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Post by D.E.E. on Dec 19, 2008 10:21:41 GMT -6
There is such a thing called human nature which I believe Andy is referring to here. One does not have to be an expert to understand what happens if you mix A and B. If it is human nature then why don't all of the inmates act that way? It is not human nature it is however the nature of some of the criminals to act with violence at every turn, even while yelling how innocent they are. I have a building full of inmates around 475 (Ag Seg) of them are in single cells and another 400 in double cells (Close Custody) most have been there for years. Out of that 475 only about 30 act out on a regular basis and are refered to as "Crash Dummies" by the other inmates. If it was human nature why doesn't the other 445 act the same way? I see it as excuse making for them when you say it is human nature.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2008 10:30:32 GMT -6
I'm not supporting anyone i'm just saying why i think they do what they do. So you sit here and babble about something you know nothing about. You are projecting your thoughts and ideas about death row; not the inmates nor the CO's. Until you have familiarized yourself with the point of view from both sides you best keep quiet as you prove your ignorance every time you open your mouth. I was once told by a very informed intelligent person that unless you are a CO or an inmate, you will never know nor understand what takes place behind prison walls and how they interact with each other; it is a society the majority of us fail to understand because we don't live it.
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Post by ltdc on Dec 19, 2008 10:45:41 GMT -6
There is such a thing called human nature which I believe Andy is referring to here. One does not have to be an expert to understand what happens if you mix A and B. this is true. and what should happen when A throws shyt on B, is that A should be taken into a room and beat senseless by B and some of his B buddies. this is normal human nature, and the fact is A understands that.
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Post by D.E.E. on Dec 19, 2008 10:49:37 GMT -6
I'm not supporting anyone i'm just saying why i think they do what they do. So you sit here and babble about something you know nothing about. You are projecting your thoughts and ideas about death row; not the inmates nor the CO's. Until you have familiarized yourself with the point of view from both sides you best keep quiet as you prove your ignorance every time you open your mouth. I was once told by a very informed intelligent person that unless you are a CO or an inmate, you will never know nor understand what takes place behind prison walls and how they interact with each other; it is a society the majority of us fail to understand because we don't live it. Thank you this is a very true statement.
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Post by Grey on Dec 19, 2008 13:24:38 GMT -6
There is such a thing called human nature which I believe Andy is referring to here. One does not have to be an expert to understand what happens if you mix A and B. Andy was referring to immaturity, but I can see how you can confuse that with human nature. One also does not have to be an expert to realize that A did not mix with B. A comitted a crime of his/her own doing and thus resulted in A PUTTING themselves in the prison society or aka B.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2008 0:31:25 GMT -6
So you sit here and babble about something you know nothing about. You are projecting your thoughts and ideas about death row; not the inmates nor the CO's. Until you have familiarized yourself with the point of view from both sides you best keep quiet as you prove your ignorance every time you open your mouth. I was once told by a very informed intelligent person that unless you are a CO or an inmate, you will never know nor understand what takes place behind prison walls and how they interact with each other; it is a society the majority of us fail to understand because we don't live it. Thank you this is a very true statement. You're welcome.
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Post by Moonbeam on Dec 20, 2008 0:50:51 GMT -6
No Maxine i just meant they know they have nothing to lose. Have you ever thought of the mischief you would get up to if you were to die tomorrow? Well it's the same with these guys. You know this how? You're presuming without any knowledge, you're not stating it's what you think, you're trying to present it as fact as you always do, even if you have no clue of the subject. I would say a CO, like anyone else has a personal view on any subject including their job. It would only be unprofessional if they allowed it to affect their judgement. What are you suggesting, that only those sympathetic towards death row inmates should work on deathrow? Edited FYI - Professionalism = recognising one's own bias and not allowing it to affect work and judgement.
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Post by me1 on Dec 20, 2008 16:42:09 GMT -6
I don't know. It's my view.
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Post by D.E.E. on Dec 20, 2008 19:08:24 GMT -6
I don't know. It's my view. Tell me how one does not have a view on something they see every day? You have avoided answering that so tell me how does that work? Note: A view on something may be negative or positive.
