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Post by D.E.E. on May 2, 2006 14:12:16 GMT -6
I have no doubt that you made them in full honesty that does not prevent me from thinking they are Crap. Lots of people's ideas are crap, does not stop them from presenting their ideas. ok, i like it that you say that i made my structure in full honesty, some here think I made it just to annoey others, which was not my attention. I made the structure based on my life experiences and the research I did by comparing DP states as non dp states. The problem is your life experiences are few. How many people have you known that have been murdered, how many murderers do you actually know? How many people have you met that have been in prison for violent crimes, have you ever had a real fight not some school yard dispute but a win or lose fight? Research is fine if you take in enough variables to make it worth while. You can not for example judge Texas by New York they do not have much in common. Texas has a history that NY does not and can not even begin to understand, and on the other hand NY has a history most Texans do not care to understand. The fact that Texas has a border with Mexico and NY has one with Canada has a large impact on things like our population and our economic growth. Your POV may be yours and it may even be an honest one it is just one that is not really well thought out nor is it viable in most states even in NY. Most in NY apparently really want the DP and I believe they had it for a few years until the NYSC stopped it, which means that if they change the rules it may well be back again shortly, at least I believe that is the case, I could be wrong as I do not pay much attention to NY nothing there for me.
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Post by dennis25 on May 3, 2006 4:14:32 GMT -6
so what you're saying is that when a person has ever had to fight for his life, he can be labelled as an adult according to you ? I don't know persons personally that have been murdered, I don't know any murderers personally, I never met someone in prison or who's been released', neither has many million others like me ever had the experience of what you described, however, does our pov mean less ?
That we border Canada and Texas Mexico doesn't mean anything - > New York has always been diverse in population and our city is just as diverse as any Texan city. we've Hispanics too in East Harlem. no, it's not true that most in NY or from NY want the DP, we prefer LWOP, but not the DP. Rickz, allison and my parents and some friens are the only New Yorkers I know of that support the DP - > their bad.
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Post by D.E.E. on May 3, 2006 7:49:45 GMT -6
so what you're saying is that when a person has ever had to fight for his life, he can be labelled as an adult according to you ? I don't know persons personally that have been murdered, I don't know any murderers personally, I never met someone in prison or who's been released', neither has many million others like me ever had the experience of what you described, however, does our pov mean less ? That we border Canada and Texas Mexico doesn't mean anything - > New York has always been diverse in population and our city is just as diverse as any Texan city. we've Hispanics too in East Harlem. no, it's not true that most in NY or from NY want the DP, we prefer LWOP, but not the DP. Rickz, allison and my parents and some friens are the only New Yorkers I know of that support the DP - > their bad. Your life experiencs have everything to do with your view. Most people that are older have met criminals, have met someone that has been affected by violent crime, has had other life experiences that lead to their views and is one reason that people change views. You have few life experiences the ones I listed are only a few but are ones that are more likely to have an effect on how one sees violent actions. New York may have a dirvise poplulation but it is a different population than Texas has, that is unless you have several million illegals flowing across your borders. You have Hispanics in one part of your city we have them in ever part of ever city and a large numbers of them being illegal. Funny the majority of people in NY usually say they would like the DP as an option for some murderers. Most people also like LWOP as an option, I my self like it but I also like to have the DP as an option. Ask a simple question, what would they like to have happen to one who helped in the 9/11 incident LWOP or death. The majority will say death, and that means they would like it as an option it does not mean they support it for all murders.
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Post by dennis25 on May 3, 2006 8:59:47 GMT -6
I'm not sayin that people that have met criminals, had to fight for their lives, know murderers etc, are less experienced, but what I'm tryin to tell you is that most perosns in this world won't have to fight for their lives ones, don't know murderers or victims and so on. Every single person has a different experience and we base our experiences on that, or what we've been told by the media or what we've seen ijn a movie. One small reason I became an anti was after I saw the last dance for the first time. And I told that before here.
Saying that we have a different population than Texas because we don't have millions of illegal alliens is irrelevant, like illegal laiens are less human than legal citizens. And on LI we've plenty of illegal aliens. Don't forget either that we also get many legal immigrants, perhaps even more than TX, this also changes our demographic data.
