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Post by jessika on Mar 31, 2004 18:58:38 GMT -6
Joshua struggled after his mom made the first blow. THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN! How do you think he felt when he realized his mommy was hurting him? It sickens me to know what he had to go through. Same goes for Yate's oldest son. He ran from her, the terror he must have felt to know that his mommy, the mommy that he loves was going to kill him. Get your head out of *your rear* and feel for the children and forget about feeling for the mothers. REAL mothers love, protect and NEVER hurt their children. As for my "mental illness", NEVER, EVER would the thought to kill my children even enter my mind. Maybe myself, but not my precious children. How sad that there are people like you in this world. You are just as guilty as those women that claim to be mothers are. They need to be held accountable, not felt for. Digusting.
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Post by jamie on Mar 31, 2004 19:24:02 GMT -6
You still DON'T get it I feel for the children. They went through HELL on earth. Their actual pain is gone. Why don't you think about Aaron for a moment.
He is alive. As he grows older he will know of his mom through his father and family. If his family does him well they will explain her and her actions to him. Do you think he will say: "Let my mommy die." "Kill my mommy!" I doubt it! So think about him in the future.
So think about Aaron and his life ahead of him.
Too bad that you don't try to further mental health understanding within you and outside of you.
The raging Pro's do NOTHING for the death penalty movement. Sorry, no they (you) do they hurt it.
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Post by jamie on Mar 31, 2004 19:35:13 GMT -6
Actually go even farther into the future. You daughter has a baby. She has postpartum depression, it's not taken seriously, so it festers a bit and she kills your grandchild. What do you do?!
Once again. never say never.
Do you want people to be quick with the lethal injection ? Or some understanding?
No matter your answer I hope this question stays in your head forever and that it crosses into other parts of your life. Remember: Think about the children. Your children will grow and have children. How do you want them treated.
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Post by sadie on Mar 31, 2004 19:46:01 GMT -6
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Post by Donnie on Mar 31, 2004 21:41:14 GMT -6
Actually go even farther into the future. You daughter has a baby. She has postpartum depression, it's not taken seriously, so it festers a bit and she kills your grandchild. What do you do?! Once again. never say never. Do you want people to be quick with the lethal injection ? Or some understanding? No matter your answer I hope this question stays in your head forever and that it crosses into other parts of your life. Remember: Think about the children. Your children will grow and have children. How do you want them treated. I have to agree with you to some extent. However, I don't understand how depression can cause somebody to kill. I have known people who were suffering from the mental illness of depression. They were barely able to do anything. They certainly couldn't have marshalled enough energy to kill even one baby. Perhaps the phrase "post-partum depression" is a misnomer for the post-partum urge to murder. It is indeed strange since women, even when angry and full of energy, seldom kill. But I tend to agree with the Bill Cosby philosophy toward children: "I brought you into this world and I can take you out". Not for men, but certainly for women. There should be no penalty for any women who kills her own children, no matter what the age, as long as she does it herself. No hired killing, that should be treated the same as if it wasn't her children who were murdered. After all there is no penalty if a woman aborts her child. That is a lot easier than birthing a child and taking care of it for several years before killing it. Besides there are millions of abortions, including thousands of those heinous partial-birth abortions each year. The few murders of born children by their mothers are a drop in the abortion dumpster.
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Post by Edward on Mar 31, 2004 22:04:47 GMT -6
DaveT is right on. I said that just today when speaking about this trial. If my wife killed my children, she would be dead and there would be no need for a trial. Likewise, if I lost my mind and killed my own child then I would hope she would do the same. If you don't understand why I say this, then you shouldn't be a parent.
As for Donnie, unbelievable and your comment is not worthy of a reply.
