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Post by dennis25 on Apr 26, 2006 6:46:41 GMT -6
no, I just want execution to be murder, nothing more. Too bad we don't always get our wants. Think of all the MVS's that did not want murder to happen at all. So it looks like you are still wrong and you still ain't getting your want. I'll get what I want, it's only a matter of time.
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Post by mel77 on Apr 26, 2006 11:21:54 GMT -6
When/if that happens I'll honor it. In the mean time your definition is null and void. my definition is logical and understandable. the laws are way to complicated for a notmal person to understand. I'm not talking about traffic law, but about crime laws etc. no, dennis, actually it is quite easy to understand.
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Post by D.E.E. on Apr 26, 2006 12:43:45 GMT -6
Too bad we don't always get our wants. Think of all the MVS's that did not want murder to happen at all. So it looks like you are still wrong and you still ain't getting your want. I'll get what I want, it's only a matter of time. No you may think you will but it is not happening.
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Post by onetwobomb on Apr 26, 2006 15:44:57 GMT -6
onetwo, I've to admit that you know very much on the topic for your age. I'm just wondering where you get all the knowledge from ( a positive tihng ), but at the age of 16, I wasn't worrying to much about the DP. I was a rabid pro, but spent my time more on hitting on girls, school thna on an issue like the DP. About McVeigh: We all know that he killed 168 people, so there's no need to let him leave if he was just only sentenced for killing 8 federal employees. He was not sorry for what he did, he didn't apologize, he didn't coopereate with the investigation, so we rightfully executed him. However, if he really showed remorse, he could be given LWOP, but not released at the age of 80, cuz we all know he killed 168 people. But he was only tried for the murder of 8 people. We can't sentence of execute someone for a murder they weren't tried for. It doesn't matter if "we all know he did it." McVeigh was tried, convicted, and executed for 8 counts of murder. It would be unconstitional to execute him for the other 160 people he killed.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 27, 2006 5:11:00 GMT -6
I'll get what I want, it's only a matter of time. No you may think you will but it is not happening. Never say never, my friend. How do you know for sure it's not happening ? We can't change the fefinition of murder, but we can change the qualification - execution should be qualified as 1st degree murder. I call it how I see it. If you would face me and tell me that you're happy that a murderer has been executed in your state - I'll tell you that you're a murderer too by supporting the execution. I would tell you exectly how I see you.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 27, 2006 5:12:38 GMT -6
onetwo, I've to admit that you know very much on the topic for your age. I'm just wondering where you get all the knowledge from ( a positive tihng ), but at the age of 16, I wasn't worrying to much about the DP. I was a rabid pro, but spent my time more on hitting on girls, school thna on an issue like the DP. About McVeigh: We all know that he killed 168 people, so there's no need to let him leave if he was just only sentenced for killing 8 federal employees. He was not sorry for what he did, he didn't apologize, he didn't coopereate with the investigation, so we rightfully executed him. However, if he really showed remorse, he could be given LWOP, but not released at the age of 80, cuz we all know he killed 168 people. But he was only tried for the murder of 8 people. We can't sentence of execute someone for a murder they weren't tried for. It doesn't matter if "we all know he did it." McVeigh was tried, convicted, and executed for 8 counts of murder. It would be unconstitional to execute him for the other 160 people he killed. If we really wanted, we could try him also for all those other murders he committed, but we didn't because we know he would get the DP anyway. However, if my structure would be in place, McVeigh would be tried for 20 + killings, because we know that would qualify for the DP.
