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Post by Kay on Mar 25, 2006 7:53:41 GMT -6
While I agree that Newton should not have been executed, solely because I'm an anti, I feel strongly that she was guilty. She was given extra time, due to appeals, to retest the evidence in her case. And Spur's right, there was barely a murmur here in Texas when she was put to death, which is the case with most executions.
The real victims in this case, were Newton's children, who were murdered by the person they loved and trusted most in this world. Very sad.
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Post by Kay on Mar 9, 2006 7:20:34 GMT -6
I'm just curious Pam, as to why this inmate, was it just his writing style that caught your eye? Has Pennsylvannia even carried out any executions lately?
Do you have a link to his crime? I assume he's on Death Row.
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Post by Kay on May 3, 2006 16:41:17 GMT -6
He's actually going to Super Max, in Colorado, I heard on the news tonight, and not Leavenworth.
And even though I don't support execution, I have to wonder just how the jury arrived at it's decision. Surely this man's crime is the worst of the worse.
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Post by Kay on Mar 7, 2006 17:41:21 GMT -6
Ginger, I'm so sorry, I'm not sure what to say. I wish you strength. You and your family will be in my thoughts and prayers.
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Post by Kay on Feb 20, 2006 21:36:41 GMT -6
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Post by Kay on Mar 3, 2006 6:24:28 GMT -6
Hi Ginger, I don't know quite what to say here, I'm not sure the right words even exist. I think Rick made a good point, in caring for others you love, you're not faking it, but sharing what's left of your heart. I was watching a program the other night, and heard a MVS say that they felt their soul had been murdered, like the thread Grandma started, murder is forever. I know you are facing some tough times ahead with the trials, I pray that you can find the strength to endure. Hugs from me too Ginger
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Post by Kay on Feb 22, 2006 6:43:09 GMT -6
Excellent point Sonja. Those poor parents of Terri Winchell, what a roller coaster of emotions. They are again being victimized. I hope for their sake a resolution of this case is reached soon. :-*whatever the final decision of the courts. Had he been sentenced to lwop this emotional nightmare might not have been come up again now. Though I am against the dp, I have to admit that after looking up the facts of the crime I really physically felt sick and nearly had to throw up. I agree with you Michael, and once again the MURDERER is getting all of the attention.
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Post by Kay on Feb 22, 2006 6:25:59 GMT -6
Is lethal injection the only method allowed in California? My compassion is with the girl's family. They waited so long for justice, and now they have to wait even longer. Excellent point Sonja. Those poor parents of Terri Winchell, what a roller coaster of emotions. They are again being victimized. I hope for their sake a resolution of this case is reached soon. :-*whatever the final decision of the courts.
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Post by Kay on Jan 31, 2006 21:24:33 GMT -6
I hope the execution brings some measure of peace to the victims Juan Saenz Guajardo, and Marcos Sanchez Vasquez and their families
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Post by Kay on Jan 16, 2006 13:23:09 GMT -6
rather then post a morbid birthday message for this horrible man, i think that on this day he will probably spend the most time with his family in a long time and thats all that matters...but tonight, the families of 4 others will finally have their wish which has taken 23 years to come true Good post Bryan, a point coming your way for looking at both sides of the issue.
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Post by Kay on Jan 16, 2006 10:42:33 GMT -6
I don't feel sorry for Allen, he committed terrible crimes, but I do wonder about the burden on the executioners in this case.
Any thoughts? Is this exeuction going to be more difficult under the circumstances?
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Post by Kay on Jan 14, 2006 7:50:34 GMT -6
For some reason, this anti from Italy has included us on his mailing list....here is his take on Coleman. Dna test confirmed that Roger Keith Coleman was guilty of the crime for which Virginia executed him. This is not a victory for the hangman-friends, nor a defeat for the Abolitionist Movement because the guilty of a convicted person is the minimum request for a death sentencing. Coleman was guilty, but if all the guilties were executed we have had 100.000 executions and not a mere 1.000. Nevertheless innocent persons are convicted and some are executed. It happened in United Kingdom and also in United States where it happens now too because human justice is fallible. The Coleman case must remember to the Abolitionist Movement that we are against the death penalty as such and we are not fighting for the innocent, the poor, the mad or the black, but for the guilty. This post hit me like a ton of bricks. There is a movie with Tom Cruise and Jack Nicholson, I think it was "A Few Good Men" where Nicholson is testifying and yells out "You can't handle the truth", that's how I feel about this post. My anti stance seems to clash somewhat with my other values, for example I think the most important lesson you can teach your children is personal responsibility. Yet, try as hard as I might, I still am stuck with opposing execution. Why? Strictly at a conscience level, I suppose.
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Post by Kay on Jan 3, 2006 8:22:20 GMT -6
It looks similar to a guy in Texas. He was demanding a DNA test to combat the evidence that he did not rape and murder his step-daughter...The DNA test revealed that he was the person and he was executed later... I remember that Mike. Who was that? I can't remember the name. Hi Snowstorm, That case was here in my home state of Texas, and the murderer's name was Ricky McGinnis.
