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Post by Kay on Dec 1, 2005 18:55:45 GMT -6
I'm sorry. I'm half Euroweenie, does that help
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Post by Kay on Dec 1, 2005 18:54:09 GMT -6
No, Kay would never lie. One of you two euroweenies is lying. Thanks for that Blakely.
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Post by Kay on Dec 1, 2005 18:53:25 GMT -6
One of you three is lying. Sorry Blakely, that was me, forgot to submit my vote
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Post by Kay on Dec 1, 2005 18:48:32 GMT -6
I voted no.
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Post by Kay on Dec 2, 2005 5:59:29 GMT -6
Hi Euro,
There is a poll on this in the main discussion thread. Most everyone, pro and anti, American's and other nationalities disagreed with thiis punishment. And you are right, no one is forced to take drugs.
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Post by Kay on Nov 29, 2005 11:47:55 GMT -6
This man strangled his mother in law, and evil act, then returned the next day and suffocated a 5 year old child (poor baby, what a horrible way to die) and blamed in all on a cocaine fueled psychosis Is it even possible that a cocaine fueled rage could last for two days? The first killing was awful enough, but the fact that he killed a baby to cover up his crime, seems even more henious, and premeditated.
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Post by Kay on Dec 1, 2005 6:38:34 GMT -6
The postings here remind me of Suzanne and her insistance that Richard Cartwright was innocent. Yet his last appeal to the Supreme Court stated he shot Mr. Moridia because he was under duress.
However the case develops, I hope that justice is served for all involved.
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Post by Kay on Dec 1, 2005 6:28:27 GMT -6
Hello Euro,
Good grief, don't you get tired of all German's being classified as Nazis. I hate all of these generalizations and stereotypes that get thrown around.
And you are wrong about Amy, she is a kind, considerate and yes, resonable. And your attack on her, like the previous one Felix launched, is unwarranted in my opinion.
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Post by Kay on Dec 1, 2005 6:02:39 GMT -6
Felix,
Amy is one of the most reasonable and kind members we have at this board. She is feeling defensive because of Hazel's chartacterizaton. Would you not feel the same if someone here stated all Irish people are idiots? I believe your attacks are unwarranted.
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Post by Kay on Nov 28, 2005 14:14:46 GMT -6
So does this mean no new trial and the original verdict and sentence are reinstated?
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Post by Kay on Nov 27, 2005 14:02:06 GMT -6
i dont have a problem with him being executed, although it probably is morally wrong to execute someone over drugs i see two strong reasons on why he should be executed..he was an Australian native and smuggled drugs into a foreign country, well if he doesn't want to be executed then dont...i am sure he knew the risk but did it anyway, and was it worth it? apparently not...if you choose to do a crime in a foreign country, you should know the consequences...the second reason i see is the crime itself, drugs are without a doubt a horrible thing in itself...drugs kill so many peoples lives and only make people wishing they were dead or worse...that should be murder, for killing a mans soul with an addiction Cogent and compelling, Terrence. You've been where most people haven't, and it shows. Drug dealers and traffikers are spiritual rapists. You folks can't imagine the harm they do. If Singapore wants to protect its citizens from addiction by putting the hammer down on those who deal in the pernicious trade in narcotics, more power to them. Hello Joseph, I believe you are one of the most strident advocates at the board for personal responsibility and character, a point of view I share, so I find your statement here contradictary. Do you see addicts as victims?
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Post by Kay on Nov 27, 2005 5:11:48 GMT -6
Thank You.........this execution is SO WRONG i dont have a problem with him being executed, although it probably is morally wrong to execute someone over drugs i see two strong reasons on why he should be executed..he was an Australian native and smuggled drugs into a foreign country, well if he doesn't want to be executed then dont...i am sure he knew the risk but did it anyway, and was it worth it? apparently not...if you choose to do a crime in a foreign country, you should know the consequences...the second reason i see is the crime itself, drugs are without a doubt a horrible thing in itself...drugs kill so many peoples lives and only make people wishing they were dead or worse...that should be murder, for killing a mans soul with an addiction I agree with you Bryan that he knew the penalty for smuggling drugs. However, people choose to use drugs. People don't choose to be victims of murder. I think the execution will be carried out as planned, but I don't agree with execution. In this instance, I do see the death penalty as a strong deterent to drug smuggling.
