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Post by Lotus Flower on Jan 6, 2009 14:43:53 GMT -6
No I am not excusing him because at times his behaviour was appaling to say the least. Just tired with those who believe that they own the moral high ground. And notice that the pack sank as low as he did in their urge to prove how saintly they are. 1. We are taking your complaint under advisement. 2. We promise to do everything in our power to rectify the problem. 3. We hope and pray that someday we can live up to your expectations. Now, will you just shut up about Andy? Lotus (reformed and properly chastised): Whilst I believe the vermon was repellant, I shiver to think what I may, might, perchance do in his shoes. OH THE FOLLY OF THE LOST! Care for some tea and crumpets and then we shall refrain to the kitchen to cook away our foulesh diatribes! Andy was a fuktard.
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Post by Tim S on Jan 6, 2009 14:44:02 GMT -6
And if anyone care to look at the list of the latest members I think I can say " he's back"
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Post by Lotus Flower on Jan 6, 2009 14:46:35 GMT -6
And if anyone care to look at the list of the latest members I think I can say " he's back" black Fixed. ;D That's for the Honest Anti.
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Post by gillypod on Jan 6, 2009 14:55:06 GMT -6
And if anyone care to look at the list of the latest members I think I can say " he's back" No. Way. I am sure when a member is banned the moderators take note of the IP and ban that too. Unless he has changed his ISP and his computer he will not be able to come back. Calling one of the moderators a Cee U Next Tuesday was a pretty stupid idea. There were times he wrote stuff without putting his brain into gear, and for that he made terrible mistakes. This is a public forum which makes no secret of where its bias lies in respect of the DP. If you do not agree with the views of the majority of the members who post here, then why join in the first place. There are too many trusted members of this board who will never allow their views and their beliefs to be belittled by anyone no matter what the cause. And I include myself in that majority
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Post by Lotus Flower on Jan 6, 2009 15:02:19 GMT -6
I am sure when a member is banned the moderators take note of the IP and ban that too. Unless he has changed his ISP and his computer he will not be able to come back. Calling one of the moderators a Cee U Next Tuesday was a pretty stupid idea. There were times he wrote stuff without putting his brain into gear, and for that he made terrible mistakes. This is a public forum which makes no secret of where its bias lies in respect of the DP. If you do not agree with the views of the majority of the members who post here, then why join in the first place. There are too many trusted members of this board who will never allow their views and their beliefs to be belittled by anyone no matter what the cause. And I include myself in that majority HEY MODS... Can we add this ^^^^^^^^^ to the Terms of Service? I vote yay. Well said, gilly (even if it never makes the TOS). It has a certain STFU about it that I personally like, no muss no fuss. ;D
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Post by gillypod on Jan 6, 2009 15:07:37 GMT -6
Why thank you kind maiden
As an aside, I used to have a pair of bats in the attic of my last house. Under UK law I could do nothing to get rid of them, although every few months I had to get the attic cleaned or it could smell a bit ;D
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 6, 2009 15:21:50 GMT -6
I dont expect you to understand it Tim, nor the rationale for the decisions teams like ours come to, if you did you'd kind of be an exception to the general rule in the general population that does not haqve to conduct such specialist assessments in the first place. You make the statement that what i write is populistic shyte, but you do not evidence that in any way that I could clinically see reasons for the conclusion you come to other than "its the way you read it". What exactly is that supoposed to mean? there is a reason soem are considered qualified to decide what is mental illness and what is not, and its not neccessarily a bad thing to begin with the assumption nobody is ill until it is well proven, I suppose you'd throw the label ay anything and anyone you did'nt understand? I could not care less if you work within mental illness or not...however by what you at times write I doubt that you have a high up posistion as you wish us to believe. However what does get me annoyed is when people ridicule another person in this case Andy for his drug addiction which you nkow f.all about. You have as far as I understand no education in drug abuse because your ridiculing of him proved that. So prove me wrong. Again Tim other than saying I work in the field I have never said in which exact role or position. Regarding Andy its his attitude that I do throw ridicula on. He made out he was "fragile of mind", and frankly that is a load of BS, another feeble excuse he wanted others to collude with. My position remains the same, choose to self destruct by all means if you want to, but do not inaccurately and deceitfully try to kid yourself into thinking you're incapable of making choice and life changing ones at that. Perhaps the real difference between us is that you view addicts as somehow less capable than the rest of us and I view them as equally capable. Which view is the real insult? You know where I stand.
