Deathrow inmates wife here.

[josephdphillips]

ima said:

Well Joe, perhaps if I had married someone who I thought was guilty of murder I could agree with you. But I didn't.

You knew he was guilty. That's why he was on death row. You simply didn't want to believe it, in keeping with your deathrowsexual fantasy.

[dennis25]

His date has not been set.

1 ) when it it likely that his date will be set
2 ) When his date is set, how long will it normally take before he's executed ?

You made me laugh with your remark about Joe wishing he was like the NIGHT STALKER with women. Thanks that made my day.

You're welcome, Ima. I'm glad my remark made your day and gave you some hope for the future. When is your husband set to die ? I hope that when his date is set, and execution is near, that Ca will have another governor, one who's compassionate.

Back to Joe - People with so much hate like Joe are to obsessed on an issue. He let's hate rule over love and compassion. It can have many reasons, but one of them is that men are not popular with women, they get upset. A friend of mine is kinda shy and has hardly had any success with women, so he's upset and ashamed that he's shy. The only place where he can cover his shyness is on the internet and I think it's the same case with Joe.
And knowing that many killers on DR have women that admire them, makes him jealous, I think. I don't know for sure, but I think this is the case.
So that's why I came up with richard Ramirez as I know he married while on DR and that the women were lining up for him. i'm not a woman, but I can imagine that women think that Ramirez is more handsome than Joe, or a Ted Bundy, also popular with women, and that probably upsets Joe.
and the women that were attracted to people like Ramirez were not stupid, some even had University degrees.

And how do you feel now, Ima ?
i hope even better

Ok. i'm currently joking a little bit, but sometimes it's needed in a world full of hate.

[josephdphillips]

ima said:

what makes you so sure that someone you love right now will never turn out to murder someone someday.

None of my three wives have come close to harming anyone, let alone brutally murdering someone in cold blood. Someone may be forgiven an honest mistake in judgment, but you went after a murderer on death row, something no sane person would do.

You're certainly not the first scumpal or deathrowsexual to have trolled this board. There are many women here who think you're totally nuts to have sought affection from a death row murderer. On top of that you come here expecting Oprah love from the very women who want murderers to die. Brilliant strategy, there.

I may be able to get you a good deal on some industrial-strength gingko biloba. If anyone needs it, it's you.

[Sandoval]

All the people running for Governor of CA are PRO all the way! So it don't matter who wins on November, the DP stays in plance.

dennis25 said:

His date has not been set.

1 ) when it it likely that his date will be set
2 ) When his date is set, how long will it normally take before he's executed ?

You made me laugh with your remark about Joe wishing he was like the NIGHT STALKER with women. Thanks that made my day.

You're welcome, Ima. I'm glad my remark made your day and gave you some hope for the future. When is your husband set to die ? I hope that when his date is set, and execution is near, that Ca will have another governor, one who's compassionate.

Back to Joe - People with so much hate like Joe are to obsessed on an issue. He let's hate rule over love and compassion. It can have many reasons, but one of them is that men are not popular with women, they get upset. A friend of mine is kinda shy and has hardly had any success with women, so he's upset and ashamed that he's shy. The only place where he can cover his shyness is on the internet and I think it's the same case with Joe.
And knowing that many killers on DR have women that admire them, makes him jealous, I think. I don't know for sure, but I think this is the case.
So that's why I came up with richard Ramirez as I know he married while on DR and that the women were lining up for him. i'm not a woman, but I can imagine that women think that Ramirez is more handsome than Joe, or a Ted Bundy, also popular with women, and that probably upsets Joe.
and the women that were attracted to people like Ramirez were not stupid, some even had University degrees.

And how do you feel now, Ima ?
i hope even better

Ok. i'm currently joking a little bit, but sometimes it's needed in a world full of hate.

[californian]

dennis25 said:

Love is not a crime, to kill is a crime.

very true, but joe doesn't seem to understand that love is something emotional which you can't control.

Of course she could have. All she had to do was what 99% of all Americans do: avoid people on DR.

[bigmama]

josephdphillips said:

bigmama said:

Joseph- what do you mean that the Pope (I'm assuming you mean John Paul II) and Mother Teresa weren't friends of humanity?

They're well-intentioned people, BigMama, but they traffic in human misery. Their luddite stand against contraception only makes the poor poorer.

Embrace the murderer, and you embrace murder. That's the way I see it. It doesn't matter if the embracer is Roman Catholic, a deathrowsexual or a member of Congress.

Grand theft auto is a mistake. Embezzlement is a mistake. Even rape is a mistake. Murder, however, is murder. There's no atonement, no redemption, no salvation, at least in the temporal world, for murder. You can never be an ex-murderer.

