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Post by fuglyville on Jul 4, 2013 20:03:51 GMT -6
the governor of okla is a real governator, dont most governors usualy follow what the board reccomends. Mary Fallin(and Rick Perry, among others) is a fundamentalist nutcase. Such things should never be left to elected officials - while they strive to be "tough on crime", they fail at common sense and justice.
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Post by fuglyville on Jul 4, 2013 10:12:55 GMT -6
With all the fundamentalist Christians already occupying Hell, there's hardly room for anyone else. And those who believe in a cruel and vengeful God, should reread the Sermon on the Mount. Reread the Sermon on the Mount will do no good in a debate, it is not a source of profound moral truth. Nor, frankly, is the rest of the Bible. If you need the threat of Hell to be a decent and moral person, you have a problem.
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Post by fuglyville on Jul 4, 2013 9:17:26 GMT -6
With all the fundamentalist Christians already occupying Hell, there's hardly room for anyone else. And those who believe in a cruel and vengeful God, should reread the Sermon on the Mount.
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Post by fuglyville on Jul 4, 2013 6:26:19 GMT -6
If God is good, and not the psycopath he often seems to be, their execution paid their debt to society - thus they should be just as welcome in The kingdom of Heaven as any of you.
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Post by fuglyville on Jun 28, 2013 18:57:27 GMT -6
Requiescat in pace...
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Post by fuglyville on Apr 9, 2013 18:02:33 GMT -6
This begs the question - what kind of support is given to the families and relatives of those executed in the U.S.? Really sad their own family member brought this pain onto them too. But regardless of that, their loss and sorrow deserves the same support as those left behind by the original victim. This seems to be a forgotten aspect of the death penalty debate.
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Post by fuglyville on Apr 9, 2013 17:02:42 GMT -6
This begs the question - what kind of support is given to the families and relatives of those executed in the U.S.?
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Post by fuglyville on Mar 9, 2013 18:15:34 GMT -6
I can't see any good reason why this shouldn't go through, and hopefully other states will follow. If they actually manage to repeal, there's still hope for common sense, justice and compassion.
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Post by fuglyville on Feb 18, 2013 16:28:48 GMT -6
Yes, but if you take away the MEs evidence the case will be weaker. you can't rationally take away the forensic evidence. here, you have a fool dredged up by god only knows who, coming in claiming that the injuries COULD be due to a fall. he certainly can't say that the original evidence is impossible. that leaves a jury to determine whose testimony is more credible. the fact that she ran, and buried the kid, tips the scales to murder Still - the prosecution has to prove beyond doubt that she was guilty; the defense need only create doubt about the conviction. And in a death penalty case, this is even more important. Thus - with the doubt in this case, the wise and justified choice would be to let her go. She might still be guilty, but the risk of killing an innocent person is far worse than potentially letting a guilty person go free.
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Post by fuglyville on Feb 3, 2013 18:11:16 GMT -6
... and what is the connection between the EU and the UK murder stats...? I think they are arguing getting rid of the dp in order to join the EU has resulted in a massive increase in homicides That statement takes for granted that there is significant evidence that the death penalty is a significant deterrent against homicides. The effect of the death penalty as a deterrent has yet to be proven, which is something a lot of people fail to understand...
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Post by fuglyville on Feb 3, 2013 8:47:06 GMT -6
Britain joined the EU in 1973 and it has been slowly strangling us ever since! Stats for Uk murders year by year. ... and what is the connection between the EU and the UK murder stats...?
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Post by fuglyville on Jan 31, 2013 20:12:02 GMT -6
Any references for that statement...? Besides, the U.K. has more important things to deal with before they eventually might consider reintroducing the death penalty - the health care crisis is just one of them. Giving priority to the death penalty would be irresponsible given the current situation - besides, given the EU's stance on capital punishment it's a diplomatic impossibility. With all that's wrong with the European Union, this is one of the few positives.
The real danger is believing that reintroducing the death penalty will solve the crime problem - it won't. In fact, it can hardly be said to solve anything - thus, why bother?
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Post by fuglyville on Jan 6, 2013 19:57:37 GMT -6
I love Sheriff Joe, I think he knows just what he's doing and it's all good as far as i'm concerned. I don't know how long he can hold out against President Obama and US Attorney General Holder. They are trying to put him in a federal prison. I have contributed to his campaign fund and his legal defense fund. The fact that this nutcase keeps getting re-elected speaks volumes about the terrible state of the U.S. correctional system, and how easily people are fooled. Hopefully, his stir crazy attitude towards corrections will be replaced by common sense. What he does, have everything to do with preserving his own image and beliefs, and nothing to do with actually preventing crime.
