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Post by DeadElvis on Feb 28, 2006 10:09:36 GMT -6
Oh Joe you are to funny. You have had 3 wifes now??? Well I can't say I'm suprised that you can't keep a woman happy. What I am shocked at is you got three woman to marry you in the first place. I hope and pray no one near you ever commits murder for you will be forced to one day eat your words. Again, I say, no one thought they knew someone who was likely to murder either. I never expected anyone here to give me support or love. However, I do find it odd that everyone here but you has treated with great respect. Keep talking Joe, you are putting your foot in your mouth so much that soon everyone here will see you for the real fool you are. See Joe, you just don't have the right "stuff" to get the "real" women like the above poster. There is still hope, though. Just mass murder a handful of folks, rape a couple of their dead bodies, dismember another couple of bodies, and get yourself on DR. Then you can write some bad poetry and filter through all the letters from the deathphile sick witches that get off on that stuff. Find the saddest, sickest, groupie wannabe and tell her " um . . . It wasn't me, i'm innocent." She'll be your most steadfast supporter. (Although, she probably is just creaming her pants at the chance to be invited to your execution.) If that somehow fails to attract the vultures from the gutter, just "convert" to religion and get yourself a goofy baseball hat with a cross on it and that will get their attention for sure. i'm assuming, of course, that you actually want the company of a pathetic idiot who gets off on murderers and has the gall to criticize the family of regular non-murdering folks like yourself. |
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Post by dennis25 on Feb 28, 2006 10:19:25 GMT -6
Nice one, Ima ;D ;D ;D Well, he's still not that popular with women as Richard Ramirez  I have a hugh retraction to make. It has come to my attention that Joe has had three wives?? Anything I have ever said about American women I now take back as it is obvious to me that their generosity knows no bounds! ;D ;D I thought he had an asian women. |
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Post by josephdphillips on Feb 28, 2006 10:51:43 GMT -6
See Joe, you just don't have the right "stuff" to get the "real" women like the above poster. There is still hope, though. Just mass murder a handful of folks, rape a couple of their dead bodies, dismember another couple of bodies, and get yourself on DR. Then you can write some bad poetry and filter through all the letters from the deathphile sick witches that get off on that stuff. Find the saddest, sickest, groupie wannabe and tell her " um . . . It wasn't me, i'm innocent." She'll be your most steadfast supporter. (Although, she probably is just creaming her pants at the chance to be invited to your execution.) If that somehow fails to attract the vultures from the gutter, just "convert" to religion and get yourself a goofy baseball hat with a cross on it and that will get their attention for sure. i'm assuming, of course, that you actually want the company of a pathetic idiot who gets off on murderers and have the gall to criticize the family regular non-murdering folks like yourself. Many thanks, Kevin. I won't take marital advice from someone whose husband is on death row, particularly since the giver of such advice, in this instance, appears to be none other than The Creature from the Other Board.  I don't know why it insists on coming here. Moth to a flame, I guess.  Judy, Judy, Judy do ya love me.....