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Post by D.E.E. on Apr 27, 2006 11:43:42 GMT -6
No you may think you will but it is not happening. Never say never, my friend. How do you know for sure it's not happening ? We can't change the fefinition of murder, but we can change the qualification - execution should be qualified as 1st degree murder. I call it how I see it. If you would face me and tell me that you're happy that a murderer has been executed in your state - I'll tell you that you're a murderer too by supporting the execution. I would tell you exectly how I see you. Crap I do not care how you see me, I see you as one who supports murder and trust me I really would not be worried about you telling me anything to my face. People who support murder really do not mean much to me and their opinions mean even less. It may change but not while either of us are alive.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 27, 2006 11:52:35 GMT -6
Never say never, my friend. How do you know for sure it's not happening ? We can't change the fefinition of murder, but we can change the qualification - execution should be qualified as 1st degree murder. I call it how I see it. If you would face me and tell me that you're happy that a murderer has been executed in your state - I'll tell you that you're a murderer too by supporting the execution. I would tell you exectly how I see you. Crap I do not care how you see me, I see you as one who supports murder and trust me I really would not be worried about you telling me anything to my face. People who support murder really do not mean much to me and their opinions mean even less. It may change but not while either of us are alive. I also see you as a person that supports murder/execution, which is the same to me. I'm still young and perhaps within 10 years the DP is gone in the US and I'll have a big party in down town Manhattan and I hereby invite you to come and join the party
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Post by D.E.E. on Apr 27, 2006 12:08:25 GMT -6
Crap I do not care how you see me, I see you as one who supports murder and trust me I really would not be worried about you telling me anything to my face. People who support murder really do not mean much to me and their opinions mean even less. It may change but not while either of us are alive. I also see you as a person that supports murder/execution, which is the same to me. I'm still young and perhaps within 10 years the DP is gone in the US and I'll have a big party in down town Manhattan and I hereby invite you to come and join the party It is obvious that you are young. I do not support murder however I do support execution. You one the other hand not only support murder you enable it and have no problem seeing innocents die at the hands of one that has already been convicted of murder.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 27, 2006 12:36:50 GMT -6
I also see you as a person that supports murder/execution, which is the same to me. I'm still young and perhaps within 10 years the DP is gone in the US and I'll have a big party in down town Manhattan and I hereby invite you to come and join the party It is obvious that you are young. I do not support murder however I do support execution. You one the other hand not only support murder you enable it and have no problem seeing innocents die at the hands of one that has already been convicted of murder. Yes I'm quite young. but that's because I told my age otherwise you would not have guessed my age or probably would have said 45 or so. However, execution is deliberately killing another human being, another creature by God and you can't just take that away. If you support execution, you support murder. That's the way it should be. I don't support murder as I support punishments for murderers and when you are willintg to support murderers to be punished, you don't support murder. To summarize it for you : 1 ) antis that support punishment don't support murder otherwise they wouldn't support punishment. 2 ) pros that support execution, supports murder. so, pros supports murder and antis don't. That's how I see it Dennis
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Post by D.E.E. on Apr 27, 2006 14:52:00 GMT -6
It is obvious that you are young. I do not support murder however I do support execution. You one the other hand not only support murder you enable it and have no problem seeing innocents die at the hands of one that has already been convicted of murder. Yes I'm quite young. but that's because I told my age otherwise you would not have guessed my age or probably would have said 45 or so. However, execution is deliberately killing another human being, another creature by God and you can't just take that away. If you support execution, you support murder. That's the way it should be. I don't support murder as I support punishments for murderers and when you are willintg to support murderers to be punished, you don't support murder. To summarize it for you : 1 ) antis that support punishment don't support murder otherwise they wouldn't support punishment. 2 ) pros that support execution, supports murder. so, pros supports murder and antis don't. That's how I see it Dennis Wrong this is how it goes. Antis like you (not all mind) support letting murders out after a short time and then if they re-offend then put them back in prison. This enables them to re-offend. Pro's want to see them executed preventing them from re-offending. Therefore Antis like you not only support Murderers, they enable them to re-offend. I knew you were young from the first moment I read your post. There are many indicators of your age and all scream young and dumb.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 28, 2006 4:22:57 GMT -6
Yes I'm quite young. but that's because I told my age otherwise you would not have guessed my age or probably would have said 45 or so. However, execution is deliberately killing another human being, another creature by God and you can't just take that away. If you support execution, you support murder. That's the way it should be. I don't support murder as I support punishments for murderers and when you are willintg to support murderers to be punished, you don't support murder. To summarize it for you : 1 ) antis that support punishment don't support murder otherwise they wouldn't support punishment. 2 ) pros that support execution, supports murder. so, pros supports murder and antis don't. That's how I see it Dennis Wrong this is how it goes. Antis like you (not all mind) support letting murders out after a short time and then if they re-offend then put them back in prison. This enables them to re-offend. Pro's want to see them executed preventing them from re-offending. Therefore Antis like you not only support Murderers, they enable them to re-offend. I knew you were young from the first moment I read your post. There are many indicators of your age and all scream young and dumb. UR wrong again, I dont want murderers to be put in jail a short time or to be released, those for release are exceptions that must complete some severe conditions. And when they've met those severe cojnditions - it's highly unlikely that they re-offend. You can't guess my age through the pc screen of by my posts, impossible, just because we don't agree, doens't make me young. I wish I was 21 instead of 27
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Post by GlennF on Apr 28, 2006 5:49:24 GMT -6
Yes I'm quite young. but that's because I told my age otherwise you would not have guessed my age or probably would have said 45 or so. Err, you mean 4 to 5! Every living creature is created by God, so that should be the end of the Big Mack and the Filet Mignon! Get real man! Do you ever learn? A legal execution is not murder, so it can't be supporting murder. You are more likely supporting murder when you are totally opposed to the only punishment that can prevent residivist murderers, and that just happens to be the death penalty. So if you support an extremely small prison sentence like for instance 2 years for murder then you don't support murder? And if you support the guaranteed prevention of murderers from killing a second or third time then you are for murder? Dennis, you're crazier than I thought!