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Post by Kay on Nov 18, 2005 20:48:23 GMT -6
Dear Carolyn, I am so sorry that your daughter's life was taken by the brutal and selfish actions of another. I pray that in time, the happy times and love you and your daughter, Amber, shared will sustain and comfort you, those are things no one can ever steal. You have my deepest sympathy, and as Spur said, my deepest respect for being able to share your pain, anger and sorrow. I'll pray that you may find some peace.
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Post by Kay on Oct 29, 2005 8:17:36 GMT -6
Ploof 's kid posted that she attended his hearing and that she met his 12 year old daughter who he recently came in contact with. First, what kind of woman would have sex and bear a child with that monster? Second, why wd you tell your child who her father was? I wd move away and change my name and tell my daughter he never existed. How do you tell a little girl that her father likes to rape and burn to death pregnant women? I wonder about this too Blakely, I'm not certain what I would do in this position, but my maternal instincts tell me this is wrong. I wondered about this too with the Cartwright case. His websites had pictures of his daughter plastered everywhere. I know she was just a baby when he was sentenced to death. Why let her form a relationship with someone who was condemned to be executed? Seems like it would bring her nothing but heartbreak. I wonder if they have told her the reason she can't visit her father anymore.
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Post by Kay on Oct 27, 2005 18:07:31 GMT -6
A human being on death row, could it be true? Not only does he talk the talk, he seems to be walking the walk with this letter to KDOL. He raises some very good points, and yes even sees some of these demented people for the groupies they actually are.
Do you have a link, Charlene, to the murder of which he claims he "innocent"?
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Post by Kay on Oct 25, 2005 13:04:01 GMT -6
Thanks Happy Gradma, I enjoy reading your posts too.
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Post by Kay on Oct 25, 2005 8:49:42 GMT -6
The really sad issue is his little boy Conner, who will never get to celebrate any of his birthdays. My gift to him would be a conscience, which he is obviously lacking. Perhaps, then, he would truly pay for his hideous crime.
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Post by Kay on Oct 20, 2005 9:02:20 GMT -6
I believe that Frances Newton is the one who failed. She failed her parents, but worst of all she failed her children. It is beyond all comprehension to me, how a parent could murder their child.
I'm very sorry for her parents, they have my deepest sympathy. I can understand why they would be in denial and want to believe their daughter. If they don't then they have to admit that their daughter murdered her own children, what an unthinkable burden. There but for the grace of God, go I.
I hope they can find some peace.
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Post by Kay on Oct 17, 2005 7:14:23 GMT -6
A black man taking responsibility finally. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not often do you see that .... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sounds pretty racist to em. Sweethonesty placed the post and explained it to you. Why do you still doubt her point? Once again, it would seem your mind is closed to debate. And I find it quite ironic that someone who bashes another country on a regular basis, would resort to name calling.
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Post by Kay on Oct 7, 2005 4:48:37 GMT -6
986 what Snowstorm, is this how many people we have executed since the Supreme Court re-instated the death penalty? Not anything I would want to brag about. For everyone person we executed, how many died first?
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Post by Kay on Oct 7, 2005 6:29:37 GMT -6
what she says is from the heart and very true, although his half ass apoligy might have been good, that tupac appeal is still disgusting Do you really thing he was the one responsbile for his defense? Oh, maybe he said it in passing, i.e., the music got to him or something, but I don't think he is the once who came up with the defense. I think you are probably right Blakely, he really didn't have an excuse or a reason for murdering Trooper Davidson. He was a young, impressionable teenager, who thought he was invincible. Obviously, Texas proved he was not. Seems like such a waste,. I do hope his death brings some consolation to the victims family, but is it really justice? I'm not a MVS, so it's not fair for me to say, but it would seem to me, that justice is not possible when someone has been murdered.
