Allen Lee 'Tiny' Davis

[Lotus Flower]

andy28 said:

It was retired because of him. The chair was brand new - he was it's first victim. He bled from the nose and a major investigation was launched into the chair and weather it was barbaric. After the Davis execution the states started dropping it one by one.
I'm not an anti at all i am just anti LI. If the chair was brought back i could see the point of the whole thing.

The chair is still in several states as options w/Nebraska having it as the only option. So the Davis case was not the reason other states dropped it.

You really say you're pro? Wow, I am not trying to offend here but a review of your posts and my impression has been that you are decidedly pro-criminal and anti everything. How can you be a pro if only for the chair? That's the first time I've heard that... most complain that the chair is cruel and at least LI isn't.

[andy28]

Thats why i'm anti. Do you really think a murderer is going to crap his pants about having a LI? A complete waste of time you would be better off locking him up forever.
As for the chair, it's OPTIONAL. It was'nt up until the davis execution.

[Anony+]

andy28 said:

Thats why i'm anti. Do you really think a murderer is going to crap his pants about having a LI? A complete waste of time you would be better off locking him up forever.
As for the chair, it's OPTIONAL. It was'nt up until the davis execution.

Interesting logic. You're only a pro if the execution method can scare the shyt out of the executee. Otherwise, you're against the death penalty. So I guess the only reason why you'd be pro would be for the psychological torture. No other reasons are sufficient for you. Nothing to do with punishment. Nothing to do with deterrance. Purely for torture purposes. If you can't torture them, then what's the point. Scary.

And FYI,

States were getting rid of the chair long before the Davis execution.

And I was personally involved in the fight to keep the chair in Georgia, so I have first hand knowledge when I tell you that the Davis execution was not even remotely considered (because it wasn't in the record, per se) by the Georgia Supreme Court when they ruled the chair unconstitutional.

[andy28]

But why? And why are Davis' photos the only ones that exsist of a fry up? They built a new chair and Davis was it's first customer. Seems funny to spend all that money on just him. In 1999 4 or 5 states still had the chair as a sole means i'm fairly certain. After all the uproar about the execution it dissapeared completely ( apart from a few more in the new millenium elsewhere ).

[Anony+]

andy28 said:

But why? And why are Davis' photos the only ones that exsist of a fry up? They built a new chair and Davis was it's first customer. Seems funny to spend all that money on just him. In 1999 4 or 5 states still had the chair as a sole means i'm fairly certain. After all the uproar about the execution it dissapeared completely ( apart from a few more in the new millenium elsewhere ).

Yeah, 4 or 5. A mere fraction of the number who had it 20 years prior. The electric chair was already a dinosaur. Becoming extinct by the time Tiny Davis had his turn.

Further, there were several "botched" executions in Florida (and yes, there are pictures of the others -- haven't you seen or heard of the execution when there were flames coming from the electrode in the executee's head?) that led to its demise in that state, and that state ONLY. The remaining few states got rid of it because, basically, everyone else had.

Time for you to go back and read a little more on the subject, I think, before you make these incorrect, sweeping generalizations again.

[Lotus Flower]

andy28 said:

But why? And why are Davis' photos the only ones that exsist of a fry up? They built a new chair and Davis was it's first customer. Seems funny to spend all that money on just him. In 1999 4 or 5 states still had the chair as a sole means i'm fairly certain. After all the uproar about the execution it dissapeared completely ( apart from a few more in the new millenium elsewhere ).

The photos exist because these amnesty ijits were begging for a DP Poster Board and found it in those photos.

[onetwobomb]

andy28 said:

But why? And why are Davis' photos the only ones that exsist of a fry up? They built a new chair and Davis was it's first customer. Seems funny to spend all that money on just him. In 1999 4 or 5 states still had the chair as a sole means i'm fairly certain. After all the uproar about the execution it dissapeared completely ( apart from a few more in the new millenium elsewhere ).

Actually there's a couple other photos, including Ted Bundy.

[andy28]

Yeah but they are photos of them in the morgue. I'm talking about photos of inmates in the chair. Did you see how quickly that elephant was electrocuted? I very much doubt a human would feel any pain.

[Anony+]

andy28 said:

Yeah but they are photos of them in the morgue. I'm talking about photos of inmates in the chair. Did you see how quickly that elephant was electrocuted? I very much doubt a human would feel any pain.

And that supports your logical argument, how?

[andy28]

Well if a 5 ton animal can die instantly from the same voltage i very much doubt that a man even as fat as Davis would last more than a millisecond. This issue of blood from his conk was more to do with electrocution being unpleasent for the witnesses.