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Post by californian on Feb 28, 2006 10:53:57 GMT -6
Of course she could have. All she had to do was what 99% of all Americans do: avoid people on DR. [/b] but maybe it was the emotional part of her that wanted to visit someone on DR. And if she had that emotion, so be it. I normally go to a pop concert to meet new people or hang out in a coffeeshop, but maybe Ima wanted to meet someone on Dr. I don't see anything wrong with it. [/quote] On the other hand, maybe she's just one of your dumber scumpals who got sucked in by a DR inmate's con. You know, the emotional need to be near someone who is demonstrably criminally dangerous, yet can't hurt her? A sick thrill, in other words. And, of course, part of that sick thrill is coming here and telling us all about it. |
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Post by josephdphillips on Feb 28, 2006 10:57:54 GMT -6
I've answered this several times. You seem to think of murderers as an oppressed minority, unworthy of public opprobrium, and the slain as unworthy of mention. There are probably hundreds of readers of this board who know exactly why I hate murderers. The big question is why you don't. circumventive answer, anyway...why should I hate somebody I don't know?? Maybe I would hate my own murderer or the murderer of my mother. So I understand the opinion of murder victim relatives like Charlene. But that doesn't mean that you have to hate every murderer. You don't know them. You don't know why a Thommy Gudinas (FL) or a Corey Jennings (TX) became a murderer (in the case of Gudinas it isn't astonishing and you haven't to be Freud to see this). You don't know their lives, their backgrounds, their reasons. So you have no reasons to hate them. I think nobody should hate unknowns. Myself I hate the people who abused/coerced me, and sometimes I wished I had have the courage to stab my butcher knife between their ribbs. And in the end I am glad I haven't had it. Because hate breeds hate. I know both sides. And I've known men who turned from kind-hearted men to monsters. And I also know how it feels to stand in front of a person with a buchter knife...you don't even need much power. It would have been so easy to show him the pain I felt, to give him all back. Hate a man/woman if you have a reason for. Don't judge people if you don't know them. Ladies and gentlemen, the guiding principle of the murdererphile, detailed above -- get to know a brutal, vicious killer before you judge him. |
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Post by dennis25 on Feb 28, 2006 10:59:57 GMT -6
Maybe she had the emotional need to visit someone on DR or the sensible need as she went there after she read something in the Bible or so. [/b] but maybe it was the emotional part of her that wanted to visit someone on DR. And if she had that emotion, so be it. I normally go to a pop concert to meet new people or hang out in a coffeeshop, but maybe Ima wanted to meet someone on Dr. I don't see anything wrong with it. [/quote] On the other hand, maybe she's just one of your dumber scumpals who got sucked in by a DR inmate's con. You know, the emotional need to be near someone who is demonstrably criminally dangerous, yet can't hurt her? A sick thrill, in other words. And, of course, part of that sick thrill is coming here and telling us all about it. [/quote] We both don't know Ima, so why do you judge her ? Why do you judge her feelings ? You don't know how she feels and if she felt the need to contact a DR inmate, than it's her emotional feeling. Why don't you understand that  Some women like to start a relation with a pop star, some with a sportsman, some with lawyers, some with millionaires and some with DR inmates. What's the big deal ? |
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Post by josephdphillips on Feb 28, 2006 11:06:44 GMT -6
I've done work for the local archdiocese, Bigmama. I expect a vigorous debate. Joseph, I have a lot of respect for you but for you to equate Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa as murderer lovers really trivializes your opposition to true murderer lovers/sympathizers. Simply, these two dedicated their entire lives to the service of God over everything else. I'm not about to sit here and try to defend every thing the Catholic Church or any of its leaders has ever said or done, and I've no idea what your issue with the local archdiocese is, but believe me, I've got a few myself, but that's an entirely different point. I don't want to vigorously debate it with you, there is really nothing to debate. We're so far apart on so many levels that there's really no point and will only give rise to more "they traffic in human misery" type comments, which really hurt me. Nor would I dare to presume myself qualified to debate on behalf of either of them, much less the Church, even though I was raised and still consider myself Roman Catholic. More than anything I just wanted to express that I have nothing but the highest respect and admiration for Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa, who were beloved by and an inspiration and example to millions, but obviously you're entitled to opine otherwise. That said, I'll just get back to mostly agreeing with you as to the proper and just punishment for murderers. OK, I had that coming. I should have explained myself better. The Pope, as the so-called Vicar of Christ, and the entire clergy of the Catholic Church are not bad people per se. However, their entire moral philosphy rests on an unproved, hypothetical existence of two circumstances: (1) an afterlife with two, opposite destinations and (2) an interested deity to judge and direct incoming arrivals. Based on these premises, they conclude the temporal life isn't all that important. Suffering is good and the avoidance of suffering is bad. Furthermore, the Church, more than any other institution in human history, actively discourages and discredits critical thinking and vigorous intellectual inquiry. Not only are devout Catholics prisoners of their biology, they can't even enjoy a dirty movie. While the Church does a lot of good things for the poor, there wouldn't be such poverty were it not for the Church. I apologize for having offended you, BigMama. I could have stated my argument less glibly. |