I appreciate the explanation. We'll touch base on how I strongly disagree later. Wish I had time to repond right now.

[josephdphillips]

bigmama said:

I appreciate the explanation. We'll touch base on how I strongly disagree later. Wish I had time to repond right now.

I've done work for the local archdiocese, Bigmama. I expect a vigorous debate.

[Ima just not signed in]

Oh Joe you are to funny. You have had 3 wifes now??? Well I can't say I'm suprised that you can't keep a woman happy. What I am shocked at is you got three woman to marry you in the first place.

I hope and pray no one near you ever commits murder for you will be forced to one day eat your words. Again, I say, no one thought they knew someone who was likely to murder either.

I never expected anyone here to give me support or love. However, I do find it odd that everyone here but you has treated with great respect.

Keep talking Joe, you are putting your foot in your mouth so much that soon everyone here will see you for the real fool you are.

[californian]

Ima said:

Oh Joe you are to funny. You have had 3 wifes now??? Well I can't say I'm suprised that you can't keep a woman happy. What I am shocked at is you got three woman to marry you in the first place.

I hope and pray no one near you ever commits murder for you will be forced to one day eat your words. Again, I say, no one thought they knew someone who was likely to murder either.

Perhaps not, you dumb twat, but you married him after he killed someone. Jest a little boneheaded there, eh, Bubbette?

I never expected anyone here to give me support or love.

Let's be honest. wouldn't you really be happier with your fellow thughuggers over at PTO?

[Donnie]

californian said:

Of course she could have. All she had to do was what 99% of all Americans do: avoid people on DR.

Maybe 99.99%

[sweethonesty]

Ima said:

Oh Joe you are to funny. You have had 3 wifes now??? Well I can't say I'm suprised that you can't keep a woman happy. What I am shocked at is you got three woman to marry you in the first place.

I hope and pray no one near you ever commits murder for you will be forced to one day eat your words. Again, I say, no one thought they knew someone who was likely to murder either.

I never expected anyone here to give me support or love. However, I do find it odd that everyone here but you has treated with great respect.

Keep talking Joe, you are putting your foot in your mouth so much that soon everyone here will see you for the real fool you are.

seems your focus is more on Joseph rather then the topic ima, one would wonder why that is? From the beginning you made Joseph your target. I sometimes wonder if ppl like you, arent recycled from the pile of ppl that quit the board, that come back to bait the board to stir up problems.

[Ima just not signed in]

Joseph was not the target of my posting. He only became so because he refused to read what I was saying properly and continued to write foolish stuff that I never said or did. He continued to say things as if he knew me better then I knew myself.

I find it funny that I'm told time and time again to go to the anti side. Guess there is just no open discussions here with some of you.

I would have thought the ones who are so outspoken here and seem to hate me so much would be fighting like mad to get everyone on thier side and try to make everyone see things like they do.

However, since the ones asking me to go are not the ones who own this board I believe I shall stay. I find most of the people here pleasent and friendly even if they don't agree with what I did or who I married at least they are open to the fact that one can make a mistake.

By mistake I am talking about getting married to someone I believed in that turned out to be a liar.

I know my reasons for why I wrote my first letter, God knows what was in my heart. As far as you judgemental ones.......well think what you like. You have no idea what I was thinking or believed in. No matter how much you think you do, you DON'T.

[limbololly]

Ima said:

Joseph was not the target of my posting. He only became so because he refused to read what I was saying properly and continued to write foolish stuff that I never said or did. He continued to say things as if he knew me better then I knew myself.

I find it funny that I'm told time and time again to go to the anti side. Guess there is just no open discussions here with some of you.

I would have thought the ones who are so outspoken here and seem to hate me so much would be fighting like mad to get everyone on thier side and try to make everyone see things like they do.

However, since the ones asking me to go are not the ones who own this board I believe I shall stay. I find most of the people here pleasent and friendly even if they don't agree with what I did or who I married at least they are open to the fact that one can make a mistake.

By mistake I am talking about getting married to someone I believed in that turned out to be a liar.

I know my reasons for why I wrote my first letter, God knows what was in my heart. As far as you judgemental ones.......well think what you like. You have no idea what I was thinking or believed in. No matter how much you think you do, you DON'T.

It seems to me you are really trying to reach out for some attention, do you want us to feel sorry for you and pay for your skrink?

