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Post by myangelvac on Apr 5, 2004 13:51:55 GMT -6
I've actually had this conversation with numerous other people. The way I feel is that there is a big difference between spanking your child and beating your child. If you witness someone beating the he** out of a child in a store because they were misbehaving then chances are pretty good that that is an abused child. On the other hand, if you witness someone just spank their child (and by spank I mean a swat on the butt) then chances are that is not an abused child. Sometimes people do jump the gun but sometimes it's necessary to protect the children. Nothing is considered "to much or not necessary" when a child's well being is questioned. Maybe if the eyes of Laney's family were opened a little wider those boys would still be here today. It's situations were nothing is done to prevent something from happening to a child that we have terrible out comes. Not to mention when we have verdicts like this one to just give future child killers their excuse...whatever it takes to protect the child is what ALWAYS should be done. I don't know how it works in other states but in mine they don't just pull the child out of the house unless abuse is a definite possibility.
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Post by jessika on Apr 5, 2004 14:03:01 GMT -6
I guess it varies with each state. In my state, it takes a lot for the child to be taken out of the home. My son was visiting his father for the summer down south, I live in northern California, and during that three month period, CPS was called out FIVE times for suspected child abuse. Neighbors called on five different occasions. CPS saw the bruises on his back, arms, ears(from being pulled too hard) and they LEFT him in the home. His father and his father's girlfriend said that they would attend parenting classes. THEY LEFT HIM IN THE HOME! He was only five years old. They didn't just leave him in the home once, they left him in the home five times. And they didn't even call me to tell me about it. I had no idea, until one afternoon I finally got a call from CPS stating that my son was in the hospital. He suffered a spiral fracture to his arm and a bruised spine from having his fathers knee digging in his back. FINALLY they removed him from the home. And my lawyer and CPS's only response was, at least he's not dead. So, in the state of California, you have to do something extrememly severe in order for them to be removed from the home. Very true, regarding at least he's not dead, but tell that to a little five year old who's lying in a hospital bed with a broken arm and a bruised spine. It's sickening now a days the lack of protection our children get. And our judicial system.....it sucks. Just as Laney got off, so did my sons father. He was found not guilty on two counts of felony child abuse. It doesn't make any sense to me. I guess it never will.
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Post by TexasLady on Apr 5, 2004 15:02:38 GMT -6
Sometimes people do jump the gun but sometimes it's necessary to protect the children. Nothing is considered "to much or not necessary" when a child's well being is questioned. I would have to disagree. There are people out there who are just plain busybodies and have no idea what they're doing. These people cause more harm than good. Again, think of that poor child being ripped from his family for 3 days. 3 days and stuffed in a children's shelter with no idea why, where his parents were, when (and if) they were coming to get him and whether he'd done something so horrible they just didn't want him any more. 3 days is a long, long time to a child. I wonder how many people who abuse children do so in public. My experience is that abuse pretty much takes place behind closed doors. Deanna Laney never gave any indication she was going to hurt her children and she never hurt them before. There was nothing for those wide open eyes to see. That's the tragedy. Though I do wonder if her husband should have seen some changes in her that should have been investigated. Of course, hindsight is always better than foresight. Depending on the CPS, I'm suspecting. Larger cities like Dallas are more likely to just shoot first and ask questions later. Smaller cities are more likely to investigate.
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Post by Bob Bronson on Apr 6, 2004 1:25:38 GMT -6
Does anyone know if Deanne Laney was on any psychotropic drugs before she murdered?
Please also respond to bob@bronsons.com
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Post by Del Josse on Apr 6, 2004 2:01:04 GMT -6
Deanna Laney Should also be stonned to death. She is a living monster. She should taste the death of brain melting. She is a monster. How can this country let that monster go free. She will kill more childrens in future when she is released from hospital.
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Post by jamie on Apr 6, 2004 9:24:13 GMT -6
It does not appear that she was on medication. Here are two clips from two different transcripts: www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/12/news/opinion/courtwatch/main553543.shtmlIt doens't appear that she was on medication before the killings or that she had a history of mental illness. This is a statement about Laney: She has not been given medication yet. An attorney has been appointed to her. Her emotions are wide and varied. She goes from a fetal position of crying to walking around the cell, singing gospel music. She stops and prays. Then she goes into a crying hysteria. She has all of a sudden realized what she's done, and then she'll go into a flat-line, blank stare.
