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Post by Kay on Jul 17, 2006 20:37:33 GMT -6
I voted no, I'm not sure if a 14 year old has the emotional maturity to handle such a situation.
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Post by Kay on Jul 24, 2006 18:12:45 GMT -6
Chester Allen Pouge's Ad Hi my name is Chester Allen Pouge and I can not ever see my family again , hug my family, or watch my future children grow up, while my murderers are free to advertise for pen friends . I am sorry I don't have an address you can write to me because I am 6 feet under but feel free to visit my graveside . RIP Mr Pouge !!!!! Sorry folks, in a sarcastic mood today or PMS ,whichever you want to call it .Wonder how many anti dp sites would post that ad ?OOPS!!!! None...silly girl ...what am I thinking ,the victim don't matter . When I read things like the article posted above, it makes me see red . Yes I am still an anti ,but hiding in the corner ,feeling like I need to hang my head in shame . It's times like this I turly question my stand . I gave you a point too Lady, Mr. Pogue suffered unbearably at the hands of those whom he thought were his friends. Like you, reading about these crimes makes me question my stance. Having said that, why should we give such an evil and murderous act, the power to change our moral makeup and our respect for life?
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Post by Kay on Aug 1, 2006 19:25:47 GMT -6
Thanks for clarifying your post Spur. I understand better to what you were referring. Edited to add, I still disagree
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Post by Kay on Aug 1, 2006 18:22:34 GMT -6
Beedo.....gezzzz.....you gonna steal my crown brother. I do understand what your saying though. I prefer to word it this way..... "If a murderer does kill someone..... I would personally rather them kill someone who was responsible for them being back in society or fights for their freedom even when guilty." Kenneth Allen Mc Shyt for example was paroled by the state of Texas even though the POS was on deathrow. Texas put the brakes on executions and this piece of whale shyt somehow had his sentence commuted to life. Somehow this hot steaming corn infested turd slip through our systems sewer pipe of ethical and political weakness.......he killed several more people once the board paroled him. Instead of innocent people being sadistically raped, tortured and murdered by the nutsack.....I would have rather it been the ones responsible for his release. They wouldn't have deserved it however it would have been the responsible victims for lack of a better term. I hate murderers and no one deserves it.....but I kinda like the way your thinking....carry on Hello Spur, Are you saying that simply because someone opposes the death penalty, they are somehow responsible, if they are murdered?
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Post by Kay on Jul 17, 2006 11:25:49 GMT -6
Interesting side note: his name came up in my ethical issues in counseling class today. Apparently his first murder set an important precedent in the field - his then wife took him to the hospital twice in one day (apparently he agreed to go) because she was afraid he was going to hurt her. Instead of checking into his background (which included rape), they assessed that he was no danger and let him go. One doctor even told his wife to stay away from him. After he killed her, their daughter sued the hospital and won, putting more pressure on hospitals in the future to hold a dangerous person and do a thorough mental assessment. Looks like there were plenty of mistakes made with this guy - after the hospital missed the boat, he only did what, five years for murder? It's funny how I have seen people get upet here because they think the anti's always seem to blame the victim....... yet here is a case where the pro's are blaming the victim.... Hi Murphy, Phatckat's not a pro, she's anti, and, I didn't interpret her post to mean that the victim was a fault, I believed she was saying that she felt the system failed society, as is often the case. So many of these people have murdered before, yet they are still released on parole, that to me is a huge problem.
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Post by Kay on Jul 15, 2006 17:24:55 GMT -6
Last night's subject was Phillip Jablonski, now on DR in California. Jablonski obtained a scumpal wife in prison, then when he got out, murdered not only her, but her mother, as well. (edit) Did I mention when he married scumpal wifey, he was in the joint for murdering his previous wife? While I always enjoy reading about Darwin Award winners, what I find reprehensible is the risk to which such Darwin Award winners put their real families, like the mother of the Darwin Award winner you mentioned. I also love the fact that he's still offering to help more Darwin Award nominees achieve their Darwinian fate with his 'I'm lonely on death row' and "seeking female teddy bear who is nonjudgmental" ad. (I bet he doesn't want a judgemental scum-pal!) Time for some 'Truth in Advertizing' Laws to be applied to such ridiculous death row scum-pal ads. At least force the placement of the crime for which they were convicted to be included in any such scum-pal requests. I like your suggestion Rick, but I'm not sure it would do much to disourage such relationships. A perfect example is a member here, who recently complained about the publicity her pen pal had received. I still wonder why people are interested in forming such a relationship, a conviction of murder and a sentence of death would be more than enough to deter me. On a spiritual level, while I find much comfort and peace in my beliefs, my heart is not generous enough to relate personally to murderers, and if they have a conversion, I feel this is between themselves and God.
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Post by Kay on Jul 11, 2006 17:47:26 GMT -6
Peace to the Ertmann's and Pena's. I hope this execution brings them a measure of closure. Remembering Jennifer and Elizabeth
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Post by Kay on Jul 10, 2006 5:33:48 GMT -6
Have a safe trip Charlene, I'll be thinking of you and the Ertmann and Pena family.
