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Post by marc85902 on Mar 15, 2006 14:38:41 GMT -6
Dear People: I have been reading your vehement protests against allowing these convicted murderers be paroled, and quite frankly, I have been wondering why, if someone is so opposed to letting these people live outside prison walls, they don’t just privately execute these creatures? In other words, kill the killers themselves. After all, it's just a post-birth abortion, right?
Why hasn’t this already been done? Of course it won’t be a State-sanctioned killing, but whoever gets killed is just as dead either way—by the electric chair, lethal injection, lethal gas—or a load of buckshot in the guts at pointblank range.
Now, I’m, NOT advocating this; I’m just asking why hasn’t anyone ever done this?
(edited by admin)
Again, I’m NOT advocating actually doing this, but I AM throwing this one out for discussion: Why hasn’t anyone who feels so strongly about this just gone ahead and done something on their own?
sincerely, Marc 85902
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Post by rain on Mar 15, 2006 14:45:28 GMT -6
Dear People: I have been reading your vehement protests against allowing these convicted murderers be paroled, and quite frankly, I have been wondering why, if someone is so opposed to letting these people live outside prison walls, they don’t just privately execute these creatures? In other words, kill the killers themselves. After all, it's just a post-birth abortion, right? Why hasn’t this already been done? Of course it won’t be a State-sanctioned killing, but whoever gets killed is just as dead either way—by the electric chair, lethal injection, lethal gas—or a load of buckshot in the guts at pointblank range. Now, I’m, NOT advocating this; I’m just asking why hasn’t anyone ever done this? (edited by admin) Again, I’m NOT advocating actually doing this, but I AM throwing this one out for discussion: Why hasn’t anyone who feels so strongly about this just gone ahead and done something on their own? sincerely, Marc 85902 Wouldn't that be putting us right up there with the POS that murdered an innocent person to begin with?? They are by no means innocent but taking it into my own hands would make me a murderer also, imo. I am sure the thought has crossed a few minds but I am not a murderer.
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Post by imzadi on Mar 16, 2006 14:12:02 GMT -6
Dear People: I have been reading your vehement protests against allowing these convicted murderers be paroled, and quite frankly, I have been wondering why, if someone is so opposed to letting these people live outside prison walls, they don’t just privately execute these creatures? In other words, kill the killers themselves. After all, it's just a post-birth abortion, right? Why hasn’t this already been done? Of course it won’t be a State-sanctioned killing, but whoever gets killed is just as dead either way—by the electric chair, lethal injection, lethal gas—or a load of buckshot in the guts at pointblank range. Now, I’m, NOT advocating this; I’m just asking why hasn’t anyone ever done this? (edited by admin) Again, I’m NOT advocating actually doing this, but I AM throwing this one out for discussion: Why hasn’t anyone who feels so strongly about this just gone ahead and done something on their own? sincerely, Marc 85902 Because that is murder, the death penilty is murder any how as I know. Any how the person would need to answer for it any way and end up behind bars !
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Post by jennaleigh on Mar 16, 2006 15:23:12 GMT -6
Dear People: I have been reading your vehement protests against allowing these convicted murderers be paroled, and quite frankly, I have been wondering why, if someone is so opposed to letting these people live outside prison walls, they don’t just privately execute these creatures? In other words, kill the killers themselves. After all, it's just a post-birth abortion, right? Why hasn’t this already been done? Of course it won’t be a State-sanctioned killing, but whoever gets killed is just as dead either way—by the electric chair, lethal injection, lethal gas—or a load of buckshot in the guts at pointblank range. Now, I’m, NOT advocating this; I’m just asking why hasn’t anyone ever done this? (edited by admin) Again, I’m NOT advocating actually doing this, but I AM throwing this one out for discussion: Why hasn’t anyone who feels so strongly about this just gone ahead and done something on their own? sincerely, Marc 85902 Because that is murder, the death penilty is murder any how as I know. Any how the person would need to answer for it any way and end up behind bars ! Please explain how the DP is murder.
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Post by californian on Mar 18, 2006 10:47:16 GMT -6
Rather than that, let me explain why it's not.
Murder is defined as "the unlawful killing of a human being."
A human who receives the DP for a crime is quite different. The killing is not "unlawful." Society has tried and convicted him or her, and after numerous state and federal appeals with which we're all familiar, takes the murderer's life.
Antis attempt to cloud the issue by conflating the results-a dead human. But one human (at least) was judged unworthy of life by one individual, contrary to our laws, and the other has, in accordance with our laws, had his or her own life taken.
So, essentially, the difference is that the murderer has been judged. His victim was not.