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Post by josephdphillips on Feb 28, 2006 11:08:01 GMT -6
Joseph was not the target of my posting. He only became so because he refused to read what I was saying properly and continued to write foolish stuff that I never said or did. He continued to say things as if he knew me better then I knew myself. I find it funny that I'm told time and time again to go to the anti side. Guess there is just no open discussions here with some of you. I would have thought the ones who are so outspoken here and seem to hate me so much would be fighting like mad to get everyone on thier side and try to make everyone see things like they do. However, since the ones asking me to go are not the ones who own this board I believe I shall stay. I find most of the people here pleasent and friendly even if they don't agree with what I did or who I married at least they are open to the fact that one can make a mistake. By mistake I am talking about getting married to someone I believed in that turned out to be a liar. I know my reasons for why I wrote my first letter, God knows what was in my heart. As far as you judgemental ones.......well think what you like. You have no idea what I was thinking or believed in. No matter how much you think you do, you DON'T. Speaking of liars, you stated you lived near Los Angeles. Do you have proof? |
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Post by DeadElvis on Feb 28, 2006 11:08:46 GMT -6
On the other hand, maybe she's just one of your dumber scumpals who got sucked in by a DR inmate's con. You know, the emotional need to be near someone who is demonstrably criminally dangerous, yet can't hurt her? A sick thrill, in other words. And, of course, part of that sick thrill is coming here and telling us all about it. We both don't know Ima, so why do you judge her ? Why do you judge her feelings ? You don't know how she feels and if she felt the need to contact a DR inmate, than it's her emotional feeling. Why don't you understand that Some women like to start a relation with a pop star, some with a sportsman, some with lawyers, some with millionaires and some with DR inmates. What's the big deal ? To many here, that "emotional" feeling is very similar to the "feeling" that murderers get urging them to commit murder, rape, or whaterver sort of perverse activity. An urge to be close to the grotesque and dangerous coupled with blatent disregard for the victims who suffered at the hands of their "idol." I suspect most find it quite nauseating. Few buy the "I just want to help people" argument as there are a multitude of ways to help more people, with more problems, more effictively. DR penpals are simply voyeurs of death and suffering. |
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Post by tami on Feb 28, 2006 11:15:13 GMT -6
Joseph, one question, how do you find the time to come in here so much? ? Not that I am an anti but you seem quite obsessed with killing people, and find great pleasure in executions..That in itself says volumns about the kind of person you are. |
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Post by californian on Feb 28, 2006 11:17:59 GMT -6
On the other hand, maybe she's just one of your dumber scumpals who got sucked in by a DR inmate's con. You know, the emotional need to be near someone who is demonstrably criminally dangerous, yet can't hurt her? A sick thrill, in other words. And, of course, part of that sick thrill is coming here and telling us all about it. We both don't know Ima, so why do you judge her ? Why do you judge her feelings ? You don't know how she feels and if she felt the need to contact a DR inmate, than it's her emotional feeling. Why don't you understand that Some women like to start a relation with a pop star, some with a sportsman, some with lawyers, some with millionaires and some with DR inmates. [/b] What's the big deal ?[/quote] If you see some equivalency in the above careers and professions versus a death row inmate, I really don't feel the need to explain it to you, because your foothold on reality is so tenuous as to make it futile. |
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Post by josephdphillips on Feb 28, 2006 11:22:15 GMT -6
Joseph, one question, how do you find the time to come in here so much? ? Not that I am an anti but you seem quite obsessed with killing people, and find great pleasure in executions..That in itself says volumns about the kind of person you are. I find time at work, plus my wife is in school now, so she does a lot of studying at home. I don't take great pleasure in executions, only in mocking and displaying marked contempt for the condemned and their supporters. To me the executions themselves are not that important. I'd be satisfied if the murderers all did the right thing and killed themselves prior to their execution dates, or, better yet, prior to their trials. I am obsessed about one thing: the desuetude of moral indignation in this country following someone's murder. I'm quite sick of it because it didn't use to be that way, and it doesn't have to be that way now. |
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Post by DeadElvis on Feb 28, 2006 11:26:10 GMT -6
I have to jump in here. How can you compare starting a relationship with a sportsman, lawyer, millionaire with starting a relationship with a DR inmate? I am anti too but I find it baffling that someone can get romantically involved with a known murderer.
