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Post by fuglyville on Mar 4, 2014 17:35:23 GMT -6
The title might need explaining - what I'm asking, is for the MVS`s to imagine how they would react if their loved one was the murderer, rather than the victim. Would you still support the death penalty with the same vigour?
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Post by whitediamonds on Mar 4, 2014 17:53:56 GMT -6
I agree the title needed explaining.
No I am not an MVS" but I do know me. If my son commited a "capital murder" which qualified for the DP found guilty no doubts, as much as it would be hell for me in many ways I can say I would still agree with the DP.
It would tear me up to think a son of mine could do such a heinous act agains't a human or humans for no rational reason at all, probably blame myself what did I do or not notice. Then I would feel for the victims family, embarrassed, sad so much more. I would not be thinking of myself. Then I would " I think" try to support my son thru incarceration as welll as when the day comes for his execution( if I was still alive) it does take so many yrs to get to the point.
After his execution I would pray he finds some kind of peace himself along with remorse acceptence of what he has done to anothers family including to me as his mother to bear. All the damage done to so many.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 18:04:24 GMT -6
I bet fugly thinks she is so witty, clever and oh so original. I don't know how many times this stupid question has been asked and answered but I am not going to answer it again. Any MVSs that are here or have been here don't have the luxury of being something they are not and they never will be again.
I am not going to play some reverse psychology mumbo jumbo right into the hands of a scumpal. This is just more games that people such as fugly play to entertain themselves with others' misery.
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Post by whitediamonds on Mar 4, 2014 18:20:07 GMT -6
Yeah what a title if your "victim" was the murderer . Only a twisted mind would see a murderer as a victim, even if it was my son who commited a capital murder I could never see him as the victim....
I did not mind amusing fugly, even here we had freezing temps & ice last night & most of the day. I had time to play.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 18:43:01 GMT -6
I heard about the weather there. I know how much it sucks to live in that kind of a mess. Of course, we lived in it for about 6 months out of every year. Where we are at right now is quite nice. I have the doors and windows open. Sorry, I don't mean to rub it in but I haven't gotten to do that too often. At least not about the weather.
Go ahead amuse away. I don't care if you play with fugly for awhile. It's entertainment. Have fun WD. I don't think fugly finds us too amusing, though.
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Post by whitediamonds on Mar 4, 2014 19:44:28 GMT -6
I heard about the weather there. I know how much it sucks to live in that kind of a mess. Of course, we lived in it for about 6 months out of every year. Where we are at right now is quite nice. I have the doors and windows open. Sorry, I don't mean to rub it in but I haven't gotten to do that too often. At least not about the weather. Go ahead amuse away. I don't care if you play with fugly for awhile. It's entertainment. Have fun WD. I don't think fugly finds us too amusing, though. Aww it's ok to rub it in, I am happy for you to have nice weather there. I am having fun it is the best entertainment today.
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Post by ltdc on Mar 5, 2014 8:37:54 GMT -6
if their loved one was the murderer, rather than the victim. Would you still support the death penalty with the same vigour? don't know, ask me when the "if" becomes an "is". until then..................................next!!!
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 5, 2014 10:12:43 GMT -6
The title might need explaining - what I'm asking, is for the MVS`s to imagine how they would react if their loved one was the murderer, rather than the victim. Would you still support the death penalty with the same vigour? Why not simply ask whether any murderers deserve pity or compassion, or why some deserve it and others don't.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 6, 2014 10:12:32 GMT -6
I agree the title needed explaining. No I am not an MVS" but I do know me. If my son commited a "capital murder" which qualified for the DP found guilty no doubts, as much as it would be hell for me in many ways I can say I would still agree with the DP. It would tear me up to think a son of mine could do such a heinous act agains't a human or humans for no rational reason at all, probably blame myself what did I do or not notice. Then I would feel for the victims family, embarrassed, sad so much more. I would not be thinking of myself. Then I would " I think" try to support my son thru incarceration as welll as when the day comes for his execution( if I was still alive) it does take so many yrs to get to the point. After his execution I would pray he finds some kind of peace himself along with remorse acceptence of what he has done to anothers family including to me as his mother to bear. All the damage done to so many. that is the ONLY intelligent, and rational, way to think
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 6, 2014 10:17:38 GMT -6
I bet fugly thinks she is so witty, clever and oh so original. I don't know how many times this stupid question has been asked and answered but I am not going to answer it again. Any MVSs that are here or have been here don't have the luxury of being something they are not and they never will be again. I am not going to play some reverse psychology mumbo jumbo right into the hands of a scumpal. This is just more games that people such as fugly play to entertain themselves with others' misery. but, it does go to show how totally without merit their position is
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Post by Donnie on Apr 13, 2014 10:41:55 GMT -6
I have been involved in debating the use of the death penalty from both sides for more than 50 years and it is interesting to me that supposedly intelligent anti-DP folk continue to use some of the lame-brained arguments against the death penalty that I realized were shallow when I was a teen ager.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 1:06:18 GMT -6
The title might need explaining - what I'm asking, is for the MVS`s to imagine how they would react if their loved one was the murderer, rather than the victim. Would you still support the death penalty with the same vigour? Kindly figure out a way to ask your hypothetical questions without absurd references to murder victims. There are people in this forum, as you well know, who don't care an iota for such. Respect their feelings. Thank you.
