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Post by bernard on Jul 2, 2015 13:37:02 GMT -6
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 2, 2015 15:03:28 GMT -6
Barney, I believe you just answered your own question in your post. Who would have known if NO media or witness's ..Would prison officials be forth coming on what happened or what Lockett said...or any of it? As far as the victims family who witness the executions, that is none of your business or mine.
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Post by bernard on Jul 3, 2015 0:17:19 GMT -6
Barney, I believe you just answered your own question in your post. Who would have known if NO media or witness's ..Would prison officials be forth coming on what happened or what Lockett said...or any of it? As far as the victims family who witness the executions, that is none of your business or mine. And what happens if the witnesses are dismayed by the ineptitude of the medically untrained halfwits administering the juice, who just inject into the meat when they can't find a vein? What happens if they witness a travesty of an execution? Nothing. The curtain is closed to spare them the graphics. Then they go home. Perhaps they grumble to the Huffington Post, but that's as far as it goes. But it makes me wonder if I have been wrongly assuming that the witnesses are supposed to play a role in ensuring a competent execution. I don't remember ever looking that up and having it directly confirmed. So maybe I just made it up. I tried to google the answer but had no luck. I figured the people around here would know if anyone did. What's left of them I mean.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 3, 2015 8:36:32 GMT -6
In 1999 the institution of Medicine published the famous " Err is Human" . People die because of mistakes in hospitals.
The curtain is closed in hospital rooms too when things get graphic. Then people family go home or wait until over.
Big difference" intention is to end the life"of the executed. Rare for executions to go amoke, unlike the 1000's who die in hospitals thru error.
Not to forget the approved medications that end up killing or harming health instead. For a minor med I get a print out of all the bad effects it can bring with it is long............................long print out.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 3, 2015 9:47:28 GMT -6
Barney, I believe you just answered your own question in your post. Who would have known if NO media or witness's ..Would prison officials be forth coming on what happened or what Lockett said...or any of it? As far as the victims family who witness the executions, that is none of your business or mine. But it makes me wonder if I have been wrongly assuming that the witnesses are supposed to play a role in ensuring a competent execution. Your assuming is wrong. Witness's are there to over see the procedure is"completed" & others for personal reasons who were directly affected, how could they even view if the needle went into a vein or just the meat? If you had been there personally would you have noticed that Barney, hospital surgery or execution chamber? It happens. Don't forget there is not just one doctor in the surgery room at a hospital, & errors fatal errors still happen. Atleast in this execution the intent was to end life not save it.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 3, 2015 10:04:52 GMT -6
Barney, I believe you just answered your own question in your post. Who would have known if NO media or witness's ..Would prison officials be forth coming on what happened or what Lockett said...or any of it? As far as the victims family who witness the executions, that is none of your business or mine. I tried to google the answer but had no luck. I figured the people around here would know if anyone did. What's left of them I mean. Guess many got tired of repeating themselves for yrs & the debate goes no where. So, even google had no answer for you either....
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Post by bernard on Jul 3, 2015 16:12:48 GMT -6
Big difference" intention is to end the life"of the executed. Rare for executions to go amoke, unlike the 1000's who die in hospitals thru error. There are millions of medical procedures per year. Even if thousands go wrong, that is a small percentage. There are only a few executions per year. And several go wrong.
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Post by bernard on Jul 3, 2015 16:25:16 GMT -6
In 1999 the institution of Medicine published the famous " Err is Human" . People die because of mistakes in hospitals. The curtain is closed in hospital rooms too when things get graphic. Then people family go home or wait until over. Yes but the people in hospital rooms aren't there as official "witnesses" are they?
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Post by bernard on Jul 3, 2015 16:26:40 GMT -6
But it makes me wonder if I have been wrongly assuming that the witnesses are supposed to play a role in ensuring a competent execution. Your assuming is wrong. Witness's are there to over see the procedure is"completed" Can anybody confirm this? Preferably someone without a history of made-up facts and misunderstandings. Maybe even someone who provides links.
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Post by bernard on Jul 3, 2015 16:27:51 GMT -6
In 1999 the institution of Medicine published the famous " Err is Human" . That's "To Err is Human". But I appreciate the irony.
