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Post by fuglyville on Oct 4, 2015 14:27:30 GMT -6
The capital punishment process is fraught with secrecy - both the procedures themselves, and the names of the people involved. If the executions are done in the name of the people - shouldn't the people have a right to know how it's done, and who's involved? No one is forcing anyone to be a prison official or participate in executions - if people still choose to do so, we should have a right to know. Yes, people involved in killing others may get in trouble - but just like other murderers, they chose it themselves and should accept responsibility for their actions.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 4, 2015 16:59:58 GMT -6
Typically, single-issue extremism emerges as an ultra-radical wing of a much broader social or political movement, a wing so agitated about its chosen cause that its adherents may come to believe that violence in the service of that cause is justified or even required.
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Post by bernard on Oct 4, 2015 17:29:05 GMT -6
The capital punishment process is fraught with secrecy - both the procedures themselves, and the names of the people involved. If the executions are done in the name of the people - shouldn't the people have a right to know how it's done, and who's involved? No one is forcing anyone to be a prison official or participate in executions - if people still choose to do so, we should have a right to know. Yes, people involved in killing others may get in trouble - but just like other murderers, they chose it themselves and should accept responsibility for their actions. Because killing a restrained coward is not really something to be proud of is it? If your kid says he wants to be a firefighter, great. A cop or a soldier? Terrific. A scientist? No worries. A doctor, a teacher, a circus performer? Okay. Even if your kid says he wants to work at the IRS, that kid's a strange one but okay. It's only when your kid says he wants to be on the strap-down team that you start to worry.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 4, 2015 18:30:49 GMT -6
It's only when your kid says he wants to be on the strap-down team that you start to worry. Like anti abortionist?
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Post by bernard on Oct 5, 2015 5:18:12 GMT -6
I don't understand what you are saying whitediamonds.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 5, 2015 10:28:26 GMT -6
I don't understand what you are saying whitediamonds. Anti abortion would hate to have their kid who is a a doctor, perform abortions too. Secrecy protects lives from anti's who threaten lives for doing so in both area's, abortion or DP Even victims themselves.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 5, 2015 11:08:29 GMT -6
The capital punishment process is fraught with secrecy - both the procedures themselves, and the names of the people involved. If the executions are done in the name of the people - shouldn't the people have a right to know how it's done, and who's involved? No one is forcing anyone to be a prison official or participate in executions - if people still choose to do so, we should have a right to know. Yes, people involved in killing others may get in trouble - but just like other murderers, they chose it themselves and should accept responsibility for their actions. Of all posters who talk's of why secrecy, fuglyville lol
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 5, 2015 11:26:53 GMT -6
Yes, people involved in killing others may get in trouble - but just like other murderers, they chose it themselves and should accept responsibility for their actions. Why would they be in trouble?? Maybe like crazies do, make public the addy, phone numbers? Due to they do not agree with abortions or DP ? Having or allowing the crazies the information out there to do the murder for you? Then take the responsibility for your part in an illegal murder fuglyville.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 5, 2015 14:07:07 GMT -6
The capital punishment process is fraught with secrecy - both the procedures themselves, and the names of the people involved. If the executions are done in the name of the people - shouldn't the people have a right to know how it's done, and who's involved? No one is forcing anyone to be a prison official or participate in executions - if people still choose to do so, we should have a right to know. Yes, people involved in killing others may get in trouble - but just like other murderers, they chose it themselves and should accept responsibility for their actions. Because killing a restrained coward is not really something to be proud of is it? If your kid says he wants to be a firefighter, great. A cop or a soldier? Terrific. A scientist? No worries. A doctor, a teacher, a circus performer? Okay. Even if your kid says he wants to work at the IRS, that kid's a strange one but okay. It's only when your kid says he wants to be on the strap-down team that you start to worry. If your kid wants to be on the strap-down team, you should worry.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 5, 2015 14:13:54 GMT -6
Because killing a restrained coward is not really something to be proud of is it? If your kid says he wants to be a firefighter, great. A cop or a soldier? Terrific. A scientist? No worries. A doctor, a teacher, a circus performer? Okay. Even if your kid says he wants to work at the IRS, that kid's a strange one but okay. It's only when your kid says he wants to be on the strap-down team that you start to worry. If your kid wants to be on the strap-down team, you should worry. Not at all would I worry, I have never heard of one execution where anyone involved went on to slaughter an innocent in society.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 5, 2015 14:15:10 GMT -6
I don't understand what you are saying whitediamonds. Anti abortion would hate to have their kid who is a a doctor, perform abortions too. Secrecy protects lives from anti's who threaten lives for doing so in both area's, abortion or DP Even victims themselves. If they didn't choose to participate in the executions, they wouldn't be in trouble. When you kill someone, the least you can do is be responsible for your actions - and if that gets you in trouble, that's tough luck.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 5, 2015 14:23:24 GMT -6
Anti abortion would hate to have their kid who is a a doctor, perform abortions too. Secrecy protects lives from anti's who threaten lives for doing so in both area's, abortion or DP Even victims themselves. If they didn't choose to participate in the executions, they wouldn't be in trouble. When you kill someone, the least you can do is be responsible for your actions - and if that gets you in trouble, that's tough luck. No, tough luck is illegal activity. Fuglyville, with your many post over the yrs, you do not like officials , police & even attitude towards an MVS here, your consistent defense/aid for criminals & murderers, I think maybe you should be watched as a possible terrorist sympathizer...for real !!!
