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Post by rocky1 on Oct 15, 2015 12:20:51 GMT -6
Patience Benard, I work for a living. Let's savor this, shall we! But you just stated you didn't have a position? Hmm, you sound very ADP here? Or did you lie again? Let's start with the overall facts, I'll give you the 12 cases when I want to, you don't demand anything from me. The ADP claim only about 1% of murderers murder again when released, is that your position, please don't say you don't have a position, I don't like liars, no one does. So be honest, your adamant ADP.
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Post by rocky1 on Oct 15, 2015 12:31:06 GMT -6
OMG Benard, in order to a murderer off, a person many believe was guilty, the innocence project framed another guy, sorry, that not ok, and the founder of the innocent project did it. It's illegal and a travesty, and shows the depth the innocence project will go to get a murderer off, often on technicalities not on whether the scumbag committed the crime. It's wrong -Period? ?
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Post by bernard on Oct 15, 2015 12:57:48 GMT -6
Patience Benard, I work for a living. Let's savor this, shall we! But you just stated you didn't have a position? Hmm, you sound very ADP here? Or did you lie again? Let's start with the overall facts, I'll give you the 12 cases when I want to, you don't demand anything from me. The ADP claim only about 1% of murderers murder again when released, is that your position, please don't say you don't have a position, I don't like liars, no one does. So be honest, your adamant ADP. I am anti-dp. That doesn't mean I have a "position" on whether the innocence project released 12 people who went on to kill again. Nor does it mean I have a position on whether only 1% of murderers murder again when released. These are matters of fact, not opinion, on which I am happy to be educated by an honest interlocutor like yourself.
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Post by bernard on Oct 15, 2015 12:58:49 GMT -6
OMG Benard, in order to a murderer off, a person many believe was guilty, the innocence project framed another guy, Has this been proven? I agree. If they did that, then that is wrong.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 15, 2015 13:08:43 GMT -6
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 15, 2015 17:21:10 GMT -6
Patience Benard, I work for a living. Let's savor this, shall we! But you just stated you didn't have a position? Hmm, you sound very ADP here? Or did you lie again? Let's start with the overall facts, I'll give you the 12 cases when I want to, you don't demand anything from me. The ADP claim only about 1% of murderers murder again when released, is that your position, please don't say you don't have a position, I don't like liars, no one does. So be honest, your adamant ADP. Well - until you provide citations, don't expect to be taken seriously. I could say you were a horse, and that would be just as true as your statement about the 12 cases.
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Post by Californian on Oct 15, 2015 19:11:31 GMT -6
Double post, sorry.
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Post by Californian on Oct 15, 2015 19:15:40 GMT -6
But in fact, many of us DO know, professor.
And no compelling interest? I'm not so sure. For instance, are you posting here during time you're being paid by the people of the State of California?
Why the secrecy?
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Post by bernard on Oct 15, 2015 22:40:10 GMT -6
If Porter was innocent, it's possible for the system to make serious mistakes. Abolish the DP. If Simon was framed, it's possible for the system to make serious mistakes. Abolish the DP. Either way, you lose.
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Post by bernard on Oct 15, 2015 22:47:57 GMT -6
But in fact, many of us DO know, professor. And no compelling interest? I'm not so sure. For instance, are you posting here during time you're being paid by the people of the State of California? Why the secrecy? I love the fact that you're so impressed with yourself. Still, you win the prize. Where shall I send the large ham and mushroom? You still on Victoria?
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Post by Californian on Oct 15, 2015 23:17:16 GMT -6
{snicker!} Look who's talking.
Uh, no. Not for years. Google skills slipping, Bernie?
