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Post by clairew on Dec 18, 2008 7:39:35 GMT -6
I've never been incarcerated on death row myself ( thank god ) What a totally weird thing to say. I think it's normal in andy's case ;D
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Post by Lisa on Dec 18, 2008 8:52:57 GMT -6
You as a CO should'nt even have any view on DR inmates personally. It interferes with you doing your job professionally if you do. Are you serious? CO's, above all else, must constantly be aware that they are dealing with some of the most artful, practiced, manipulative liars on the face of the earth.
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Post by D.E.E. on Dec 18, 2008 9:18:13 GMT -6
I've never been incarcerated on death row myself ( thank god ) but i can't imagine what he says is too far from the truth. You as a CO should'nt even have any view on DR inmates personally. It interferes with you doing your job professionally if you do. See here is the problem with that statement, how do you not have a view on something you see every day? It does not have to stop you from doing your job in a professional way but how does one not see some of the most vile people on earth every day, have to listen to their crap, see what they do and not have a view on it? How does one get chunked on, have spears thrown at them, get cussed at, get threatened, and be told some of the things we are told and not have a view on it? Does this mean we have to act like the criminals in our charge, the answer is NO we do not have to. We can still do our jobs in a professional way and not step down to their level of behavior. I would not expect you to understand since you can not even understand how bad the drugs you use are but I feel the need to say it anyway.
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Post by Californian on Dec 18, 2008 9:39:36 GMT -6
Well said, David.
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Post by Stormyweather on Dec 18, 2008 10:14:38 GMT -6
I've never been incarcerated on death row myself ( thank god ) but i can't imagine what he says is too far from the truth. You as a CO should'nt even have any view on DR inmates personally. It interferes with you doing your job professionally if you do. What are you suddenly an expert or something?
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Post by ltdc on Dec 18, 2008 11:49:54 GMT -6
I've never been incarcerated on death row myself ( thank god ) but i can't imagine what he says is too far from the truth. You as a CO should'nt even have any view on DR inmates personally. It interferes with you doing your job professionally if you do. and here again, a perfect "thought process" example of why drugs are illegal
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Post by Grey on Dec 18, 2008 13:12:58 GMT -6
You as a CO should'nt even have any view on DR inmates personally. It interferes with you doing your job professionally if you do. Are you serious? CO's, above all else, must constantly be aware that they are dealing with some of the most artful, practiced, manipulative liars on the face of the earth. Not to mention murderers, because let's face it, they didn't go on death row from picking daisies from a field...and besides everyone thinks bad about murderers (except for those people on the desperate/denial/murderer loving boards) COs still have a duty to perform. And on that note everyone has biases, but they can still remain professional about it like in any other job (even though COs are faced with a lot worse then a teacher with a bad student or a cashier with a bad customer).
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Post by me1 on Dec 18, 2008 13:57:19 GMT -6
I've never been incarcerated on death row myself ( thank god ) What a totally weird thing to say. Have you never heard of aquittals? Not everyone on the row ends their days there.
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Post by me1 on Dec 18, 2008 14:00:51 GMT -6
I've never been incarcerated on death row myself ( thank god ) but i can't imagine what he says is too far from the truth. You as a CO should'nt even have any view on DR inmates personally. It interferes with you doing your job professionally if you do. See here is the problem with that statement, how do you not have a view on something you see every day? It does not have to stop you from doing your job in a professional way but how does one not see some of the most vile people on earth every day, have to listen to their crap, see what they do and not have a view on it? How does one get chunked on, have spears thrown at them, get cussed at, get threatened, and be told some of the things we are told and not have a view on it? Does this mean we have to act like the criminals in our charge, the answer is NO we do not have to. We can still do our jobs in a professional way and not step down to their level of behavior. I would not expect you to understand since you can not even understand how bad the drugs you use are but I feel the need to say it anyway. You need to rise above all that. I know it's sad getting chunked on and verbally abused but thats the job you chose and you have good job security and a pension. They are about to lose their life of course they are going to do those things. It's all part of the job.
