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Post by fuglyville on Sept 23, 2011 17:15:35 GMT -6
Considering the resources used to prosecute capital cases, pay for the defense and all the separate appeals - is it really worth it? Given the fact that several states are striving with the economy - are there really nothing more meaningful those money could be used for?
An argument often given in favour of the death penalty is that it gives those left behind "peace of mind" and to let them "move on" - with all respect, that's what you have mental health professionals for. If they're given LWOP, that should have the same effect upon those left behind as if the murderer were killed. They have all the right in the world to feel bothered by the state not acting upon their feelings, but that does mean that the state should act upon those feelings . Another argument is "knowing they would never hurt anyone again" - should they do so, that's a matter of failed prison security; it is not and should not be an excuse to kill them. Whether death penalty acts as a deterrent is still nowhere near a proven fact - the statistics seems to say the exact opposite.
Thus - when neither deterrence, economy, protection and those left behind are valid reasons... What's left?
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Post by Rev. Agave on Sept 23, 2011 17:23:14 GMT -6
. Thus - when neither deterrence, economy, protection and those left behind are valid reasons... What's left? Justice.
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Post by ltdc on Sept 26, 2011 12:16:13 GMT -6
and all the separate appeals - is it really worth it? not that anyone, anywhere believes for a second you care about costs, why don't you suggest that appeals be limited to one, presented in 6 months of conviction, and the gallows utilized the next day, you know if you're so concenred about costs and all. seems like that would save money
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 26, 2011 12:54:24 GMT -6
No comment to same ole same ole poetry.
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Post by arizonavet on Sept 27, 2011 8:21:45 GMT -6
Yes, IMHO.... However, it seems that we may be comming to a "meeting of the minds" here. So since the deterrent factor is very real....(murderers go down in every state where the death penalty is actively ascribed) And the obvious truth that "no executed murderer ever killed again".....is a huge factor. Then, executing them within, say, ohhhh, 6 months.... It would also make it financially, a win-win....right? Agreement is good
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Post by Californian on Sept 27, 2011 9:20:39 GMT -6
Excellent response. More to the point, the will of the people.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 28, 2011 9:26:04 GMT -6
Considering the resources used to protect DR capital cases, pay for the defense and all the separate appeals - is it really worth it? Given the fact that several states are striving with the economy - are there really nothing more meaningful those money could be used for? The death penalty is that it gives those left behind peace of mind& the public and to let them move on that person will not kill again.t; - with all respect, that's what we have mental health professionals and prisons for. If they're given LWOP, and they murder again. We have all the right in the world to feel bothered by this. Not acting upon their feelings "the murderers", the state should act upon justice. knowing they will never hurt anyone - should they do so, that's a matter of failed responsiblitiy too society; and should not be an excuse to allow to kill still while inside those walls. Whether death penalty acts as a deterrent is now near a proven fact - the statistics seems to say. Thus - and those are valid reasons... What's left? I agree From a pro' view
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 28, 2011 10:32:43 GMT -6
I believe non death penalty cases get appeals too. Are they worth the cost?
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Post by honkybouffant on Sept 29, 2011 4:41:14 GMT -6
. Thus - when neither deterrence, economy, protection and those left behind are valid reasons... What's left? Justice. Do you support hiring professional rapists to rape rapists, in the name of justice?
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Post by Rev. Agave on Sept 29, 2011 5:15:00 GMT -6
Do you support hiring professional rapists to rape rapists, in the name of justice? Would the rape be part of imprisonment or in lieu of imprisonment? If the former, I wouldn't be opposed to it. Of course, there is no way it would fly under the Constitution. That said, I think most citizens know what awaits numerous prisoners in the Big House, and many are willing to allow amateurs to do on the down-low what we cannot hire professionals to do openly.
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 29, 2011 8:28:34 GMT -6
Do you support hiring professional rapists to rape rapists, in the name of justice? No, we prefer long broom handles. ;D
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 29, 2011 9:12:05 GMT -6
Do you support hiring professional rapists to rape rapists, in the name of justice? Heck yes, if was a legally licensed Professional by laws of the land I would (will of the people). Of course he would be given directive of who to legally rape, not by random against who he chose by his own will, method and timing. Even if we had a "professional" rapist as you always prefer, he would not ever be licensed to touch a child under 18 I bet by law.
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Post by mel77 on Sept 29, 2011 11:26:48 GMT -6
Do you support hiring professional rapists to rape rapists, in the name of justice? Heck yes, if was a legally licensed Professional by laws of the land I would (will of the people). Of course he would be given directive of who to legally rape, not by random against who he chose by his own will, method and timing. Even if we had a "professional" rapist as you always prefer, he would not ever be licensed to touch a child under 18 I bet by law. I think I get what you mean.
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Post by Kay on Sept 29, 2011 14:06:09 GMT -6
Do you support hiring professional rapists to rape rapists, in the name of justice? Heck yes, if was a legally licensed Professional by laws of the land I would (will of the people). Of course he would be given directive of who to legally rape, not by random against who he chose by his own will, method and timing. Even if we had a "professional" rapist as you always prefer, he would not ever be licensed to touch a child under 18 I bet by law. And you want to live next door to someone who would do such a thing? Not for me thanks!
