Allen Lee 'Tiny' Davis

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andy28 said:

Zambo one thing i have noticed is all these pro characters seem to resort to all sorts of abuse in their posts to get their point across. Maybe they are of the same temperament as these so called 'scumbags' on DR.

andy I have come to n otice that once they have little to no defence they attack then comes the abuse and name calling. There are many here with whom you can have a meaningful discussion but sadly there are a few here who lack that ability.

[andy28]

I'm used to forums Zambo. I like to see both sides of the argument, i can't stand a forum where all the members agree its boring. Like i said, i'm now neutral ( used to be pro ).

[Lotus Flower]

zambo said:

I really dont need you to point out to me what he did . I am fully aware of what happened.

Sucks to bring up those victims doesn't it? That's a really must stick in a killer-lovers craw, huh?

Ok you said he deserved far worse apart from death what are you actually refferring to? you make these statements now tell me what else could be done to make him suffer more?

How about being executed the way he murdered those children and pregnant mom? But we do not do that, doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve it. But a freaking nosebleed hardly counts as the equivalent to torture or to what he subjected the victims to.

Oh by the way I was not talking about victims.

You never do, that's why I refreshed your memory, whether you want to hear it or not.

[Lotus Flower]

zambo said:

andy28 said:

But why? And why are Davis' photos the only ones that exsist of a fry up? They built a new chair and Davis was it's first customer. Seems funny to spend all that money on just him. In 1999 4 or 5 states still had the chair as a sole means i'm fairly certain. After all the uproar about the execution it dissapeared completely ( apart from a few more in the new millenium elsewhere ).

I guess andy28 the reason why the photos are there is because the true antis have made sure they were there to spark up emotion , disgust, debate and provoke a reaction. Based on this thread they acieved all of that and more. I dont understand how a pro forum could let this become such an issue . guess the anti's are one up.

It was brought up and we discuss it. Unlike other rabid anti sites that only allow one POV, we allow all sides to have a voice.

[Lotus Flower]

andy28 said:

lemondrop said:

You're actually making the case that Zambo was wrong and it is not torture. So why did you agree with him? Here:



Also, you're correct, the amount of voltage in the initial jolt does render one unconscious almost instantly. However, so does LI with the first dose of anethestia (delivered in a lethal amount in and of itself).

I meant the mental torture. It must be horrible sitting there all that time wondering what it is going to feel like.

I never read DR inmate's "blogs" and "letters" where all they focus on all day is their emminent demise. Honestly, these days, there are too many penpals out there desirign to make killers smile and laugh, so it's hardly as it used to be in prison. Now it's close to a hotel, except with bad food.

[Felix2]

lemondrop said:

andy28 said:

I meant the mental torture. It must be horrible sitting there all that time wondering what it is going to feel like.

I never read DR inmate's "blogs" and "letters" where all they focus on all day is their emminent demise. Honestly, these days, there are too many penpals out there desirign to make killers smile and laugh, so it's hardly as it used to be in prison. Now it's close to a hotel, except with bad food.

yea, and one *deleted* poor disagreeable check out procedure!

[Lotus Flower]

felix2 said:

lemondrop said:

I never read DR inmate's "blogs" and "letters" where all they focus on all day is their emminent demise. Honestly, these days, there are too many penpals out there desirign to make killers smile and laugh, so it's hardly as it used to be in prison. Now it's close to a hotel, except with bad food.

yea, and one *deleted* poor disagreeable check out procedure!

Would they be there if they had not murdered? It's the only reason in the US, currently, to receive the DP.

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lemondrop said:

zambo said:

I really dont need you to point out to me what he did . I am fully aware of what happened.

Sucks to bring up those victims doesn't it? That's a really must stick in a killer-lovers craw, huh?

How about being executed the way he murdered those children and pregnant mom? But we do not do that, doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve it. But a freaking nosebleed hardly counts as the equivalent to torture or to what he subjected the victims to.

Oh by the way I was not talking about victims.

You never do, that's why I refreshed your memory, whether you want to hear it or not.

Oh lotus my dear lady the sherry bottle must be empty..... you are getting all excited and confused..

When did I even mention anything about a nose bleed? and as for a murder lover ... well it seems to me that you are more intent on bring up the grusome events than anyone else, certainlly the punishment does not fit the crime, but you did not answer my question what else could be done other than death to make him pay for the crime , and as I can only assume you are of an intelligent nature, i would think that you would know I mean leagally other wise you would have the same criminal intent as the one you are trying to put to death.