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Post by supermax on Dec 18, 2008 14:25:33 GMT -6
The condemned inmates dont actually loose their lives, they forfeit their lives in punishment for their crimes. Why did you chose the words "lose their life", dont you think that implies it is somehow not of their choosing or making ? (edited for monkey like spelling mistake) See here is the problem with that statement, how do you not have a view on something you see every day? It does not have to stop you from doing your job in a professional way but how does one not see some of the most vile people on earth every day, have to listen to their crap, see what they do and not have a view on it? How does one get chunked on, have spears thrown at them, get cussed at, get threatened, and be told some of the things we are told and not have a view on it? Does this mean we have to act like the criminals in our charge, the answer is NO we do not have to. We can still do our jobs in a professional way and not step down to their level of behavior. I would not expect you to understand since you can not even understand how bad the drugs you use are but I feel the need to say it anyway. You need to rise above all that. I know it's sad getting chunked on and verbally abused but thats the job you chose and you have good job security and a pension. They are about to lose their life of course they are going to do those things. It's all part of the job.
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Post by me1 on Dec 18, 2008 14:39:47 GMT -6
No Maxine i just meant they know they have nothing to lose. Have you ever thought of the mischief you would get up to if you were to die tomorrow? Well it's the same with these guys.
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Post by Grey on Dec 18, 2008 15:06:11 GMT -6
No Maxine i just meant they know they have nothing to lose. Have you ever thought of the mischief you would get up to if you were to die tomorrow? Well it's the same with these guys. Your kidding me right, are you talking about the same people who are on death row who everyday apologize for their mistakes, saying they know what they've done wrong and would never do anything bad again?The same people who claim to have "changed" Really? This mischeif is not because they are about to die, its because they have not changed. Assulting COs the last time I checked does not qualify as a changed person. The put themselves in their situations, if they really wanted a pity party or someone who can justify their unhumane like behaviour they can write to their scumpals. What these guys should do is sit down, shut-up and blame no one else for their actions. If they can't be civil outside of prison or in prison, then they will most definitly be civil once they are dead. That's what we call just desserts.
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Post by me1 on Dec 18, 2008 15:22:09 GMT -6
At least i can debate with you without petty personal abuse. Once you are on death row Andie, you lose all morals and hope for the future - there is none! This will inevitably bring about neandathal behaviour. You do what you have to to survive and you become hostile to the guys in uniform who are keeping you in cages. It's no different to a zoo.
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Post by Grey on Dec 18, 2008 15:33:38 GMT -6
At least i can debate with you without petty personal abuse. Once you are on death row Andie, you lose all morals and hope for the future - there is none! This will inevitably bring about neandathal behaviour. You do what you have to to survive and you become hostile to the guys in uniform who are keeping you in cages. It's no different to a zoo. Yet they are preaching at the top of their lungs to anyone who will listen that they don't deserve to die, that they made a mistake, that they are sorry. That's a bunch of crap-unlike their victims, they can appeal and have stays yet they still act in the same manner that got them into prison, attacking and killing COs and other prisoners. And on top of that they want the public to believe they have changed. They don't lose morals and hope for the future, that prisoner took away his own hope and future. No one else did it but him or her. CHOICES they made the wrong ones and now they have to deal with it. They should stop blaming everyone else especially the men in uniforms because at the end of the day that prisoner is the only one to blame. Irony, you mention they fight for survival-well so did their victims. It's not anyone elses problem but theirs that they are getting a taste of their own medicine. Karma-what goes around comes around.
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Post by me1 on Dec 18, 2008 15:42:08 GMT -6
It's a human instinct to do anything you can to survive i guess. Even if it means talking crap about remorse for the victim and finding god. I've always said i would rather be juiced but who knows until you are in that situation?
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Dec 18, 2008 15:50:36 GMT -6
andy, inmates find God all the time in prison. But they leave Him at the gates when they leave.
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Post by Grey on Dec 18, 2008 15:54:29 GMT -6
It's a human instinct to do anything you can to survive i guess. Even if it means talking crap about remorse for the victim and finding god. I've always said i would rather be juiced but who knows until you are in that situation? Why the hell would anyone want to put themselves in that situation? We don't need more murder victims.
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Post by Grey on Dec 18, 2008 15:56:57 GMT -6
andy, inmates find God all the time in prison. But they leave Him at the gates when they leave. Yep, its only when its their turn do they start crying the blues.