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 21, 2014 15:54:04 GMT -6
I have been involved in debating the use of the death penalty from both sides for more than 50 years and it is interesting to me that supposedly intelligent anti-DP folk continue to use some of the lame-brained arguments against the death penalty that I realized were shallow when I was a teen ager. exactly. it took me awhile to comprehend how utterly stupid the anti arguments are, but thankfully, i grew up
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Post by fuglyville on Apr 23, 2014 21:11:25 GMT -6
The title might need explaining - what I'm asking, is for the MVS`s to imagine how they would react if their loved one was the murderer, rather than the victim. Would you still support the death penalty with the same vigour? Kindly figure out a way to ask your hypothetical questions without absurd references to murder victims. There are people in this forum, as you well know, who don't care an iota for such. Respect their feelings. Thank you. I do realise that the question could be posed in a slightly more thoughtful manner. The point still stands, though - those left behind after the execution deserves the same support, compassion and consideration in the sentencing phase as those left behind by the murder. The lack of support for the friends and relatives of inmate compared to the support given to the friends and relatives of the murder victims, is a travesty and a tragedy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 9:40:31 GMT -6
Kindly figure out a way to ask your hypothetical questions without absurd references to murder victims. There are people in this forum, as you well know, who don't care an iota for such. Respect their feelings. Thank you. I do realise that the question could be posed in a slightly more thoughtful manner. The point still stands, though - those left behind after the execution deserves the same support, compassion and consideration in the sentencing phase as those left behind by the murder. The lack of support for the friends and relatives of inmate compared to the support given to the friends and relatives of the murder victims, is a travesty and a tragedy. You would never post anything in a slightly more thoughtful manner. You came here to do everything to hurt and try to demean others here. What point? You twit. You haven't made a point in 203 posts. STFU and crawl back under the rock you slithered from underneath 203 posst ago. Why don't you go put some flowers on your beloved's grave? Oh yeah.. That's right there is no beloved, there is no grave and you are a lying manipulative scumpal.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 24, 2014 10:14:53 GMT -6
Kindly figure out a way to ask your hypothetical questions without absurd references to murder victims. There are people in this forum, as you well know, who don't care an iota for such. Respect their feelings. Thank you. I do realise that the question could be posed in a slightly more thoughtful manner. The point still stands, though - those left behind after the execution deserves the same support, compassion and consideration in the sentencing phase as those left behind by the murder. The lack of support for the friends and relatives of inmate compared to the support given to the friends and relatives of the murder victims, is a travesty and a tragedy. A tragedy & a travesty is you coming here, "only" speaking up for murderer's & their families. You obviously come here to harm/ignore the actual victim' of murderers. Lets do a rewind, that is where all this started. Even in TX there is support for families of the executed after as well as before the execution of their family member. Thru the many yrs they are still alive too. Called hardship for accomadations, etc. After their execution too......PP's who spend mucho $$ to visit our poor murderers from other countries, or send $$ to them.... Actually it appears the murderers are getting more attention in reality, enough is enough of that bs !!
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 24, 2014 19:01:43 GMT -6
Kindly figure out a way to ask your hypothetical questions without absurd references to murder victims. There are people in this forum, as you well know, who don't care an iota for such. Respect their feelings. Thank you. I do realise that the question could be posed in a slightly more thoughtful manner. . We know"" you "realise" that question could be posed in a more thoughtful manner. Yet, of course you wanted your post to be posed exactly the way you did.
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Post by Donnie on Apr 26, 2014 9:39:46 GMT -6
I do realise that the question could be posed in a slightly more thoughtful manner. The point still stands, though - those left behind after the execution deserves the same support, compassion and consideration in the sentencing phase as those left behind by the murder. The lack of support for the friends and relatives of inmate compared to the support given to the friends and relatives of the murder victims, is a travesty and a tragedy. For a point to stand it must have some height to it and it must be above ground. The supposed "point" fails both tests. The legions of shallow do-gooders and professional murderer-glorifiers provide more than enough support for the people who failed to prevent their friend or family member from becoming a murderer.