Do you know if there is a charity of foundation that has been established in memory of Jenny and Elizabeth, perhaps, a scholarship fund to which I could make a donation in their memory?
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Post by Kay on Jul 21, 2006 11:14:16 GMT -6
Not meaning any disrespect here, but those who writes to DR inmates ,knows exactly what the crime is ,and apparently it doesn't stop them ,so what is a few words on a message board by those who disapprove, going to do to stop it ,other then drive your blood pressure up . I have seen so many folks during the time I have been here, post" Do they not read up on the crime the inmate committed before writing ? " In some cases that is the reason for writing ,the crime they committed . I have been around alot of years and met alot of different folks so I have seen first hand how it all goes down . I have seen them during visiting times and it looks like they are playing the DR dating game or something ,because they compare their guys and talk about how fine they look ect... Not saying they are all like that but most are . There is only one lady that I can think of who has been involved for more then 2 yrs and she is a very nice lady but chooses not to draw attention to herself .She lives her life and just happens to love a man on DR. I believe she knew him before he went in ,so I suppose that would be different , I dunno . 2-3 yrs is the average length of time a DR romance last before the women grows tired and move on . I have seen alot come and go in all my years of visiting . You would think it would take some type of strength to be involved because it doesn't seem to be much of a life . I just think that evenually sinks in and they move on . Since I am giving insite on this subject ,from my years of observation, I will say one more thing . Every one seems to be under the impression that all DR inmates are con artist and out to get what they can from women ,such as money ,visits ,phone calls ect... While most probably are ,there is many that isn't . I can tell you of some times when it has been the other way around , the woman has scammed the man . I can think of 4 instances right off hand that I know about where it has been the other way around . Just figured I would share some insite on this subject from what I know of it . I am not speaking of all death rows ,just the one I have personal knowledge of . Thank you Lady, for your informative post. There are always different sides to each issue, I think you covered most of them.
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Post by Kay on Jul 21, 2006 11:13:14 GMT -6
I heard from someone that Noora O'Brien and O’Brien’s friends refused to give any interviews. So if she was an attention seeker I think she missed “once in a lifetime”-opportunity. Well perhaps, there's hope for her, and she actually has a sense of shame. I'm sorry, she married the guy three days before he was to be executed, you don't find that to be attention seeking?
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Post by Kay on Jul 10, 2006 19:17:50 GMT -6
Jeez, what is it with these insane Euroweenie women who come to the U.S. to visit their scumpal, and then marry them? I don't know what that particular psychiatric condition is called, but I'll bet it's in DSM IV and has a looooooong name. Dramatic Underachieving Penal Engagement Disorder. DUPED for short. ;D ;D ;D ;DA plus for you for making me laugh
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Post by Kay on Jul 11, 2006 17:43:46 GMT -6
It was nice to see that the newspaper included links to Jennifer and Elizabeth's memorial page set up by Charlene.
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Post by Kay on Jul 1, 2006 11:26:08 GMT -6
And now, as I wrap up my interest in the Sedley Alley case (which began when I heard about it in 1985) I will leave you all with a photo I took this afternoon on my way home from work. As a former military officer, I decided to pay my respects to Lance Corporal Collins and visit her memorial at Arlington. There were some roses left there, probably from her birthday earlier this month. So Consequences, it's true that a picture's worth a 1,000 words, and this one made tears well in my eyes. What a truly generous and heartfelt gesture on your part, dear Sir. Thank you
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Post by Kay on Jun 28, 2006 5:40:08 GMT -6
Peace and comfort to the family of Suzanne Marie Collins, whose nightmarish roller coaster ride, has finally come to an end.
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Post by Kay on Jun 21, 2006 9:33:16 GMT -6
There's no requirement here to disclose one's gender, haven't we been down this road before with Blakely? And honestly, what difference does it make to a person's posts, if they choose not to reveal if they are male or female? Well, Kay, for one thing it's disrespectful to readers. There is no gender-neutral pronoun in the English language that can refer to a person, at least in polite company. More importantly, it's chickensh#t. In the 15 years I've been communicating on bulletin boards, IRC, and with different chat clients, and after talking with literally thousands of people, I have yet to encounter a heterosexual male who wished to conceal his gender. (The straight ones that make the attempt quickly learn it doesn't work.) So the conclusion is that someone attempting to conceal gender here is 99% likely to be female. So why bother? I disagree Joseph, that it's disrespectful and in my opinion, I still think it's irrelevant to the debate. There is a poster here, a respected member of this board, whose opinions and ideas I enjoy reading and they have chosen not to disclose their gender. That doesn't make their posts any less interesting to my mind.
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Post by Kay on Jun 21, 2006 5:47:08 GMT -6
There's no requirement here to disclose one's gender, haven't we been down this road before with Blakely? And honestly, what difference does it make to a person's posts, if they choose not to reveal if they are male or female? Well I for one refuse to flirt with posters whose sex remains unknown! You flirt Felix, no way ;D ;D
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Post by Kay on Jun 21, 2006 5:19:01 GMT -6
Peace to the families of Anthony Roney, Riki Jackson, and Alonzo Stewart... That would also be my wish BigMama
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Post by Kay on Jun 21, 2006 4:48:57 GMT -6
well the drug Xanax ( Alprazolam ) is used with symptoms of PMS There's no requirement here to disclose one's gender, haven't we been down this road before with Blakely? And honestly, what difference does it make to a person's posts, if they choose not to reveal if they are male or female?