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Post by Grey on Dec 20, 2008 20:35:44 GMT -6
Hey D.E.E. I have a question for you, do COs have to perform life saving techniques such as CPR to inmates who try to kill themselves? I'm not too sure if COs are obligated by job or not? Thanks.
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Post by D.E.E. on Dec 20, 2008 20:53:39 GMT -6
Hey D.E.E. I have a question for you, do COs have to perform life saving techniques such as CPR to inmates who try to kill themselves? I'm not too sure if COs are obligated by job or not? Thanks. Not all CO's are CPR trained, we all have simple first aid training but no CPR training. We are obligated to try and save their life to the best of our training. Not sure this really answers your question, but it is the best I can do. We (for the most part) do not have the training or equipment to do CPR or even the right tools to cut a inmate down who has hung himself, that would mean having something like a knife on the cell block and that is not allowed either the 911 tool (instrument used to cut them down) is locked up in the Sgt's office and only they can access it.
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Post by Grey on Dec 20, 2008 20:56:06 GMT -6
Hey D.E.E. I have a question for you, do COs have to perform life saving techniques such as CPR to inmates who try to kill themselves? I'm not too sure if COs are obligated by job or not? Thanks. Not all CO's are CPR trained, we all have simple first aid training but no CPR training. We are obligated to try and save their life to the best of our training. Not sure this really answers your question, but it is the best I can do. We (for the most part) do not have the training or equipment to do CPR or even the right tools to cut a inmate down who has hung himself, that would mean having something like a knife on the cell block and that is not allowed either the 911 tool (instrument used to cut them down) is locked up in the Sgt's office and only they can access it. Yeah it does thanks.
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Post by me1 on Dec 21, 2008 15:21:00 GMT -6
I don't know. It's my view. Tell me how one does not have a view on something they see every day? You have avoided answering that so tell me how does that work? Note: A view on something may be negative or positive. Of course you will have a view but you keep it to yourself. I may be wrong but i believe you have come on here saying really nasty stuff about the inmates. Not sure about you but i know full well other CO members have. Thats what i meant by unproffesional.
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Post by Moonbeam on Dec 21, 2008 16:00:06 GMT -6
Tell me how one does not have a view on something they see every day? You have avoided answering that so tell me how does that work? Note: A view on something may be negative or positive. Of course you will have a view but you keep it to yourself. I may be wrong but i believe you have come on here saying really nasty stuff about the inmates. Not sure about you but i know full well other CO members have. Thats what i meant by unproffesional. Like anyone else Andy they're entitled to their personal opinions. It would only be unprofessional if it affected their work, I'm sure they don't allow it to do that.
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Post by Grey on Dec 21, 2008 16:42:33 GMT -6
Tell me how one does not have a view on something they see every day? You have avoided answering that so tell me how does that work? Note: A view on something may be negative or positive. Of course you will have a view but you keep it to yourself. I may be wrong but i believe you have come on here saying really nasty stuff about the inmates. Not sure about you but i know full well other CO members have. Thats what i meant by unproffesional. Talking bad about inmates is unprofessional PLEASE people talk bad about anyone in any job. I'm not sure why talking nasty about inamtes is such a big deal, inmates are nasty to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2008 17:38:03 GMT -6
Hey D.E.E. I have a question for you, do COs have to perform life saving techniques such as CPR to inmates who try to kill themselves? I'm not too sure if COs are obligated by job or not? Thanks. Hi andie,I was watching lockup at holman alabama & warden culliver was talking about the co/s are obligated to preserve lives & break up fights to the best of there abilities if that helps
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Post by Tim S on Dec 22, 2008 1:38:34 GMT -6
There is such a thing called human nature which I believe Andy is referring to here. One does not have to be an expert to understand what happens if you mix A and B. If it is human nature then why don't all of the inmates act that way? It is not human nature it is however the nature of some of the criminals to act with violence at every turn, even while yelling how innocent they are. I have a building full of inmates around 475 (Ag Seg) of them are in single cells and another 400 in double cells (Close Custody) most have been there for years. Out of that 475 only about 30 act out on a regular basis and are refered to as "Crash Dummies" by the other inmates. If it was human nature why doesn't the other 445 act the same way? I see it as excuse making for them when you say it is human nature. No it's called a fact. Saying that if you mix a with b then the result may well be c is not making an excuse. The fact that it does not always happen makes it all the more interesting.