AKA, I think, for most DR groupies, there is no difference between fame and infamy. To them, it's all good.
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Post by dennis25 on Feb 28, 2006 11:26:37 GMT -6
We both don't know Ima, so why do you judge her ? Why do you judge her feelings ? You don't know how she feels and if she felt the need to contact a DR inmate, than it's her emotional feeling. Why don't you understand that Some women like to start a relation with a pop star, some with a sportsman, some with lawyers, some with millionaires and some with DR inmates. [/b] What's the big deal ?[/quote] If you see some equivalency in the above careers and professions versus a death row inmate, I really don't feel the need to explain it to you, because your foothold on reality is so tenuous as to make it futile. [/quote] I agree with you that I wouldn't look for a partner on DR either, but ther're some people that do. the human brain is complex, my friend |
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Post by californian on Feb 28, 2006 11:34:47 GMT -6
If you see some equivalency in the above careers and professions versus a death row inmate, I really don't feel the need to explain it to you, because your foothold on reality is so tenuous as to make it futile. I agree with you that I wouldn't look for a partner on DR either, but ther're some people that do. the human brain is complex, my friend[/size][/b] Quite true, but they vary, and I think anyone who marries a DR inmate she met while a scumpal has one of the simpler models. |
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Post by ima on Feb 28, 2006 12:14:23 GMT -6
Joe, what kind of proof do you want? I live in Orange County. Not that far from you. To me when we are talking about the whole state I would say that is close. Wouldn't you? I'm in Newport Beach. Not sure if you know where that is it or not but it's about 45 mins from LA.
Ok, one last time for those of you here who can't seem to get it straight. I did not go to DR to find a mate/husband.
By your judgment that anyone writting/helping anyone on DR does that mean that now because I spend my time helping sick children and woman with cancer I am seeking a relationship there too? Give me a break.
I do think if anyone goes looking for love with anyone in prison they are sick. They need a bit of help. No doubt.
However, that was not why I went there. I also said over and over had I know he was guilty I would not have gotten married. What part of that do you not understand?
Yes he was on DR but as we all know there are those on DR who are not guilty....few but still a few. I was not the only one fooled by this guy. His attorneys, investigators, reporters, family, priest and even three of the guards who watch over him felt he was one that should not be there.
I also did a lot of investigation on my own before I was so sure he was innocent I paid $3500 out of my own pocket to have the DNA test done.
Yes I jumped the gun and got married before the results came in but I've already said how foolish that was.
Think what you want of me. It really doesn't matter. If just one person here opens up their eyes and starts to see things from a different view then it was worth all the childish name calling. Seeing how I was emailed off this board by some who my posts have helped then I'm happy.
Besides, isn't this posted in an area for STUDENTS? I didn't post it on the regular area as I was not trying to get into the name calling and hate throwing like Joe and a few of the others who decided to jump on his bandwagon.