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Post by D.E.E. on Apr 28, 2006 6:22:55 GMT -6
Wrong this is how it goes. Antis like you (not all mind) support letting murders out after a short time and then if they re-offend then put them back in prison. This enables them to re-offend. Pro's want to see them executed preventing them from re-offending. Therefore Antis like you not only support Murderers, they enable them to re-offend. I knew you were young from the first moment I read your post. There are many indicators of your age and all scream young and dumb. UR wrong again, I dont want murderers to be put in jail a short time or to be released, those for release are exceptions that must complete some severe conditions. And when they've met those severe cojnditions - it's highly unlikely that they re-offend. You can't guess my age through the pc screen of by my posts, impossible, just because we don't agree, doens't make me young. I wish I was 21 instead of 27 Actually I can guess that you are very young by some of the thigs you post and the way you post them an example is "Should dennis leave" and older person would not really care they have been around much too long to worry about someone wanting them to leave a web site. I did not know if you were 21 or 31 either is very young and your post all scream look at me I am grown up now, which is what young people do. You have posted your POV on what to do with murders and you want short sentences with some kind of BS test (a test any good criminal could fake I might add) to determine if they are a danger. Then if they re-offend you want to put them back in prison for another short period of time with the same BS test at the end of the sentence. This goes on until they murder something like 20 people, this is enableing them to murder and face consequences that did nothing to stop them in the first palce. I simply want them executed with in the limits of the law (which is what you miss) and never able to re-offend again.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 28, 2006 8:12:50 GMT -6
DEE,
I was suspended , I was told to be offensive to mvs and as an adult I believe in democracy and wanted to know how others think about me.
If a murderer passes my tests and re-ooffends ( highly unlikely ) he would face LWOP because he ashamed my trust.
You want to avoid re-offending by execution and that's too simplistic - a 5 yo pov
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Post by D.E.E. on Apr 28, 2006 9:00:47 GMT -6
DEE, I was suspended , I was told to be offensive to mvs and as an adult I believe in democracy and wanted to know how others think about me. If a murderer passes my tests and re-ooffends ( highly unlikely ) he would face LWOP because he ashamed my trust. You want to avoid re-offending by execution and that's too simplistic - a 5 yo pov Only a child worries about the views of others of course only a child would post some of the offensive things you did. That is how someone can tell you are very young and immature. Any criminal can pass the test you put forth it is not hard to fool either a lie detector test or a Psychologist it would be slightly more difficult but not much to fool both at the same time since similar skills would be used. If your test was so good it would be used in a court of law but notice it is not and has never been. It may be simplistic to you but then what do you expect out of a person that would places the sentence on the number of innocents that one murders. One person being murdered is one too many and to allow another to die because you are a little squeamish is pathetic at best. You have already admitted to being a Pro the fact is you just want to barter on how many innocent lifes are lost before executing someone. An honest Anti does not think DP is ever acceptable, yours is similar to something a child would come up with when trying to talk their parents out punishing them.
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Post by GlennF on Apr 29, 2006 8:26:32 GMT -6
Only a child worries about the views of others of course only a child would post some of the offensive things you did. That is how someone can tell you are very young and immature. Any criminal can pass the test you put forth it is not hard to fool either a lie detector test or a Psychologist it would be slightly more difficult but not much to fool both at the same time since similar skills would be used. If your test was so good it would be used in a court of law but notice it is not and has never been. It may be simplistic to you but then what do you expect out of a person that would places the sentence on the number of innocents that one murders. One person being murdered is one too many and to allow another to die because you are a little squeamish is pathetic at best. You have already admitted to being a Pro the fact is you just want to barter on how many innocent lifes are lost before executing someone. An honest Anti does not think DP is ever acceptable, yours is similar to something a child would come up with when trying to talk their parents out punishing them. Well D.E.E. I think you just hit the nail on the head, Dennis is most probably a child looking for attention.
