Allen Lee 'Tiny' Davis

[Charlene]

I am sorry Zambo, I misread your post.

I did not say you spent hours and hours here; but there are certainly those who do, then complain about the participants.

zambo said:

admin said:

Why on earth have you hung around almost a year?

I get really sick of people who spend hours here, day after day, month after month, but then make statements like this condemning the board and its participants. No one is forcing your participation....head on out.

Firstly --- I would like you to revisit my statement and explain to me how .. as you put it

"but then make statements like this condemning the board and its participants.

you arrived at the conclusion that I was condemning the board and it's participants? If I am to stand accused of this then I would like some clarification.

Secondly --- I do not spend hour after hour --- day after day--- month after month here . you see the reason this statement is inaccurate is because
1/ I do not always have access to my pc and I work long hours so it is not possible for me to spend hour after hour or for that matter day after day.
2/ Month after month --- there was a period of approximately 3 months that I did not even visit the forum.

Please if you are going to publicly attack me I would appreciate it being a bit more factual.

I have always respected you as both a person and Administrater of this forum and alway concidered you to be fair in your appraoch. In view of that I would have expected an a private message from you if you understood the statement to mean something other than it did and would have glady clarfied it to you.

[Stormyweather]

andy28 said:

lemondrop said:

I never read DR inmate's "blogs" and "letters" where all they focus on all day is their emminent demise. Honestly, these days, there are too many penpals out there desirign to make killers smile and laugh, so it's hardly as it used to be in prison. Now it's close to a hotel, except with bad food.

A hotel? OMG have you ever been in prison? I have and i bet death row is far worse than my experiences.

And it should be. They're not there on vacation!

[andy28]

greggsmom said:

Why should it be unbiased? Everything in our life is based on emotion, that is what makes us human after all. Btw, suppose you were in a car accident and you need your car fixed and medical bills paid for. How about I come and tell you the driver of the other car is sorry and that he deserves a second chance besides you're biased? Of course you are!! It is your life that is affected and not mine and you would tell me to mind my own dam business. You would be right about the car accident but when it comes to murder our being biased is against us. Something that is more valuable than any piece of metal or any material anything and everyone thinks that we shouldn't have any say because we are too emotionally involved. Then the same should be true with anything that happens. Even if the accident wasn't your fault, you get no say in anything. Others like can judge what happens to you and to anyone because they are unbiased.

You treat victims worse than property. You would have compassion and understanding for the person without a car because of an accident but have none for victims of murder. Victims are nothing to many(other than for your entertainment purposes such as coming to this board). Victims were everything to many of us and we are not going to let the world forget.

We don't pay medical bills here.



Like your emotions have nothing to do with this debate. Who do you think you're kidding? Not a single person here. Murder is very emotional and if you can't see that than what to he11 are you doing here? You want to exclude the very people that murder has entered their lives?



Btw, as far as emotions. Yours are showing all over the place by your posts. Better check it out. I have seen anger, some very dry humor, and above all else the signs of forgiveness for murderers. I'd say that is emotional.

[meme]

I wouldn't be selling hotdogs at an execution because I'd be too busy dancing a jig! __________ Too bad the MVS aren't unbiased. Remember the victim? They have no voice. It is up to the victim's loved ones and the law to seek justice. An execution of a despicable murderer is no comparison to the MVS trama and lifelong pain. Both families suffer, but not on the same level. _________ The victim's family never got the opportunity to say good-bye. The murderer stole the victim's "death by dignity". Bodies are discarded, found in dumpsters, graves, mutilated and tortured. ________ By contrast, the murderers family gets another 20 years to visit the murderer, write letters, share photos. ______ The victim's last experience is of looking into the face of a heidous murderer. Yet, the murderer gets their good-byes and to look into the face of their loving family as (s)he so soothingly passes away, body intact, no bullet holes, no bloody stabs, no trama. Any suffering of the famiy of the murderer is totally the murderers fault, certainly not the fault of lawful executions.

[andy28]

Look, if you want them dead so bad then do what Britain did. Hold them in a cell for a month then kill them. Your countries method is stupid. Whats the point of feeding and looking after a man for years in a cell when you are gonna kill him?

[Elric of Melnibone]

Andy, that sounds like a great idea...

I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stormyweather]

andy28 said:

Look, if you want them dead so bad then do what Britain did. Hold them in a cell for a month then kill them. Your countries method is stupid. Whats the point of feeding and looking after a man for years in a cell when you are gonna kill him?

Sounds good to me.

[Deleted]

Now we are getting somewhere.

[Deleted]

andy28 said:

Look, if you want them dead so bad then do what Britain did. Hold them in a cell for a month then kill them. Your countries method is stupid. Whats the point of feeding and looking after a man for years in a cell when you are gonna kill him?

Andy , as I see it it is not a matter of the American system being stupid because the penalty is not common throughout all states. there are states that use it, states that have abolished it . states that have it but never use it , states that have it but rarely use it and states that have it and question their own judgments so have put it on hold. The system in those states that have it tend to lack some confidence in it's own convictions and there for murderers have the opportunity to utilise an ongoing appeals process which ultimately prolongs the duration .

I truely feel that those who drive the system need to be revisited and evaluated as I dont believe the system is working the way it was originally set up to do.