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Post by Wickedlyamoral on Mar 26, 2006 13:50:21 GMT -6
Dear People: I have been reading your vehement protests against allowing these convicted murderers be paroled, and quite frankly, I have been wondering why, if someone is so opposed to letting these people live outside prison walls, they don’t just privately execute these creatures? In other words, kill the killers themselves. After all, it's just a post-birth abortion, right? Why hasn’t this already been done? Of course it won’t be a State-sanctioned killing, but whoever gets killed is just as dead either way—by the electric chair, lethal injection, lethal gas—or a load of buckshot in the guts at pointblank range. Now, I’m, NOT advocating this; I’m just asking why hasn’t anyone ever done this? (edited by admin) Again, I’m NOT advocating actually doing this, but I AM throwing this one out for discussion: Why hasn’t anyone who feels so strongly about this just gone ahead and done something on their own? sincerely, Marc 85902 There are people who would gladly do something like this. I prefer to see it done legitimately within the law.
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Post by onetwobomb on Mar 31, 2006 19:48:39 GMT -6
Because that is murder, the death penilty is murder any how as I know. Any how the person would need to answer for it any way and end up behind bars ! Please explain how the DP is murder. jennaleigh you are a smart anti.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 18, 2006 10:44:06 GMT -6
jennaleigh
Simple, it's the deliberately killing of another human being
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Post by onetwobomb on Apr 18, 2006 11:05:31 GMT -6
jennaleigh Simple, it's the deliberately killing of another human being That's not what murder is, Dennis. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 18, 2006 11:13:35 GMT -6
jennaleigh Simple, it's the deliberately killing of another human being That's not what murder is, Dennis. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being. I don't care about lawful or unlawful, what I care about is accidently or deliberately. In my dictionary, murder is :The deliberately killing of another human being, unless it's when killing a person is in self defense or in the defense of a another. Killing a person who's already behind bars, is first degree murder, because they inmate is killed DELIBERATELY
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Post by jennaleigh on Apr 18, 2006 11:20:47 GMT -6
That's not what murder is, Dennis. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being. I don't care about lawful or unlawful, what I care about is accidently or deliberately. In my dictionary, murder is :The deliberately killing of another human being, unless it's when killing a person is in self defense or in the defense of a another. Killing a person who's already behind bars, is first degree murder, because they inmate is killed DELIBERATELY Your definition matters not. The legal definition, however, does.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 18, 2006 11:22:28 GMT -6
I don't care about lawful or unlawful, what I care about is accidently or deliberately. In my dictionary, murder is :The deliberately killing of another human being, unless it's when killing a person is in self defense or in the defense of a another. Killing a person who's already behind bars, is first degree murder, because they inmate is killed DELIBERATELY Your definition matters not. The legal definition, however, does. but legal definitions can change as dictionary word changes through the years just as laws change through the years.
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Post by jennaleigh on Apr 18, 2006 11:28:45 GMT -6
Your definition matters not. The legal definition, however, does. but legal definitions can change as dictionary word changes through the years just as laws change through the years. When/if that happens I'll honor it. In the mean time your definition is null and void.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 19, 2006 4:44:38 GMT -6
but legal definitions can change as dictionary word changes through the years just as laws change through the years. When/if that happens I'll honor it. In the mean time your definition is null and void. my definition is logical and understandable. the laws are way to complicated for a notmal person to understand. I'm not talking about traffic law, but about crime laws etc.
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Post by Anony+ on Apr 19, 2006 6:52:28 GMT -6
When/if that happens I'll honor it. In the mean time your definition is null and void. my definition is logical and understandable. the laws are way to complicated for a notmal person to understand. I'm not talking about traffic law, but about crime laws etc. Your definition is wrong. Here's an example from the State of Georgia code (obviously, not too complicated for a normal person to understand -- it's pretty simple, actually): O.C.G.A. § 16-5-1 OFFICIAL CODE OF GEORGIA ANNOTATED Copyright 2005 by The State of Georgia All rights reserved. *** Current Through the 2005 Special Session *** *** Annotations Current Through January 23, 2006 *** TITLE 16. CRIMES AND OFFENSES CHAPTER 5. CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON ARTICLE 1. HOMICIDE GO TO CODE ARCHIVE DIRECTORY FOR THIS JURISDICTION O.C.G.A. § 16-5-1 (2006) § 16-5-1. Murder; felony murder (a) A person commits the offense of murder when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being.