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 16, 2015 3:50:38 GMT -6
If Porter was innocent, it's possible for the system to make serious mistakes. Abolish the DP. If Simon was framed, it's possible for the system to make serious mistakes. Abolish the DP. Either way, you lose. Either way' exonerate, parole, escape, technicality, inside the walls for murder, murders while inside , ( As my links factually show.) System makes serious mistakes, many innocent murdered again. You lose. Never abolish the DP
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 12:00:34 GMT -6
If Porter was innocent, it's possible for the system to make serious mistakes. Abolish the DP. If Simon was framed, it's possible for the system to make serious mistakes. Abolish the DP. Either way, you lose. Let's see if I can understand this. Porter was innocent or at least got out of jail free because of a professor and a bunch of his students that lied, manipulated and did whatever they could to get him off. Even framed Simon. OH!! I get it now.. Tell the lies to save a POS, then bytch about the way that Simon was framed. Therefore, either way the DP should be abolished. Like I said before... Create a situation, bytch about the situation that you created to get your way. Sounds like many antis are no better than the criminals they want to save. At least that is way I saw it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 12:06:21 GMT -6
Patience Benard, I work for a living. Let's savor this, shall we! But you just stated you didn't have a position? Hmm, you sound very ADP here? Or did you lie again? Let's start with the overall facts, I'll give you the 12 cases when I want to, you don't demand anything from me. The ADP claim only about 1% of murderers murder again when released, is that your position, please don't say you don't have a position, I don't like liars, no one does. So be honest, your adamant ADP. Well - until you provide citations, don't expect to be taken seriously. I could say you were a horse, and that would be just as true as your statement about the 12 cases. Fugly, why don't you supply proof of your dearly beloved? provide citations please.. That's right you don't have any. Therefore, no one take fugly the scumpal seriously. Btw, rocky did say to give him some time. Let's see we have given you like 4 years and still nothing. Like I said no one take fugly seriously, My bad it's been 5 years.
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Post by fuglyville on Oct 16, 2015 17:54:16 GMT -6
Well - until you provide citations, don't expect to be taken seriously. I could say you were a horse, and that would be just as true as your statement about the 12 cases. Fugly, why don't you supply proof of your dearly beloved? provide citations please.. That's right you don't have any. Therefore, no one take fugly the scumpal seriously. Btw, rocky did say to give him some time. Let's see we have given you like 4 years and still nothing. Like I said no one take fugly seriously, My bad it's been 5 years. The fact that you still cling to that as Linus to his blanket, says more about you than anything else - and it still doesn't make rocky1's statements any truer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 19:21:28 GMT -6
Fugly, why don't you supply proof of your dearly beloved? provide citations please.. That's right you don't have any. Therefore, no one take fugly the scumpal seriously. Btw, rocky did say to give him some time. Let's see we have given you like 4 years and still nothing. Like I said no one take fugly seriously, My bad it's been 5 years. The fact that you still cling to that as Linus to his blanket, says more about you than anything else - and it still doesn't make rocky1's statements any truer. Fugly, are you trying to shame me? I'm not the one that came here lying. YOU DID. I will always be here to point out that in order to make your case that you will lie and manipulate to do so. Let's see, does this mean you are admitting you lied about being an MVS??? This was a real pathetic admission but hey. Really it took 5 years for you to admit your lies. Imagine how long it would take to get the truth if you were lying for one of your murderers. My point has been proven. The radical antis/scumpals always think that the ends justify the means. Create the situation and then bytch about the situation. Point proven. Btw, you didn't shame me at all. We finally have an admission that you are nothing but a lying scumpal and all I did was tell what I felt was the truth. That's right the one thing scumpals and murderers hate above everything is the TRUTH. Oh yeah, bernard/Matthew, I didn't have to make up any scenario to prove my point. I just waited and waited and look what happens. True story, true outcome.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 16, 2015 20:34:19 GMT -6
[quote source="/post/626603/thread" timestamp="1445018781" author=" The fact that you still cling to that as Linus to his blanket, says more about you than anything else - and it still doesn't make rocky1's statements any truer. [/quote] Shaming tactic, what does Linus & his blanket have to do with it? To divert attention off your citation of claiming to be a MVS? Facts. While stomping your feet for immediate response? You & barney shaming & demand's tactics, actually say's a lot about the two of you. Two of the forums liars (factual) to boot this is coming from?