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Post by kingsindanger on Apr 27, 2014 20:05:11 GMT -6
Kindly figure out a way to ask your hypothetical questions without absurd references to murder victims. There are people in this forum, as you well know, who don't care an iota for such. Respect their feelings. Thank you. I do realise that the question could be posed in a slightly more thoughtful manner. The point still stands, though - those left behind after the execution deserves the same support, compassion and consideration in the sentencing phase as those left behind by the murder. The lack of support for the friends and relatives of inmate compared to the support given to the friends and relatives of the murder victims, is a travesty and a tragedy. This statement ranks among the dumbest comments I have ever seen.
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Post by Californian on Apr 29, 2014 12:53:19 GMT -6
I do realise that the question could be posed in a slightly more thoughtful manner. The point still stands, though - those left behind after the execution deserves the same support, compassion and consideration in the sentencing phase as those left behind by the murder. The lack of support for the friends and relatives of inmate compared to the support given to the friends and relatives of the murder victims, is a travesty and a tragedy.
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Post by Stormyweather on Apr 30, 2014 8:41:48 GMT -6
The title might need explaining - what I'm asking, is for the MVS`s to imagine how they would react if their loved one was the murderer, rather than the victim. Would you still support the death penalty with the same vigour? I'd try as hard as possible not to let people know I was related to the murderer.
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Post by Stormyweather on Apr 30, 2014 8:44:58 GMT -6
Yeah what a title if your "victim" was the murderer . Only a twisted mind would see a murderer as a victim, even if it was my son who commited a capital murder I could never see him as the victim.... I did not mind amusing fugly, even here we had freezing temps & ice last night & most of the day. I had time to play. This is not the first time someone has tried to make the murderer into a victim.
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Post by Stormyweather on Apr 30, 2014 8:46:52 GMT -6
The title might need explaining - what I'm asking, is for the MVS`s to imagine how they would react if their loved one was the murderer, rather than the victim. Would you still support the death penalty with the same vigour? You don't need to explain yourself, we know you for what you are a murderer sympathizer.
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Post by Stormyweather on Apr 30, 2014 8:51:43 GMT -6
Kindly figure out a way to ask your hypothetical questions without absurd references to murder victims. There are people in this forum, as you well know, who don't care an iota for such. Respect their feelings. Thank you. I do realise that the question could be posed in a slightly more thoughtful manner. The point still stands, though - those left behind after the execution deserves the same support, compassion and consideration in the sentencing phase as those left behind by the murder. The lack of support for the friends and relatives of inmate compared to the support given to the friends and relatives of the murder victims, is a travesty and a tragedy. No they don't deserve the "same" support!
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Post by Stormyweather on Apr 30, 2014 8:54:14 GMT -6
The title might need explaining - what I'm asking, is for the MVS`s to imagine how they would react if their loved one was the murderer, rather than the victim. Would you still support the death penalty with the same vigour? Why not simply ask whether any murderers deserve pity or compassion, or why some deserve it and others don't. Well if you don't realize it then I'll tell you, Fuglyville thinks they "all" deserve compassion! At least that's how Fugly comes across to me.
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Post by Stormyweather on Apr 30, 2014 9:02:31 GMT -6
The title might need explaining - what I'm asking, is for the MVS`s to imagine how they would react if their loved one was the murderer, rather than the victim. Would you still support the death penalty with the same vigour? A murderer is not a "victim" but a "felon" and the "perpetrator".
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 30, 2014 13:32:10 GMT -6
Yeah what a title if your "victim" was the murderer . Only a twisted mind would see a murderer as a victim, even if it was my son who commited a capital murder I could never see him as the victim.... I did not mind amusing fugly, even here we had freezing temps & ice last night & most of the day. I had time to play. This is not the first time someone has tried to make the murderer into a victim. Oh I know there are other twisted minds out there, yet fugly has proven out to personally be (not an anti) but a murderer lover.
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Post by iamjumbo on May 16, 2014 10:48:06 GMT -6
Kindly figure out a way to ask your hypothetical questions without absurd references to murder victims. There are people in this forum, as you well know, who don't care an iota for such. Respect their feelings. Thank you. I do realise that the question could be posed in a slightly more thoughtful manner. The point still stands, though - those left behind after the execution deserves the same support, compassion and consideration in the sentencing phase as those left behind by the murder. The lack of support for the friends and relatives of inmate compared to the support given to the friends and relatives of the murder victims, is a travesty and a tragedy. are you truly that stupid, or do you just like practicing? if the family and friends of a totally worthless piece of *crap* are decent people, they will be celebrating the fact that the garbage was removed from their family
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Post by iamjumbo on May 16, 2014 10:51:25 GMT -6
The title might need explaining - what I'm asking, is for the MVS`s to imagine how they would react if their loved one was the murderer, rather than the victim. Would you still support the death penalty with the same vigour? I'd try as hard as possible not to let people know I was related to the murderer. EVERY decent person would
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