Deathrow inmates wife here.

[Sue]

You never did answer my question ......would you of gotten involved with the inmate if you knew he was guilty from the beginning ?

[ima]

Sue, by involved do you mean get married to him? That answer would be no. If you mean writing him. Well yes because I thought he was guilty. After all he was on death row.

Joseph, I am not a murderer. So why hate me? Why so angry at me? I told everyone I was wrong. What should I say I was sorry for? I owe no one here anything.

I don't need your forgiveness or understanding. If you are so sick of reading what I write then why keep reading it? Gee that's a pretty easy way for me not to bug you. Go read a different post. Stay away from this one. I'm not all over the board here so it should be easy for you.

You are acting like I killed someone. Of course I can see people who judge them and have anger and hate them. But, that's not me dear.

Yes I married a guy who did but I didn't believe he was guilty when I did. When I found out he was I left and never spoke or wrote to him again. But yet you still call me a crazy person.

Oh by the way Mother Theresa not only wrote the guys on death row but she also went to visit them. Also the Pope did too. Guess you think they are crazy sick wackjobs too huh?

Oh and tell your source for the bible they are WRONG. It does not say that and if you want to quote things from the bible you should first read it yourself. Otherwise you just sound foolish.

Mind telling me who you lost to murder? Just wondering where all your hatred is coming from.

[ima]

josephdphillips said:

ima said:

hopefully you have thrown enough of your hate my way. Sorry I upset you so much. It wasn't what I was trying to do.

I'm just getting warmed up. I'll stop after you make a formal apology to each and every person here grieving over a slain loved one. I'm sure they're tired of reading your self-serving bile as much as I.

Just what do you think I'm getting out of this anyway? How is this self serving when I was writting to others to not write inmates or get involved. Wait a minute, I get it I'm just making this all up.

Oh by the way, I am near Los Angeles.

[josephdphillips]

ima said:

I am not a murderer. So why hate me? Why so angry at me? I told everyone I was wrong. What should I say I was sorry for? I owe no one here anything.

A scumpal is a scumpal is a scumpal. You may not be a murderer, but you cleaved to one, knowing he was guilty. So what does that make you, compared to those who don't write-off murder victims as though they never existed?

My anger is toward anyone who gives aid and comfort to a murderer, regardless of politics. I have no problem with antis who take a moral position against capital punishment, as long as they don't start extolling the virtues and redemption of the murderers.

[josephdphillips]

ima said:

Mother Theresa not only wrote the guys on death row but she also went to visit them. Also the Pope did too. Guess you think they are crazy sick wackjobs too huh?

The pope and Mother Theresa are/were no friends of humanity. They've done a lot more harm than good.

A benign, naive view of human nature doesn't change what people really are. Evil has to be met with force, not kindness and understanding.

[josephdphillips]

ima said:

Mind telling me who you lost to murder? Just wondering where all your hatred is coming from.

It's funny how murdererphiles always wonder why I dislike murderers. People like you are clueless.

I've lost no one to murder, but I cleave to those that have. That's my responsibility as a citizen and as a human being. It's something I knew to do at an early age, and I've never forgotten it. You, apparently, have.

[Felix2]

josephdphillips said:

ima said:

Mind telling me who you lost to murder? Just wondering where all your hatred is coming from.

It's funny how murdererphiles always wonder why I dislike murderers. People like you are clueless.

I've lost no one to murder, but I cleave to those that have. That's my responsibility as a citizen and as a human being. It's something I knew to do at an early age, and I've never forgotten it. You, apparently, have.

Very astute question there Ima, I suspect it is transference from his other personal life experiences, I mean where else can you be bitter and mean and find a semi legitimate outlet for all the bile and unhappiness you want to throw at the world? You got it as did Joe, be a pro! His utterances here have been noticed for a long time not to be proportional to any reasonable stance or gripe he may have, naw, it is coming from somewhere else completely.

[bigmama]

josephdphillips said:

ima said:

Mother Theresa not only wrote the guys on death row but she also went to visit them. Also the Pope did too. Guess you think they are crazy sick wackjobs too huh?

The pope and Mother Theresa are/were no friends of humanity. They've done a lot more harm than good.