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Post by Donnie and Jamie on Mar 31, 2004 22:48:55 GMT -6
I can't believe Donnie and Jaime. A mother has a right to kill her child??? Donnie, you deserve to be shot. As for if one of my sons had a daughter, I have three sons, and he was to murder my granddaughter or grandson, my son should be put to death. Plain and simple. Bipolar disorder, which is hereditary, my mom and grandmother have it and look, no killings, does not excuse anyone from a crime. Read the newspapers Jaime, watch the trial on Laney. If you did, you'd know more about the boys lives. They were HAPPY. All of them, their mom was a good mom, many testified to that, so your theory on their lives being bad and they suffered is *bullcrap*. They were happy little boys. No suffering, until one day their mom decided to let her evil side out and bash their heads in with a rock. The only misery they ever had was that day. Shame on you for giving this woman an excuse to keep breathing. And the children's rights are.....oh that's right, they don't have any, two are dead and one will never be normal again. And if Aarons father is any kind of a man, he will tell the truth about his evil mother. And Aaron should hate his mother, with everything that he is. She deserves no kindness, no love, no understanding. She deserves to be spurned, tortured, mistreated and dead. I feel sorry for Eric, Jaime and Donnie. I feel sorry for their children if they have any. Someone should warn them about what their mommy and daddy might do to them one day and how they will get away with it, because they'll "play" ill.
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Post by Tammy on Apr 1, 2004 2:57:22 GMT -6
After hearing of this story the other day I was deeply saddened that more innocent lives are lost. That more precious, fragile children had fallen victim. I find it hard to believe that any mother could do this to their own flesh and blood. Mental or not. My opinion of these people who have mental illness and commit such a crime infact is satan. Any person who commits an act so inhumane must be possessed by a demon. This is not Godly at all. And to say that religion is to blame. Thats just an excuse for some atheist to point fingers to the churches. It is not God's will at all to murder your children. I pray for the Laney family, most of all I pray for Luke and Joshua and little Aaron who will never understand why he suffers in life. He will never have the mental compacity realize what had be done to him. That is a blessing in itself. My heart cries for all those children who have suffered by a violent crime.
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Post by TexasLady on Apr 1, 2004 10:10:12 GMT -6
My heart aches for those children, too. But I don't believe Deanna Laney should be executed.
PPD is a very real disease but it's rare to be in effect for as long as both Andrea Yates and Deanna Laney's attorney's claim. It's not like "regular" depression. It's a chemical imbalance caused by the hormonal changes that happen during pregnancy.
I found this excerpt from Deanna Laney's confession:
"At 11:30 I woke up. And it was like that feeling hit me, it's time. It's time."
"I went in Aaron's room. I got him out of his bed. I laid him on the floor. I got that rock that I put under his crib and I started hitting him in the head."
"Keith came in. He thought I was changing his diaper so he just turned around and went back out. It was dark. I did not turn the light on. But he wouldn't quit breathing. He didn't die. I thought he was going to die. But I couldn't do any more and I said, 'Lord, you're just going to have to do the rest. I can't do anymore.' So I put him in the bed... and I put the pillow over his little face because he was making this gurgling sound. I put the pillow over his head and I went out and I got Luke. I took the rock with me. I got Luke out of bed and this feeling just hit me, take him outside. So I took him outside."
"I laid him down on a rock and I picked up the rock next to him and I hit him in the head on the left side. It was all on this side... because Aaron ( undiscernible)... He would put that hand right here on his head. I thought that must of been why he's doing that because that was the side I was suppose to hit him on. In every one of them I hit them on the same side."
"I had to get Joshua. I didn't want him to see Luke. I drug Luke around. I drug Luke around... indiscernible"
"I put this rock down on his chest so that he couldn't breath."
"I said, 'Lord I just can't do it any longer.' I looked up and there was a streak of lightning that came down... and that was like a sign to me that he was dead.
This is not the statement or actions of a sane woman, IMO
While if found not guilty by reason of insanity, it's possible she could be released in 30 days or put in outpatient care but it's seriously doubtful that could happen. No judge is going to be that naive.
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Post by jessika on Apr 1, 2004 11:26:27 GMT -6
People like Texas Lady should really, really get their heads out of their *%#*@*. Blaming PPD for killing your children is ridiculous! What is this country coming to? It makes me sick. Absolutely sick. If the people like Texas Lady, Jamie, Donnie and Erik had it their way, they'd take EVERY murderer and have them reevaluated to see if they suffer from a mental illness. Shoot, let's free all the murderers, I mean according to them, you have to be insane to kill. Let's them all go and see if they go "insane" again. People like that disgust me!