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Post by Anony+ on Apr 19, 2006 7:01:26 GMT -6
In my dictionary, murder is :The deliberately killing of another human being, unless it's when killing a person is in self defense or in the defense of a another. Killing a person who's already behind bars, is first degree murder, because they inmate is killed DELIBERATELY Don't know what dictionary you're using, but Merriam-Webster on line has this: Main Entry: 1mur·der Pronunciation: 'm&r-d&r Function: noun Etymology: partly from Middle English murther, from Old English morthor; partly from Middle English murdre, from Old French, of Germanic origin; akin to Old English morthor; akin to Old High German mord murder, Latin mort-, mors death, mori to die, mortuus dead, Greek brotos mortal 1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 19, 2006 7:13:51 GMT -6
Allison, I'm not using a dictionary but I said what murder is to me and what I like to see in the dictionary
I want to see the word unlawfully be replaced by the word deliberately As that makes execution murder too and that's what it's to me.
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Post by Anony+ on Apr 19, 2006 7:24:25 GMT -6
Allison, I'm not using a dictionary but I said what murder is to me and what I like to see in the dictionary I want to see the word unlawfully be replaced by the word deliberatelyAs that makes execution murder too and that's what it's to me. Oh, so when you said "In your dictionary" you really meant "in your mind" ? The thing is, your definition is wrong, and that's exactly why execution is not murder.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 19, 2006 7:29:10 GMT -6
Yes Allison, when I said in my dictionary, it means in my mind, the way I think, the way I think that murder should be defined. My definition is wrong ?? Who makes the standard for wat murder is ?? We, as people do. So, we as people, can also change the definition. And it's not impossible that definitions change through the years. That's what I'm trying to say that people can change, laws can change. Because I strongly believe that execution is murder. I don't care if a murderer kills a human being or the state kills a human being, the end result is the same - > deliberately taking the life of another human being. No human is allowed to do that, only nature ( Katrina ) can do that.
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Post by Anony+ on Apr 19, 2006 7:47:33 GMT -6
Yes Allison, when I said in my dictionary, it means in my mind, the way I think, the way I think that murder should be defined. My definition is wrong ?? Who makes the standard for wat murder is ?? We, as people do. So, we as people, can also change the definition. And it's not impossible that definitions change through the years. That's what I'm trying to say that people can change, laws can change. Because I strongly believe that execution is murder. I don't care if a murderer kills a human being or the state kills a human being, the end result is the same - > deliberately taking the life of another human being. No human is allowed to do that, only nature ( Katrina ) can do that. The thing is, it's not like anyone is going to change the definition of a word. A chair will always be something you sit in. A shirt will always be something you wear on your torso. Soccer will always be a game you play with a ball. Just like murder will always be the unlawful taking of a life. Now, if you want to say that execution is wrong and SHOULD be unlawful, then that's fine. If THAT'S what society wants to change, then yes, execution will be murder. But society can't change the definition of murder itself. KWIM?
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 19, 2006 8:12:15 GMT -6
No, I don't know what ya mean. Soccer will always be a game with a ball, that's a good example. In Europe people call it Football, but when you say Football in the US, it's a totally different game. So they definition changed as some Europeans call it soccer now too, instead of Football.
Screw also has different menaing among the youth. the meaning of words change. Just like the word screw, the dictionary says it means " to mistreat or exploit through extortion, trickery, or unfair actions " , but it has another meaning too, especially among the youth, LOL.
so, i don't see why society can change the definition of murder. Definitions were made by humans and everything that has been made or created by humans can also be changed by humans.
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Post by Anony+ on Apr 19, 2006 8:24:20 GMT -6
No, I don't know what ya mean. Soccer will always be a game with a ball, that's a good example. In Europe people call it Football, but when you say Football in the US, it's a totally different game. So they definition changed as some Europeans call it soccer now too, instead of Football. Screw also has different menaing among the youth. the meaning of words change. Just like the word screw, the dictionary says it means " to mistreat or exploit through extortion, trickery, or unfair actions " , but it has another meaning too, especially among the youth, LOL. so, i don't see why society can change the definition of murder. Definitions were made by humans and everything that has been made or created by humans can also be changed by humans. Let me try again. It's not the definition of murder that you want to change. That's nearly impossible. What you want to change is what qualifies as murder. That's not changing the definition. You can achieve your goal (i.e. getting execution declared to be murder) by making execution fit the definition of murder (i.e. making execution unlawful). You don't need to, nor should you, change the definition of murder. Let's see if I can make this into a soccer example. Soccer is, and will always be, the game played with the black and white ball, running around the field, trying to kick the ball into the opponent's net, etc etc. Now, if you wanted to take some other game, let's say hockey, and turn it into soccer, what do you need to do? You need to take away the sticks, change the puck to a ball, and play it on a field. (I'm oversimplifying, obviously). There, you