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Post by Kay on Oct 11, 2005 8:46:50 GMT -6
I just want to add that now this girl has to live for the rest of her life because of the actions of her father. Her life will change for her now. Will she be labelled as the kid whos dad was executed by the state for murder?? For what he done a little girl must carry this with her through life. Its something i would not like to live with. Kids can be cruel at times. Will she be bullied at school?? But then i could ask myself another question and that is do i feel for her. I cant really answer that one just now. Hazel how ture this is .I feel so badly for that poor little girl. I have seen kids visiting their fathers on DR and it tears me up to see them kissing the glass . The little ones who goes can't understand why Daddy can't hold them or touch them . It is not something I would ever subject my child to ,especially at a young age . WE see them as killers ,they see them as their father , and the whole thing is just so sad . There is only one person to blame for the whole situation and that is the inmate . Most families of DR inmates hides the fact their family member is on DR , I know in my case I do ,in order to try and protect my children from cruelity . I feel it is wrong the way they publicized this childs life so much , to look for pitty , as in the case of Cartwright's daughter. I gave you a plus for that Cookielady. I agree with you, they did use Cartwright's daughter to garner sympathy for his situation. I have to wonder about parents that expose their children to death row prisoners. I'm not in that situation, but I can't see how it could result in anything but pain for the child.
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Post by Kay on Sept 9, 2005 7:49:55 GMT -6
If we have executed an an innocent person, it is a terrible, irrevocable error. I would truly like to believe that it has never happened, but no human system is infallible.
I kind of struggle with your question about abolishing the system because of this, as I think no persons should be executed. However, if the death penalty were abolished and LWOP was the harshest sentence, I would presume there would be less appeals and less attention given to murderers.
Seems you are damned either way. Guess it would be better just not to murder, and put your self in that situation in the first place.
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Post by Kay on Sept 12, 2005 21:03:17 GMT -6
Oh, puhleez. I would sooner call myself a mindless liberal twit (what the heck, I probably am) than use that term to describe Kay. There are antis who don't think before they post, but Kay is a thoughtful, sensible anti who believes in harsh punishment. Of course, for some people, the fact that you are anti means you are necessarily mindless. God, where would we be without typecasting? Works both ways. For some people the fact that I'm a pro means I'm the devil incarnate. Thanks AKA for your kind words, I do try to put some thought into my posts before pressing the send button And Blakely, when I first came to this site, I did view pros as "bloodthirsty". I now know, that in the majority of cases, that's not true.
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Post by Kay on Sept 12, 2005 15:33:43 GMT -6
Did a little editing, didn't you, agaveman? I don't think Kay is a twit, either. Far from it. She is against the death penalty. Fine. She is not lying about the facts or falsely claiming this person is innocent. Most people are not conversant in the commutation of death penalty cases in Texas, so her questions are legitimate. Thank you, Blakely, for that vote of confidence, it's much appreciated.
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Post by Kay on Sept 12, 2005 15:17:38 GMT -6
Kay...i think you would be safe, unless of course you named her as a beneficiary in your will and then you would wake up one moring dead, just like Farah, Alton and Adrian the people she murdered for the inusrance money....But keep thinking those liberal thoughts and the world will lose more innocent people. Just think Alton would be 25 now, perhaps getting out of college, or working on his masters, or holding down a job and starting his own family, or finding a cure for cancer, or any of the other things 25 year old young men are doing... Perhaps Farah would be in college maybe in a sorority, or active in a charity, or working as a fashion model/designer or starting on her post graduate work. What is she doing now? Not a thing...she is dead and has been for the past 18 years.... As far as her husband goes, perhaps he would be bouncing a grandchild on his knee, or taking a grandchild or two to the park to feed the ducks, or reading them a bedtime story, or just thinking about the wonderful times he had watching his kids grow up, graduate from High School, or college or opening gifts on the past 18 Christmas mornings....but what is he doing now? the same thing his kids have been doing for the past 18 years.... What do you think the grandparents of those kids did all these years being deprived of thier little loved ones? They probably cried, got sick and died without having seen thier grandkids grow up...But you want to let her out? Now read this slowly so it sinks in....The Death Penalty is just that, it is the Penalty you receieve when you murder. I know it's hard to rationalize, but think of it this way. When you rob a bank at gunpoint, knowing full well that the law forbids it, do you think the rest of the world is going to stop robbing banks becacuse you were going to prison for the next 25 years? NO, it is YOUR PUNISHMENT.... The law does not state anywhere that by executing an individual for murder that it is intended to prevent other murders, it is the PENALTY for the murder YOU committed..... quote] I do not know how anyone could read this great Benty post and still be an anti. Guess you have no be a "mindless, liberal twit" Agaveman