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 6, 2009 15:27:09 GMT -6
TimS, Mental Illness to me is a little bit of a complex issue, i profess to know sod all about it other then what i have read or what i have watched in documentaries and alike. What i have got is a bloody good memory so please bare with me as i am 4th word dyslexic/ whatever my doctor means by that so forgive the spelling. Mentil illness in braod terms and keeping it simplistic is an inclusive term, what i mean by that is this, it is generally denoting one or all of the following. The problem Tim has is that he apparently buys into the notion that drug addiction is a mental illness. It's not. It's like I heard a shrink once tell a patient at a hospital where I was employed: "Look, son, being an *%#*@* is not a mental illness, and you're not mentally ill. Figure it out." God, I loved that guy. Exactly, Tim is like the man in the pub who looks at abnoxious drinker in a wheelchair and because he views him as a lesser man, feels sorry for him, whilst others look at him and see an arsewhole. I do not see nor sum up andy in terms of his addiction and thats why I would never collude with his or your shyte tim. He is as capable as you or I and that has always to be the starting assumption in any assessment of any person. Try to see past the addiction, its his *deleted* personality that needs changing before anything external manifestation or symptom of that will change also.
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Post by Californian on Jan 6, 2009 15:28:05 GMT -6
Just tired with those who believe that they own the moral high ground. You Swedish meatball. Let me explain something to you: Hardly anyone here would need to be on any sort of "moral high ground" to beat out ol' Andy. As a matter of fact, a fairly low position on the moral ground would sink him like a stone. The majority of people here go to work every day (or have a mate who does while they raise children and make a home) to garner income to make a life. Lotus has a law degree; Bull rides herd on the scum of society we've found it necessary to lock up. And, of course, some are retired old farts like me. Two of us (PhatCat and Pip) have recenty spent tens of thousands of dollars to prepare themselves for their chosen careers. Some, like Claire, are single parents and work every day to support their children. Now let's contrast this with Andy's life. Instead of manning up and working to support his children, he chose instead to stick a needleful of dope in his arm a couple of times a day. Worse, he doesn't even work for the money for his drugs; the taxpayers support him because some insane social system has decided the result of his actions are that he became "disabled." In addition to that, to try to prevent him from becoming a thief to support his habit, as addicts always do, the taxpayers provide him with free drugs in the hope that he won't steal much. Now, Mr. "I don't want to be judgmental," exactly where on the "moral ground" playing field do you think a person has to be to be above that performance?
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Post by gillypod on Jan 6, 2009 15:28:19 GMT -6
I could not care less if you work within mental illness or not...however by what you at times write I doubt that you have a high up posistion as you wish us to believe. However what does get me annoyed is when people ridicule another person in this case Andy for his drug addiction which you nkow f.all about. You have as far as I understand no education in drug abuse because your ridiculing of him proved that. So prove me wrong. Again Tim other than saying I work in the field I have never said in which exact role or position. Regarding Andy its his attitude that I do throw ridicula on. He made out he was "fragile of mind", and frankly that is a load of BS, another feeble excuse he wanted others to collude with. My position remains the same, choose to self destruct by all means if you want to, but do not inaccurately and deceitfully try to kid yourself into thinking you're incapable of making choice and life changing ones at that. Perhaps the real difference between us is that you view addicts as somehow less capable than the rest of us and I view them as equally capable. Which view is the real insult? You know where I stand. TimS, why are so obsessed with just what Felix does for a living? Do you want to know what I do too? Let it go Tim, for goodness sake - your hounding of Felix is becoming boring and bordering on the ewwwww. Felix and I have had 'discussions' in the past, but I have never doubted his integrity and his dedication to his profession. As I have already said - LET IT GO.