A person that helped to carry out 9/11 killed more than 20+ people and should be given the DP. But I'll ask New Yorkers a simple question when I get there and ask them what the penalty for murder should be :
1 ) life 2 ) LWOP 3 ) DP
I know the answer, it's number 2
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Post by D.E.E. on May 3, 2006 12:40:41 GMT -6
I'm not sayin that people that have met criminals, had to fight for their lives, know murderers etc, are less experienced, but what I'm tryin to tell you is that most perosns in this world won't have to fight for their lives ones, don't know murderers or victims and so on. Every single person has a different experience and we base our experiences on that, or what we've been told by the media or what we've seen ijn a movie. One small reason I became an anti was after I saw the last dance for the first time. And I told that before here. Saying that we have a different population than Texas because we don't have millions of illegal alliens is irrelevant, like illegal laiens are less human than legal citizens. And on LI we've plenty of illegal aliens. Don't forget either that we also get many legal immigrants, perhaps even more than TX, this also changes our demographic data. A person that helped to carry out 9/11 killed more than 20+ people and should be given the DP. But I'll ask New Yorkers a simple question when I get there and ask them what the penalty for murder should be : 1 ) life 2 ) LWOP 3 ) DP I know the answer, it's number 2 Never mind I can see you are too young to understand that most people who are past age 30 have met someone who is the victim of violent crime if they are not victims themselves. Most people over 30 do know someone who was murdered or knows someone who had a loved one murdered. You simply do not have the life experiences of those that are older no matter how you try and play it. No matter how you try and spin it NY and Texas are completely different in the social-economics area, attitude, population, culture, and hundreds of other things. Yes Illegal immigrants are different than legal ones, one group followed the rules to get here the other did not and does not. The fact is Texas, NM, Arizona, and California have many time more illegal immigrants in each state than NY ever will. We have large numbers of them crossing every day, NY does not. I realize this is a little difficult to understand for you, but Texas is nothing like NY and does not want to be. Most of the people I know from NY would like to have the DP as an option for Child murderers and serial killers (even if it was only a few that they managed to murder before being caught) and others that do henius crimes of that nature. How about someone that plants a bomb in the subway but only manages to kill 19 but confesses he really want to kill hundreds and is disappointed he did not, still only a few years with the chance to kill more?
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Post by dennis25 on May 6, 2006 8:59:10 GMT -6
you're too funny ! Do you really think that most people past the age of 30 have been victims of crime or know a victim of crime. Can you back that up with any statistics, of course not, you just talk nonsense and you know it. I can bet that a 10 year old child that has known war all his life, has more life experience than you, DEE I know we're different, but we're both diverese in population. And New York is much more beautiful. We have the empire state building, Brooklyn bridge, statue of liberty, niagara falls, Buffalo, Rochester - > Texas has nothing. Texas has some more illegal aliens ? So what ? We've more Jewish Americans and so what ? I can get along with all humans. And I wouldn't even return to nyc if it was like Texas The new yorkers I know disagree with you and I know better because I was born there LWOP
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Post by Stormyweather on May 6, 2006 12:36:25 GMT -6
Dear People: I have been reading your vehement protests against allowing these convicted murderers be paroled, and quite frankly, I have been wondering why, if someone is so opposed to letting these people live outside prison walls, they don’t just privately execute these creatures? In other words, kill the killers themselves. After all, it's just a post-birth abortion, right? Why hasn’t this already been done? Of course it won’t be a State-sanctioned killing, but whoever gets killed is just as dead either way—by the electric chair, lethal injection, lethal gas—or a load of buckshot in the guts at pointblank range. Now, I’m, NOT advocating this; I’m just asking why hasn’t anyone ever done this? (edited by admin) Again, I’m NOT advocating actually doing this, but I AM throwing this one out for discussion: Why hasn’t anyone who feels so strongly about this just gone ahead and done something on their own? sincerely, Marc 85902 Because we're law abiding citizens.
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Post by Stormyweather on May 6, 2006 12:53:18 GMT -6
jennaleigh Simple, it's the deliberately killing of another human being Which is much deserved!
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Post by Stormyweather on May 6, 2006 12:54:59 GMT -6
That's not what murder is, Dennis. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being. I don't care about lawful or unlawful, what I care about is accidently or deliberately. In my dictionary, murder is :The deliberately killing of another human being, unless it's when killing a person is in self defense or in the defense of a another. Killing a person who's already behind bars, is first degree murder, because they inmate is killed DELIBERATELY I find it odd that you say this. I thought murder was a "mistake" in your opinion.