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 29, 2011 14:28:12 GMT -6
And you want to live next door to someone who would do such a thing? Not for me thanks! I don't understand the objection. Such a person would simply be doing his/her job, just like you and me. The job title wouldn't be "rapist" anyway, since consent would not be an issue. I got dibs on naming it.
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 29, 2011 14:29:13 GMT -6
Heck yes, if was a legally licensed Professional by laws of the land I would (will of the people). Of course he would be given directive of who to legally rape, not by random against who he chose by his own will, method and timing. Even if we had a "professional" rapist as you always prefer, he would not ever be licensed to touch a child under 18 I bet by law. And you want to live next door to someone who would do such a thing? Not for me thanks! I'm not sure if she's being serious.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 29, 2011 14:51:29 GMT -6
And you want to live next door to someone who would do such a thing? Not for me thanks! I don't understand the objection. Such a person would simply be doing his/her job, just like you and me. The job title wouldn't be "rapist" anyway, since consent would not be an issue. I got dibs on naming it.
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Post by Kay on Sept 29, 2011 17:17:48 GMT -6
And you want to live next door to someone who would do such a thing? Not for me thanks! I'm not sure if she's being serious. She hasn't clarified her position, and her post lacked a smilie, so I'm assuming that is wasn't said in jest.
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Post by Kay on Sept 29, 2011 17:19:09 GMT -6
And you want to live next door to someone who would do such a thing? Not for me thanks! I don't understand the objection. Such a person would simply be doing his/her job, just like you and me. The job title wouldn't be "rapist" anyway, since consent would not be an issue. I got dibs on naming it. Please feel free, I'd prefer no part in such preposterous position.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 29, 2011 17:29:20 GMT -6
I'm not sure if she's being serious. She hasn't clarified her position, and her post lacked a smilie, so I'm assuming that is wasn't said in jest. It was said in jest, just like the many posts of all murderers should be executed any degree of murder, or all murderers should get real life w/o parole any degree of murder. If we had a position legally for a licensed professional to deal with criminal rapist by using rape on them, I bet they would not rape again. Of course this will not happen any of the above.
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 29, 2011 17:41:49 GMT -6
She hasn't clarified her position, and her post lacked a smilie, so I'm assuming that is wasn't said in jest. It was said in jest, just like the many posts of all murderers should be executed any degree of murder, or all murderers should get real life w/o parole any degree of murder. If we had a position legally for a licensed professional to deal with criminal rapist by using rape on them, I bet they would not rape again. Of course this will not happen any of the above. And who in their right mind would even want to apply for such a job?
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 29, 2011 17:43:19 GMT -6
I'm not sure if she's being serious. She hasn't clarified her position, and her post lacked a smilie, so I'm assuming that is wasn't said in jest. You're right, I guess I just assumed. I guess I was giving her the benefit of the doubt. It seems as if she might be serious.
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 29, 2011 17:44:12 GMT -6
I don't understand the objection. Such a person would simply be doing his/her job, just like you and me. The job title wouldn't be "rapist" anyway, since consent would not be an issue. I got dibs on naming it. Please feel free, I'd prefer no part in such preposterous position. Well I guess Joseph Philips might.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 29, 2011 17:56:38 GMT -6
It was said in jest, just like the many posts of all murderers should be executed any degree of murder, or all murderers should get real life w/o parole any degree of murder. If we had a position legally for a licensed professional to deal with criminal rapist by using rape on them, I bet they would not rape again. Of course this will not happen any of the above. And who in their right mind would even want to apply for such a job? Same as saying who in their right mind would play a role in an execution I guess
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 29, 2011 18:00:30 GMT -6
And who in their right mind would even want to apply for such a job? Same as saying who in their right mind would play a role in an execution I guess Are people executed in the same way that they commit their murder? As much as I think they might deserve it, I wouldn't even think that is how we should be put to death.
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Post by Kay on Sept 29, 2011 18:01:12 GMT -6
Whitediamonds, Post 23 above was attributed to me, please correct, I never said those words.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 29, 2011 18:05:30 GMT -6
No we do not need a convicted criminals consent on their punishment if it is by the law,what the punishment will be. By a recognized legal profession. Prison is hard life to deal with, so is the rape victims to deal with. Murder the victim has lost everything nothing left, yet the murderer just has a tough life? [/quote]
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 29, 2011 18:07:48 GMT -6
Whitediamonds, Post 23 above was attributed to me, please correct, I never said those words. Sorry Kay fixed. Mean't to quote Joe
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 29, 2011 18:12:25 GMT -6
Same as saying who in their right mind would play a role in an execution I guess Are people executed in the same way that they commit their murder? As much as I think they might deserve it, I wouldn't even think that is how we should be put to death. No not in the same manner. Yet we do execute them. Criminal rape is extremely violate too.
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 29, 2011 18:30:15 GMT -6
Are people executed in the same way that they commit their murder? As much as I think they might deserve it, I wouldn't even think that is how we should be put to death. No not in the same manner. Yet we do execute them. Criminal rape is extremely violate too. Yes we execute them if we're lucky and then we have to prove that it isn't going to hurt. Yes, criminal rape is violent but like I said who is going to want to make their living using their body part raping someone. You reasoning is absurd.
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