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Post by Kay on Jun 21, 2006 4:42:17 GMT -6
The mother has my sympaty but she wasn't forced to go to the execution. How about the mothers of the three who were shot down for looking at his girlfriend? My point exactly, Snowy. She could have written him off the moment he was convicted, if not earlier. She'd have been spared all the pain. Instead she chose to live in denial, throwing herself at a murderer, in a very public way, instead of keeping her dirty laundry private. I can tell you that I believe I would never "write my children off" Joseph. Perhaps, she has regrets about the sort of mother she was to her son and her guilt over his actions and his execution caused her reaction. Maybe she did everything within her power to turn him around in later years, I don't know. His crime was evil, I know his penalty was "justified" in the eyes of the pros, but I believe his mother does deserve sympathy, and I would never mock her pain, after all I lost a child too.
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Post by Kay on Jun 18, 2006 16:21:58 GMT -6
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Post by Kay on Jun 1, 2006 20:27:05 GMT -6
May Doug Kirby R.I.P. and prayers for peace for his survivors and loved ones who remain. Nice post JBS, peace to Mr. Kirby and his loved ones.
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Post by Kay on Jun 10, 2006 8:12:21 GMT -6
I read that thread, and to be really honest I didn't interpret the poster to mean she wished you physical harm, I think she was implying that if you were a witness to O'Brien's murderous act, you would have a different feeling.
As for him changing, that's not really relevant to the punishment for his past deeds, and for one moment in time, O'Brien was a monster, who preyed on two girls, surely that is enough information to make a judgment. And while I'm an anti, I have no sympathy for O'Brien's plight, is was his choice to murder.
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Post by Kay on May 22, 2006 5:23:43 GMT -6
On the 25th I'll be in either Nuremberg or Stuttgart watching soccer and there will be not even 1 second that I think of O'brien being executed or the 2 girls. In terms of self absorbed, devoid of mirth, totally narcissistic, and downright insulting, this line takes the cake. Why Dennis? What was the reason to write that? Did you not think what that would say to others? Did you not realize that the only possible outcome of that line is to take a dig at those that cherish the memory of two beautiful girls that suffered a horrendous death. Please don't respond by telling me that its perfectly fine because you won't be thinking about the murderer either, because that would only make things worse since it would equate the killer with his two innocent victims. I am dumbstruck by your callousness and total lack of feeling. Gee Mom, sorry you fell down the stairs and broke your hip and can't move, I'll be over tomorrow, gotta run the soccer match begins soon. Have a nice day. (that was sarcastic in case you missed that) Z Hi Z, Thanks for your post, I totally agree. In fact I find the majority of Dennis' post to be self absorbed and self serving and question why he is here, obviously not to learn or debate the issues at hand.
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Post by Kay on May 8, 2006 16:49:29 GMT -6
Looks like Dennis is giving them a run for thier money on those negative points. Yeppers, he's soon gonna put Felix to shame. And I'm still laughing at your post Grandma about the men in white coats with big nets ;D ;D
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Post by Kay on May 5, 2006 4:43:59 GMT -6
What else should we expect from Dennis...Intelligence is sure as hell not an option... No intelligence ? Bachelors degree at the RIT. Masters degree soon here at the UvA And when the creator was handing out common sense, empathy and compassion, you were obviously behind the door, because I see no evidence of those qualities in any of your posts. I also find it hard to believe that someone as intelligent and caring as Michael Stoker supports your boorish and insensitive posts. And if you're going to proclaim him as your ally, you could at least take the time to spell his name correctly.
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Post by Kay on May 3, 2006 20:29:44 GMT -6
Thank you Bryan, you're a sweetheart. A point and a posey. Rest in peace Ms. Lottie.
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Post by Kay on May 3, 2006 19:25:06 GMT -6
I researched the case history on this murder, and despite spending hours digging into newspaper and magazine archives, I could not find one, single, solitary picture of poor little Lottie. Says a lot about our press, don't you think. Lots of pictures of the murderer, but not one of this innocent little girl, who was so brutally murdered.
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Post by Kay on Mar 31, 2006 6:25:29 GMT -6
How very tragic Charlene, more loss and death for this family. Please pass along my sympathies, and I'll pray for the Moseley family.
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Post by Kay on Mar 30, 2006 6:34:30 GMT -6
Interesting that his mother also seemed to make excuses for her criminal activity, even when caught red handed with the evidence. Makes you wonder, if she didn't somehow contribute to her son's behavior. Peace to Jerome Harville and his family
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Post by Kay on Apr 1, 2006 7:54:35 GMT -6
I've hesitated to post here BJH, because I'm not sure how to find the words to express my sympathies. I'm sorry for the loss of your mother. That you have so much upheaval, and tragedy in your life is truly unfair. I wish you strength to endure the ordeal you are facing. You and your family are in my prayers and thoughts. God's peace.
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