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 6, 2009 15:29:46 GMT -6
1. We are taking your complaint under advisement. 2. We promise to do everything in our power to rectify the problem. 3. We hope and pray that someday we can live up to your expectations. Now, will you just shut up about Andy? NO! And anyway its up to you to read my posts!! And just where is that " Honest Anti " coz he's next. Bring it on batman!
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Post by Tim S on Jan 6, 2009 15:43:04 GMT -6
Just tired with those who believe that they own the moral high ground. You Swedish meatball. Let me explain something to you: Hardly anyone here would need to be on any sort of "moral high ground" to beat out ol' Andy. As a matter of fact, a fairly low position on the moral ground would sink him like a stone. The majority of people here go to work every day (or have a mate who does while they raise children and make a home) to garner income to make a life. Lotus has a law degree; Bull rides herd on the scum of society we've found it necessary to lock up. And, of course, some are retired old farts like me. Two of us (PhatCat and Pip) have recenty spent tens of thousands of dollars to prepare themselves for their chosen careers. Some, like Claire, are single parents and work every day to support their children. Now let's contrast this with Andy's life. Instead of manning up and working to support his children, he chose instead to stick a needleful of dope in his arm a couple of times a day. Worse, he doesn't even work for the money for his drugs; the taxpayers support him because some insane social system has decided the result of his actions are that he became "disabled." In addition to that, to try to prevent him from becoming a thief to support his habit, as addicts always do, the taxpayers provide him with free drugs in the hope that he won't steal much. Now, Mr. "I don't want to be judgmental," exactly where on the "moral ground" playing field do you think a person has to be to be above that performance? You American Redneck you..Thats just what i mean about the moral high ground. Thank you.
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Post by Tim S on Jan 6, 2009 15:45:55 GMT -6
Again Tim other than saying I work in the field I have never said in which exact role or position. Regarding Andy its his attitude that I do throw ridicula on. He made out he was "fragile of mind", and frankly that is a load of BS, another feeble excuse he wanted others to collude with. My position remains the same, choose to self destruct by all means if you want to, but do not inaccurately and deceitfully try to kid yourself into thinking you're incapable of making choice and life changing ones at that. Perhaps the real difference between us is that you view addicts as somehow less capable than the rest of us and I view them as equally capable. Which view is the real insult? You know where I stand. TimS, why are so obsessed with just what Felix does for a living? Do you want to know what I do too? Let it go Tim, for goodness sake - your hounding of Felix is becoming boring and bordering on the ewwwww. Felix and I have had 'discussions' in the past, but I have never doubted his integrity and his dedication to his profession. As I have already said - LET IT GO. Hounding Felix!! Me. You meen I would be nasty to the honest anti. Shame on you.
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Post by Tim S on Jan 6, 2009 15:49:36 GMT -6
NO! And anyway its up to you to read my posts!! And just where is that " Honest Anti " coz he's next. Bring it on batman! Look Robin much as I like you in that rubber suite with built in codpiece..I am going to bed. And no I will not be dreaming about you. And tomorow I have a shitty day transporting a person from detox to a 12 step program. And yes I admit I do feel that this one needs a kick in the arse.
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 6, 2009 15:52:52 GMT -6
You are a qualified psychiatric nurse? Tell me Tim, what do you in your opinion think constitutes a severe and enduring Mental illness? Eeeeerrrrrr one that won't go away? sic Hey I'm the nurse you are the qualified guy who gets into brawls with your quack buddies. Which amounts to ducking my question, please reassure me that as a qualified psychiatric nurse that you can distinguish between an individual who makes the choice to use illegal drugs and a person with a serious MI? You said to Lotus or Lisa I was next, well go ahead, I wont run or duck your questions provided they are not personal in a way that could identify me on a public board. You can start by answering the question I have now asked you twice. I'll give you a clue, look through Cali's posts on the subject.