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lemondrop said:

zambo said:

I guess andy28 the reason why the photos are there is because the true antis have made sure they were there to spark up emotion , disgust, debate and provoke a reaction. Based on this thread they acieved all of that and more. I dont understand how a pro forum could let this become such an issue . guess the anti's are one up.

It was brought up and we discuss it. Unlike other rabid anti sites that only allow one POV, we allow all sides to have a voice.

correction ... you attack any side that does not share your views.

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andy28 said:

I'm used to forums Zambo. I like to see both sides of the argument, i can't stand a forum where all the members agree its boring. Like i said, i'm now neutral ( used to be pro ).

I agree with you. I too am nutural . I can see the fors and the againsts. but there are time when those representing the fors seem to be pro for all the wrong reasons and there for make me hesitant to even consider it. The Antis have good reasons too however they too quite often seem to be disjointed in their motives some at times are ridiculous.

[andy28]

lemondrop said:

andy28 said:

I meant the mental torture. It must be horrible sitting there all that time wondering what it is going to feel like.

I never read DR inmate's "blogs" and "letters" where all they focus on all day is their emminent demise. Honestly, these days, there are too many penpals out there desirign to make killers smile and laugh, so it's hardly as it used to be in prison. Now it's close to a hotel, except with bad food.

A hotel? OMG have you ever been in prison? I have and i bet death row is far worse than my experiences.

[Charlene]

Okay, I can understand that because people who have a good head on their shoulders can see both sides of an argument.

However, your posts have a familiar scent.

If you are yet again another card-carrying anti who wants to pretend to be a pro or on the fence, we have seen you before and it's boring and soon becomes obvious.

andy28 said:

I can see arguments for both sides so i'm a bit confused at the mo. Maybe i am a schizo i dunno!

[Charlene]

Why on earth have you hung around almost a year?

I get really sick of people who spend hours here, day after day, month after month, but then make statements like this condemning the board and its participants. No one is forcing your participation....head on out.

zambo said:

andy28 said:

Zambo one thing i have noticed is all these pro characters seem to resort to all sorts of abuse in their posts to get their point across. Maybe they are of the same temperament as these so called 'scumbags' on DR.

andy I have come to n otice that once they have little to no defence they attack then comes the abuse and name calling. There are many here with whom you can have a meaningful discussion but sadly there are a few here who lack that ability.

[hoyadestroya85]

admin said:

Why on earth have you hung around almost a year?

I get really sick of people who spend hours here, day after day, month after month, but then make statements like this condemning the board and its participants. No one is forcing your participation....head on out.

zambo said:

I totally agree with you charlene
andy I have come to n otice that once they have little to no defence they attack then comes the abuse and name calling. There are many here with whom you can have a meaningful discussion but sadly there are a few here who lack that ability.

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admin said:

Why on earth have you hung around almost a year?

I get really sick of people who spend hours here, day after day, month after month, but then make statements like this condemning the board and its participants. No one is forcing your participation....head on out.

zambo said:

andy I have come to n otice that once they have little to no defence they attack then comes the abuse and name calling. There are many here with whom you can have a meaningful discussion but sadly there are a few here who lack that ability.

Firstly --- I would like you to revisit my statement and explain to me how .. as you put it

"but then make statements like this condemning the board and its participants.

you arrived at the conclusion that I was condemning the board and it's participants? If I am to stand accused of this then I would like some clarification.

Secondly --- I do not spend hour after hour --- day after day--- month after month here . you see the reason this statement is inaccurate is because
1/ I do not always have access to my pc and I work long hours so it is not possible for me to spend hour after hour or for that matter day after day.
2/ Month after month --- there was a period of approximately 3 months that I did not even visit the forum.

Please if you are going to publicly attack me I would appreciate it being a bit more factual.

I have always respected you as both a person and Administrater of this forum and alway concidered you to be fair in your appraoch. In view of that I would have expected an a private message from you if you understood the statement to mean something other than it did and would have glady clarfied it to you.

[andy28]

And i've only been here a month! I fail to see why people get so agitated about posts on a forum. It's not as if it's really going to change anything in the real world is it?