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 5, 2015 14:25:11 GMT -6
Anti abortion would hate to have their kid who is a a doctor, perform abortions too. Secrecy protects lives from anti's who threaten lives for doing so in both area's, abortion or DP Even victims themselves. If they didn't choose to participate in the executions, they wouldn't be in trouble. When you kill someone, the least you can do is be responsible for your actions - and if that gets you in trouble, that's tough luck. Your responsible to not give a heads up to crazies.
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Post by bernard on Oct 5, 2015 17:20:06 GMT -6
Because killing a restrained coward is not really something to be proud of is it? If your kid says he wants to be a firefighter, great. A cop or a soldier? Terrific. A scientist? No worries. A doctor, a teacher, a circus performer? Okay. Even if your kid says he wants to work at the IRS, that kid's a strange one but okay. It's only when your kid says he wants to be on the strap-down team that you start to worry. If your kid wants to be on the strap-down team, you should worry. Yup. In fact I think normal parents would worry if their kid came here arguing for the DP. Which kinda says something.
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Post by bernard on Oct 5, 2015 17:27:41 GMT -6
The capital punishment process is fraught with secrecy - both the procedures themselves, and the names of the people involved. If the executions are done in the name of the people - shouldn't the people have a right to know how it's done, and who's involved? No one is forcing anyone to be a prison official or participate in executions - if people still choose to do so, we should have a right to know. Yes, people involved in killing others may get in trouble - but just like other murderers, they chose it themselves and should accept responsibility for their actions. Because it's easier to kill a man when it is hidden away, in a closed chamber behind glass and curtains, by invitation only, with no blood. If it were a bullet to the head in the public square, televised, that would be a better deterrent AND less likely to result in a drawn out painful death. But pros are too squeamish for that.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 5, 2015 18:02:31 GMT -6
If your kid wants to be on the strap-down team, you should worry. Yup. In fact I think normal parents would worry if their kid came here arguing for the DP. Which kinda says something. Ridiculous, no kid I ever heard of arguing for the DP, when I talk about a kid who grew up & was an official or took part in executions I would not worry. As most parents we all see our children as our kids no matter what their age, is what I was referring to since the topic went to those who DO executions. I am sure no kid planned as a minor to grow up to be an person who is part of the executions, or even prison guards, there sure are kids ( minors) who want to grow up to be police, or firefighters. Now if minor grew up hurting animals or other children I would worry.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 5, 2015 18:10:10 GMT -6
The capital punishment process is fraught with secrecy - both the procedures themselves, and the names of the people involved. If the executions are done in the name of the people - shouldn't the people have a right to know how it's done, and who's involved? No one is forcing anyone to be a prison official or participate in executions - if people still choose to do so, we should have a right to know. Yes, people involved in killing others may get in trouble - but just like other murderers, they chose it themselves and should accept responsibility for their actions. Because it's easier to kill a man when it is hidden away, in a closed chamber behind glass and curtains, by invitation only, with no blood. If it were a bullet to the head in the public square, televised, that would be a better deterrent AND less likely to result in a drawn out painful death. But pros are too squeamish for that. Right butt head, witness's from the news are there too, curtains are open once they begin, why would there be massive amounts of blood to witness? Are you suggesting they heinously slaughter them behind closed doors ( like victims of). Defense attorneys are witness too, are they hiding information too? Idiots. Nothing really hidden. From the get go the killer has all the attention, even once sentenced inside the walls, pp's,money like he is famous his/her name all over & victims names immediately forgotten, as well as the victims loved ones. Exactly the attention murderers love.