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 6, 2009 15:55:36 GMT -6
Look Robin much as I like you in that rubber suite with built in codpiece..I am going to bed. And no I will not be dreaming about you. And tomorow I have a shitty day transporting a person from detox to a 12 step program. And yes I admit I do feel that this one needs a kick in the arse. On your way to the unit why not drop by the local mental health team and ask the psychiatric team to assess him. Watch the psychitrist tell him to fook off away, but watch and listen carefully, all of us use a kind of kindly code to say it directly to the poor little loosers so we dont break their hearts!
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Post by gillypod on Jan 6, 2009 15:56:12 GMT -6
Eeeeerrrrrr one that won't go away? sic Hey I'm the nurse you are the qualified guy who gets into brawls with your quack buddies. Which amounts to ducking my question, please reassure me that as a qualified psychiatric nurse that you can distinguish between an individual who makes the choice to use illegal drugs and a person with a serious MI? You said to Lotus or Lisa I was next, well go ahead, I wont run or duck your questions provided they are not personal in a way that could identify me on a public board. You can start by answering the question I have now asked you twice. I'll give you a clue, look through Cali's posts on the subject. FIGHT...FIGHT....FIGHT.....FIGHT.... Can I hold the coats?
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 6, 2009 15:56:28 GMT -6
Look Robin much as I like you in that rubber suite with built in codpiece..I am going to bed. And no I will not be dreaming about you. And tomorow I have a shitty day transporting a person from detox to a 12 step program. And yes I admit I do feel that this one needs a kick in the arse. Whats holding ya back? Deliberately witholding a much needed treatment is a far worse professional behaviour than any of mine here. By the way Tim, not all psychiatrists are bar brawlers, but the two I have in mind are, but then again they are innovators within their professions, they stand head and shoulders above their other colleagues because both are innovators and not afraid to say whats on their minds. Much like the psychiatrist Cali mentioned earlier, sometimes the best theraputic input you can get from either a professional or a friend is for them to stand in front of you and tell you squarely to your face the dead opposite of what you might like to hear. Thats a mark of true friendship or therapy in my view and i have seen it help folk turn their lives around.
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Post by Felix2 on Jan 6, 2009 16:02:54 GMT -6
Which amounts to ducking my question, please reassure me that as a qualified psychiatric nurse that you can distinguish between an individual who makes the choice to use illegal drugs and a person with a serious MI? You said to Lotus or Lisa I was next, well go ahead, I wont run or duck your questions provided they are not personal in a way that could identify me on a public board. You can start by answering the question I have now asked you twice. I'll give you a clue, look through Cali's posts on the subject. FIGHT...FIGHT....FIGHT.....FIGHT.... Can I hold the coats? I dotn wear one but the other pusi is probably wearing a fur one, he sounds delicate!
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Post by ltdc on Jan 6, 2009 16:03:54 GMT -6
he doesn't wind me up, but he's apparently got you by a ring in the nose this is one of the mistakes our "enlightened" society keeps making, assuming I have to tolerate a boor because he/she/it has a "self induced" problem. yeah, I've got mine, I deal with them, and don't blame them on you. I too am in the "behaviour" business, and seldom listen to words, but watch behaviour for the truth. it seldom lies. you should try it. if you can get past the tolerance/accepting/diversity polictically correct BS, you'll see it. Excellent post, ltdc. Words are only words. thank you. no secret really. if you've raised kids, you know how true it is.