haven't changed the definition of soccer. You've changed what you want to qualify as soccer (hockey) to become soccer. Would you rather take the word soccer and re-define it to mean a game played with sticks and a puck on ice? No, you wouldn't. That's not what your goal was. Your goal was to take the game of hockey and make it qualify as the game of soccer. To apply that example, murder is, and will always be, the unlawful taking of a life. If you wanted to take executions and turn them into murder, you need to make executions no longer lawful. Then, you haven't changed the definition of murder, but you have changed the thing you want to qualify as murder (executions) to become murder. You're not trying to take the word murder and re-define it to mean executions. That's not the goal. The goal is to make executions fall within the category of, and qualify as, murders. In your examples (screw and soccer/football), the words still have their original meanings. They've just taken on additional meanings -- the original/primary meanings of the words haven't changed. A screw is, and will always be, a little metal thing to fasten wood/metal/whatever together. Football will always be, in Europe, what we know as soccer here in the US. The definitions of those words haven't changed.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 19, 2006 8:39:46 GMT -6
Ahhh, I now know what you mean. You separate a word into a definition and into a qualification. And that some definitions like "screw "still remain the same but something has been added to it. You're right, I mixed those too up with each other. Ok, i want to change the qualification of some definitions. I want to change the qualification of the definition of murder. thanx Dennis. PS: Soccer/Football is not always the game played with a black/white ball. just watch the world Cup soccer Final on July the 9th
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Post by GlennF on Apr 19, 2006 14:49:01 GMT -6
Allison, I'm not using a dictionary but I said what murder is to me and what I like to see in the dictionary I want to see the word unlawfully be replaced by the word deliberatelyAs that makes execution murder too and that's what it's to me. In times of war a soldier must deliberately kill the enemy, so using your definition that would be murder too!?
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Post by onetwobomb on Apr 19, 2006 21:54:51 GMT -6
That's not what murder is, Dennis. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being. I don't care about lawful or unlawful, what I care about is accidently or deliberately. In my dictionary, murder is :The deliberately killing of another human being, unless it's when killing a person is in self defense or in the defense of a another. Killing a person who's already behind bars, is first degree murder, because they inmate is killed DELIBERATELY I think you're making that up. And even if your dictionary does say that, it is false, because the legal version is what matters.
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Post by onetwobomb on Apr 19, 2006 21:55:59 GMT -6
Ahhh, I now know what you mean. You separate a word into a definition and into a qualification. And that some definitions like "screw "still remain the same but something has been added to it. You're right, I mixed those too up with each other. Ok, i want to change the qualification of some definitions. I want to change the qualification of the definition of murder. thanx Dennis. PS: Soccer/Football is not always the game played with a black/white ball. just watch the world Cup soccer Final on July the 9th I also see Felix is using his sock puppet accounts to raise your score.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 20, 2006 3:41:44 GMT -6
Allison, I'm not using a dictionary but I said what murder is to me and what I like to see in the dictionary I want to see the word unlawfully be replaced by the word deliberatelyAs that makes execution murder too and that's what it's to me. In times of war a soldier must deliberately kill the enemy, so using your definition that would be murder too!? yes, unless it's to protect your country. But what we are doing in Iraq is killing cuz we fight an offensive war and not a defense one as Bush likes us to believe. I can't wait till we have a Democratic Congress ( 2006 ) and a Democratic president , 2008
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 20, 2006 3:42:36 GMT -6
Ahhh, I now know what you mean. You separate a word into a definition and into a qualification. And that some definitions like "screw "still remain the same but something has been added to it. You're right, I mixed those too up with each other. Ok, i want to change the qualification of some definitions. I want to change the qualification of the definition of murder. thanx Dennis. PS: Soccer/Football is not always the game played with a black/white ball. just watch the world Cup soccer Final on July the 9th I also see Felix is using his sock puppet accounts to raise your score. Not only Felix is raising my score. An mvs here too, but I won't say who.
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Post by dennis25 on Apr 20, 2006 3:43:34 GMT -6
I don't care about lawful or unlawful, what I care about is accidently or deliberately. In my dictionary, murder is :The deliberately killing of another human being, unless it's when killing a person is in self defense or in the defense of a another. Killing a person who's already behind bars, is first degree murder, because they inmate is killed DELIBERATELY I think you're making that up. And even if your dictionary does say that, it is false, because the legal version is what matters. Yes, I'm making that up ? Did I say otherwise ?? No, I didn't, I just said what I want murder to mean.
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Post by onetwobomb on Apr 20, 2006 12:57:47 GMT -6
I think you're making that up. And even if your dictionary does say that, it is false, because the legal version is what matters. Yes, I'm making that up ? Did I say otherwise ?? No, I didn't, I just said what I want murder to mean. LOL! What you want it to mean?
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