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Post by onetwobomb on Apr 29, 2006 21:30:36 GMT -6
It is obvious that you are young. I do not support murder however I do support execution. You one the other hand not only support murder you enable it and have no problem seeing innocents die at the hands of one that has already been convicted of murder. Yes I'm quite young. but that's because I told my age otherwise you would not have guessed my age or probably would have said 45 or so. However, execution is deliberately killing another human being, another creature by God and you can't just take that away. If you support execution, you support murder. That's the way it should be. I don't support murder as I support punishments for murderers and when you are willintg to support murderers to be punished, you don't support murder. To summarize it for you : 1 ) antis that support punishment don't support murder otherwise they wouldn't support punishment. 2 ) pros that support execution, supports murder. so, pros supports murder and antis don't. That's how I see it Dennis That makes no sense at all.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 30, 2006 11:57:44 GMT -6
Yes I'm quite young. but that's because I told my age otherwise you would not have guessed my age or probably would have said 45 or so. However, execution is deliberately killing another human being, another creature by God and you can't just take that away. If you support execution, you support murder. That's the way it should be. I don't support murder as I support punishments for murderers and when you are willintg to support murderers to be punished, you don't support murder. To summarize it for you : 1 ) antis that support punishment don't support murder otherwise they wouldn't support punishment. 2 ) pros that support execution, supports murder. so, pros supports murder and antis don't. That's how I see it Dennis That makes no sense at all. It makes sense to me and that's what it's all about. We're all here to share our pov and I call everything the way I see it.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 30, 2006 12:02:41 GMT -6
DEE,
I care about the views of other because Im here to learn and I'm not selfish that I think I know everything the best, however my DP structure is the best.
My test has never been used because conservative idiots in our government and Congress would never allow such a test, but they stick to their conservative hard line.
Many countries have different penalties based on number so I'm not that bad. Kil 1 person in Germany and yuor sentence will be lower than when you kill 4 persons. 4 persons will give you life and killing 1 person wil give you about 15 years - long enough as people can change in 15 years. When they haven't changed, they can't be released of course
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Post by D.E.E. on May 1, 2006 9:09:00 GMT -6
DEE, I care about the views of other because Im here to learn and I'm not selfish that I think I know everything the best, however my DP structure is the best. My test has never been used because conservative idiots in our government and Congress would never allow such a test, but they stick to their conservative hard line. Many countries have different penalties based on number so I'm not that bad. Kil 1 person in Germany and yuor sentence will be lower than when you kill 4 persons. 4 persons will give you life and killing 1 person wil give you about 15 years - long enough as people can change in 15 years. When they haven't changed, they can't be released of course Young people always think they know what is best, and usually don't and in this case you are no exception. Your test is not used because it would fail and others with more intelligence knows it. If it was any good at all conservative would want to use it to put people away, but since it is *deleted* poor to begin with no one wants to use it, except maybe a few nut doctors that have failing practice's. Europe is no model for the US for too many reasons to list here and thank God for that.
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Post by dennis25 on May 1, 2006 10:37:02 GMT -6
DEE, I care about the views of other because Im here to learn and I'm not selfish that I think I know everything the best, however my DP structure is the best. My test has never been used because conservative idiots in our government and Congress would never allow such a test, but they stick to their conservative hard line. Many countries have different penalties based on number so I'm not that bad. Kil 1 person in Germany and yuor sentence will be lower than when you kill 4 persons. 4 persons will give you life and killing 1 person wil give you about 15 years - long enough as people can change in 15 years. When they haven't changed, they can't be released of course Young people always think they know what is best, and usually don't and in this case you are no exception. Your test is not used because it would fail and others with more intelligence knows it. If it was any good at all conservative would want to use it to put people away, but since it is *deleted* poor to begin with no one wants to use it, except maybe a few nut doctors that have failing practice's. Europe is no model for the US for too many reasons to list here and thank God for that. so you're saying that you're still young. You think to know better than me because you're older, but you seem to be younger, only young people tell young people that they are wrong. If my test has never been used, how can you say that it would fail ?? Ok, let's use Canada is a model for us, their murder rate is also lower than ours.
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Post by D.E.E. on May 1, 2006 11:01:13 GMT -6
Young people always think they know what is best, and usually don't and in this case you are no exception. Your test is not used because it would fail and others with more intelligence knows it. If it was any good at all conservative would want to use it to put people away, but since it is *deleted* poor to begin with no one wants to use it, except maybe a few nut doctors that have failing practice's. Europe is no model for the US for too many reasons to list here and thank God for that. so you're saying that you're still young. You think to know better than me because you're older, but you seem to be younger, only young people tell young people that they are wrong. If my test has never been used, how can you say that it would fail ?? Ok, let's use Canada is a model for us, their murder rate is also lower than ours. No I am not young however I do know better than you and this is based on experience and the use of Professional peoples knowledge. i have discussed you PP plan and psychologist tell me it will not work, of course these are forensic psychologist that work with criminals. Candana is more like Europe than the US and their system will not work for the US either. We have a totally different population, different social problems, different history and different soco-eco problems than they have and thisjust scraches the surface, and works against your plan.