A benign, naive view of human nature doesn't change what people really are. Evil has to be met with force, not kindness and understanding.

Ima- the Pope and Mother Teresa didn't fall in love with or marry any of the murderers with whom they might have corresponded. Otherwise, the label might stick.

Joseph- what do you mean that the Pope (I'm assuming you mean John Paul II) and Mother Teresa weren't friends of humanity?

[dennis25]

californian said:

dennis25 said:

josephdphillips said:

I love my state !!!

Siena New York Poll:
Death Penalty: NY Split; Favor Life Without Parole

Loudonville, NY - By a margin of 46-42 percent, New Yorkers do not want to see the death penalty reinstituted. And by a nearly two-to-one margin (56-29 percent) they favor life without parole over the death penalty for first-degree murderers, according to a new Siena (College) Research Institute poll of New York voters released today.

"Nearly half of New York voters are opposed to reinstituting the death penalty and a clear majority (56 percent) support life without parole as the preferred punishment for first-degree murderers," said Joe Caruso, Director of Polling for the Siena Research Institute (SRI). " Even among death penalty supporters, more than one-quarter (26-61 percent) support life without parole as the most appropriate punishment."

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Again the LWOP smoke screen.

LWOP exists only at the pleasure of the courts or legislature. And if the DP is ever struck down, it will be the next punishment the antis begin to work against.

Dead is dead. [/quote]

No not smoke screen as I'm not against LWOP when someone kills multiple times.

[dennis25]

josephdphillips said:

dennis25 said:

Yes, you're right. I wouldn't look for a partner on DR either. But you know, some people go to the bar to meet people, some people go to the beach to meet people, some people join a sports club to meet people, some people go to the library to meet people, some people go to Death Row to meet people and fall in love. Falling in love just happens man.

Would some of you ladies please respond to this? Or give this chimp a banana, whichever is easier.

Yes whichever is easier. I figured out how you think just be reading some of your post. you always look for the easiest way to solve things. " that man killed 3 children, we've to kill him ", that's what you'd say. Yes, very easy and simplistic, sorry but the world is more complicated than your black and white thinking.

[dennis25]

sweethonesty said:

josephdphillips said:

Would some of you ladies please respond to this? Or give this chimp a banana, whichever is easier.

Sorry Dennis Love doesnt "Just" Happen.

Lust might "Just" Happen Or Sex might "Just" Happen.

But Love is a different emotion.

don't you believe in love at first sight ?
when my current girlfriend entered our university class for the first time, I fell in love with her right away. no joking.

[Felix2]

josephdphillips said:

ima said:

Mother Theresa not only wrote the guys on death row but she also went to visit them. Also the Pope did too. Guess you think they are crazy sick wackjobs too huh?

The pope and Mother Theresa are/were no friends of humanity. They've done a lot more harm than good.

A benign, naive view of human nature doesn't change what people really are. Evil has to be met with force, not kindness and understanding.

LOL, Joe, you are not fit to kiss the boots of either of these people. far from being removed from the underside of life they unlike you, got to see evil very close up, and both of them found redeeming qualities in what society despises.

[Felix2]

bigmama said:

josephdphillips said:

The pope and Mother Theresa are/were no friends of humanity. They've done a lot more harm than good.

A benign, naive view of human nature doesn't change what people really are. Evil has to be met with force, not kindness and understanding.

Ima- the Pope and Mother Teresa didn't fall in love with or marry any of the murderers with whom they might have corresponded. Otherwise, the label might stick.

Joseph- what do you mean that the Pope (I'm assuming you mean John Paul II) and Mother Teresa weren't friends of humanity?

He means that here you have two inherently decent a good people who were very worldly wise also, but neither fit Joe's adjenda of hatred. Hatred is the empty and only emotion Joe has to offer to anyone currently, but even he can be redeemed.

[Felix2]

sweethonesty said:

josephdphillips said:

Would some of you ladies please respond to this? Or give this chimp a banana, whichever is easier.

Sorry Dennis Love doesnt "Just" Happen.

Lust might "Just" Happen Or Sex might "Just" Happen.

But Love is a different emotion.