[SQ]

DAVID1 said:

Thank You Ima, please remember that despite you naivety the death penalty is the ultimate act of rehabilitation. As a Roman Catholic I do not believe in divorce. However, your husband can redeem himself by confessing his sins and asking for God to forgive him. If he abandons his appeals and atones for his crimes by facing the death penalty like a man, I do believe some good will come of this sad situation. Hopefully, when he is executed his victims will have some form of closure and you will be able to find a more meaningful relationship with an honest law-abiding member of society. I wish you well for the future and may God help the souls of the victims.

I thought the Roman Catholic Church was against the death penalty. Hmmmmm. I take it you're not a "practicing Roman Catholic than.

[SQ]

www.suite101.com/article.cfm/deathpenalty/116294

Yep, here one article "Roman Catholic Bishops Launch Controversial Campaign Against The Death Penalty"

[bigmama]

SQ said:

www.suite101.com/article.cfm/deathpenalty/116294

Yep, here one article "Roman Catholic Bishops Launch Controversial Campaign Against The Death Penalty"

Did you read the whole article??

Check this out from your very own article...

The most recent Catechism of the Catholic Church (1995) addresses the issue of the death penalty directly: "The Church has acknowledged as well-founded the right and duty of legitimate public authority to punish malefactors by means of penalties…not excluding, in cases of extreme gravity, the death penalty."

[bigmama]

josephdphillips said:

bigmama said:

I appreciate the explanation. We'll touch base on how I strongly disagree later. Wish I had time to repond right now.

I've done work for the local archdiocese, Bigmama. I expect a vigorous debate.

Joseph, I have a lot of respect for you but for you to equate Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa as murderer lovers really trivializes your opposition to true murderer lovers/sympathizers. Simply, these two dedicated their entire lives to the service of God over everything else.

I'm not about to sit here and try to defend every thing the Catholic Church or any of its leaders has ever said or done, and I've no idea what your issue with the local archdiocese is, but believe me, I've got a few myself, but that's an entirely different point. I don't want to vigorously debate it with you, there is really nothing to debate. We're so far apart on so many levels that there's really no point and will only give rise to more "they traffic in human misery" type comments, which really hurt me. Nor would I dare to presume myself qualified to debate on behalf of either of them, much less the Church, even though I was raised and still consider myself Roman Catholic. More than anything I just wanted to express that I have nothing but the highest respect and admiration for Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa, who were beloved by and an inspiration and example to millions, but obviously you're entitled to opine otherwise.

That said, I'll just get back to mostly agreeing with you as to the proper and just punishment for murderers.

[bigmama]

josephdphillips said:

Ima said:

Ok Joe, you continue to think you know what is in a persons heart. I give up on you. You are just like my husband, not willing to change what is wrong about you. You have no desire to even try. That's ok. Again you don't answer about any belief in God. Makes me wonder why. I really think you need to get some professional help with all this pent up anger and hatred for people you have never met. It's not normal.

The woman who marries a capital murderer is lecturing me about psychology. I love it. ;D

I thought the same thing. Priceless.

[limbololly]

Great Post Bigmama, executed with a real sence of passion and belief!!

I will reward you with a +

love lisa

[nydesha]

josephdphillips said:

nydesha said:

@joe: have you lost anybody? or why are you so full of hatred?

I've answered this several times. You seem to think of murderers as an oppressed minority, unworthy of public opprobrium, and the slain as unworthy of mention.

There are probably hundreds of readers of this board who know exactly why I hate murderers. The big question is why you don't.

circumventive answer, anyway...why should I hate somebody I don't know?? Maybe I would hate my own murderer or the murderer of my mother. So I understand the opinion of murder victim relatives like Charlene. But that doesn't mean that you have to hate every murderer. You don't know them. You don't know why a Thommy Gudinas (FL) or a Corey Jennings (TX)
became a murderer (in the case of Gudinas it isn't astonishing and you haven't to be Freud to see this). You don't know their lives, their backgrounds, their reasons. So you have no reasons to hate them. I think nobody should hate unknowns. Myself I hate the people who abused/coerced me, and sometimes I wished I had have the courage to stab my butcher knife between their ribbs. And in the end I am glad I haven't had it. Because hate breeds hate. I know both sides. And I've known men who turned from kind-hearted men to monsters. And I also know how it feels to stand in front of a person with a buchter knife...you don't even need much power. It would have been so easy to show him the pain I felt, to give him all back. Hate a man/woman if you have a reason for. Don't judge people if you don't know them.

[bigmama]

Ima said:

Oh Joe you are to funny. You have had 3 wifes now??? Well I can't say I'm suprised that you can't keep a woman happy. What I am shocked at is you got three woman to marry you in the first place.