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Post by Stormyweather on May 6, 2006 12:57:40 GMT -6
So is a police officer killing someone who is in the commission of a crime, is that also then murder? A soldier who is on the battle field and kills an enemy who is trying to kill him is that murder? There are lots of occasions that the deliberate killing of another does not constitute murder. killing in self defense or the defense of another person is ok. Some people can't defend themselves like little children. We are defending the rest of the defenseless by protecting them when a murderer is executed.
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Post by Stormyweather on May 6, 2006 13:04:37 GMT -6
Yes I'm quite young. but that's because I told my age otherwise you would not have guessed my age or probably would have said 45 or so. Dennis I wouldn't have guessed you to be 45. I would have guessed you to be only about 11 or 12. I'm not sure if I even believe 1/2 of what you say.
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Post by Stormyweather on May 6, 2006 13:08:01 GMT -6
1 ) antis that support punishment don't support murder otherwise they wouldn't support punishment. Dennis I doubt if other antis enjoy you speaking on their behalf unless they think just like you. Very few that I know personally at this board. You don't believe in punishment because you believe in letting them out if they apologize.
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Post by dennis25 on May 7, 2006 7:08:48 GMT -6
1 ) antis that support punishment don't support murder otherwise they wouldn't support punishment. Dennis I doubt if other antis enjoy you speaking on their behalf unless they think just like you. Very few that I know personally at this board. You don't believe in punishment because you believe in letting them out if they apologize. you didn't read A-E did you ?
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Post by D.E.E. on May 7, 2006 12:00:09 GMT -6
you're too funny ! Do you really think that most people past the age of 30 have been victims of crime or know a victim of crime. Can you back that up with any statistics, of course not, you just talk nonsense and you know it. I can bet that a 10 year old child that has known war all his life, has more life experience than you, DEE I know we're different, but we're both diverese in population. And New York is much more beautiful. We have the empire state building, Brooklyn bridge, statue of liberty, niagara falls, Buffalo, Rochester - > Texas has nothing. Texas has some more illegal aliens ? So what ? We've more Jewish Americans and so what ? I can get along with all humans. And I wouldn't even return to nyc if it was like Texas The new yorkers I know disagree with you and I know better because I was born there LWOP To the first this is too easy, just ask people over 30 if they have a) been a victim of violent crime, b)knows anyone who has been a victim of violent crime, c) knows anyone who has been to prison for a violent crime. If the majority of Americans say no to all of the above you may have a point however the majority of people I know all say yes in fact I would be hard pressed to find someone over 30 to say no to at least 2 or the 3 questions. To the second no I do not think a child of age 10 who has know war all his life has as many life experiences as I have since he only has war. Of course a child may see it differently. To the third are the Jewish people here legally? If so then it is not similar at all. Of course since a child does not understand the difference between an illegal and someone who is a)here legally or b)born here then I see where you are coming from. To the last I have known a lot of people from NY and most are for the DP, while you may have been born there I suspect you only know a group of people your age that are all in agreement with you, that is the way children form their opinions. I have been to NY saw nothing impressive about it, the falls were nice but well not impressed, Buffalo was okay for a city as was Rochester but they were still just cities and all states have them. The statute of Liberty was nice, if fact the best thing about NY. The bridge was just like 100's of other bridges in lots of other states and the Golden Gate in CA was much better if I was to judge bridges. Texas well I wish more Yankees would decide to stay home and leave Texas alone. Glad I do not have to worry about you bring you dumb as s to Texas we have enough people here from NY as it is. For a child you sure do try to act smart but continue to show how very young you are.
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Post by dennis25 on May 8, 2006 5:21:19 GMT -6
you don't show any statistics to prove your point, you just assume that people over 30 if they have a) been a victim of violent crime, b)knows anyone who has been a victim of violent crime, c) knows anyone who has been to prison for a violent crime but neither can I prove you're wrong so we're both either right or wrong
I think it has, because that kid knows how to survive. You've been in the army, but most of us haven't, so generally speaking I can say that that 10 yo kid has more life experience
you keep saying I'm a child and that's just because you can't win this discussion with arguments, so I stop discussing with you because it's annoying that ya refer to my age all the time.
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Post by Kay on May 8, 2006 5:45:02 GMT -6
Hi DEE,
Obviously all the MVS here have been victims of violent crime in the worse possible way, most I believe are at least 30 years of age. I'm 50 and have worked in banking for 26 years, and we have been robbed twice, both times at gunpoint, so the answer for me is also yes.