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Post by Grey on Dec 22, 2008 10:50:04 GMT -6
If it is human nature then why don't all of the inmates act that way? It is not human nature it is however the nature of some of the criminals to act with violence at every turn, even while yelling how innocent they are. I have a building full of inmates around 475 (Ag Seg) of them are in single cells and another 400 in double cells (Close Custody) most have been there for years. Out of that 475 only about 30 act out on a regular basis and are refered to as "Crash Dummies" by the other inmates. If it was human nature why doesn't the other 445 act the same way? I see it as excuse making for them when you say it is human nature. No it's called a fact. Saying that if you mix a with b then the result may well be c is not making an excuse. The fact that it does not always happen makes it all the more interesting. And again you keep reffering to mixing, when A put themselves in that situation (B), thats not mixing, that is called a sentence.
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Post by D.E.E. on Dec 22, 2008 20:54:51 GMT -6
Tell me how one does not have a view on something they see every day? You have avoided answering that so tell me how does that work? Note: A view on something may be negative or positive. Of course you will have a view but you keep it to yourself. I may be wrong but i believe you have come on here saying really nasty stuff about the inmates. Not sure about you but i know full well other CO members have. Thats what i meant by unproffesional. What a dip Shyt you are. I am free to give my views on any subject including scum bag criminals. I am not free to act on those views or to let them influence me while I am at work. That is what professional's can do, but then you have no real idea about what professionals do, do you.
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Post by D.E.E. on Dec 22, 2008 20:58:53 GMT -6
If it is human nature then why don't all of the inmates act that way? It is not human nature it is however the nature of some of the criminals to act with violence at every turn, even while yelling how innocent they are. I have a building full of inmates around 475 (Ag Seg) of them are in single cells and another 400 in double cells (Close Custody) most have been there for years. Out of that 475 only about 30 act out on a regular basis and are refered to as "Crash Dummies" by the other inmates. If it was human nature why doesn't the other 445 act the same way? I see it as excuse making for them when you say it is human nature. No it's called a fact. Saying that if you mix a with b then the result may well be c is not making an excuse. The fact that it does not always happen makes it all the more interesting. You keep saying it is a fact but the stats say differently. Why is it only a very small number that does these things if it is indeed a fact as you claim it is. Calling it a fact is what gives them the feeling that it is ok to do it. If it is a fact you should be able to provide some sort of documentation proving your fact, otherwise it is just the way you feel. It is not that it does not always happen, it is that it is only a few that do it. So the evidence is against you.
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Post by Lauren on Dec 22, 2008 22:26:20 GMT -6
No it's called a fact. Saying that if you mix a with b then the result may well be c is not making an excuse. The fact that it does not always happen makes it all the more interesting. You keep saying it is a fact but the stats say differently. Why is it only a very small number that does these things if it is indeed a fact as you claim it is. Calling it a fact is what gives them the feeling that it is ok to do it. If it is a fact you should be able to provide some sort of documentation proving your fact, otherwise it is just the way you feel. It is not that it does not always happen, it is that it is only a few that do it. So the evidence is against you. I have to agree with D.E.E. If it was human nature, then we would all act like that, however since the majority of us don't commit crimes, it's their nature that makes them more violent. The definition of insanity is repeating the same task over and over again, hoping to get a different result each time. Some people accept they are screwed, others can't. That's what makes them act out.
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Post by me1 on Dec 26, 2008 5:29:14 GMT -6
Of course you will have a view but you keep it to yourself. I may be wrong but i believe you have come on here saying really nasty stuff about the inmates. Not sure about you but i know full well other CO members have. Thats what i meant by unproffesional. What a dip Shyt you are. I am free to give my views on any subject including scum bag criminals. I am not free to act on those views or to let them influence me while I am at work. That is what professional's can do, but then you have no real idea about what professionals do, do you. I think this is a mix up with how different countries do things. Over here a prison officer is supposed to be impartial. You certainly would'nt last long if you considered the people you dealt with "scumbag criminals" and openly stated it.