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andy28 said:

And i've only been here a month! I fail to see why people get so agitated about posts on a forum. It's not as if it's really going to change anything in the real world is it?

andy28 you can't see why people get so agitated? You don't realize that many that post here have been affected deeply by murder? You have been here a month and haven't noticed that?

LF, I'm going to steal your Officer Barbrady saying for this. Move along, move along, nothing to see here.

Start scrolling when I see andy28.

[andy28]

Well i did'nt realise you had to be affected by murder to join. That should be in the disclaimer if so.

[Kay]

andy28 said:

Well i did'nt realise you had to be affected by murder to join. That should be in the disclaimer if so.

Hi Andy,

Aren't we all effected, however, indirectly by the murder of another human being? Even if I had not become friends with others here who have lost loved ones to murder, I was still impacted by their stories of loss and heartbreak.

I have learned many things about the death penalty debate, and am better able to understand the pro position, although I remain an anti. But most of all, I think what the MVS here have taught me, is to never take the ones I love for granted, to always tell those I care for, that I love them, and to really appreciate, just how very fortunate I am to have everyone I love still here with me.

[Deleted]

You wanted to know why people got so agitated. I didn't say that you couldn't post here. I answered your question. It appears you don't like the thought that MVSs are allowed to post here and therefore you are offended by our presence. TOUGH!!!

I am sure that you are one of the many that think MVSs should be seen occassionally but not heard. We are to disappear and let what happens happen. Sorry to upset your little parade for the murderer but many of us know that in order to receive any real justice that we have to speak out loud and clear.

Btw, why shouldn't we have an opinion after all it was our lives and families that this has destroyed and not yours. Of course I am sure you think that because of our emotional involvement that we should not have any opinion.

It was only our loved ones that were murdered by these evil vile things many think deserve a second chance and everyone forgets that the victim will never have a second chance at anything ever again. Let alone the many people who are denied many many chances for the happiness that should have been. You upset that you might have to come face to face with reality here??

[andy28]

I'm very sorry for your loss but how can you have an unbiased view if you have been directly affected? When it comes to serious debate emotions need to be put aside surely?

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andy28 said:

I'm very sorry for your loss but how can you have an unbiased view if you have been directly affected? When it comes to serious debate emotions need to be put aside surely?

Andy you see thats why this forum is different. To have a serious debate about the pro stance regarding the penalty you must first understand the emotions these msv's experiance and the effect on their lives. With out this understanding and consideration there can not be a truely fruitfull discussion. It is also difficult to expect these people to put their emotions aside and have an unbiased approach to the topic as this is the very reason many are here. I take my hat off to a number of them as they approach such discussions in a dignified manner given their loss.

[Californian]

kay said:

andy28 said:

Well i did'nt realise you had to be affected by murder to join. That should be in the disclaimer if so.

Hi Andy,

Aren't we all effected, however, indirectly by the murder of another human being? Even if I had not become friends with others here who have lost loved ones to murder, I was still impacted by their stories of loss and heartbreak.

I have learned many things about the death penalty debate, and am better able to understand the pro position, although I remain an anti. But most of all, I think what the MVS here have taught me, is to never take the ones I love for granted, to always tell those I care for, that I love them, and to really appreciate, just how very fortunate I am to have everyone I love still here with me.

Well said, Kay.

[Lotus Flower]

zambo said:

andy28 said:

I'm very sorry for your loss but how can you have an unbiased view if you have been directly affected? When it comes to serious debate emotions need to be put aside surely?

Andy you see thats why this forum is different. To have a serious debate about the pro stance regarding the penalty you must first understand the emotions these msv's experiance and the effect on their lives. With out this understanding and consideration there can not be a truely fruitfull discussion. It is also difficult to expect these people to put their emotions aside and have an unbiased approach to the topic as this is the very reason many are here. I take my hat off to a number of them as they approach such discussions in a dignified manner given their loss.

I am frankly impressed too. I cannot imagine I'd be able to not scream FU to anyone who posted such nonsense and expected me to just forget my loved one or said I shouldn't have a voice because my loved one was murdered as it would be unbiased.

Yet, andy didn't mention those who are here as penpals who are obviously biased towards killers. Are THEY okay and allowed to speak? How unbiased are they?

What about those activist in the abolitionist movement? They are surely unbiased too, right?