I am a firm believer that if you have the penalty then use it and be consistant in it's enforcemant otherwise scrap it as it can nolonger be said that it serves as some form of a deterent. In those states that actively pursue it , if you get caught for murder then be prepared to swallow the punishment.

The problem does not seem to be the basic system but those who enforce it.

[Lotus Flower]

zambo said:

andy28 said:

Look, if you want them dead so bad then do what Britain did. Hold them in a cell for a month then kill them. Your countries method is stupid. Whats the point of feeding and looking after a man for years in a cell when you are gonna kill him?

Andy , as I see it it is not a matter of the American system being stupid because the penalty is not common throughout all states. there are states that use it, states that have abolished it . states that have it but never use it , states that have it but rarely use it and states that have it and question their own judgments so have put it on hold. The system in those states that have it tend to lack some confidence in it's own convictions and there for murderers have the opportunity to utilise an ongoing appeals process which ultimately prolongs the duration .

I truely feel that those who drive the system need to be revisited and evaluated as I dont believe the system is working the way it was originally set up to do.

I am a firm believer that if you have the penalty then use it and be consistant in it's enforcemant otherwise scrap it as it can nolonger be said that it serves as some form of a deterent. In those states that actively pursue it , if you get caught for murder then be prepared to swallow the punishment.

The problem does not seem to be the basic system but those who enforce it.

Excellent observations, zambo. I am glad Texas does enforce it the most; however, even we have too many who've been on DR for 14 years +.... it's insane. We must streamline appeals and set the maximum time at 3 or 5 years period. In addition, it needs to applied for all murders and not just pick and choose. Why does one victim's murder deserve the DP just because the guy decided to be a little more cruel, than another? It's nonsense.

[andy28]

I agree. For certain cases where guilt is 100% i'm in favour of an electric dock or sommat likt that in court.

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lemondrop said:

zambo said:

Andy , as I see it it is not a matter of the American system being stupid because the penalty is not common throughout all states. there are states that use it, states that have abolished it . states that have it but never use it , states that have it but rarely use it and states that have it and question their own judgments so have put it on hold. The system in those states that have it tend to lack some confidence in it's own convictions and there for murderers have the opportunity to utilise an ongoing appeals process which ultimately prolongs the duration .

I truely feel that those who drive the system need to be revisited and evaluated as I dont believe the system is working the way it was originally set up to do.

I am a firm believer that if you have the penalty then use it and be consistant in it's enforcemant otherwise scrap it as it can nolonger be said that it serves as some form of a deterent. In those states that actively pursue it , if you get caught for murder then be prepared to swallow the punishment.

The problem does not seem to be the basic system but those who enforce it.

Excellent observations, zambo. I am glad Texas does enforce it the most; however, even we have too many who've been on DR for 14 years +.... it's insane. We must streamline appeals and set the maximum time at 3 or 5 years period. In addition, it needs to applied for all murders and not just pick and choose. Why does one victim's murder deserve the DP just because the guy decided to be a little more cruel, than another? It's nonsense.

i do agree miss lotus .. but from what i have read and noted that there seems to be no consistency in the penalty application. the are those on death row whos methods and situtations seem to be far less gruesome than others who have not recieved the death penalty.. very confusing..

I also believe that if the system was serious about true justice being served and have a confidence in there convictions then , as you say, the appeals process should be reduced to 3-5 years, this can only be done if the systems alows an apeal to go ahead if based on new evidence , dna, information etc and not be so quick to reject. Rejecting only prolongs the process .... at times one gets the impression that retrials are blocked for fear establishing the orginal verdict was wrong. But lets get a verdict one way or thr other and move on.

[Lotus Flower]

zambo said:

lemondrop said:

Excellent observations, zambo. I am glad Texas does enforce it the most; however, even we have too many who've been on DR for 14 years +.... it's insane. We must streamline appeals and set the maximum time at 3 or 5 years period. In addition, it needs to applied for all murders and not just pick and choose. Why does one victim's murder deserve the DP just because the guy decided to be a little more cruel, than another? It's nonsense.

i do agree miss lotus .. but from what i have read and noted that there seems to be no consistency in the penalty application. the are those on death row whos methods and situtations seem to be far less gruesome than others who have not recieved the death penalty.. very confusing..

I also believe that if the system was serious about true justice being served and have a confidence in there convictions then , as you say, the appeals process should be reduced to 3-5 years, this can only be done if the systems alows an apeal to go ahead if based on new evidence , dna, information etc and not be so quick to reject. Rejecting only prolongs the process .... at times one gets the impression that retrials are blocked for fear establishing the orginal verdict was wrong. But lets get a verdict one way or thr other and move on.

If the majority of appeals were based on proving innocence I would absolutely agree; however, they ask the courts to take a circuitous route to a new trial where all factors get called into question and the same old complaints are given as grounds, ie ineffective counsel for example or the constitutionality of the DP. These are tired arguments that have zero to go with guilt and more to do with stonewalling. If someone has a new and credible witness, they should be granted a new trial to hear the evidence. I am very much for making sure all avenues are considered before execution, I just have a bad taste for the abuse of the legal system which has now caused decades of appeals.

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good job florida !! this pig got fried well

[andy28]

But he did'nt did he. He got suffocated well. Who cares anyway, he was a bacon.