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Post by TexasLady on Apr 1, 2004 11:53:32 GMT -6
People like Texas Lady should really, really get their heads out of their *%#*@*. Blaming PPD for killing your children is ridiculous! What is this country coming to? It makes me sick. Absolutely sick. If the people like Texas Lady, Jamie, Donnie and Erik had it their way, they'd take EVERY murderer and have them reevaluated to see if they suffer from a mental illness. Shoot, let's free all the murderers, I mean according to them, you have to be insane to kill. Let's them all go and see if they go "insane" again. People like that disgust me! WHOA!! Am I the only one that finds this funnier than all get out? I'm now the poster child for the antis? Cool. No, Jessika, I do not "blame" PPD for the murder. It is, however, a very real disease and while I don't condone the killing of one's children, I do believe Deanna Laney fits the legal description of "insane." Of course, most bible thumpers I know also fit that legal description so... While I'm a fairly staunch pro, I do not believe all murderers deserve to be executed. Nor do I see "mental illness" as a defense. Yes, I do believe some degree of mental illness is necessary for someone to murder someone else. It's not something mentally healthy people do. But mental illness and legally insane are two different things. The legal definition of insanity clearly states the murderer does not understand his/her actions are wrong. I think that Deanna Laney actually believed she that she was not only not wrong but that she was right. She believed that god had told her to stone her children and even where to hit them. Followed by the bolt of lightning that she thinks confirmed it. Then, she called 911 and told the dispatcher she'd stoned her children to death. This is not the sort of behavior exhibited by someone who believes they're doing something wrong. Yes, I do think about the children, especially what their last moments were like. Here was the one person in the world who was supposed to love and protect them doing unmentionable things to them. It's sad, it's horrible and it makes my blood boil that this happened. But that doesn't change the fact that she was insane (both medically and legally) at the time. Should she be executed. No. Should she be put away for a long, long time. Absolutely. Should she ever see the light of day again. I don't know. Depends on where she is 40 years or so from now. You sure do get wound up, don't you?
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Post by jessika on Apr 1, 2004 12:08:10 GMT -6
Yes, I do get riled up. Especially when it comes to children. She KNEW what she was doing. She called the police and told them that she did something wrong. So, let me get this straight, she woke up one morning and became insane long enough to kill her children and then snapped out of it right afterwards? Give me a break. I can't believe that you have doubts on if she should ever see the light of day again. Her two boys won't, why should she? Because she's "legally insane"? That's *bullcrap*. People like you who defend people like her are damaging to our society. If I didn't know better I'd think you were insane. To defend her seems to me to be an insane thing to do. We need to represent the children that have died. We need to speak for them and make sure that their murderers get what they deserve. They don't have a life anymore, either should she. They didn't get a chance to tell their daddy good-bye. They'll never grow up and have a family of thier own. They'll never experience anything. All because their mommy went "insane" one morning. She needs to sit on death row, confined to a tiny room 24 hours a day, with her thoughts and memories on what she did that day. Then after years of that, we can all agree that she will be mentally ill.
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Post by Leyli on Apr 1, 2004 12:37:08 GMT -6
TEXTI completly believe that she knew what she was doing. 1. She had enough sense in her head to drag her mutilated son's body away so her other boy wouldn't see it and run away. 2. She had enough sense not to turn on the light and not to tell her husband what she was doing. 3. She had enough sense to hide a rock under her babies crib and she was upset that he was still breathing after she malicousisly smashed his head in with said rock. 4. She had enough sense to call the police and tell them that she killed her kids. 5. She had enough sense to reason that putting a rock on one kid's chest and a pillow over the babies face would stop them from breathing. That's rational thought, folks. Maybe she could convince an intelligent person that she was insane if she had told her husband what she was doing and not carefully hidden the rock but as it is all she can convince are idiots. I'm sorry, if I bashed my child's head in with a rock while insane the second I was sane again I'd shoot myself. How can she live with what she has done? She's sick and disguisting but harldy insane. And shame on her husband for sticking by her. I'm usually not for the death penalty but if a person is capable of killing their own children in cold blood they deserve to die. Someone should stone her, see how she likes it.
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Post by jessika on Apr 1, 2004 12:46:53 GMT -6
Kudos to you Leyli! You have it exactly right!
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Post by jamie on Apr 1, 2004 13:13:54 GMT -6
Given a chance if these two women were left alone they would kill themselves.
In her head the actions were right and just. She thinks she is doing what the almighty God wants her too. That screams of insanity.
Answer the question I asked about Aaron. You say you:"Think about the children." Well he is one of her children and deserves to know her.
I don't even think that Andrea or Deanna should be in jail for more then 10 years. They should NOT be aloud to have children.