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Post by mike5 on Dec 26, 2008 8:00:15 GMT -6
I think this is a mix up with how different countries do things. Over here a prison officer is supposed to be impartial. You certainly would'nt last long if you considered the people you dealt with "scumbag criminals" and openly stated it. In your country, guards are ordered to serve tea to prisoners and to be friends to serial killers/rapists of little girls. How is that being impartial?
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Post by D.E.E. on Dec 26, 2008 10:27:00 GMT -6
What a dip Shyt you are. I am free to give my views on any subject including scum bag criminals. I am not free to act on those views or to let them influence me while I am at work. That is what professional's can do, but then you have no real idea about what professionals do, do you. I think this is a mix up with how different countries do things. Over here a prison officer is supposed to be impartial. You certainly would'nt last long if you considered the people you dealt with "scumbag criminals" and openly stated it. I do not think it is a mix up, in my country I am required to be impartial on how I treat them not how I view them, and since I am free to state my view I do. Are you trying to tell me that your officers have no view on them, or is it just they are not allowed to state that view? BTW there was a mix up I thought I was replying to Andy, I would not have called you a dip shyt or said you do not know about professionalism otherwise. Sorry about that.
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Post by me1 on Dec 26, 2008 10:54:02 GMT -6
I think this is a mix up with how different countries do things. Over here a prison officer is supposed to be impartial. You certainly would'nt last long if you considered the people you dealt with "scumbag criminals" and openly stated it. In your country, guards are ordered to serve tea to prisoners and to be friends to serial killers/rapists of little girls. How is that being impartial? since when do they serve tea?
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Post by mike5 on Dec 26, 2008 12:23:02 GMT -6
In your country, guards are ordered to serve tea to prisoners and to be friends to serial killers/rapists of little girls. How is that being impartial? since when do they serve tea? I don't know. I read it in a British paper a couple of months ago.
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Post by mel77 on Dec 26, 2008 13:37:59 GMT -6
I think this is a mix up with how different countries do things. Over here a prison officer is supposed to be impartial. You certainly would'nt last long if you considered the people you dealt with "scumbag criminals" and openly stated it. I do not think it is a mix up, in my country I am required to be impartial on how I treat them not how I view them, and since I am free to state my view I do. Are you trying to tell me that your officers have no view on them, or is it just they are not allowed to state that view? BTW there was a mix up I thought I was replying to Andy, I would not have called you a dip shyt or said you do not know about professionalism otherwise. Sorry about that. So you don't go by what people post but rather whether they are a particular poster or not. It is Andy, by the way.
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Post by me1 on Dec 26, 2008 14:22:03 GMT -6
I think this is a mix up with how different countries do things. Over here a prison officer is supposed to be impartial. You certainly would'nt last long if you considered the people you dealt with "scumbag criminals" and openly stated it. I do not think it is a mix up, in my country I am required to be impartial on how I treat them not how I view them, and since I am free to state my view I do. Are you trying to tell me that your officers have no view on them, or is it just they are not allowed to state that view? BTW there was a mix up I thought I was replying to Andy, I would not have called you a dip shyt or said you do not know about professionalism otherwise. Sorry about that. Then my cunning plan of a name change worked?! Just takes something so simple to change so much eh? I think you can say what you like as long as nobody important hears you. Some officer over here was disciplined just for calling the alcoholic annonymous group ( who were prison inmates ) "alchies"!
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Post by me1 on Dec 26, 2008 14:23:04 GMT -6
since when do they serve tea? I don't know. I read it in a British paper a couple of months ago. Don't believe everything you read in the papers.
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Post by mike5 on Dec 26, 2008 14:44:38 GMT -6
I don't know. I read it in a British paper a couple of months ago. Don't believe everything you read in the papers. I don't. However, when an article discusses attorneys going to court, the court issuing an order to those overseeing the prisons, who then issue an order to the correctional officers, who then complain about it, I see no reason to question it. My main concern was about officer safety and not about coddling prisoners.
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