right party in parliament used to support a reintroduction for war crimes, but even they have eventually come to their senses.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 8:02:02 GMT -6
Norway abolished the death penalty for civil crimes in 1902, but kept it for war crimes and the military code of justice until sometime in the 70s - thus explaining the post-war executions. The far-right party in parliament used to support a reintroduction for war crimes, but even they have eventually come to their senses. '...came to their senses....' you sound foolish. Like I said before, I refuse to be talked down to by a European regarding civility, all the blood spilled on your soil has yet to dry. I am more than willing to bet that in the end, your mouth will be stuffed by your ultra liberal ideology and permissiveness. I don't just mean you; Europe as a whole will be ruined by people like you. The fact that America may be in worse shape doesn't bother me at the moment, because I know if we do go down, we will go down with our backbone intact.
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Post by charon on Jan 28, 2014 8:59:49 GMT -6
Norway abolished the death penalty for civil crimes in 1902, but kept it for war crimes and the military code of justice until sometime in the 70s - thus explaining the post-war executions. The far-right party in parliament used to support a reintroduction for war crimes, but even they have eventually come to their senses. '...came to their senses....' you sound foolish. Like I said before, I refuse to be talked down to by a European regarding civility, all the blood spilled on your soil has yet to dry. I am more than willing to bet that in the end, your mouth will be stuffed by your ultra liberal ideology and permissiveness. I don't just mean you; Europe as a whole will be ruined by people like you. The fact that America may be in worse shape doesn't bother me at the moment, because I know if we do go down, we will go down with our backbone intact. Well done fugly. Took Bill 14 posts to get fed-up with you. Gotta be a record, yes?
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Post by spinaltap on Jan 29, 2014 7:05:14 GMT -6
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