[Deleted]

Why should it be unbiased? Everything in our life is based on emotion, that is what makes us human after all. Btw, suppose you were in a car accident and you need your car fixed and medical bills paid for. How about I come and tell you the driver of the other car is sorry and that he deserves a second chance besides you're biased? Of course you are!! It is your life that is affected and not mine and you would tell me to mind my own dam business. You would be right about the car accident but when it comes to murder our being biased is against us. Something that is more valuable than any piece of metal or any material anything and everyone thinks that we shouldn't have any say because we are too emotionally involved. Then the same should be true with anything that happens. Even if the accident wasn't your fault, you get no say in anything. Others like can judge what happens to you and to anyone because they are unbiased.

You treat victims worse than property. You would have compassion and understanding for the person without a car because of an accident but have none for victims of murder. Victims are nothing to many(other than for your entertainment purposes such as coming to this board). Victims were everything to many of us and we are not going to let the world forget.

Like your emotions have nothing to do with this debate. Who do you think you're kidding? Not a single person here. Murder is very emotional and if you can't see that than what to he11 are you doing here? You want to exclude the very people that murder has entered their lives?

Btw, as far as emotions. Yours are showing all over the place by your posts. Better check it out. I have seen anger, some very dry humor, and above all else the signs of forgiveness for murderers. I'd say that is emotional.

[Deleted]

It is always the case when two opposing beliefs meet each will have their own biased for reasoning. Other wise there can be not true debate.

[Lotus Flower]

greggsmom said:

Why should it be unbiased? Everything in our life is based on emotion, that is what makes us human after all. Btw, suppose you were in a car accident and you need your car fixed and medical bills paid for. How about I come and tell you the driver of the other car is sorry and that he deserves a second chance besides you're biased? Of course you are!! It is your life that is affected and not mine and you would tell me to mind my own dam business. You would be right about the car accident but when it comes to murder our being biased is against us. Something that is more valuable than any piece of metal or any material anything and everyone thinks that we shouldn't have any say because we are too emotionally involved. Then the same should be true with anything that happens. Even if the accident wasn't your fault, you get no say in anything. Others like can judge what happens to you and to anyone because they are unbiased.

You treat victims worse than property. You would have compassion and understanding for the person without a car because of an accident but have none for victims of murder. Victims are nothing to many(other than for your entertainment purposes such as coming to this board). Victims were everything to many of us and we are not going to let the world forget.

Like your emotions have nothing to do with this debate. Who do you think you're kidding? Not a single person here. Murder is very emotional and if you can't see that than what to he11 are you doing here? You want to exclude the very people that murder has entered their lives?

Btw, as far as emotions. Yours are showing all over the place by your posts. Better check it out. I have seen anger, some very dry humor, and above all else the signs of forgiveness for murderers. I'd say that is emotional.

Tremendous post, hon. It nails it on the head exactly. We are naturally biased based on life experiences (to deny that is arrogant). But... wow... NOTHING ...NOTHING compares to having a bias on murderers because one of them stole your child, spouse or loved one.

EVERY victim counts and EVERY MVS deserves a VOICE if only (and that's a huge "only") to be the voice of those they lost.

[josephdphillips]

andy28 said:

I'm very sorry for your loss but how can you have an unbiased view if you have been directly affected? When it comes to serious debate emotions need to be put aside surely?

Actually, you're not sorry for anyone's loss. That frees you to have "unbiased views."

[Deleted]

andy28 said:

lemondrop said:

I never read DR inmate's "blogs" and "letters" where all they focus on all day is their emminent demise. Honestly, these days, there are too many penpals out there desirign to make killers smile and laugh, so it's hardly as it used to be in prison. Now it's close to a hotel, except with bad food.

A hotel? OMG have you ever been in prison? I have and i bet death row is far worse than my experiences.

Actually Joe, s/he is biased. Admitting to being in prison. Never said whether a visitor or as a guest of the prison but it shows that there might be some basis for bias..

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andy28 said:

I'm used to forums Zambo. I like to see both sides of the argument, i can't stand a forum where all the members agree its boring. Like i said, i'm now neutral ( used to be pro ).

It appears that the sometimes anti and other times pro has also posted that s/he likes both sides of the argument. Of course, she is sorry for my loss and that makes me bias and therefore not able to contribute to the debate.

OMG. s/he wants to take over the board and just debate the many other personalities that inhabit her/his body.