Excuse me, there is no "might" about lust and sex, it can and frequently does, if you are me, happen instantly. On the other hand I have never had experience of love at first sight, but am open to the possibility! Just thought I'd set you right there sweethonesty! ;D ;D

[josephdphillips]

bigmama said:

Joseph- what do you mean that the Pope (I'm assuming you mean John Paul II) and Mother Teresa weren't friends of humanity?

They're well-intentioned people, BigMama, but they traffic in human misery. Their luddite stand against contraception only makes the poor poorer.

Embrace the murderer, and you embrace murder. That's the way I see it. It doesn't matter if the embracer is Roman Catholic, a deathrowsexual or a member of Congress.

Grand theft auto is a mistake. Embezzlement is a mistake. Even rape is a mistake. Murder, however, is murder. There's no atonement, no redemption, no salvation, at least in the temporal world, for murder. You can never be an ex-murderer.

[Felix2]

josephdphillips said:

bigmama said:

Joseph- what do you mean that the Pope (I'm assuming you mean John Paul II) and Mother Teresa weren't friends of humanity?

They're well-intentioned people, BigMama, but they traffic in human misery. Their luddite stand against contraception only makes the poor poorer.

Embrace the murderer, and you embrace murder. That's the way I see it. It doesn't matter if the embracer is Roman Catholic, a deathrowsexual or a member of Congress.

Grand theft auto is a mistake. Embezzlement is a mistake. Even rape is a mistake. Murder, however, is murder. There's no atonement, no redemption, no salvation, at least in the temporal world, for murder. You can never be an ex-murderer.

That is not logical. You imply that an auto thief can be an ex-auto thief. What makes him an ex-thief? Simply because he has stopped. So then on what basis does this not apply to the status of being a murderer, other than you choose not to describe them as an ex?

[sweethonesty]

felix2 said:

sweethonesty said:

Sorry Dennis Love doesnt "Just" Happen.

Lust might "Just" Happen Or Sex might "Just" Happen.

But Love is a different emotion.

Excuse me, there is no "might" about lust and sex, it can and frequently does, if you are me, happen instantly. On the other hand I have never had experience of love at first sight, but am open to the possibility! Just thought I'd set you right there sweethonesty! ;D ;D

Ahhhh thanks Felix, but i think i'd rather stay single then let YOU set me up ;D

[pk]

Felix, You can give a car back, or a car can be recovered. You can stop stealing cars. You can never give back the life of a murder victim, their life can never be recovered.

[Felix2]

sweethonesty said:

felix2 said:

Excuse me, there is no "might" about lust and sex, it can and frequently does, if you are me, happen instantly. On the other hand I have never had experience of love at first sight, but am open to the possibility! Just thought I'd set you right there sweethonesty! ;D ;D

Ahhhh thanks Felix, but i think i'd rather stay single then let YOU set me up ;D

LOL, nothing ventured, nothing gained, but you're right, if I were you I'd never let Felix set you up! ;D

[pk]

Ima, I'm trying to understand what made you lose your religion where this murderer is concerned. You wrote to him knowing he murdered another human, by your own admission. Fooling you, taking your funds from you and lying to you, does not compare to taking a life. Why did you stop writing him after you found out he was guilty, when in fact, you believed he was guilty to start with? Where is your christian charity now?

1. He is a murderer, he deserves charity.

2. He took my funds and lied to me, he doesn't deserve christian charity.

Please explain.

[sweethonesty]

felix2 said:

sweethonesty said:

Ahhhh thanks Felix, but i think i'd rather stay single then let YOU set me up ;D

LOL, nothing ventured, nothing gained, but you're right, if I were you I'd never let Felix set you up! ;D

Ive been called dumb, but i can tell ya Felix, Im not stupid ;D

[dennis25]

pk said:

Felix, You can give a car back, or a car can be recovered. You can stop stealing cars. You can never give back the life of a murder victim, their life can never be recovered.

Hmm, sounds reasonable and good what you say. Never saw it that way. It's true that a murderer can't give back the life he took, but don't you think that he CAN regret for what he did and apologize to the victims family ?