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Post by pk on Feb 28, 2006 12:24:24 GMT -6
tami: "Joseph, one question, how do you find the time to come in here so much? ? Not that I am an anti but you seem quite obsessed with killing people, and find great pleasure in executions..That in itself says volumns about the kind of person you are. " tami, how is it that you have so much time to read all of his post, are you obsessed with Joseph? When I have the time, I read all his post. I think Joe is wonderful, and the other twenty seven members in my MVS group love him as well. We call him Jose PHD Phillips, because he understands murderers and their supporters so well. There are days when his words are the only thing that keeps me going. I'm grateful that Charlene, Joseph and others like them have the humanity to care about the victims. I've read post where people say they "would probably want the murderer dead if they had a family member murdered" but other victims don't seem to count with them. All victims count with me, just as they count with Joseph. |
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Post by josephdphillips on Feb 28, 2006 12:29:59 GMT -6
When I have the time, I read all his post. I think Joe is wonderful, and the other twenty seven members in my MVS group love him as well. We call him Jose PHD Phillips, because he understands murderers and their supporters so well. There are days when his words are the only thing that keeps me going. I'm grateful that Charlene, Joseph and others like them have the humanity to care about the victims. I've read post where people say they "would probably want the murderer dead if they had a family member murdered" but other victims don't seem to count with them. All victims count with me, just as they count with Joseph. Gosh, thanks, PK. This is most gratifying! Please become a member of this board and let everyone know what to call you.  |
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Post by dennis25 on Feb 28, 2006 12:48:09 GMT -6
I agree with you that I wouldn't look for a partner on DR either, but ther're some people that do. the human brain is complex, my friend[/size][/b] Quite true, but they vary, and I think anyone who marries a DR inmate she met while a scumpal has one of the simpler models. [/quote] Yes, but not only is the human brain complex, the female brain is even more complex. somethimes I don't understand my on girlfriend as she suddenly does a let's say something strange. So, it wouldn't surprise me if women look for friends on DR. |
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Post by nydesha on Feb 28, 2006 15:41:16 GMT -6
circumventive answer, anyway...why should I hate somebody I don't know?? Maybe I would hate my own murderer or the murderer of my mother. So I understand the opinion of murder victim relatives like Charlene. But that doesn't mean that you have to hate every murderer. You don't know them. You don't know why a Thommy Gudinas (FL) or a Corey Jennings (TX) became a murderer (in the case of Gudinas it isn't astonishing and you haven't to be Freud to see this). You don't know their lives, their backgrounds, their reasons. So you have no reasons to hate them. I think nobody should hate unknowns. Myself I hate the people who abused/coerced me, and sometimes I wished I had have the courage to stab my butcher knife between their ribbs. And in the end I am glad I haven't had it. Because hate breeds hate. I know both sides. And I've known men who turned from kind-hearted men to monsters. And I also know how it feels to stand in front of a person with a buchter knife...you don't even need much power. It would have been so easy to show him the pain I felt, to give him all back. Hate a man/woman if you have a reason for. Don't judge people if you don't know them. Ladies and gentlemen, the guiding principle of the murdererphile, detailed above -- get to know a brutal, vicious killer before you judge him. I see you don't want to understand. You really need some professional help Joe. Or maybe you need another wife. You need a wife who gives you more satisfaction in every way. You seem to be very frustrated. You have to push up your self-esteem judging unknown people. Or maybe you need more action in your life. You miss anything. I don't know what. You need peace. Try yoga! |
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Post by bigmama on Feb 28, 2006 16:22:51 GMT -6