I hope and pray no one near you ever commits murder for you will be forced to one day eat your words. Again, I say, no one thought they knew someone who was likely to murder either.

I never expected anyone here to give me support or love. However, I do find it odd that everyone here but you has treated with great respect.

Keep talking Joe, you are putting your foot in your mouth so much that soon everyone here will see you for the real fool you are.

You married a condemned murderer and you're "shocked" Joseph found three women to marry him?? Lady, you really need to get over yourself. You invited questions because you wanted to "help" women avoid your mistake and/or clear up that not every death row wifey is a groupie. You're absolutely on the wrong board with the first one but thanks anyway. As to the second one, you've failed miserably. Joseph called you out and you automatically responded and revealed yourself to be NO different than the long line of groupies that have preceded you here and spouted the same nonsense.

If you represent light and love, I'll stick with hate. (roflmao)

[limbololly]

nydesha said:

josephdphillips said:

I've answered this several times. You seem to think of murderers as an oppressed minority, unworthy of public opprobrium, and the slain as unworthy of mention.

There are probably hundreds of readers of this board who know exactly why I hate murderers. The big question is why you don't.

circumventive answer, anyway...why should I hate somebody I don't know?? Maybe I would hate my own murderer or the murderer of my mother. So I understand the opinion of murder victim relatives like Charlene. But that doesn't mean that you have to hate every murderer. You don't know them. You don't know why a Thommy Gudinas (FL) or a Corey Jennings (TX)
became a murderer (in the case of Gudinas it isn't astonishing and you haven't to be Freud to see this). You don't know their lives, their backgrounds, their reasons. So you have no reasons to hate them. I think nobody should hate unknowns. Myself I hate the people who abused/coerced me, and sometimes I wished I had have the courage to stab my butcher knife between their ribbs. And in the end I am glad I haven't had it. Because hate breeds hate. I know both sides. And I've known men who turned from kind-hearted men to monsters. And I also know how it feels to stand in front of a person with a buchter knife...you don't even need much power. It would have been so easy to show him the pain I felt, to give him all back. Hate a man/woman if you have a reason for. Don't judge people if you don't know them.

I think you have made a great point in your post although i don't think knowing someone before you hate them is something that i agree with. You can hate a persons actions without having to know them personally.

people who abuse, torture or kill others in any way are people i dislike, i don;t know every single man or woman who have done such crimes to which i am glad but in their actions have caused me to dislike them that is just the way i feel.

You seem to be holding a lot of anger yourself and i hope the POS who made you this way has received justice in every sence of the word.

Thank you for your post, Lisa

[bigmama]

nydesha said:

josephdphillips said:

I've answered this several times. You seem to think of murderers as an oppressed minority, unworthy of public opprobrium, and the slain as unworthy of mention.

There are probably hundreds of readers of this board who know exactly why I hate murderers. The big question is why you don't.

circumventive answer, anyway...why should I hate somebody I don't know?? Maybe I would hate my own murderer or the murderer of my mother. So I understand the opinion of murder victim relatives like Charlene. But that doesn't mean that you have to hate every murderer. You don't know them. You don't know why a Thommy Gudinas (FL) or a Corey Jennings (TX)
became a murderer (in the case of Gudinas it isn't astonishing and you haven't to be Freud to see this). You don't know their lives, their backgrounds, their reasons. So you have no reasons to hate them. I think nobody should hate unknowns. Myself I hate the people who abused/coerced me, and sometimes I wished I had have the courage to stab my butcher knife between their ribbs. And in the end I am glad I haven't had it. Because hate breeds hate. I know both sides. And I've known men who turned from kind-hearted men to monsters. And I also know how it feels to stand in front of a person with a buchter knife...you don't even need much power. It would have been so easy to show him the pain I felt, to give him all back. Hate a man/woman if you have a reason for. Don't judge people if you don't know them.

"I think nobody should hate unknowns." I agree, it's ignorant to hate unknowns. Perhaps you miss your own point when it comes to hating condemned murderers, because they're not "unknowns" anymore.

[Felix2]

bigmama said:

josephdphillips said:

I've done work for the local archdiocese, Bigmama. I expect a vigorous debate.

Joseph, I have a lot of respect for you but for you to equate Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa as murderer lovers really trivializes your opposition to true murderer lovers/sympathizers. Simply, these two dedicated their entire lives to the service of God over everything else.