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Post by bernard on Oct 16, 2015 23:56:49 GMT -6
If Porter was innocent, it's possible for the system to make serious mistakes. Abolish the DP. If Simon was framed, it's possible for the system to make serious mistakes. Abolish the DP. Either way, you lose. Let's see if I can understand this. Porter was innocent or at least got out of jail free because of a professor and a bunch of his students that lied, manipulated and did whatever they could to get him off. Even framed Simon. OH!! I get it now.. Tell the lies to save a POS, then bytch about the way that Simon was framed. Therefore, either way the DP should be abolished. That's correct. If Simon was framed, that proves that people can be framed for murder. It's not just something you see on the TV. Whether he was framed by antis or by ...whoever... doesn't matter. We can't execute people when the system can be so easily fooled by anyone who has half a reason to frame someone. Not much better, at any rate. But that is neither here nor there.
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Post by bernard on Oct 16, 2015 23:57:29 GMT -6
Oh yeah, bernard/Matthew, I didn't have to make up any scenario to prove my point. I just waited and waited and look what happens. True story, true outcome. I am in no position to decide whether fuglyville lied about something 5 years ago. Probably best you leave me out of it.
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Post by bernard on Oct 17, 2015 0:00:07 GMT -6
While stomping your feet for immediate response? You & barney shaming & demand's tactics, actually say's a lot about the two of you. Two of the forums liars (factual) to boot this is coming from? We are having the MOST interesting conversation while we are waiting for those links. Fuglyville is accused of pretending to be an MVS many years ago. You accuse me of being a liar. And I have gotten to know Bob so much better. But where are those links?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 9:01:33 GMT -6
[quote source="/post/626603/thread" timestamp="1445018781" author=" The fact that you still cling to that as Linus to his blanket, says more about you than anything else - and it still doesn't make rocky1's statements any truer. Shaming tactic, what does Linus & his blanket have to do with it? To divert attention off your citation of claiming to be a MVS? Facts. While stomping your feet for immediate response? You & barney shaming & demand's tactics, actually say's a lot about the two of you. Two of the forums liars (factual) to boot this is coming from? [/quote] WD, I'm sorry I think you misunderstood. I don't think that bernard or Matthew ever lied. Matthew would post a scenario that he had come up with and then post but never did he say it was for real. I have not known bernard or Matthew to have lied. Maybe a bit crazy but not a liar.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 17, 2015 9:28:42 GMT -6
While stomping your feet for immediate response? You & barney shaming & demand's tactics, actually say's a lot about the two of you. Two of the forums liars (factual) to boot this is coming from? We are having the MOST interesting conversation while we are waiting for those links. Fuglyville is accused of pretending to be an MVS many years ago. You accuse me of being a liar. And I have gotten to know Bob so much better. But where are those links? Bob ( cali) has always been Cali. As majority of posters here maintain the same screen name. Each name you have used shows a different personality along with it. If you do not lie? You have in postings demanded from me & others a response to you on questions asked, & have diverted around questions asked of you. As Honky as well as your new name. As for your other name that was before me so no clue what role you played then. Not worth my time to check out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 9:35:42 GMT -6
Carry on WD. I was the one that misunderstood you. Sorry again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2015 9:49:50 GMT -6
Let's see if I can understand this. Porter was innocent or at least got out of jail free because of a professor and a bunch of his students that lied, manipulated and did whatever they could to get him off. Even framed Simon. OH!! I get it now.. Tell the lies to save a POS, then bytch about the way that Simon was framed. Therefore, either way the DP should be abolished. That's correct. If Simon was framed, that proves that people can be framed for murder. It's not just something you see on the TV. Whether he was framed by antis or by ...whoever... doesn't matter. We can't execute people when the system can be so easily fooled by anyone who has half a reason to frame someone. Not much better, at any rate. But that is neither here nor there. Let me get this straight. You just admitted it didn't matter if a RADICAL anti framed someone for murder to be executed than the DP should be abolishe. I do not think that any decent moral anti or pro would set anyone up to be executed. You just proved what I have been saying for years. Radical antis would and do hope that an innocent would be executed just so the DP would be abolished. I have also said that they would do whatever it took to achieve this. IOW, they would commit murder to win. NO BETTER THAN THE MURDERERS. Actually the "Life of David Gale" comes to mind. I hated that movie because some of the lesser enlightened treehuggers were sitting around talking(not so intellectually) how this proves that the DP should be abolished. When I told them my point of view about how the movie was based on an innocent that was executed only because the anti fringe had set the whole thing up and then failed to bring forward the evidence to save their hero. They needed David Gale executed to prove their point. The enlightened ones stopped talking for a moment to ponder it BUT went right back to their enlightenment as if no one ever said anything. DUH!! Thank you for proving me right.. I think you are wrong about the DP being abolished. Why should bad behavior be rewarded?? Since they could do this, then they should be brought up on charges and even the DP if they would allow an innocent to be executed.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 17, 2015 10:04:41 GMT -6
Come to think of it, even fuglyville has maintained the same name & personality for a long time now.