Joseph, I have a lot of respect for you but for you to equate Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa as murderer lovers really trivializes your opposition to true murderer lovers/sympathizers. Simply, these two dedicated their entire lives to the service of God over everything else. I'm not about to sit here and try to defend every thing the Catholic Church or any of its leaders has ever said or done, and I've no idea what your issue with the local archdiocese is, but believe me, I've got a few myself, but that's an entirely different point. I don't want to vigorously debate it with you, there is really nothing to debate. We're so far apart on so many levels that there's really no point and will only give rise to more "they traffic in human misery" type comments, which really hurt me. Nor would I dare to presume myself qualified to debate on behalf of either of them, much less the Church, even though I was raised and still consider myself Roman Catholic. More than anything I just wanted to express that I have nothing but the highest respect and admiration for Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa, who were beloved by and an inspiration and example to millions, but obviously you're entitled to opine otherwise. That said, I'll just get back to mostly agreeing with you as to the proper and just punishment for murderers. OK, I had that coming. I should have explained myself better. The Pope, as the so-called Vicar of Christ, and the entire clergy of the Catholic Church are not bad people per se. However, their entire moral philosphy rests on an unproved, hypothetical existence of two circumstances: (1) an afterlife with two, opposite destinations and (2) an interested deity to judge and direct incoming arrivals. Based on these premises, they conclude the temporal life isn't all that important. Suffering is good and the avoidance of suffering is bad. Furthermore, the Church, more than any other institution in human history, actively discourages and discredits critical thinking and vigorous intellectual inquiry. Not only are devout Catholics prisoners of their biology, they can't even enjoy a dirty movie. While the Church does a lot of good things for the poor, there wouldn't be such poverty were it not for the Church. I apologize for having offended you, BigMama. I could have stated my argument less glibly. While I wouldn't boil down Catholicism to the two premises you stated, I have no reservations about admitting that they are unproven and even unprovable. That's why it's a matter of faith. Once you take the premises on faith, then the conclusions follow. We needn't even compare temporal to eternal life or condemnation to realize that temporal life is only fleeting. That doesn't equate to suffering being good and avoiding it bad. If one believes in concepts such as heaven and hell, then of course some fleeting "suffering" on earth in exchange for the promise of eternal life is a bargain. By the way, thanks for the apology Joseph though I didn't expect one and certainly don't need one. We're cool. Wait, one last thing, are you really saying that poverty wouldn't exist if it weren't for the Catholic Church? |
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Post by bigmama on Feb 28, 2006 16:37:29 GMT -6
tami: "Joseph, one question, how do you find the time to come in here so much? ? Not that I am an anti but you seem quite obsessed with killing people, and find great pleasure in executions..That in itself says volumns about the kind of person you are. " tami, how is it that you have so much time to read all of his post, are you obsessed with Joseph? When I have the time, I read all his post. I think Joe is wonderful, and the other twenty seven members in my MVS group love him as well. We call him Jose PHD Phillips, because he understands murderers and their supporters so well. There are days when his words are the only thing that keeps me going. I'm grateful that Charlene, Joseph and others like them have the humanity to care about the victims. I've read post where people say they "would probably want the murderer dead if they had a family member murdered" but other victims don't seem to count with them. All victims count with me, just as they count with Joseph. Kudos to Joseph and thanks for saying such a nice thing PK. I'm really glad that you and your MVS group find some comfort in Joseph's unwavering stand against murderers and his magnificent eloquence. We think he's pretty great too. I too hope you find your way to joining the board. |
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Post by josephdphillips on Feb 28, 2006 16:39:48 GMT -6
Wait, one last thing, are you really saying that poverty wouldn't exist if it weren't for the Catholic Church? Well, poverty in Catholic countries would be abated if the faithful were given control over their reproduction. That's the way it is in any poor country -- too many mouths to feed, too much manual labor. We have our neighbor to the south as a good example. I did all the church bulletins in the Los Angeles archdiocese for a year. A few other people and I worked at J.S. Paluch, which published them all. I learned a lot about the Catholic religion that way. Plus my first wife is Catholic and technically so is my daughter. I hate to see people fearing death and feeling guilty about life. The orthodox religions are all about that, to me. |
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Post by josephdphillips on Feb 28, 2006 16:46:53 GMT -6