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Post by dennis25 on May 1, 2006 11:10:24 GMT -6
so you're saying that you're still young. You think to know better than me because you're older, but you seem to be younger, only young people tell young people that they are wrong. If my test has never been used, how can you say that it would fail ?? Ok, let's use Canada is a model for us, their murder rate is also lower than ours. No I am not young however I do know better than you and this is based on experience and the use of Professional peoples knowledge. i have discussed you PP plan and psychologist tell me it will not work, of course these are forensic psychologist that work with criminals. Candana is more like Europe than the US and their system will not work for the US either. We have a totally different population, different social problems, different history and different soco-eco problems than they have and thisjust scraches the surface, and works against your plan. I'm not saying that your young in age, but young in the way you think. Those pshychologists don't know if my plan works or not because it's never been tested. You can never know if you don't test it first. We can just give it a try and see if my plans work. I'll get back to the US anyway by October ans stay for couple of years and try to sell my plan to state officials in Ca ( I'm moving to Oakland ) and also in my home state New York too.
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Post by D.E.E. on May 1, 2006 15:18:21 GMT -6
No I am not young however I do know better than you and this is based on experience and the use of Professional peoples knowledge. i have discussed you PP plan and psychologist tell me it will not work, of course these are forensic psychologist that work with criminals. Candana is more like Europe than the US and their system will not work for the US either. We have a totally different population, different social problems, different history and different soco-eco problems than they have and thisjust scraches the surface, and works against your plan. I'm not saying that your young in age, but young in the way you think. Those pshychologists don't know if my plan works or not because it's never been tested. You can never know if you don't test it first. We can just give it a try and see if my plans work. I'll get back to the US anyway by October ans stay for couple of years and try to sell my plan to state officials in Ca ( I'm moving to Oakland ) and also in my home state New York too. Well sorry but if I was young in the way I think I would think I knew better than those trained in the fields that we are discussing, but since I do not and you do that speaks for its self. You go right ahead and try and sell you crap to the 9th they may agree since they are the most over turned court in the land.
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Post by bigmama on May 1, 2006 16:52:26 GMT -6
I'll get back to the US anyway by October ans stay for couple of years and try to sell my plan to state officials in Ca ( I'm moving to Oakland ) and also in my home state New York too. Oh goody, just what we need.
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Post by marc85902 on May 1, 2006 18:17:57 GMT -6
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Post by dennis25 on May 2, 2006 7:48:32 GMT -6
I'm not saying that your young in age, but young in the way you think. Those pshychologists don't know if my plan works or not because it's never been tested. You can never know if you don't test it first. We can just give it a try and see if my plans work. I'll get back to the US anyway by October ans stay for couple of years and try to sell my plan to state officials in Ca ( I'm moving to Oakland ) and also in my home state New York too. Well sorry but if I was young in the way I think I would think I knew better than those trained in the fields that we are discussing, but since I do not and you do that speaks for its self. You go right ahead and try and sell you crap to the 9th they may agree since they are the most over turned court in the land. why ya call my ideas crap ? i made the structure with full honesty.
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Post by D.E.E. on May 2, 2006 8:52:56 GMT -6
Well sorry but if I was young in the way I think I would think I knew better than those trained in the fields that we are discussing, but since I do not and you do that speaks for its self. You go right ahead and try and sell you crap to the 9th they may agree since they are the most over turned court in the land. why ya call my ideas crap ? i made the structure with full honesty. I have no doubt that you made them in full honesty that does not prevent me from thinking they are Crap. Lots of people's ideas are crap, does not stop them from presenting their ideas.
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Post by dennis25 on May 2, 2006 9:20:45 GMT -6
why ya call my ideas crap ? i made the structure with full honesty. I have no doubt that you made them in full honesty that does not prevent me from thinking they are Crap. Lots of people's ideas are crap, does not stop them from presenting their ideas. ok, i like it that you say that i made my structure in full honesty, some here think I made it just to annoy others, which was not my intention. I made the structure based on my life experiences and the research I did by comparing DP states as non dp states.
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