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Post by fuglyville on Jan 4, 2013 17:27:51 GMT -6
Requiescat in pace...
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Post by fuglyville on Jan 2, 2013 21:49:35 GMT -6
There are soldiers who have legitimate mental health issues as a result of their service. This murdering b@stard is not one of them. Luckily, that decision is not up to you.
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Post by fuglyville on Dec 25, 2012 12:34:41 GMT -6
but those 9 drug dealers that he killed are still murder victims by definition. The same murder victims that we advocate justice for..... I don't agree victims imply that thy did not put themselves in the predicament to get killed. Thy are no more victims than a terrorists who dies committing acts of terror. No, these guys deserved it 100% they put themselves in the situation to be killed. A victim could an innocent bystander who may have been killed in the middle of one of them being killed. These guys were in the drug trade where the business is to kill off their competition. These scumbags I hope felt pain before they I wish this plight on many more like them. Thugs who die even prisoners who get murdered all.cum are never victims they asks to be killed. They're murder victims just as much as an innocent bystander would be - neither they, nor anyone else ever asks to be killed. Your argument rests on the assumption that their actions lessens their humanity, and that's - frankly - *bullcrap*.
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Post by fuglyville on Dec 7, 2012 20:31:25 GMT -6
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Post by fuglyville on Dec 6, 2012 18:39:36 GMT -6
This is hardly an issue unless the state of California actually start executing people - then we have a problem. They could have fixed this once and for all by repeal, but unfortunately killing people seemed more important than common sense.
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Post by fuglyville on Nov 27, 2012 2:05:54 GMT -6
One thing is for sure, is that the lengthy appeals process sends a message that we do not take crime seriously. I agree 43 an hour would send a huge message. 43 a month would at least be better than 5. I am just glad that the stays this month were minimal. The problem we have is that out of the people we do execute, they are a small fraction of people that got the death penalty that should have. There are soo many that commit crimes that qualify for death but manage to skate the sentence at trial. If it were upto me I would kill all violent felons. Any crime that resulted in violence would get the death penalty in my ideal society. If we had that rule crime would be ultra low. A thorough appeals process takes time - that's a fact people will just have to live with. The fact that people are still exonerated - sometimes just before the scheduled execution - shows that the importance of thorough appeals are as important now as ever, if not even more important. Considering the resources involved in dealing with capital cases already, 43 executions a month would demand a lot more qualified public defenders, prosecutors and judges. Given that eliminating opportunities for appeals are out of the question, one could safely assume that the judicial process will take at least as long in the future as it does now - thus, I doubt that the necessary increase in resources are really worth it.
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Post by fuglyville on Nov 5, 2012 6:57:32 GMT -6
If they do win, I guess that's up to them. If they for some reason can't accept the money personally, then I guess Amnesty International or the ACLU needs whatever support they can get. What's most important, anyhow, is to see the inmates as human beings. The fact that they may have committed horrible acts, is never a justification for inhumane and/or cruel treatment. Their human rights are just as important as anyone else's - and if there is any truth to his allegations, heads should roll(figuratively speaking) in the TDCJ. Not all lawsuits involve a large payout. This type of suit is not for money but to have a court rule on an interest of law. So if they win, its not money, its that the TDOJ will have to kiss their a$$ more and treat these cuddly little "kittens" with kindness and respect. When they deserve to be thrown in a cold dungeon shackled to the walls until their X-Day. I know I know you will respond all these human beings blah blah did bad things but we should treat them with kindness blah blah blah. My kindness to them is a quick painless death The fact remains that they have the right to be treated humanely, and in accordance with human rights and the constitution. If the TDCJ can't deal with this - and they've obviously failed miserably -someone should take responsibility. If correctional officers can't deal with inmates in a humane and respectful manner, they're unfit for the job.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 30, 2012 16:44:02 GMT -6
If his allegations are true, he certainly has a case. Even those on death row has certain rights, and their actions are never an excuse for denial of those rights. True, then the money from the law suit can cover their executions, they are still on DR for excessive heinous crimes of denying the innocent victims constitutional rights to life which the victims have been denied forever by them. Who else should benefit from the law suit money fugly? If they do win, I guess that's up to them. If they for some reason can't accept the money personally, then I guess Amnesty International or the ACLU needs whatever support they can get. What's most important, anyhow, is to see the inmates as human beings. The fact that they may have committed horrible acts, is never a justification for inhumane and/or cruel treatment. Their human rights are just as important as anyone else's - and if there is any truth to his allegations, heads should roll(figuratively speaking) in the TDCJ.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 30, 2012 8:06:29 GMT -6
If his allegations are true, he certainly has a case. Even those on death row has certain rights, and their actions are never an excuse for denial of those rights.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 16, 2012 15:12:20 GMT -6
