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Post by mel77 on Jan 5, 2009 3:26:18 GMT -6
Nahh I sort of made it harder for him to rejoin after he deleted his account, but if he does I will just reban him. I was kinda hoping the knob would be back, its fun making him cringe, the worthless mother foucker! Felix, relax.
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 5, 2009 3:33:37 GMT -6
I was kinda hoping the knob would be back, its fun making him cringe, the worthless mother foucker! Felix, relax. Will you massage me, it might help?
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Post by mel77 on Jan 5, 2009 3:37:25 GMT -6
Felix, shuddup or I will be tempted to start doubting whether you really do what you say you do.
Btw, are you black?
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Post by Tim S on Jan 5, 2009 3:44:20 GMT -6
Felix your title " The Honest Anti "worries me.
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 5, 2009 3:48:14 GMT -6
Felix, shuddup or I will be tempted to start doubting whether you really do what you say you do. Btw, are you black? OK OK, gaddammit Mel! No need for going that low, I'll stop it now, OK?
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 5, 2009 3:49:20 GMT -6
Felix your title " The Honest Anti "worries me. Are you the worrying type, or do you want to explain further what exactly your concern is? You have me worried now also Tim
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 5, 2009 5:31:53 GMT -6
Felix your title " The Honest Anti "worries me. Tim, I remain worried that you are worried, its no way to start a new year, can I help you?
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Post by Tim S on Jan 5, 2009 7:59:54 GMT -6
Thank you for worrying about me. You see I am worried that you perhaps are not as honest as you proclaim..and that is worrying.
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 5, 2009 8:17:47 GMT -6
Thank you for worrying about me. You see I am worried that you perhaps are not as honest as you proclaim..and that is worrying. so spell it oput, in what precise way are you worried that I might not be honest. Just just plant a seed, come right out and say it fully and openly and lets deal with it. Over to you
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Post by lawrence on Jan 5, 2009 8:25:14 GMT -6
Tims, Felix is an honest bloke, black he is not but honest he is, stop worrying about him or i will start worrying about you worrying about him, that would be enough to amke anyone worry and its a new year so we dont have to wrry about a think. the world is how we left it last year. Murders still happen. The palestinians are getting pummelled for upsetting the Isrealies British and American soldiers are still fighting in Iraq and Afhganistan. Russia is playing hardmen with the ukraine. The Germans are still peacefull and have not invaded anyone for a while. Ireland voted not to the constition and Europe said they got it wrong and have to vote again. Oil is still low. Cars are still too expensive Fuel annd hose hold bills are still too high. We still have (unfortunatetly) a socialist government in Britain. Scotland are still crap at football. The Aussies are no longer the dominant force in cricket The world is still in recession. Wars and famine are rife. Religion is still the biggest problem on the planet. Essex boy has left the building. So why oh why are you worrying about Felix worrying about you.
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Post by lawrence on Jan 5, 2009 8:26:50 GMT -6
See, Tims, im so worried about you worrying i didnt do a spell check.
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Post by Tim S on Jan 5, 2009 8:27:39 GMT -6
Well you seem to be in a job that you are tired off. You do not have to love the people you meet in your daily work but you must have respect for them. Regarding Andy: I feel that a lot of what he says is if not correct then at least in the right direction. As you may or may not know some years ago I changed job direction and work with people who have a so called " Double Diagnose " Addiction and mental problems, so what I hear Andy saying here about not working addiction etc etc is par for the course. And that makes me wonder about you. If you work with these people you are in my opinion showing a lack of empathy and/or general understanding.
Seems to me that there is a general agreement on this board to join forces against Andy. He has at times said some obnoxious things about others however he gets payed back tenfold.
You see your reasoning with him strikes me as the type of gut answer from the man in the street..not a professional.