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Post by Lauren on Dec 18, 2008 17:22:08 GMT -6
At least i can debate with you without petty personal abuse. Once you are on death row Andie, you lose all morals and hope for the future - there is none! This will inevitably bring about neandathal behaviour. You do what you have to to survive and you become hostile to the guys in uniform who are keeping you in cages. It's no different to a zoo. Gary Rosberg noted that the longer a male offender was in prison, the case example is maximum securtiy, the lower his self-esteem dropped. Male offenders who are just put into jail have normal self-esteem, however over long periods of time it drops as stated before. The offenders have no morals. If they did, they wouldn't have killed in the first place. They are aggressive because they choose to be. It's their nature. They've already expressed bad behaviour and became nethandrals. Being on DR does not change it.
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Post by D.E.E. on Dec 18, 2008 20:05:29 GMT -6
See here is the problem with that statement, how do you not have a view on something you see every day? It does not have to stop you from doing your job in a professional way but how does one not see some of the most vile people on earth every day, have to listen to their crap, see what they do and not have a view on it? How does one get chunked on, have spears thrown at them, get cussed at, get threatened, and be told some of the things we are told and not have a view on it? Does this mean we have to act like the criminals in our charge, the answer is NO we do not have to. We can still do our jobs in a professional way and not step down to their level of behavior. I would not expect you to understand since you can not even understand how bad the drugs you use are but I feel the need to say it anyway. You need to rise above all that. I know it's sad getting chunked on and verbally abused but thats the job you chose and you have good job security and a pension. They are about to lose their life of course they are going to do those things. It's all part of the job. You do not need to tell me my job, I know it well. I was simply explaining to someone who is to ignorant to understand that one can not work is a place with out having a view on it. As I said I knew you would not understand because you can not even understand the harm drugs do to a person.
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Post by D.E.E. on Dec 18, 2008 20:10:57 GMT -6
No Maxine i just meant they know they have nothing to lose. Have you ever thought of the mischief you would get up to if you were to die tomorrow? Well it's the same with these guys. It is not mischief that is what children get in to when they do silly things; it is assault and is viewed as such by all concerned, inmates, CO's and the law.
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Post by D.E.E. on Dec 18, 2008 20:13:33 GMT -6
At least i can debate with you without petty personal abuse. Once you are on death row Andie, you lose all morals and hope for the future - there is none! This will inevitably bring about neandathal behaviour. You do what you have to to survive and you become hostile to the guys in uniform who are keeping you in cages. It's no different to a zoo. So the expert speaks, this is an expert who has never been to the states, never seen the inside of a US prison, most likely never knew a CO or a convict, and has not even really studied it. We are not keeping them in cages they did that to themselves we simply carry out the wishes of the court.
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Post by me1 on Dec 18, 2008 21:53:41 GMT -6
You are the one who keeps reffering ( jokingly ) to me as an expert. I'm not claiming that i'm just having my view.
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Post by Grey on Dec 18, 2008 22:05:10 GMT -6
You are the one who keeps reffering ( jokingly ) to me as an expert. I'm not claiming that i'm just having my view. Well your views kind of sound like your supporting the prisoners...
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Post by me1 on Dec 18, 2008 22:18:42 GMT -6
I'm not supporting anyone i'm just saying why i think they do what they do.
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Post by supermax on Dec 19, 2008 7:17:01 GMT -6
So you dont actually know why ? Do you have any basis on which you can logically and rationally rely ? I'm not supporting anyone i'm just saying why i think they do what they do.
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Post by Tim S on Dec 19, 2008 7:23:30 GMT -6
There is such a thing called human nature which I believe Andy is referring to here. One does not have to be an expert to understand what happens if you mix A and B.
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Post by Stormyweather on Dec 19, 2008 10:11:28 GMT -6
Once you are on death row Andie, you lose all morals and hope for the future - there is none! And that's the way it should be.
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Post by Stormyweather on Dec 19, 2008 10:13:56 GMT -6
We are not keeping them in cages Well the prison cell is kind of like a cage. ;D
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Post by Stormyweather on Dec 19, 2008 10:14:48 GMT -6
There is such a thing called human nature which I believe Andy is referring to here. One does not have to be an expert to understand what happens if you mix A and B. They're behavior of human nature is what made their situation. So they have no one but themselves to blame.
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