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Post by Kay on Sept 12, 2005 15:00:08 GMT -6
Kay...i think you would be safe, unless of course you named her as a beneficiary in your will and then you would wake up one moring dead, just like Farah, Alton and Adrian the people she murdered for the inusrance money....But keep thinking those liberal thoughts and the world will lose more innocent people. Just think Alton would be 25 now, perhaps getting out of college, or working on his masters, or holding down a job and starting his own family, or finding a cure for cancer, or any of the other things 25 year old young men are doing... Perhaps Farah would be in college maybe in a sorority, or active in a charity, or working as a fashion model/designer or starting on her post graduate work. What is she doing now? Not a thing...she is dead and has been for the past 18 years.... As far as her husband goes, perhaps he would be bouncing a grandchild on his knee, or taking a grandchild or two to the park to feed the ducks, or reading them a bedtime story, or just thinking about the wonderful times he had watching his kids grow up, graduate from High School, or college or opening gifts on the past 18 Christmas mornings....but what is he doing now? the same thing his kids have been doing for the past 18 years.... What do you think the grandparents of those kids did all these years being deprived of thier little loved ones? They probably cried, got sick and died without having seen thier grandkids grow up...But you want to let her out? Now read this slowly so it sinks in....The Death Penalty is just that, it is the Penalty you receieve when you murder. I know it's hard to rationalize, but think of it this way. When you rob a bank at gunpoint, knowing full well that the law forbids it, do you think the rest of the world is going to stop robbing banks becacuse you were going to prison for the next 25 years? NO, it is YOUR PUNISHMENT.... The law does not state anywhere that by executing an individual for murder that it is intended to prevent other murders, it is the PENALTY for the murder YOU committed.....Is that so diffucult to understand? Ever think of those scenerios you mindless liberal twit? I don't think we are accomplishing anything by executing this woman. Will we all be safer, after she is gone? Will her execution act as a deterrent? Regarding Snowstorm's comment that she could not receive LWOP, cannot the governor commute her sentence? I realize Texas did not have LWOP when she was sentenced, but does he have the authority to change her sentence to LWOP? Not that I believe he will, just wondering. I do however, think she has sealed her fate, and I fully believe she will be executed. Hi Benty, I didn't say that I thought she should be released, simply not executed. What she did was truly disgusting, and I feel relatively certain she is guily. You are of course correct in pointing out death is the penalty for murder.
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Post by Kay on Sept 12, 2005 11:40:12 GMT -6
I don't think we are accomplishing anything by executing this woman. Will we all be safer, after she is gone? Will her execution act as a deterrent?
Regarding Snowstorm's comment that she could not receive LWOP, cannot the governor commute her sentence? I realize Texas did not have LWOP when she was sentenced, but does he have the authority to change her sentence to LWOP? Not that I believe he will, just wondering.
I do however, think she has sealed her fate, and I fully believe she will be executed.
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Post by Kay on Jul 19, 2005 14:58:38 GMT -6
Why, if the value of this person is zero, as you pros claim, do you care what he is doing at this time, or how much longer he has to live. Why bring so much attention to his demise, when in order for it to take place, a person was murdered? Because the value of his life is not zero. It is -3.67888 Can you send me the formula you used to calculate that Aga, I guess I'm not familiar with how you place a value on a human life, or maybe I'd rather not know. Do you think the murderer placed a value on his victim? I'd say he probably did, wonder what calculations he used?
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Post by Kay on Jul 19, 2005 14:52:13 GMT -6
I wonder if this guy is eating his last meal? Is his last outfit all laid out, including the diaper? Why, if the value of this person is zero, as you pros claim, do you care what he is doing at this time, or how much longer he has to live. Why bring so much attention to his demise, when in order for it to take place, a person was murdered?
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