I see you don't want to understand. You really need some professional help Joe. Or maybe you need another wife. You need a wife who gives you more satisfaction in every way. You seem to be very frustrated. You have to push up your self-esteem judging unknown people. Or maybe you need more action in your life. You miss anything. I don't know what. You need peace. Try yoga! Murderers as unknown people....LOL!! ;D You really are a hoot! OK, so you "know" murderers. Good for you. Do you swallow? |
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Post by josephdphillips on Feb 28, 2006 17:07:14 GMT -6
Kudos to Joseph and thanks for saying such a nice thing PK. I'm really glad that you and your MVS group find some comfort in Joseph's unwavering stand against murderers and his magnificent eloquence. We think he's pretty great too. I too hope you find your way to joining the board. Thanks, BigMama. You're one hot Catholic. Speaking of which.. www.lunaestas.com/images/madonna/ar_25_scarlett.jpg |
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Post by RickZ on Feb 28, 2006 20:31:52 GMT -6
I see you don't want to understand. You really need some professional help Joe. Or maybe you need another wife. You need a wife who gives you more satisfaction in every way. You seem to be very frustrated. You have to push up your self-esteem judging unknown people. Or maybe you need more action in your life. You miss anything. I don't know what. You need peace. Try yoga! (Re)read pk's post (3 above the one I quoted) to see why your opinion of Joseph DOES NOT matter. |
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Post by Rev. Agave on Feb 28, 2006 21:55:44 GMT -6
Ok, I just thought I would offer myself to any questions you people here have about what it is like being married to a guy on deathrow. Here is a bit of info for you first. I wrote him thinking I would be doing some good by helping him turn his life over to God before his time with death came. The more I got to know him and listened to him about his case the more I thought maybe he was one of those on deathrow that was innocent like he claimed. I spoke to many people involved and the more people I spoke to the more I was sure he was. So I worked with his attorneys to help get him a new trial date and/or DNA testing. He and I became more and more involved and looking back I can see I never really loved him. I had several relationships with men on the outside (they never had been in prison) and I was not a prison groupie and had never thought of even writting to anyone in prison before let alone on deathrow. I think I really believed in him being innocent 100% and felt so sorry for this guy who had been put in prison for a murder he didn't do. Spending his whole life there. He was 18 by only a few days when he went in. He is now 38. We talked about having a real relationship once he got out. Well things moved on and soon we talked about marriage. He wanted to wait until he was proven innocent but I wanted to prove that I really "knew" he was going to get out so I said no, let's do it now and then when you get out we will have a big wedding with everyone there. STUPID ME! His DNA test came back. The only thing it proved was that I was such a fool. I not only found out he was guilty but I paid $3500 of my own money. Of course he said they messed with the tests. Well my eyes were opened by then. I dug more into his background and found out even more things he did that turned my stomache. I broke off all contact. I moved and he has no way of getting touch with me except through emails sent by his attorney (which I don't answer). I'm still married. Why? Well, a few reasons. One is I have no desire to date anyone right now let alone get married so why spend the money? Two, I can't afford it. Three, if I got divorced it would just open him up to getting someone else to marry him and it would destroy her life too. But, most of all, I made a vow to God that I meant. So I don't think I should get a divorce. His time should be up soon. I have no idea how I will feel about that. Anyway, if anyone here has any questions to throw my way I'm willing to answer just about anything. I don't get on here everyday so if I don't answer right away forgive me. By answering questions I'm hoping to either help some other woman who may be thinking about getting married to someone on deathrow to open her eyes. Or clear up the belief by some that ALL woman who get married or write to death row inmates are crazy groupies. I'm the farthest thing from being a groupie that you will ever find. Welcome to the board, Ima! I think that you should use your influence to get him to commit suicide or at the very least drop his appeals. I don't mean that to be mean, but it would be the best thing to do. |
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Post by bigmama on Mar 1, 2006 3:03:19 GMT -6