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Post by bernard on Oct 5, 2015 23:15:57 GMT -6
I am sure no kid planned as a minor to grow up to be an person who is part of the executions, That's my point. If your kid had that ambition you would be concerned. Yes, because those jobs are associated with heroism. But there is nothing heroic about poisoning an incapacitated coward. Why would any normal kid want to have such a job?
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Post by bernard on Oct 5, 2015 23:24:08 GMT -6
Because it's easier to kill a man when it is hidden away, in a closed chamber behind glass and curtains, by invitation only, with no blood. If it were a bullet to the head in the public square, televised, that would be a better deterrent AND less likely to result in a drawn out painful death. But pros are too squeamish for that. Right butt head, witness's from the news are there too, curtains are open once they begin, That's right. The curtains are open for as long as the creep looks like he's being put gently to sleep. But if he starts gasping and choking and looking like he is actually being killed, then they close the curtain. #squeamish No. I said that if pros were actually interested in deterrent, they would support the execution occurring in public and on television. And they would want it to be as bloody and terrifying as possible. That needn't compromise the 8th, though. A bullet to the brain will put you out before you know that head integrity has been compromised. There is nothing more humane. What are you rambling on about? The homicide is bloodless and hidden from the public because, if we replaced it with televised blood-letting, the public would find it barbaric and would turn against it. In other words, lots of PROs would turn ANTI because they couldn't stomach the brutal spectacle of a man's brains being splashed to the four winds in full public view. #squeamish You're wandering badly off topic. Nobody is talking about whether His Preciousness is getting the attention he craves. Nobody cares.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 6, 2015 8:52:29 GMT -6
I am sure no kid planned as a minor to grow up to be an person who is part of the executions, That's my point. If your kid had that ambition you would be concerned. Yes, because those jobs are associated with heroism. But there is nothing heroic about poisoning an incapacitated coward. Why would any normal kid want to have such a job? No kid would but an adult would because it is justice done.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 6, 2015 9:04:16 GMT -6
[quote source="/post/626422/thread" timestamp="1444090210" author=" You're wandering badly off topic. Nobody is talking about whether His Preciousness is getting the attention he craves. Nobody cares. Wrong dead wrong the public is sick of Precious getting the attention, recently it is showing & being talked about in the news on this recent shooter. Damn right we care. Forget their name & we do care they want that attention, which will not get as in the past. You saying no one cares is BS, F' their name Killers) it is about the victims. That is a current topic, & serious so I am not wondering off badly by bringing it up. I see you not everyone else is the one who just stated you do not care...figures.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 6, 2015 11:13:21 GMT -6
[quote source="/post/626422/thread" timestamp="1444090210" author=" You're wandering badly off topic. Nobody is talking about whether His Preciousness is getting the attention he craves. Nobody cares. Wrong dead wrong the public is sick of Precious getting the attention, recently it is showing & being talked about in the news on this recent shooter. Damn right we care. Forget their name & we do care they want that attention, which will not get as in the past. You saying no one cares is BS, F' their name Killers) it is about the victims. That is a current topic, & serious so I am not wondering off badly by bringing it up. I see you not everyone else is the one who just stated you do not care...figures. The execution is not about the victim - it never has been.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 6, 2015 11:43:59 GMT -6
Wrong dead wrong the public is sick of Precious getting the attention, recently it is showing & being talked about in the news on this recent shooter. Damn right we care. Forget their name & we do care they want that attention, which will not get as in the past. You saying no one cares is BS, F' their name Killers) it is about the victims. That is a current topic, & serious so I am not wondering off badly by bringing it up. I see you not everyone else is the one who just stated you do not care...figures. The execution is not about the victim - it never has been. To reach DR it had to begin with a victim/victims, so actually that is what it is about Victims", the result is then about the killer who faces the execution.
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Post by bernard on Oct 6, 2015 14:47:28 GMT -6
[quote source="/post/626422/thread" timestamp="1444090210" author=" You're wandering badly off topic. Nobody is talking about whether His Preciousness is getting the attention he craves. Nobody cares. Wrong dead wrong the public is sick of Precious getting the attention, recently it is showing & being talked about in the news on this recent shooter. If he's already getting too much attention, why are you bringing him up again? He has nothing to do with this thread, whose topic is secrecy in the dp protocol. Try to maintain focus.