[Lotus Flower]

andy28 said:

Well if a 5 ton animal can die instantly from the same voltage i very much doubt that a man even as fat as Davis would last more than a millisecond. This issue of blood from his conk was more to do with electrocution being unpleasent for the witnesses.

You're actually making the case that Zambo was wrong and it is not torture. So why did you agree with him? Here:

andy28 said:

Although what he did was a scummy thing it troubles me that they tortured him 17 years later for it. He could be a completely different bloke by then. They need to carry out executions quicker.

Also, you're correct, the amount of voltage in the initial jolt does render one unconscious almost instantly. However, so does LI with the first dose of anethestia (delivered in a lethal amount in and of itself).

[hoyadestroya85]

Can we stop bringing up Pieces of Sh*t like davis who died more than 5 years ago...
i don't care how he died... he's dead and in hell right now...

[Charlene]

Andy, do you have split personality disorder?

You start the thread with "...this fat git..." then say "...it's silly to keep going at the man..."

Later "...I'm not an anti at all..." then "...Thats why i'm anti..."

You have confused the heck outta me.

[Rev. Agave]

andy28 said:

Do you really think a murderer is going to crap his pants about having a LI?

Actually, that is exactly what happens.

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admin said:

Andy, do you have split personality disorder?

You start the thread with "...this fat git..." then say "...it's silly to keep going at the man..."

Later "...I'm not an anti at all..." then "...Thats why i'm anti..."

You have confused the heck outta me.

Counfusing, but entertaining on such a boring night.

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agaveman said:

andy28 said:

Do you really think a murderer is going to crap his pants about having a LI?

Actually, that is exactly what happens.

I would be scared to death about going to hell. The whole prospect of going there if I had killed somebody would scare me more than anything else.

[andy28]

lemondrop said:

andy28 said:

Well if a 5 ton animal can die instantly from the same voltage i very much doubt that a man even as fat as Davis would last more than a millisecond. This issue of blood from his conk was more to do with electrocution being unpleasent for the witnesses.

You're actually making the case that Zambo was wrong and it is not torture. So why did you agree with him? Here:

andy28 said:

Although what he did was a scummy thing it troubles me that they tortured him 17 years later for it. He could be a completely different bloke by then. They need to carry out executions quicker.

Also, you're correct, the amount of voltage in the initial jolt does render one unconscious almost instantly. However, so does LI with the first dose of anethestia (delivered in a lethal amount in and of itself).

I meant the mental torture. It must be horrible sitting there all that time wondering what it is going to feel like.

[andy28]

I can see arguments for both sides so i'm a bit confused at the mo. Maybe i am a schizo i dunno!

[andy28]

agaveman said:

andy28 said:

Do you really think a murderer is going to crap his pants about having a LI?

Actually, that is exactly what happens.

They only *crap* their pants in the electric chair due to losing control of their muscles. With LI they just *deleted* themselves ( like everyone who dies does ).

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lemondrop said:

zambo said:

the guy was sentanced to death not torture . the ultimate punishment was dealt out by the courts and not to be added to by a couple of heavy handed guards. if what is being said has any substance then these guys should be removed from this form of duty and placed elswheres. It would take a very optimistic person to believe they would be dealt with in any other manner than a possible slap on the wrists.

Torture? Please.

So you want to talk about his victims and what torture they went through before you cry over a little nosebleed on a murderer? Let's focus on THAT.. no? (Really hope you read ALL of the below)

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On May 11, 1982, Davis--an ex-convict--entered the Jacksonville, Fla., home of the John Weiler family. Weiler, an executive with the Westinghouse Corp., was on a business trip in Pittsburgh.

In the Weiler home, Allen Lee Davis attacked Nancy Weiler, 37, who at the time was three months pregnant with the family's third child. Davis bludgeoned Mrs. Weiler--who was the corresponding secretary of the PTA at her children's school--so severely that she was barely recognizable when police found her body. Davis brutalized Mrs. Weiler with such force that the trigger guard on the gun with which he was beating her broke, as did the wooden grips and metal frame of its handle.

Davis tied up the Weiler's 10-year-old daughter, Kristy--a 5th-grade student who hoped to become a nuclear engineer someday--and shot her in the face, killing her. {think there was more blood than a simple nosebleed?}

The Weilers' other child -- 5-year-old Kathy -- tried to run from Davis. He shot her in the back, and then beat her, crushing her skull. {A FIVE YEAR OLD BEATEN TO DEATH AFTER BEING SHOT... THINK THERE WAS MORE BLOOD?}

There was quite a bit of blood in the Weiler home after Davis had killed the mother and her two children. Considerably more blood than inadvertently appeared on Davis' shirt during the execution.

www.prodeathpenalty.com/Weiler.htm

The bastard should have been bled out instead of humanely executed. He deserved FAR worse than he ever ever ever ever considered when TORTURING a pregnant mother and her two children.