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Post by Californian on Jan 5, 2009 8:46:29 GMT -6
Thank you for worrying about me. You see I am worried that you perhaps are not as honest as you proclaim..and that is worrying. Tim: I'd drink with Felix, anti or not. That's really all you need to know.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2009 9:00:13 GMT -6
Thank you for worrying about me. You see I am worried that you perhaps are not as honest as you proclaim..and that is worrying. Tim: I'd drink with Felix, anti or not. That's really all you need to know. I believe you would not only drink with Felix but break out the best to celebrate a good working relationship
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 5, 2009 9:11:56 GMT -6
Well you seem to be in a job that you are tired off. You do not have to love the people you meet in your daily work but you must have respect for them. Regarding Andy: I feel that a lot of what he says is if not correct then at least in the right direction. As you may or may not know some years ago I changed job direction and work with people who have a so called " Double Diagnose " Addiction and mental problems, so what I hear Andy saying here about not working addiction etc etc is par for the course. And that makes me wonder about you. If you work with these people you are in my opinion showing a lack of empathy and/or general understanding. Seems to me that there is a general agreement on this board to join forces against Andy. He has at times said some obnoxious things about others however he gets payed back tenfold. You see your reasoning with him strikes me as the type of gut answer from the man in the street..not a professional. Ah, but what you fail to grasp Tim is that here I am a man of the street, a layman. This is an internet board, not a professional clinical team meeting. In my job the in house joke around here is that I seem top always get referrals of folk similar to Andy from fellow professionals looking for a "second opinion". Let me be real honest here Tim, both they and I know that its never the second professional opinion they really want, what they are frequently wanting is a professional with the balls to call a spade3 a spade and not pass the buck, play cover my arse and move the problem for someone else to make a definitve decision about. I make my assessment, and will generally stand firm by any assessment made unless clinical evidence emerges futher down the line that suggests I should revise my diagnosis. Professionalls I am a bit brash and direct, but then when we set up the first successful crisis and home treatment teams for people in cental London I cant help notice that not many of the pusy type so called professionals had the required mettle to start that new way or working. Frankly Tim, most mental pateints I encounter who are sectionable and seriosuly ill relax with me after a very short space of time when they realize I will still manage risk outsode of a psychiatric institution that lockes them away and I will and do sign off on the associated risks. these type of patients I gel with well, partly because they know I admire and empathise with them in their situation which is not of their own making. Not contrast that professional attitude with other kinds of folk like Andy, they continue to inflict by theior own choice the situations they complain aboyut, they complain they are fragile, they complain they are weak, the beg your pity and plead ineptitude and inability to do anything for themselves, all the time helping themselves to tax dollars and being a general niusance to their neighbours and all and sundry. To be frank such folk make me puke. Such folk ought to be ashamed if they ever had the nerve to extract their heads from their anuses and see what folk with seriosu emntal illness on a daily basis live with and achieve for themselves abnd their families. When I see soem real clinical evidence that I should change nmy attitude to such wimps, then I will ervise my position, but until then all I will view Andy as, is a manipulative individual who the moment he thought he had any sympathy or backing, very quickly tried to consolidate opinion against Lawrence and others on the board. Feel free to comment further if I am not coming over clearly, but to tell someone they are not seriously ill, or mentally incapable and are in afct able if they put their mind to it, to turn their situation around, - last time I checked, that was a good thing to hear from a professional however bluntly put.
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 5, 2009 10:26:07 GMT -6
Tim: I'd drink with Felix, anti or not. That's really all you need to know. I believe you would not only drink with Felix but break out the best to celebrate a good working relationship I quite agree, his irreveerent brand of cyniciam and dark humour is the first thing we look for when looking to recruit new colleagues to our team, we sometimes look at the actual, CV after we have sobered up! You can tell by Cali his pedigree and that he has seen some stuff in life, it produces that exact type of quip, its how we humans actually survive terrible events.