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Post by Kay on Jan 12, 2006 18:13:22 GMT -6
I'm very sorry for your loss JBpro, and I also don't think death row prisoners should be allowed to wed. It really does make me wonder what sort of person would wish to marry someone who had murdered. I don't understand her motivation, and don't even want to really.
I can't even begin to imagine how painful this must be for you and your family. I'm sorry.
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Post by Kay on Jan 12, 2006 15:56:33 GMT -6
I don't understand why anyone would want an innocent person to have been executed, pro or anti Wouldn't this mean that the real killer was still a threat to public safety and furthermore, had never paid for his crime? That kind of thinking just doesn't make sense.
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Post by Kay on Jan 12, 2006 15:18:51 GMT -6
I'm glad his guilt has again been proven, I didn't want to find out he was innocent. And Bryan is right, he died not only a rapist and a killer, but with lies on his lips until the very end.
Anti or pro, the world is a better place without his presence. No tears will be shed here for this man.
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Post by Kay on Jan 7, 2006 7:07:25 GMT -6
That is so horrible, that poor child, suffered her entire life, I can understand your anger Cookielady. I really do wonder though, why no one intervened to save this child from her mother.
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Post by Kay on Jan 7, 2006 18:39:23 GMT -6
According to those who post at the "anti" boards, no one bears personal responsibility for their crimes. The rhetoric makes me feel physically ill, how can someone who brutally murdered another human being, be a hero? I'm an anti who seriously questioned my stance after reading that board. Interestingly enough, the only people who have bashed me at this board were Suzanne and Judy, go figure........ And Cookielady, you need to remember, you and I are not REAL anti's just wannabes.
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Post by Kay on Dec 31, 2005 12:53:16 GMT -6
If this man's execution will bring any modicum of peace to the MVS, then so be it. I have a 14 year old daughter of my own, so I can only being to imagine the depth of their pain and loss, and yes horror. I wish healing and memories of happier times for these families, and pray Jenny and Elizabeth are at peace
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Post by Kay on Jan 1, 2006 19:02:20 GMT -6
What a lovely tribute thread Sunflowers. To all MVS, I pray that you will find peace and comfort in happy memories of your loved ones. May their lights always shine
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Post by Kay on Dec 13, 2005 15:35:24 GMT -6
Perhaps she's an anti, and doesn't support the death penalty. Nothing can take away the horror of her daughter's murder, what a terrible burden for her to carry. I can't even begin to imagine the depth of her pain.
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Post by Kay on Dec 13, 2005 14:23:47 GMT -6
Did she make this statement recently? I have to say I was appalled at all the hoopla surrounding Williams execution. My deepest sympathy to the MVS, in particular Albert Owens stepmom, who has retained her digninity throughout this whole ordeal.
Perhaps Samantha's mother is thinking the same scenario will happen with her daughter's killer. I'm an anti, but I would never try to intimidate or harass a MVS, I have too much respect for their loss.
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Post by Kay on Dec 12, 2005 23:42:56 GMT -6
In my opinion, the majority of these people don't even care about the death penalty, they are simply jumping on the media bandwagon. Can you imagine how awful this is for the families of the victims, they lost someone they loved to a brutal and violent crime, and all these people are protesting, disgusting
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Post by Kay on Dec 12, 2005 15:53:55 GMT -6
If more people had your attitude - it would be easier to stomach. I can buy the argument of capital punishment - but to me, it loses so much credibility when people on this board treat it like a birthday party. I think it's as disrespectful as a lot of the crazy postings on the anti (CCADP) board. Somewhere, there's families who have lost loved ones that are hearing this news...if there's any excitement, I would think it would be some sort of numb kind of relief. The celbrating people do though - to me it comes across as "I'm glad this all happened so we can kill somebody". It's very disturbing to me. Spur actually started a thread about exeuction "celebrations" Beej, if I knew how to post the link I would, but he had some good points. I'm glad for the families of the victims, the Governor finally made an annoucement, and I hope it brings them a measure of peace.
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Post by Kay on Dec 11, 2005 15:37:16 GMT -6
Welcome back Rebel Yell, glad you are feeling better.
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Post by Kay on Dec 9, 2005 20:59:44 GMT -6
I feel very sorry for the MVS families, they must feel like deer caught in headlights, and the waiting for a resolution must be agonizing. I saw Albert Ownens Stepmother on Good Morning America, how heartbreaking for them to be in such a position.
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Post by Kay on Dec 9, 2005 20:44:59 GMT -6
Williams has never confessed to his crimes, right? He still claims he is innocent of the four murders for which he has been sent to death row?
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Post by Kay on Dec 9, 2005 19:41:14 GMT -6
Do you guys think because he is taking his time in announcing his decision this bodes well for Williams?
I thought he would have made his decision public by now, in fact, I expected there might be an answer to Williams plea by this morning.
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Post by Kay on Jan 3, 2006 21:17:07 GMT -6
Thank you Amy, for the link.
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Post by Kay on Jan 3, 2006 20:41:15 GMT -6
Charlene, Those pictures made me cry too. How could any mother murder their babies. I'll never, ever understand
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