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Post by P on Apr 6, 2004 12:41:58 GMT -6
Just curious... when was the last time a man who violently attacked and killed 2 childred let alone 1, got off on insanity? And I dont disagree with the verdict neccessarily for her here either. I dont think a jury would buy the absense of, or lack of malicious intent from a man as easily as thin classy looking white lady.
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Post by jessika on Apr 6, 2004 13:01:36 GMT -6
I was watching Laney's trial last night, they were showing parts of it on Court Tv. And I was sitting there listening to the verdict. Only then did she decide to break down. And from the look of it, it was a look of relief that she was found not guilty. She didn't break down due to the fact that she killed two of her children.
I also listened as to how five psychiatrists found her to be incapable of knowing what she was doing. I'm sorry, but she knew. You can't go from not knowing what you are doing to knowing what you are doing.
How is it possible that a woman not have any hint of mental illness her whole life and then all of the sudden, she kills two of her kids and blames it on God and then gets acquitted. Did her mental illness kick in long enough for her to do that? She's not insane right now. She's not mentally ill right now. She understands what's going on. She knows what she did.
Has anyone ever thought that maybe she's acting? It's very, very easy to act insane. Ever seen Primal Fear? True, it's a movie, but it also happens in real life. People FAKE mental illness. And if she was ever going to fake it, this would be the time. It's quite easy to trick doctors. You can talk about things that are off the wall, you can say God told me too, and you can keep that story going until you are found not guilty by reason of insanity.
She is a sick woman, but not the kind of sick that everyone thinks. She's sick as in evil.
I think people want to believe that she's insane because they can't fathom that a mother would do that to her own children. That a sane mother would take her children's lives. It gives them comfort. They look for a reason as to why she did it, instead of just knowing that there are evil people in the world that do horrible things to people.
She doesn't deserve anything less than what she did to her boys. Now an example has been set that claiming "mental illness" can set you free. She's a very good actress. Academy award material. It's too bad there are so many blind people out there that don't realize that that's exactly what she is. An actress.
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Post by TexasLady on Apr 6, 2004 15:03:46 GMT -6
Just curious... when was the last time a man who violently attacked and killed 2 childred let alone 1, got off on insanity? And I dont disagree with the verdict neccessarily for her here either. I dont think a jury would buy the absense of, or lack of malicious intent from a man as easily as thin classy looking white lady. Probably the last time a man was diagnosed with PPD. I didn't think she was that classy looking but maybe she fixed herself up for court.
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Post by Jyoti Tulsani on Apr 7, 2004 3:57:11 GMT -6
I have read the verdict more than 25 times and I think we are putting on loose a totally mad person to this world. I am a mother...s mall tear from my kid makes me run.... ho wcan you hold a rock.. and I am certain God never tells you to kill somebody.... leav eyour own children.. the devil in your heart and brain tell you to do that..if God told u to this ther would nt have been any world to livein.... children are angels..god's angels mothers are form of god to take care of them... best will be she should go and commit suicide....
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Post by P on Apr 7, 2004 12:50:29 GMT -6
I didnt here PPD being used in this case as a factor for her, but heard it for Yates. It's a little presumtuous of us to believe we know this had nothing to do with a god, because out favored version of him(or her)wouldnt let this tragedy occur.
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Post by Brant on Apr 8, 2004 11:09:02 GMT -6
P, it does seem popular to dimiss Laney as either a lunatic or this evil person or a combo. I've heard some people have addressed the religious component or angle of it; mostly in a sarcastic disbelieving way, as you eluded to somewhat.
Brant
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Post by Liars on Apr 9, 2004 8:54:24 GMT -6
She should be burned at the stake for her actions. Completly idiocy that she claims God told her to do it... What are they putting in their water? LSD? BURN HER! Before we knew what epileptic seizures were, we burned people at the cross for fear they were evil. Is that the primitive society you want to live in?