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Post by jessika on Apr 1, 2004 13:21:00 GMT -6
Pathetic. That's the only word to describe Jamie. Shouldn't receive ten years in prison? You should be sent to prison. Her two little boys that are in the ground right now, can't believe that you are defending her. They're screaming out "what about us, what about what it felt like to be smashed in the head?" "what about our feelings and how we feel that our mother hurt us?" Stupid people like you, Jamie, should be smashed in the head with a rock. Someday, you'll get yours.
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Post by jamie on Apr 1, 2004 13:28:06 GMT -6
So you don't think that her children still love her? You think they are calling from the grave for revenge on their own mother?
I guess your children would do the same?
You don't know children well. Even when children are alive and live in horrible conditions they still love those who do them wrong.
Again, what about Aaron?
You are not a deep thinker.
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Post by jessika on Apr 1, 2004 13:32:25 GMT -6
Aaron has every right to know about his mother. He deserves to know exactly what kind of person she is. Evil. SHE doesn't deserve the right to know him. She doesn't deserve to know how he's doing, how he's progressing, NOTHING. She gave up any right to him when she bashed him in the head. And as for deep thinking....it doesn't take deep thinking to know that she deserves to die. Anyone with a brain, would know that. It really sickens me to know that I share the same air with you. I guess it's a good thing that we have freedom of speech...it's also a very good thing that you are not the judge, jury or defending attorney in Laneys case. A very good thing.
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Post by jamie on Apr 1, 2004 13:43:51 GMT -6
I feel the same about you! ;D Your making it hard on the good Bi-polars, your reaction is what will keep mental illness shameful not to mention under-covered by insurance companies.
But you don't look past your own nose. You don't see your children having children and what could happen to your grandchild(ren) or your grandchildren when they have babies and heaven forbid something this tragic happens. You can't see past your anger.
You are doing a disservice to other pro DP'ers and the DP movement. The arguement will turn any fence sitter into a anti and if you get a bunch of anti 's in the government they will do away with the DP all together.
Of course by that time you'll have your angry mob dispensing "justice".
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Post by jessika on Apr 1, 2004 13:50:48 GMT -6
If you look at all my "posts" you will see that they are consistent. You aren't very smart are you? And I'm bipolar...yet, my comments, each time are the same. She needs to die. And as I've said before, if my child were to murder someone, including their own child, my child would deserve to die just like Laney does. If I were to somehow be overtaken by some evil illness as you put it, and kill someone, then I should be put to death. I wouldn't try and cop out of it and say "oh, I'm mentally ill, I'm bipolar." I would want to die. I would deserve to die. As would my child if he were to commit a murderous act. And I'm sorry, post partum depression.....is NOT an excuse to kill. It is an excuse to cry, be depressed, want to be isolated, etc...it does not excuse MURDER! And you are very right in saying that I'm angry. I'm not the only one that should be angry at Laney for taking innocent lives. It's natural to feel that way. What's NOT natural is to feel sorry for Laney. If you think she as an illness, you should look in the mirror.
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Post by TexasLady on Apr 1, 2004 14:14:08 GMT -6
I completly believe that she knew what she was doing. No one said she didn't know what she was doing. But, she thought she was doing what god wanted her to do. She thought she was doing what was right. The woman is legally insane. No doubt about it. And yes, she's on suicide watch. As for Jessika's comments about children calling from the grave. If you're hearing voices you need to have your medication checked. It's all well and good to want to fry this woman but, you know, no one here has any idea what's happening in her mind. Hearing voices (especially a god's voice) is a lot different than being bipolar. It may sound harsh but there are a lot of children out there who are still alive but in trouble. They can be helped. Unfortunately, the Laney children can't. If you're this passionate about helping children, perhaps volunteering for a child advocacy center or a children's shelter might help. I think Deanna Laney spending the rest of her life in a rubber room reliving what she did to her own children is the ultimate punishment for her.