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Post by Tim S on Jan 5, 2009 10:52:18 GMT -6
Well you seem to be in a job that you are tired off. You do not have to love the people you meet in your daily work but you must have respect for them. Regarding Andy: I feel that a lot of what he says is if not correct then at least in the right direction. As you may or may not know some years ago I changed job direction and work with people who have a so called " Double Diagnose " Addiction and mental problems, so what I hear Andy saying here about not working addiction etc etc is par for the course. And that makes me wonder about you. If you work with these people you are in my opinion showing a lack of empathy and/or general understanding. Seems to me that there is a general agreement on this board to join forces against Andy. He has at times said some obnoxious things about others however he gets payed back tenfold. You see your reasoning with him strikes me as the type of gut answer from the man in the street..not a professional. Ah, but what you fail to grasp Tim is that here I am a man of the street, a layman. This is an internet board, not a professional clinical team meeting. In my job the in house joke around here is that I seem top always get referrals of folk similar to Andy from fellow professionals looking for a "second opinion". Let me be real honest here Tim, both they and I know that its never the second professional opinion they really want, what they are frequently wanting is a professional with the balls to call a spade3 a spade and not pass the buck, play cover my arse and move the problem for someone else to make a definitve decision about. I make my assessment, and will generally stand firm by any assessment made unless clinical evidence emerges futher down the line that suggests I should revise my diagnosis. Professionalls I am a bit brash and direct, but then when we set up the first successful crisis and home treatment teams for people in cental London I cant help notice that not many of the pusy type so called professionals had the required mettle to start that new way or working. Frankly Tim, most mental pateints I encounter who are sectionable and seriosuly ill relax with me after a very short space of time when they realize I will still manage risk outsode of a psychiatric institution that lockes them away and I will and do sign off on the associated risks. these type of patients I gel with well, partly because they know I admire and empathise with them in their situation which is not of their own making. Not contrast that professional attitude with other kinds of folk like Andy, they continue to inflict by theior own choice the situations they complain aboyut, they complain they are fragile, they complain they are weak, the beg your pity and plead ineptitude and inability to do anything for themselves, all the time helping themselves to tax dollars and being a general niusance to their neighbours and all and sundry. To be frank such folk make me puke. Such folk ought to be ashamed if they ever had the nerve to extract their heads from their anuses and see what folk with seriosu emntal illness on a daily basis live with and achieve for themselves abnd their families. When I see soem real clinical evidence that I should change nmy attitude to such wimps, then I will ervise my position, but until then all I will view Andy as, is a manipulative individual who the moment he thought he had any sympathy or backing, very quickly tried to consolidate opinion against Lawrence and others on the board. Feel free to comment further if I am not coming over clearly, but to tell someone they are not seriously ill, or mentally incapable and are in afct able if they put their mind to it, to turn their situation around, - last time I checked, that was a good thing to hear from a professional however bluntly put. Ok so it was well written...........but as far as I know Andy has a habit and as far as I know does not seem to have more mental problems than anyone here. It would appear that you perhaps are not used to working with addicts...because otherwise it would be apparent that Andy was showing many of the classic signs of addiction. But ok lets for the sake of the arguement say that he IS everything that everyone says he is. So what are you going to do about it? Our society does not let us ignore people..like it or not people like him are here to stay. But perhaps he is playing the devils advocate and just winding you up?
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Post by Tim S on Jan 5, 2009 10:54:20 GMT -6
Sorry but if you are layman how can you be a proffesional at the sametime?
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 5, 2009 11:02:37 GMT -6
Ah, but what you fail to grasp Tim is that here I am a man of the street, a layman. This is an internet board, not a professional clinical team meeting. In my job the in house joke around here is that I seem top always get referrals of folk similar to Andy from fellow professionals looking for a "second opinion". Let me be real honest here Tim, both they and I know that its never the second professional opinion they really want, what they are frequently wanting is a professional with the balls to call a spade3 a spade and not pass the buck, play cover my arse and move the problem for someone else to make a definitve decision about. I make my assessment, and will generally stand firm by any assessment made unless clinical evidence emerges futher down the line that suggests I should revise my diagnosis. Professionalls I am a bit brash and direct, but then when we set up the first successful crisis and home treatment teams for people in cental London I cant help notice that not many of the pusy type so called professionals had the required mettle to start that new way or working. Frankly Tim, most mental pateints I encounter who are sectionable and seriosuly ill relax with me after a very short space of time when they realize I will still manage risk outsode of a psychiatric institution that lockes them away and I will and do sign off on the associated risks. these type of patients I gel with well, partly because they know I admire and empathise with them in their situation which is not of their own