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Post by bernard on Jul 3, 2015 16:29:44 GMT -6
I tried to google the answer but had no luck. I figured the people around here would know if anyone did. What's left of them I mean. Guess many got tired of repeating themselves for yrs & the debate goes no where. So, even google had no answer for you either.... I always took breaks in order to relieve the tedium of the pro's repeated fallacies. Usually about 3 years does the trick. It's amazing what you can find out on Google. But no.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 3, 2015 16:58:39 GMT -6
In 1999 the institution of Medicine published the famous " Err is Human" . That's "To Err is Human". But I appreciate the irony. If it was on purpose trying to make Lockett someone suffer that would be a whole other issue, that was not the case.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 3, 2015 17:01:23 GMT -6
Can anybody confirm this? Preferably someone without a history of made-up facts and misunderstandings. Maybe even someone who provides links. Find it yourself which seems you cannot, maybe your secretary can. I hate lazy people.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 3, 2015 17:03:29 GMT -6
Big difference" intention is to end the life"of the executed. Rare for executions to go amoke, unlike the 1000's who die in hospitals thru error. There are millions of medical procedures per year. Even if thousands go wrong, that is a small percentage. There are only a few executions per year. And several go wrong. Several go wrong? Not in Texas
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 3, 2015 17:05:49 GMT -6
Guess many got tired of repeating themselves for yrs & the debate goes no where. So, even google had no answer for you either.... I always took breaks in order to relieve the tedium of the pro's repeated fallacies. Usually about 3 years does the trick. It's amazing what you can find out on Google. But no. Anti's repeated fallacies/fantasy. Take a break Barney & google away.
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Post by bernard on Jul 3, 2015 17:08:11 GMT -6
That's "To Err is Human". But I appreciate the irony. If it was on purpose trying to make Lockett someone suffer that would be a whole other issue, that was not the case. You're right. They were only trying to kill him on purpose.
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Post by bernard on Jul 3, 2015 17:09:12 GMT -6
Can anybody confirm this? Preferably someone without a history of made-up facts and misunderstandings. Maybe even someone who provides links. Find it yourself which seems you cannot, maybe your secretary can. I hate lazy people. How does trying and failing make me lazy?
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Post by bernard on Jul 3, 2015 17:12:26 GMT -6
There are millions of medical procedures per year. Even if thousands go wrong, that is a small percentage. There are only a few executions per year. And several go wrong. Several go wrong? Not in Texas So far. That's because Texas received the correct LI drugs on "the down low". Until the pharmaceutical company was revealed and they backed out. Now Texas is in the same boat as the others.
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Post by bernard on Jul 3, 2015 17:13:34 GMT -6
I always took breaks in order to relieve the tedium of the pro's repeated fallacies. Usually about 3 years does the trick. It's amazing what you can find out on Google. But no. Anti's repeated fallacies/fantasy. Take a break Barney & google away. No. I like the idea of being the last person standing on this forum. Makes it feel as if I won.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 3, 2015 17:38:30 GMT -6
Anti's repeated fallacies/fantasy. Take a break Barney & google away. No. I like the idea of being the last person standing on this forum. Makes it feel as if I won. Typical anti thinking.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 3, 2015 17:41:21 GMT -6
If it was on purpose trying to make Lockett someone suffer that would be a whole other issue, that was not the case. You're right. They were only trying to kill him on purpose. Yeah but not to suffer like he did.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 3, 2015 17:49:20 GMT -6
Big difference" intention is to end the life"of the executed. Rare for executions to go amoke, unlike the 1000's who die in hospitals thru error. There are millions of medical procedures per year. Even if thousands go wrong, that is a small percentage. There are only a few executions per year. And several go wrong. Goodnight Barney, this is a holiday weekend, some folks have a life. Of course high security going on due to the creeps you spend your time defending as they take lives. Stay safe Barney.
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Post by bernard on Jul 4, 2015 0:45:35 GMT -6
No. I like the idea of being the last person standing on this forum. Makes it feel as if I won. Typical anti thinking. Apparently not, since I'm the only anti left.
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Post by bernard on Jul 4, 2015 0:46:38 GMT -6
You're right. They were only trying to kill him on purpose. Yeah but not to suffer like he did. No, just to die. I wonder what you'd think if a murderer made that distinction.
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Post by bernard on Jul 4, 2015 0:47:45 GMT -6
There are millions of medical procedures per year. Even if thousands go wrong, that is a small percentage. There are only a few executions per year. And several go wrong. Goodnight Barney, this is a holiday weekend, some folks have a life. Some do. Then there's the people still here.
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Post by bernard on Jul 4, 2015 0:48:29 GMT -6
Of course high security going on due to the creeps you spend your time defending as they take lives. Could you name a creep I have spent my time defending?
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Post by Californian on Jul 6, 2015 12:36:59 GMT -6
Could you name a creep I have spent my time defending? Bernard.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 6, 2015 19:17:44 GMT -6
Could you name a creep I have spent my time defending? [/quote]
Barney
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Post by bernard on Jul 7, 2015 2:04:45 GMT -6
Could you name a creep I have spent my time defending? Bernard.
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Post by bernard on Jul 7, 2015 2:05:49 GMT -6
What is it they say about great minds?
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