I'd be interested to know how many others here at the board can answer your question in the affirmative.
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Post by D.E.E. on May 8, 2006 8:13:39 GMT -6
you don't show any statistics to prove your point, you just assume that people over 30 if they have a) been a victim of violent crime, b)knows anyone who has been a victim of violent crime, c) knows anyone who has been to prison for a violent crime but neither can I prove you're wrong so we're both either right or wrong I think it has, because that kid knows how to survive. You've been in the army, but most of us haven't, so generally speaking I can say that that 10 yo kid has more life experience you keep saying I'm a child and that's just because you can't win this discussion with arguments, so I stop discussing with you because it's annoying that ya refer to my age all the time. Afraid to ask adults questions that is child like. I have not served in the Army, I am a Marine. I do not expect you to know the difference. A Child that is 10 years old that has only known war does not necessarily know how to survive, his family may be good at protecting him. He may know how to survive in a war but has no other life skills, so no he does not have a lot of life experiences. A rich child that is 25 years old and never experienced adversity also has no life experiences that is why I consider you a child. Of course you will not continue because that is what children do when they are losing they quit.
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Post by D.E.E. on May 8, 2006 8:18:22 GMT -6
Hi DEE, Obviously all the MVS here have been victims of violent crime in the worse possible way, most I believe are at least 30 years of age. I'm 50 and have worked in banking for 26 years, and we have been robbed twice, both times at gunpoint, so the answer for me is also yes. I'd be interested to know how many others here at the board can answer your question in the affirmative. I do not remember the exact stastic but something like 1 in 4 Americans are the victims of violent crimes by the time they are 50. That would mean that most people over 30 at least know someone that has been a victim, if they have not been one themselves. When you add knowing a convicted violent criminal in to the mix the pool is larger and therefore I believe most fall in to the list I have given. Dennis is a 25 year old child that has been protected all his life and his friends fall in the same catagory and he is currently living in Europe that the odds change in.
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Post by dennis25 on May 8, 2006 9:35:37 GMT -6
I told you that I will not discuss with you anymore if you don't change your bahavior towards me
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Post by D.E.E. on May 8, 2006 12:55:49 GMT -6
I told you that I will not discuss with you anymore if you don't change your bahavior towards me Boo Hoo I have hurt the poor child's feeling now he won't play anymore. You have not given me reason to change my attitude to-wards you.
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Post by Sandoval on May 10, 2006 21:31:08 GMT -6
I've never been the victim of a violent crime, however I know many people who were. Hi DEE, Obviously all the MVS here have been victims of violent crime in the worse possible way, most I believe are at least 30 years of age. I'm 50 and have worked in banking for 26 years, and we have been robbed twice, both times at gunpoint, so the answer for me is also yes. I'd be interested to know how many others here at the board can answer your question in the affirmative. I do not remember the exact stastic but something like 1 in 4 Americans are the victims of violent crimes by the time they are 50. That would mean that most people over 30 at least know someone that has been a victim, if they have not been one themselves. When you add knowing a convicted violent criminal in to the mix the pool is larger and therefore I believe most fall in to the list I have given. Dennis is a 25 year old child that has been protected all his life and his friends fall in the same catagory and he is currently living in Europe that the odds change in.
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Post by onetwobomb on May 13, 2006 8:54:50 GMT -6
I doubt if other antis enjoy you speaking on their behalf unless they think just like you. Very few that I know personally at this board. You don't believe in punishment because you believe in letting them out if they apologize. you didn't read A-E did you ? Dennis here's what your "A-E" is really like: 1) Say they're sorry - anyone can do that 2) promise not to kill anyone - anyone can do that 3) wear a tracking device - umm, pointless, and anyone can do that I forget the other one but I'm sure it's just as rediculous.
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Post by dennis25 on May 14, 2006 12:48:45 GMT -6
you didn't read A-E did you ? Dennis here's what your "A-E" is really like: 1) Say they're sorry - anyone can do that 2) promise not to kill anyone - anyone can do that 3) wear a tracking device - umm, pointless, and anyone can do that I forget the other one but I'm sure it's just as rediculous. A-E maens 5 conditions and so not 3 the you just mentioned
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Post by mel77 on May 14, 2006 15:47:52 GMT -6
Those stats are shocking. Thank God I have never been the victim of any sort of crime ... ah yes except for having my wallet stolen at a club. A friend of mine was raped though but didnt want to go to the police, that was a very tough one.
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