making. Not contrast that professional attitude with other kinds of folk like Andy, they continue to inflict by theior own choice the situations they complain aboyut, they complain they are fragile, they complain they are weak, the beg your pity and plead ineptitude and inability to do anything for themselves, all the time helping themselves to tax dollars and being a general niusance to their neighbours and all and sundry. To be frank such folk make me puke. Such folk ought to be ashamed if they ever had the nerve to extract their heads from their anuses and see what folk with seriosu emntal illness on a daily basis live with and achieve for themselves abnd their families. When I see soem real clinical evidence that I should change nmy attitude to such wimps, then I will ervise my position, but until then all I will view Andy as, is a manipulative individual who the moment he thought he had any sympathy or backing, very quickly tried to consolidate opinion against Lawrence and others on the board. Feel free to comment further if I am not coming over clearly, but to tell someone they are not seriously ill, or mentally incapable and are in afct able if they put their mind to it, to turn their situation around, - last time I checked, that was a good thing to hear from a professional however bluntly put. Ok so it was well written...........but as far as I know Andy has a habit and as far as I know does not seem to have more mental problems than anyone here. It would appear that you perhaps are not used to working with addicts...because otherwise it would be apparent that Andy was showing many of the classic signs of addiction. But ok lets for the sake of the arguement say that he IS everything that everyone says he is. So what are you going to do about it? Our society does not let us ignore people..like it or not people like him are here to stay. But perhaps he is playing the devils advocate and just winding you up? I am not going to do anything about Andy Tim, this is not calcutta, there are drug and alcohol teams all over the country who will support anyone willing to enagge with them in quitting their habit and truning theior lives around. I work with a Mental Health team our criteria for good reason is "severe and enduring mental illness", and Andy does nto meet that criteria. Its a lifestyle choice pure and simple and completely his responsibility to address, IF he ever chooses to. I would not wish to turn it into a medical problem, he has capacity and with that goes responsibility. Some things are of a nature that professionals cannot help you until you decide you want that help and engage with it fully. He says he was proud of his status. So I guess stop bullshytting for him could be a good starting point? Regarding Laymen, I dotn stand on status, no need to my friend, because what I say either stand or falls on the merit of whether what I say makes sense, ansd I dotn feel the need to appeal to some professional status or qualification. Last time I was out andd got in a pub fight along with four colleagues (we did'nt start it) , the doorman recognised us and his amte could'nt believe two of the best scrappers were consultant psychaitrists! LOL ;D
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Post by Tim S on Jan 5, 2009 11:36:39 GMT -6
So are you a psychiatrist ?
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 5, 2009 16:56:17 GMT -6
So are you a psychiatrist ? I did not say that, in fact I have never actually said what I do precisely other than I am in the mental health field.
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Post by Tracy on Jan 5, 2009 17:15:32 GMT -6
Why do people care what Felix does?? I mean really it went from ragging on Andy to ragging on Felix, its all gotten really old really quick. And Felix you dont owe anyone any explaination, who cares what they think or say, i know i dont, but it gets annoying when its comment after comment. Umm other than that have a great day lol.
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 5, 2009 17:34:14 GMT -6
Why do people care what Felix does?? I mean really it went from ragging on Andy to ragging on Felix, its all gotten really old really quick. And Felix you dont owe anyone any explaination, who cares what they think or say, i know i dont, but it gets annoying when its comment after comment. Umm other than that have a great day lol. Dont get concerned about anyone ragging on me Tracy, I am far from innocent and deliberately gave Andy a hard time. My skin is way too thick to have even noticed anyone ragging on me other than Tim questioned if I was honest which is fair enough. He had a perception that being a mental health pro means you are nice to everyone and see everyone in a positive light, and frankly I dotn, I told him why and he appears (maybe reluctantly) to have accepted my explanation. Problem is I work on the blunt end of mental health a healthy ability to distinguish between what are the genuinely ill folk and the worried well or malingerers who would feed off any attention given without making any changes. If that comes accross at times as if I dont care about guys like Andy, its generally because I dont. Most of them like to muddy the waters for courts and judges and try to use us towards that end.
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Post by Californian on Jan 5, 2009 19:51:45 GMT -6
Ok so it was well written...........but as far as I know Andy has a habit and as far as I know does not seem to have more mental problems than anyone here. It would appear that you perhaps are not used to working with addicts...because otherwise it would be apparent that Andy was showing many of the classic signs of addiction. But ok lets for the sake of the arguement say that he IS everything that everyone says he is. So what are you going to do about it? Our society does not let us ignore people..like it or not people like him are here to stay. But perhaps he is playing the devils advocate and just winding you up? Tim: Your lack of any knowledge of both pharmacology and neurology is quite apparent. Your understanding of the nature of addiction is wanting in the extreme, as well. You sound like just the sort of sappy liberal that the self-help leftist ninnies call an "enabler."