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Post by bernard on Oct 6, 2015 14:49:39 GMT -6
That's my point. If your kid had that ambition you would be concerned. Yes, because those jobs are associated with heroism. But there is nothing heroic about poisoning an incapacitated coward. Why would any normal kid want to have such a job? No kid would but an adult would because it is justice done. If a kid said "When I grow up I want to see justice done. I want to be on the strap-down team!" any normal parent would call a shrink.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 6, 2015 15:09:55 GMT -6
No kid would but an adult would because it is justice done. If a kid said "When I grow up I want to see justice done. I want to be on the strap-down team!" any normal parent would call a shrink. No a kid wants to do good by being a police officer, now when the kid grows up he knows about prison.trials, sentences come with it to follow the laws. And has to witness many heinous crime scenes of horror done, which they tape off so the public does not have to witness, take photos mean't for investigations & used in trials to witness. Sadly the victims family have to see the horror & the bodies to confirm it is their loved one/ones remains " if any". Why do they not plaster that all over the news crime scene photo's? In your thinking we are the tax payers nothing should be held back to see. Lets make all of it an event. When they have a televised court trial, why is it kept from the public & blocked when they show the crime scene with the bodies still in death found position at the scene? Why is that kept secret? Tax payers are paying for this too...
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Post by rocky1 on Oct 6, 2015 16:14:00 GMT -6
Keeping the names of the people who perform an execution of the disgusting murderer ensures that ADP people won't t try to turn the execution into a circus. Why would would you want to know? To harass and threaten? I just witnessed Alfedo Prieto executed in VA, and it was Justice. That's the bottom line- Justice. Names, coddling serial killers, what specific drug mean little except for the adp advocates to attempt to disrupt the process. Your the one with the secrecy, your not telling the real reason why you want the names. It has nothing to do with a free society, it's just an attempt to go after people carrying out Justice. To intimidate, harass, and add more pain to the victims families all in the name of your distorted view. So, tell your truth, and end your secrecy.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 6, 2015 16:17:22 GMT -6
[quote source="/post/626402/thread" timestamp="1443990450" author=" If it were a bullet to the head in the public square, televised, that would be a better deterrent AND less likely to result in a drawn out painful death. But pros are too squeamish for that. Yes, a bullet to the head would make more sense. It is the anti's & defense attny's that took us all around the block & " tortured" the inmate not the pros' to begin with, now we came full circle. Look at the recent executions, the DP stay'd how many times due to nonsense & how many yr's before carried out? Yes, stop the cruel & unusual toward the convict & all the families involved thru the anti movement is doing when they are guilty as charged. Now we must televise the crime scene while victims are in position/condition left in, not keep it locked up in court records too. No secrets at all.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 6, 2015 16:24:58 GMT -6
Keeping the names of the people who perform an execution of the disgusting murderer ensures that ADP people won't t try to turn the execution into a circus. Why would would you want to know? To harass and threaten? I just witnessed Alfedo Prieto executed in VA, and it was Justice. That's the bottom line- Justice. Names, coddling serial killers, what specific drug mean little except for the adp advocates to attempt to disrupt the process. Your the one with the secrecy, your not telling the real reason why you want the names. It has nothing to do with a free society, it's just an attempt to go after people carrying out Justice. To intimidate, harass, and add more pain to the victims families all in the name of your distorted view. So, tell your truth, and end your secrecy. Point on !!! Agree
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 6, 2015 16:48:07 GMT -6
Keeping the names of the people who perform an execution of the disgusting murderer ensures that ADP people won't t try to turn the execution into a circus. Why would would you want to know? To harass and threaten? I just witnessed Alfedo Prieto executed in VA, and it was Justice. That's the bottom line- Justice. Names, coddling serial killers, what specific drug mean little except for the adp advocates to attempt to disrupt the process. Your the one with the secrecy, your not telling the real reason why you want the names. It has nothing to do with a free society, it's just an attempt to go after people carrying out Justice. To intimidate, harass, and add more pain to the victims families all in the name of your distorted view. So, tell your truth, and end your secrecy. Point on !!! Agree The reason I want to end the secrecy, is because those involved in carrying out an execution deliberately chooses to participate in killing a fellow human being - and the secrecy means they'll never have to answer for it. If you kill someone with an axe in a shed, you end up in a court of law - if you kill someone with sodium pentothal within the walls of a prison, you get a paycheck. There's something fundamentally wrong here. And the fact that the death penalty is legal, is a *bullcrap* argument - the Holocaust was legal, that doesn't mean it was right.
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