"Honky" is a disrespectful term for a white person.
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Post by Californian on Oct 17, 2015 11:34:43 GMT -6
Of course it is. "Name and shame" is as old as Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals."
And I might point out that this is the purpose of this thread, as well.
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Post by Californian on Oct 17, 2015 11:41:37 GMT -6
And I have gotten to know Bob so much better. I've lived a very public life as an elected official, (part-time) professor. Can you say the same? I'm still laughing at your "Honky" persona, when you were (allegedly) a USMC vet, and then identified a picture of a soldier as a Marine. That'd get *your rear* kicked in any Marine Corps barracks there ever was.
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Post by whitediamonds on Oct 17, 2015 13:53:52 GMT -6
[quote source="/post/626608/thread" timestamp="1445049259" author=" But where are those links? . I gave you many links, basic math skill's show the numbers of, how many more innocents were murdered due to mistakes made regarding murderers who get the opportunity to murder yet again. Of course those mistakes or the victims of" does not count in radicals reasoning does it. My links provided how many more were murdered( factually) I even pointed out one who was exonerate, got out & committed murder !!! There are a few simple answers, keep the DP & those who are guilty beyond a doubt of murder should never be released. Those in for murder, murder again inside those wall's, DP. Appeals for a bad childhood at the last minute is nonsense. Your the ones playing with lives.
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Post by bernard on Oct 17, 2015 14:17:54 GMT -6
We are having the MOST interesting conversation while we are waiting for those links. Fuglyville is accused of pretending to be an MVS many years ago. You accuse me of being a liar. And I have gotten to know Bob so much better. But where are those links? Bob ( cali) has always been Cali. As majority of posters here maintain the same screen name. Each name you have used shows a different personality along with it. If you do not lie? Everybody lies. Anyone who claims they don't is a liar. Was Honky a lie? Is Ian Mckellen lying when he pretends he is Gandalf?
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Post by bernard on Oct 17, 2015 14:44:00 GMT -6
That's correct. If Simon was framed, that proves that people can be framed for murder. It's not just something you see on the TV. Whether he was framed by antis or by ...whoever... doesn't matter. We can't execute people when the system can be so easily fooled by anyone who has half a reason to frame someone. Not much better, at any rate. But that is neither here nor there. Let me get this straight. You just admitted it didn't matter if a RADICAL anti framed someone for murder to be executed than the DP should be abolishe. I do not think that any decent moral anti or pro would set anyone up to be executed. It matters in some sense. The anti should go to jail, if that is what he did. But I don't think it affects the conclusion we should draw. If that's what this guy did (which has yet to be proven) then it proves what you have been saying for years. Agreed. That's a good question. It seems like, if we abolish the dp for this, we are giving the bad anti what he wants. Having said that, surely you can see my point too. If it's this easy for an ANTI prof and his students to frame someone, how easy would it be for organized criminals? How can we execute people on the basis of procedure that can be so easily messed with?
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