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Post by Tim S on Jan 6, 2009 5:40:37 GMT -6
Ok so it was well written...........but as far as I know Andy has a habit and as far as I know does not seem to have more mental problems than anyone here. It would appear that you perhaps are not used to working with addicts...because otherwise it would be apparent that Andy was showing many of the classic signs of addiction. But ok lets for the sake of the arguement say that he IS everything that everyone says he is. So what are you going to do about it? Our society does not let us ignore people..like it or not people like him are here to stay. But perhaps he is playing the devils advocate and just winding you up? Tim: Your lack of any knowledge of both pharmacology and neurology is quite apparent. Your understanding of the nature of addiction is wanting in the extreme, as well. You sound like just the sort of sappy liberal that the self-help leftist ninnies call an "enabler." And your expertis is? Oh my God I am being called a liberal again. And which country is is that is being supported by the tax payers? Travel the world. You might learn something.
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Post by Tim S on Jan 6, 2009 5:42:21 GMT -6
So are you a psychiatrist ? I did not say that, in fact I have never actually said what I do precisely other than I am in the mental health field. So what do you do? Beause I would like to know. Because what you write is complete populistic shite. Sorry but thats the way i read it. Honest!
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 6, 2009 5:50:40 GMT -6
I did not say that, in fact I have never actually said what I do precisely other than I am in the mental health field. So what do you do? Beause I would like to know. Because what you write is complete populistic shite. Sorry but thats the way i read it. Honest! I dont expect you to understand it Tim, nor the rationale for the decisions teams like ours come to, if you did you'd kind of be an exception to the general rule in the general population that does not haqve to conduct such specialist assessments in the first place. You make the statement that what i write is populistic shyte, but you do not evidence that in any way that I could clinically see reasons for the conclusion you come to other than "its the way you read it". What exactly is that supoposed to mean? there is a reason soem are considered qualified to decide what is mental illness and what is not, and its not neccessarily a bad thing to begin with the assumption nobody is ill until it is well proven, I suppose you'd throw the label ay anything and anyone you did'nt understand?
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 6, 2009 5:52:11 GMT -6
I did not say that, in fact I have never actually said what I do precisely other than I am in the mental health field. So what do you do? Beause I would like to know. Because what you write is complete populistic shite. Sorry but thats the way i read it. Honest! Then deal with what I write, what I do is irrelevant other than I do work in mental health.
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Post by lawrence on Jan 6, 2009 7:26:03 GMT -6
TimS, Mental Illness to me is a little bit of a complex issue, i profess to know sod all about it other then what i have read or what i have watched in documentaries and alike. What i have got is a bloody good memory so please bare with me as i am 4th word dyslexic/ whatever my doctor means by that so forgive the spelling.
Mentil illness in braod terms and keeping it simplistic is an inclusive term, what i mean by that is this, it is generally denoting one or all of the following.
a disease of the brain, with predominantly behaveral symptoms as in addcition to alcoholizm, a disease of the "mind" and or personality. menaing they have abnormal behaviour as in schizofreania?phreania?anyway you get what I mean yes? that syptom according to medical practitioners or people that work in theis field, Felix, correct me if im wrong is also called an emotional disease a disturbance or disorder or both.
Andy as far as i am aware was not suffering from any of the above as like Felix said , Andy was living a lifestyle choice.He chose by this on his own and was i presume aware of the possible consequences of such actions. Addiction could be an OCD if you really want to get to it. Andy was and is in my eyes totally undeserving of any help or assitance due to the fact that the guy has not hit rock bottom other then in his attitude towards myself and others on this board. i took violently against him because he threatened my family and that is agianst all that i stand for and believe in. Your work with people with drug addiction is to be applauded as they are victims of circumstance. However these people can only be helped if they want it, really want it and those that do are to be applauded too. Andy was a scumbag and nothing more, he had no mental illness at all and i would say from experience in life that he was just a sad and nasty individual who would quite happily blame society for his situation rather then himself. I have no sympathy for people like that, none whatsoever. Sorry if that offends you.
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Post by Californian on Jan 6, 2009 9:15:18 GMT -6
TimS, Mental Illness to me is a little bit of a complex issue, i profess to know sod all about it other then what i have read or what i have watched in documentaries and alike. What i have got is a bloody good memory so please bare with me as i am 4th word dyslexic/ whatever my doctor means by that so forgive the spelling. Mentil illness in braod terms and keeping it simplistic is an inclusive term, what i mean by that is this, it is generally denoting one or all of the following. The problem Tim has is that he apparently buys into the notion that drug addiction is a mental illness. It's not. It's like I heard a shrink once tell a patient at a hospital where I was employed: "Look, son, being an *%#*@* is not a mental illness, and you're not mentally ill. Figure it out." God, I loved that guy.
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