I'm not about to sit here and try to defend every thing the Catholic Church or any of its leaders has ever said or done, and I've no idea what your issue with the local archdiocese is, but believe me, I've got a few myself, but that's an entirely different point. I don't want to vigorously debate it with you, there is really nothing to debate. We're so far apart on so many levels that there's really no point and will only give rise to more "they traffic in human misery" type comments, which really hurt me. Nor would I dare to presume myself qualified to debate on behalf of either of them, much less the Church, even though I was raised and still consider myself Roman Catholic. More than anything I just wanted to express that I have nothing but the highest respect and admiration for Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa, who were beloved by and an inspiration and example to millions, but obviously you're entitled to opine otherwise.

That said, I'll just get back to mostly agreeing with you as to the proper and just punishment for murderers.

Joe, the more you attack such obviously and inherently good people, the less I have to point out your true nature, yuo'll do it for me.

[dennis25]

I don't know who will take part in Ca elections, but maybe the Mayor of LA should join as I thought that Antonio was against the DP. Is Cruz Bustamente not in this time ? I think he's against to as most hispanics I know are against the DP. Or Maybe Gray Davis should run again. I liked that guy.

nothing said:

All the people running for Governor of CA are PRO all the way! So it don't matter who wins on November, the DP stays in plance.

dennis25 said:

1 ) when it it likely that his date will be set
2 ) When his date is set, how long will it normally take before he's executed ?



You're welcome, Ima. I'm glad my remark made your day and gave you some hope for the future. When is your husband set to die ? I hope that when his date is set, and execution is near, that Ca will have another governor, one who's compassionate.

Back to Joe - People with so much hate like Joe are to obsessed on an issue. He let's hate rule over love and compassion. It can have many reasons, but one of them is that men are not popular with women, they get upset. A friend of mine is kinda shy and has hardly had any success with women, so he's upset and ashamed that he's shy. The only place where he can cover his shyness is on the internet and I think it's the same case with Joe.
And knowing that many killers on DR have women that admire them, makes him jealous, I think. I don't know for sure, but I think this is the case.
So that's why I came up with richard Ramirez as I know he married while on DR and that the women were lining up for him. i'm not a woman, but I can imagine that women think that Ramirez is more handsome than Joe, or a Ted Bundy, also popular with women, and that probably upsets Joe.
and the women that were attracted to people like Ramirez were not stupid, some even had University degrees.

And how do you feel now, Ima ?
i hope even better

Ok. i'm currently joking a little bit, but sometimes it's needed in a world full of hate.

[dennis25]

californian said:

dennis25 said:

very true, but joe doesn't seem to understand that love is something emotional which you can't control.

Of course she could have. All she had to do was what 99% of all Americans do: avoid people on DR.

Maybe she had the emotional need to visit someone on DR or the sensible need as she went there after she read something in the Bible or so.
but maybe it was the emotional part of her that wanted to visit someone on DR. And if she had that emotion, so be it. I normally go to a pop concert to meet new people or hang out in a coffeeshop, but maybe Ima wanted to meet someone on Dr. I don't see anything wrong with it.

[dennis25]

limbololly said:

Great Post Bigmama, executed with a real sence of passion and belief!!

I will reward you with a +

love lisa

well, maybe time to reward me with a + too as I've only received - so far while i'm posting like hell now I've a few days off.

[dennis25]

Oh Joe you are to funny. You have had 3 wifes now??? Well I can't say I'm suprised that you can't keep a woman happy.

Nice one, Ima ;D ;D ;D

What I am shocked at is you got three woman to marry you in the first place.

Well, he's still not that popular with women as Richard Ramirez

[Felix2]

dennis25 said:

Oh Joe you are to funny. You have had 3 wifes now??? Well I can't say I'm suprised that you can't keep a woman happy.

Nice one, Ima ;D ;D ;D

What I am shocked at is you got three woman to marry you in the first place.

Well, he's still not that popular with women as Richard Ramirez

I have a hugh retraction to make. It has come to my attention that Joe has had three wives?? Anything I have ever said about American women I now take back as it is obvious to me that their generosity knows no bounds! ;D ;D

[Felix2]

josephdphillips said:

ima said:

what makes you so sure that someone you love right now will never turn out to murder someone someday.

None of my three wives have come close to harming anyone, let alone brutally murdering someone in cold blood. Someone may be forgiven an honest mistake in judgment, but you went after a murderer on death row, something no sane person would do.

You're certainly not the first scumpal or deathrowsexual to have trolled this board. There are many women here who think you're totally nuts to have sought affection from a death row murderer. On top of that you come here expecting Oprah love from the very women who want murderers to die. Brilliant strategy, there.

I may be able to get you a good deal on some industrial-strength gingko biloba. If anyone needs it, it's you.

Joe, dont you think three wives represent three other tries after previous mistakes? Why do you advocate a lesser standard for others.?