Cry for THEM!

I really dont need you to point out to me what he did . I am fully aware of what happened. Ok you said he deserved far worse apart from death what are you actually refferring to? you make these statements now tell me what else could be done to make him suffer more? Oh by the way I was not talking about victims.

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moonbeam said:

As far as his family is concerned, they had a long time to get used to the idea of the monsters forthcoming death and they had the knowledge of what he did to deserve it. Not their fault no, but in no way is their pain remotely comparable to the victims/family.

You are right . these people must come from a different planet.

Lets hope you never get the bad news that a member of your family is dieing of cancer and and only has a few years to live. I guess that wont bother you too much beacuase you will have time to get used to it, so by the time the dredid day comes you wont feel any pain... hmmmmm... may be thats the sort of person you are .. who knows... but there is one difference, at least you will have every opportunity to make each day special and be with them and spen some quality time. the murderers family does not have that opportunity. So dont sit here and tell me they have plenty of time to get used to it. I dont cae one bit about the murderer but I do feel for the families.

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meme said:

"More than paid for it". That has got to be the single most azzwipe defense of a predatory vile POStinkinShyt Murderer I have ever read. This bloated sack of human excrement had a widdle nosebleed. Well, let's put his hogbodied fat azz under glass and hold him in state while the thousands of anti mourners file by his displayed corpse weeping.

yeah , and I guess you would be standing there selling hotdogs and popcorn .

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glennf said:

admin said:

Wait a minute....aren't you the person who started this whole thread? With a comment that could be considered as "going at the man"....?

Obviously this idiot was an anti all along, the above statement proves it!

glenn only a person with a simplistic aptitude would call a person an idiot for expressing a veiw . let her have her say and if you can muster up enough words to respond in a constructive manner then give it a go.

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andy28 said:

But why? And why are Davis' photos the only ones that exsist of a fry up? They built a new chair and Davis was it's first customer. Seems funny to spend all that money on just him. In 1999 4 or 5 states still had the chair as a sole means i'm fairly certain. After all the uproar about the execution it dissapeared completely ( apart from a few more in the new millenium elsewhere ).

I guess andy28 the reason why the photos are there is because the true antis have made sure they were there to spark up emotion , disgust, debate and provoke a reaction. Based on this thread they acieved all of that and more. I dont understand how a pro forum could let this become such an issue . guess the anti's are one up.

[Moonbeam]

zambo said:

moonbeam said:

As far as his family is concerned, they had a long time to get used to the idea of the monsters forthcoming death and they had the knowledge of what he did to deserve it. Not their fault no, but in no way is their pain remotely comparable to the victims/family.

You are right . these people must come from a different planet.

Lets hope you never get the bad news that a member of your family is dieing of cancer and and only has a few years to live. I guess that wont bother you too much beacuase you will have time to get used to it, so by the time the dredid day comes you wont feel any pain... hmmmmm... may be thats the sort of person you are .. who knows... but there is one difference, at least you will have every opportunity to make each day special and be with them and spen some quality time. the murderers family does not have that opportunity. So dont sit here and tell me they have plenty of time to get used to it. I dont cae one bit about the murderer but I do feel for the families.

No one said the relatives of a murderer sentenced to DP won't feel pain, I said it is not comparable to the pain of the mvs, so save your smartass sarcasm for someone who wants to listen to your tripe. I can also say that your "lets hope you don't get the news a member of your family is dying of cancer", is too late, please do not presume things about me, you know nothing!!

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I dont need to know anything about you your words say enough about you as it is .


correction .. you said "but in no way is their pain remotely comparable to the victims/family." so there for it is ok for you to presume things about others???

no smartass comments there just drawing comparisons.

[Moonbeam]

and you know that I am just presuming that do you? How exactly do you reach that conclusion?

[andy28]

Zambo one thing i have noticed is all these pro characters seem to resort to all sorts of abuse in their posts to get their point across. Maybe they are of the same temperament as these so called 'scumbags' on DR.

[Moonbeam]

I'm surprised you have even noticed the days of the week the twists and turns you make

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moonbeam said:

and you know that I am just presuming that do you? How exactly do you reach that conclusion?

i do believe you have had a mental block??? well unless you know each and every one of their personal feelings, you can only be presuming or assuming , otherwise you are away in the land of the pixies.