Wait, one last thing, are you really saying that poverty wouldn't exist if it weren't for the Catholic Church? Well, poverty in Catholic countries would be abated if the faithful were given control over their reproduction. That's the way it is in any poor country -- too many mouths to feed, too much manual labor. We have our neighbor to the south as a good example. I did all the church bulletins in the Los Angeles archdiocese for a year. A few other people and I worked at J.S. Paluch, which published them all. I learned a lot about the Catholic religion that way. Plus my first wife is Catholic and technically so is my daughter. I hate to see people fearing death and feeling guilty about life. The orthodox religions are all about that, to me. You make some good points Joseph, but I think you put way too much weight on the Church's restrictive views on birth control and too little on the abuses and failures of secular authorities, particularly in these predominantly Catholic countries. I think the roots of poverty are too complicated to just lay them at the foot of the Catholic Church. Although I see where you're coming from, there's so much more to it than fearing death and feeling guilt, to me anyway. Frankly, I'm not as educated about Catholicism as I would like to be and I can't say I'm a good practicing Catholic by any means, but that's ok with me. Even so, I sent all the kids to Catholic schools through high school. Go figure. It works for me. |
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Post by bigmama on Mar 1, 2006 3:08:39 GMT -6
Kudos to Joseph and thanks for saying such a nice thing PK. I'm really glad that you and your MVS group find some comfort in Joseph's unwavering stand against murderers and his magnificent eloquence. We think he's pretty great too. I too hope you find your way to joining the board. Thanks, BigMama. You're one hot Catholic. Speaking of which.. www.lunaestas.com/images/madonna/ar_25_scarlett.jpgWhy thank ya, my husband certainly thinks so.  And he's not Catholic either! lol I really used to like Madonna so much better before she got all full of herself. |
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Post by bigmama on Mar 1, 2006 3:13:14 GMT -6
Ok, I just thought I would offer myself to any questions you people here have about what it is like being married to a guy on deathrow. Here is a bit of info for you first. I wrote him thinking I would be doing some good by helping him turn his life over to God before his time with death came. The more I got to know him and listened to him about his case the more I thought maybe he was one of those on deathrow that was innocent like he claimed. I spoke to many people involved and the more people I spoke to the more I was sure he was. So I worked with his attorneys to help get him a new trial date and/or DNA testing. He and I became more and more involved and looking back I can see I never really loved him. I had several relationships with men on the outside (they never had been in prison) and I was not a prison groupie and had never thought of even writting to anyone in prison before let alone on deathrow. I think I really believed in him being innocent 100% and felt so sorry for this guy who had been put in prison for a murder he didn't do. Spending his whole life there. He was 18 by only a few days when he went in. He is now 38. We talked about having a real relationship once he got out. Well things moved on and soon we talked about marriage. He wanted to wait until he was proven innocent but I wanted to prove that I really "knew" he was going to get out so I said no, let's do it now and then when you get out we will have a big wedding with everyone there. STUPID ME! His DNA test came back. The only thing it proved was that I was such a fool. I not only found out he was guilty but I paid $3500 of my own money. Of course he said they messed with the tests. Well my eyes were opened by then. I dug more into his background and found out even more things he did that turned my stomache. I broke off all contact. I moved and he has no way of getting touch with me except through emails sent by his attorney (which I don't answer). I'm still married. Why? Well, a few reasons. One is I have no desire to date anyone right now let alone get married so why spend the money? Two, I can't afford it. Three, if I got divorced it would just open him up to getting someone else to marry him and it would destroy her life too. But, most of all, I made a vow to God that I meant. So I don't think I should get a divorce. His time should be up soon. I have no idea how I will feel about that. Anyway, if anyone here has any questions to throw my way I'm willing to answer just about anything. I don't get on here everyday so if I don't answer right away forgive me. By answering questions I'm hoping to either help some other woman who may be thinking about getting married to someone on deathrow to open her eyes. Or clear up the belief by some that ALL woman who get married or write to death row inmates are crazy groupies. I'm the farthest thing from being a groupie that you will ever find. Welcome to the board, Ima! I think that you should use your influence to get him to commit suicide or at the very least drop his appeals. I don't mean that to be mean, but it would be the best thing to do. By jove, you've got it Agaveman!! Excellent idea,+ for you. I invite Ima to give your suggestion some serious thought. |
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And he's not Catholic either! lol