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Post by gillypod on Jan 6, 2009 16:04:29 GMT -6
FIGHT...FIGHT....FIGHT.....FIGHT.... Can I hold the coats? I dotn wear one but the other pusi is probably wearing a fur one, he sounds delicate! We Brits will stick together, and I thought your comment was hilarious
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Post by ltdc on Jan 6, 2009 16:06:19 GMT -6
he doesn't wind me up, but he's apparently got you by a ring in the nose this is one of the mistakes our "enlightened" society keeps making, assuming I have to tolerate a boor because he/she/it has a "self induced" problem. yeah, I've got mine, I deal with them, and don't blame them on you. I too am in the "behaviour" business, and seldom listen to words, but watch behaviour for the truth. it seldom lies. you should try it. if you can get past the tolerance/accepting/diversity polictically correct BS, you'll see it. The guy should be admired because he got so many to show their true colours. Andy, does this Tim character know you're pretending to be him??
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Post by Grey on Jan 6, 2009 16:26:56 GMT -6
You Swedish meatball. Let me explain something to you: Hardly anyone here would need to be on any sort of "moral high ground" to beat out ol' Andy. As a matter of fact, a fairly low position on the moral ground would sink him like a stone. The majority of people here go to work every day (or have a mate who does while they raise children and make a home) to garner income to make a life. Lotus has a law degree; Bull rides herd on the scum of society we've found it necessary to lock up. And, of course, some are retired old farts like me. Two of us (PhatCat and Pip) have recenty spent tens of thousands of dollars to prepare themselves for their chosen careers. Some, like Claire, are single parents and work every day to support their children. Now let's contrast this with Andy's life. Instead of manning up and working to support his children, he chose instead to stick a needleful of dope in his arm a couple of times a day. Worse, he doesn't even work for the money for his drugs; the taxpayers support him because some insane social system has decided the result of his actions are that he became "disabled." In addition to that, to try to prevent him from becoming a thief to support his habit, as addicts always do, the taxpayers provide him with free drugs in the hope that he won't steal much. Now, Mr. "I don't want to be judgmental," exactly where on the "moral ground" playing field do you think a person has to be to be above that performance? You American Redneck you..Thats just what i mean about the moral high ground. Thank you. So apparently you think that people who are trying to better themselves and their families are bad stuck up or prude, and the people who comit fraud and partake in illegal drug use are good or deserving of our sympathy? WOW.
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Post by ltdc on Jan 6, 2009 17:12:07 GMT -6
No I am not excusing him because at times his behaviour was appaling to say the least. Just tired with those who believe that they own the moral high ground. And notice that the pack sank as low as he did in their urge to prove how saintly they are. P.S. Andy was a fuktard. actually he was a lazy fuktard, but I guess that would be judgemental, huh?
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Post by wrench on Jan 6, 2009 20:04:33 GMT -6
i see andy, opps , i mean tim, has had a long day. i hope he sleeps well tonight.
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Post by Stormyweather on Jan 6, 2009 20:19:10 GMT -6
You Swedish meatball. Let me explain something to you: Hardly anyone here would need to be on any sort of "moral high ground" to beat out ol' Andy. As a matter of fact, a fairly low position on the moral ground would sink him like a stone. The majority of people here go to work every day (or have a mate who does while they raise children and make a home) to garner income to make a life. Lotus has a law degree; Bull rides herd on the scum of society we've found it necessary to lock up. And, of course, some are retired old farts like me. Two of us (PhatCat and Pip) have recenty spent tens of thousands of dollars to prepare themselves for their chosen careers. Some, like Claire, are single parents and work every day to support their children. Now let's contrast this with Andy's life. Instead of manning up and working to support his children, he chose instead to stick a needleful of dope in his arm a couple of times a day. Worse, he doesn't even work for the money for his drugs; the taxpayers support him because some insane social system has decided the result of his actions are that he became "disabled." In addition to that, to try to prevent him from becoming a thief to support his habit, as addicts always do, the taxpayers provide him with free drugs in the hope that he won't steal much. Now, Mr. "I don't want to be judgmental," exactly where on the "moral ground" playing field do you think a person has to be to be above that performance? You American Redneck you..Thats just what i mean about the moral high ground. Thank you.
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