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Post by justmad on Apr 9, 2004 10:31:09 GMT -6
>:(I have to agree with jessika. This lady, let me rephrase that, This MURDERER needs to have the worst punishment anyone has ever thought of!! I have a small suggestion as to what they should do to her. 1) Put her in solitary confinement with her bed made up with her childrens bedding so she can Smell them everyday!! 2) Pipe in the sound of children screaming No Mommy! Why Mommy! No Mommy! 24 hours a day at full volume! 3) Sometimes pause the sounds just long enough for her to barely get to sleep then play them again! 4) Have the only lighting in the room be provided by a red strobe light set at varying rates! 5) Cover every inch of the wall with pictures of her children! 6) After a few days place a gun in the cell with her. Let it be her choice whether to live or die!! I know this may seem beyond cruel and unusual punishment, but she MURDERED HER OWN CHILDREN!! There is no punishment to severe for this skank!!! Children are a precious gift that should be cherished!! If someone were to threaten my children in any way, I would rip their throats out!! By the way God has told people to kill their children, the only difference between that and this case is that it was only a test of faith and God would not actually let the children be harmed. Deanna MUST BE EXTERMINATED!!
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Post by jessika on Apr 9, 2004 13:36:10 GMT -6
Justmad.....I'm finally glad that someone sees it the way I see it. I think your plan for her is right on. She deserves nothing less. Except maybe a slow painful death by hitting her with rocks. Starting out with light blows, so she's well aware of the pain, moving onto harder blows. She shouldn't be killed right away, she should feel the pain and misery just like her boys felt. This woman is going to walk the streets someday and it's sickening. In our society today, most people feel for the perpetrator instead of the victims. And I'm tired of people saying that murderers deserve a second chance. Where are the victims second chance. Good for you JustMad for seeing the truth about Laney.
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Post by jamie on Apr 11, 2004 10:58:50 GMT -6
For those who think she isn't thinking of her children are being ludicris. She may NOT be allowed to have pictures of her children. She doesn't need them. She has them in her head.
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Post by Macklin on Apr 11, 2004 15:26:47 GMT -6
I hope the only pictures of her children she remembers is the last time she seen them...where she was bashing their brains out. She deserves it.
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Post by Heath on Apr 12, 2004 11:58:00 GMT -6
How is denying the exsistence god, and passing this off as some horrible joke going to prevent somebody else from listening to his voice, and killing somebody else? We need to take god maybe more seriously then our traditionally lame way and not just as someone waiting for us beside the pearly gates with a white robe for you. My problem with her and that theory is she seemed to listen to that voice it seems a little too readily and didnt beg god and/or negotiate with god for her childrens lives before she did the unpspeakable. Whatever she heard (or thought she heard), she doesnt really seemed to argue with what horrible thing has happened to her children much.
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Post by jamie on Apr 12, 2004 15:41:40 GMT -6
How do you know? Are you the fly on the wall?
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Post by Heath on Apr 13, 2004 11:25:48 GMT -6
Gee I don't know, maybe you should wait till one of the experts to post something.
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Post by lozzy38 on Apr 18, 2004 3:06:51 GMT -6
TEXThi, i just happened 2 pop on 2 this disscusion board after reading about deanna laney,i felt i really have 2 comment on a few things, firstly, i know how hard it is 2 tell sum1 that u have thoughts of harming ur kids, i have ocd, & pretty sure i' bipolar, when i had my 4th son, i had really bad pnd, i had the most awful thoughts about harming my other children, & it was very hard telling my doctor & health visitor. so jamie, i know exactly wot u have been though, & i happen 2 feel 4 these women, like andrea yates & so on, yes, its really sad that those kids have lost their lives, & don't u think that those women will go though hell 4 the rest of their lives 4 wot they have done, personally, i think if i ever did wot they did, i'd want to die to, but u must understand, these women were ill & do deserve a second chance, i'm sure in ur case as well jamie, as with me, its a living hell having those thoughts about ur own kid!, well, thx 4 listening, tc, lozzy.
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Post by Lazareth on Apr 20, 2004 13:37:17 GMT -6
In Islamic countries they practically kill women for looking the wrong way at somebody. Over here they get medication instead of elimination. Maybe everyone should sort of make a comprimise and just lock 'em up, instead of finding them "not guilty" or whatever pussyfooting this country does here.
Lazareth
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