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Post by jessika on Apr 1, 2004 14:23:06 GMT -6
As a matter of fact my passion for children is doing something for them. I infact volunteer at the homeless shelter, at the abused childrens shelter, and at one of the foster care homes. As for Laney being in a padded room for the rest of her life, I'm all for that, IF she isn't allowed any visitors, no tv, no books, no outside time, no NOTHING. Just her and the padded room. She deserves every one of her privileges taken away, just like she took away her childrens. As for voices.....in her case, that's a cop-out. I guess the voices stopped talking right after she killed her boys. How convenient. My passion is for the children that are alive AND for the children that have died. My passion is to make sure that those held responsible for the deaths of these children, be held accountable for their actions. They should receive nothing less than what their crime was. That's my opinion, and that's what I work towards. I work for the victims, NOT the perpetrators. I'm the voice for the children that don't have a voice anymore.
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Post by Cristin Smith on Apr 1, 2004 14:38:41 GMT -6
Texas Lady i really agree with you on this one.Dee Laney was my Aunt and a very good one at that i understand that she murdered my cousins and i miss them dearly but i cant throw away the 16 years of love and compasion i have shared with her. My cousins are dead now yes and i have had to move on. I feel yes that she does deserve a hard puishment, but killing her what good is that going to do. She needs help and with her alive she will hava to replay the murder of her children over and over in her mind and havign to live with the fact that she did it. What you have to understand is that you always seem to talk bad about the people like this but you will never know how it fills and how it can tare your faimly apart untill it happens to someone you know or someone in your faimly even . You will then have a very different outlook on these situation. THINK ABOUT IT !!!!!!!
I LOVE YOU JOSH & LUKE MAY 10,2003 R.I.P YOUR IN MY PRAYERS AUNT DEETEXT
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Post by asffdgh on Apr 1, 2004 14:49:22 GMT -6
Insane or not, she deserves a slow painful death. What's the point in keeping her alive. 2 (possibly 3) children will not live to see adulthood because of her and keeping her alive, as with all people in cases such as this, is nothing more than a drain on the economy and on taxpayers' wallets. She should be killed quickly (I don't want to see her on death row for 10 years) and that's the end of it. Use the money that is saved from not keeping her in jail to support the husband and the surviving child.
All you religious zealots out there should have a nice tall glass of David Koresh's Kool-Aid because I think that religion is the greatest cancer to ever plague our planet.
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Post by rgsrthth on Apr 1, 2004 14:51:17 GMT -6
And Cristin..what good would it do to kill your aunt? None...it wouldn't do any good....but what good would it do to keep her alive? Nothing but a waste of taxpayers' money.
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Post by jessika on Apr 1, 2004 14:51:54 GMT -6
Asffdgh, I applaud your intelligence. There should be more people out there like you!
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Post by jamie on Apr 1, 2004 14:53:07 GMT -6
Gradious ideations?
Okay, Deanna is looked away rocking in the corner of a padded room. What about the next mom who hears voices and kills her children? Well society will still be clueless about mental illness and children will be dead.
Help with awareness of mental illness maybe focusing on mothers and think forward to the unborn children that could be saved. That is called being PRO-ACTIVE.
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Post by jessika on Apr 1, 2004 14:59:29 GMT -6
EVERY single woman that wants to become a mother, should have to be evaluated. You know how you have to get a license to get married, the same should go for having children. A lot of children would be saved. Yes, I know that will NEVER happen, but wouldn't it be nice if it would. It's just my belief that you treat people the way you want to be treated, in ALL aspects. I will continue to help those that need it and those that can't help themselves. That is what I am hear for. To be the voice for those that aren't here anymore and for those that are.
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Post by Leyli on Apr 1, 2004 15:11:45 GMT -6
Jamie,
To answer your question...what about Aaron? Doesn't Aaron deserve to know his mother? Sure he does but the fact of the matter is she beat his head in so much he probably won't be able to know her even if he wanted to. The poor kid is blind and will probably be severly retarded/handicapped because of what she did do him.
Does she deserve to know him? Absolutley not. If I believe she is insane, which I don't (she is a clever liar though) she'll just harm him more. If she isn't insane then she deserves to die.
She doesn't need help, she needs to die.
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Post by Father of Two In Ohio on Apr 1, 2004 16:30:33 GMT -6
I find it amazing that a message board topic could go this long on a subject like this. Three children beat to death with a fricking rock. Are you kidding me ? How can it take 40 posts to conclude that this psycopathic bith needs to be fried. No Lethal Injection. Hook her up to Mr. Sparky. Th real debate should be how to kill her not whether to kill her or not. Anyone that thinks she should not die, think about this. If you had watched this happen without the ability to do anything and witnessed it, would you feel the same way
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