[sweethonesty]

dennis25 said:

pk said:

Felix, You can give a car back, or a car can be recovered. You can stop stealing cars. You can never give back the life of a murder victim, their life can never be recovered.

Hmm, sounds reasonable and good what you say. Never saw it that way. It's true that a murderer can't give back the life he took, but don't you think that he CAN regret for what he did and apologize to the victims family ?

how is a regret or an apology going to help after the fact? Most times from what ive seen, the regret or apology only come after the killer/murder gets caught! it wasnt like it was in instant reaction to their actions.

[sweethonesty]

very few show any compassion or remorse for their actions.

Yet....the MVS feel the effects of a murderers actions, every da'mn day of their lives. I just dont understand people making excuses for the murderers.

[dennis25]

sweethonesty said:

dennis25 said:

Hmm, sounds reasonable and good what you say. Never saw it that way. It's true that a murderer can't give back the life he took, but don't you think that he CAN regret for what he did and apologize to the victims family ?

how is a regret or an apology going to help after the fact? Most times from what ive seen, the regret or apology only come after the killer/murder gets caught! it wasnt like it was in instant reaction to their actions.

You might be right, though. But it may comfort the victims family a little bit that apology ? Any comfort to them might be useful as they derserve that as they lost a loved one. But by executing a murderer, I can't understand why that can be comfortable to a victims family either.

[dennis25]

sweethonesty said:

very few show any compassion or remorse for their actions.

Yet....the MVS feel the effects of a murderers actions, every da'mn day of their lives. I just dont understand people making excuses for the murderers.

Please, don't get me wrong. I'm not making excuses for murderers ( I know you're talking to someone else, but just want to say something ), neither will I deny ther difficult time a victims family face. But by executing a murderer means that there are 2 victims of the crime, 2 families mourning etc. That's what I want to avoid.

[sweethonesty]

dennis25 said:

sweethonesty said:

how is a regret or an apology going to help after the fact? Most times from what ive seen, the regret or apology only come after the killer/murder gets caught! it wasnt like it was in instant reaction to their actions.

You might be right, though. But it may comfort the victims family a little bit that apology ? Any comfort to them might be useful as they derserve that as they lost a loved one. But by executing a murderer, I can't understand why that can be comfortable to a victims family either.

you need to read the posts of the MVS on this board, very few murderers care how the MVS feel. Comfort, excuses, apologies, will not reverse the actions of a murderer. Infact Few MVS actually find closure.

[josephdphillips]

dennis25 said:

Hmm, sounds reasonable and good what you say. Never saw it that way. It's true that a murderer can't give back the life he took, but don't you think that he CAN regret for what he did and apologize to the victims family ?

The more important question is: why do you care?

Remorse, a self-serving apology and a dollar won't buy a cup of coffee, let alone resurrect the dead. Anyone but a murderer can make amends, attempt to make a victim whole, and atone for his crime. Murder is not just a felony. It's murder, the permanent, irreversible and completely volitional taking of an innocent human being's life.

[pk]

"Dennis25, Hmm, sounds reasonable and good what you say. Never saw it that way. It's true that a murderer can't give back the life he took, but don't you think that he CAN regret for what he did and apologize to the victims family ? "

Dennis25, A murderer can never apologize to the murder victim, and while the MVS's can speak out for their loved ones, they can't accept an apology for the silenced victim. That's not possible. Regret? Regret means nothing when the victim is dead.

[SkyLoom]

ima said:

Even the best of us can become a victim of a con. Dont' think you are above it. You NEVER really know a person at all. No matter how well you think you do. So please don't judge me and think you are better or that I'm some low life that was looking for love in a prison. I wasn't.

You are so right about that, Ima. There are plenty of con artists walking the streets... and even sending out spam e-mails for get-rich-quick schemes. They wouldn't be so busy if the cons didn't work. I'm sorry to read that you got caught up in someone's lies, but it sounds like it happened because you basically have a good, generous heart. I hope you hold on to your good heart, but keep your eyes wide open and listen to the people who have proved over the years that they are true friends. The money comes and goes, but your real friends will stay. Call one of them soon and get back in touch, and don't waste time on a message board. Take care of yourself and all the best to you.