What's most tragic here, is that the parents apparently believe they'll find comfort in another death - and those who encourage that belief.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 15, 2012 16:13:21 GMT -6
We owe them nothing We have no use for them being alive, they do not deserve my respect, my sympathy, and they no longer have the right to live in dignity. The had a chance to live a dignified life, but they decided that they wanted to murder and harm people instead. Thanks to you anti-DP, criminal loving a$$holes, life in prison is a joke. They do not reform from their crimes. There is no reason to keep them alive. Why do you anti's want to keep them alive, why? The answer is that some of you are soo depraved yourselves. You are happy with anything that goes against the descent people who work hard live a good life. You hate good people, you only like criminals, you want them to kill. You try to spare their lives hoping they will kill again. That probably sounds ridiculous but, its the only logical thing that I can come up with why you treasure their lives soo much, even though if you invited one these thugs over fo tea and crumpets, they probably will murder you over what ever petty cash that you have and skip town. If we kill these people we prevent them from murdering again, yes they will murder again if they get the chance, case in point, Eric Robert. He killed a prison guard in failed prison escape. Can you imagine what he would have done if his escape was successful? If we cannot prevent them from killing in prison the death penalty is the only way to do it. But it needs to be swift like Robert. Yelling that death penalty opponents support murder, doesn't make it true... Even the most vile of murderers deserve to be treated as human beings - the fact that you can't understand why, is your own problem. This includes treating them with respect and humanity, giving them the medical and psychiatric help they need and avoid unneccesarily cruel punishment or torture. The fact that they have done horrible things, is never an excuse for the state to take their lives.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 15, 2012 15:54:27 GMT -6
The treatment of death row inmates are a disgrace and a tragedy. A disgrace and a Tragedy the treatment of DR inmates? Who is it that keeps them on DR for yrs? Could it be the defense attnys or the anti movement itself? DR inmates get the most attention, marriage, cell phones illegally", money in accounts, pps, books. Like they are honored for commiting the most heinous crimes. Befriended like they are idols. That is a tragedy I agree. They get the attention and everything because the state intends to kill them. if they had stuck to LWOP, the inmates would eventually be forgotten - but seeing as the state still insists on taking their lives, people care about them. You can't kill them off without the public caring - if people really wanted the victim to be remembered rather than the murderer, they'd have stuck with LWOP.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 14, 2012 16:36:48 GMT -6
They will be treated as human beings because they are human beings - doing something else, is a severe breach of medical ethics. The fact that they have done horrible deeds, does not make them any less human. Actually, if it means anything to be human, they have clearly done things that makes them less human. Of course, if "being human" means nothing, then nobody could be more or less human. Being human means right to be treated as a human being, with human dignity - and not like a rabid dog. Even murderers are human beings - terrible deeds does not make them any less human.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 14, 2012 16:13:46 GMT -6
The treatment of death row inmates are a disgrace and a tragedy.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 14, 2012 14:59:17 GMT -6
The death penalty abolitionists have just as much sympathy for the victims as those who support the death penalty - there is no contradiction between opposing the death penalty and taking care of those left behind. Any remarks other then "save murderers" ?? Hell no, only that same ole same ole " they" are human..? Your the type at a crime scene you would instantly be defending the murderer rights and how human he/she is"" it is obvious by your words and focus who it all is really for and about. . You made that clear here. Treating prisoners like human beings is common decency, just like taking care of the victims are. If "victims rights" activists fail to see that, they've misunderstood victim's rights...
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 14, 2012 14:50:59 GMT -6
The U.S. murder rates alone should be enough to crush the deterrence argument - and when that fails, there aren't really much left. If every murderer was executed what do you think the murder rate would be? Seeing as the murder rate in states without the death penalty are already significantly lower than states with the death penalty, there's hardly significant evidence to warrant more executions. Instead of dealing with the deeper causes of crime, certain states have turned to the easy and cowardly solution - killing them off. What the correction system in the U.S. have failed to understand, is that people can change - and if you treat people like crap, you build the foundation for future crime. If you treat prisoners like human beings, there is always a potential for change. Obviously - there are those who believe that treating prisoners as human beings necessarily means you're ignoring the victims, but they do not and should not decide justice.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 14, 2012 13:37:28 GMT -6
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Medical ethics, borrowed largely from Catholic Medical ethics..
Sometimes no good solutions to a dilemma in medical ethics exist.[/quote]
That's right, but in this case there are no real dilemma. The state has a duty to take care of those in its custody, whether they're mass murderers or pocket thiefs.
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