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Post by jamie on Apr 2, 2004 15:56:32 GMT -6
It was years ago my experience with PPD.
Okay, so you care about children then help get the word out about PPD then you could save more children.
You'd rather keep others as ignorant as you and just let kids keep getting killed. You'd rather kill the mom after the fact instead of saving the child. Make sense, NOT!
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Post by jessika on Apr 2, 2004 16:09:40 GMT -6
Tell me something Jamie.....how will saving Laney save the children? The children are already dead!!!!! Years ago or not, you felt that way towards your daughter. And what sickens me is, if you had of killed her, you would have gotten off because of PPD. Let me ask you this. If your daughter was killed by some crazy lady that just had a baby and went whacko because she was PPD, you would back her up? In your heart you know you would not back her up, you'd want her dead! What's the difference if it's your child she killed or her own children she killed. PPD is not an excuse to kill!! We all agree that to kill you'd have to be out of your mind anyway....but don't put a diagnosis on it. Just own up to your actions. Your daughter is lucky that you didn't "supposedly" snap. I guess I am close minded when it comes to this subject. I can't help but be. I've had personal experience with child abuse, and I am in no way here to feel for the perpetrator. I'm here for the victims and I always will be. You might call me vicious and mean, but you don't know my life. I just didn't wake up one morning and decide that all murderers should die. I've had experience, I volunteer, I SEE what happens....I will always be here to help the children.
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Post by jamie on Apr 2, 2004 16:26:19 GMT -6
Forget about Laney!!!. In the name of Lucas and Joshua let people know ,in some way, about PPD.
The way I help in memory of the children killed by thieir mothers and the mothers who have killed themselves. I am not ASHAMED of what I went through so I am not silent. I stay up on pettitions for and about mental illness. This is what I do to help children who could be born to a woman who could suddenly develope ppd. I want to help both mother and child.
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Post by jessika on Apr 2, 2004 16:32:32 GMT -6
Nobody said you were ashamed of you PPD...you shouldn't be. Just like I'm not ashamed to admit I'm bipolar(well, according to some I'm lying about it) I've never met anyone that has ever wanted to hurt their child, so maybe that is why am so close minded about it. I'm not ready to feel for the childrens mothers yet. Like I said, from personal experience, my goal is to help the children. None of the children that I deal with, that I help, have mothers with PPD. I have dealt with mothers that have clinical depression and are bipolar. I care for their children that they abused, and let me tell you, I still feel NOTHING for the mothers. I feel for the children. The only way to help the kids is to take them away. I guess I'm blind or dumb. I just don't have the compassion for the mothers, illness or not. Maybe if I ever do come across those that have experienced PPD, then my opinion might change, but for now, I stand behind the kids...
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Post by jamie on Apr 2, 2004 16:40:53 GMT -6
It is beyond the scariest thing in the world to have this compulsion to hurt your child. I think it was my in ability to make decisions and the ability to over think everything that kept me from causing her harm. And I also think that since I don't have religious ideations that I was able to keep my self discussions about her and me.
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Post by jessika on Apr 2, 2004 16:59:18 GMT -6
My sons father abused him. Actually it was his fathers girlfriend. CPS was called out to his home on four different occasions and still did not take my son from their home. I new nothing, he was visiting for the summer down south with him. He suffered severe beatings from her and finally one day, the father did do the abuse. My son had an accident in his pants and his father, broke his arm and bruised his spine with his knee. He was brought up on two felony counts of child abuse, which would have given him prison time, but he got off....completely off. He paid 250,000 thousand dollars for an attorney and he got off. I wanted to bring charges against the girlfriend but the D.A. said I had no case. I asked my attorney why it took so long for CPS to remove him from the home, why it took him getting his arm broken before they'd acknowledge he was being abused, and his only comment was, at least he's alive....you're lucky. I was lucky? Maybe to some extent, but tell that to my little boy who's laying in the hospital with a bruised spine and broken arm. From that day on, I knew that I had to do whatever it took to help the children. I have no feelings for the adults that abuse or kill. I just can't. The only consolation I got was the night my sons father spent in county jail, the only night, he was beaten. He went to court the next day with two black eyes and walking with a limp. I asked my lawyer what happened, he said the cops made sure the other inmates new why he was in there. At least he got something. The reason I'm telling this story is because, maybe it'll give you some insight on why I'm so intense about the children. Like I said, maybe one day I'll understand about PPD, but for now, I'm sticking with the ones that can't help themselves. The little victims. Like my son was.
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Post by Sarina on Apr 3, 2004 12:26:28 GMT -6
Wow...hope Erik never has kids. Okay everybody, you heard Erik, next time your kid won't eat their vegetables make sure you stone them or else God will be veeeery mad. Riiiight...look, dude, for your own safety don't take the bible so literally or else your gonna be choping off your own limbs in stuff to avoid temptation and so on...Chill out, and for heaven's sake, don't have any kids. And by the way, Deanna Laney is guilty as hell whether or not God told her to kill her kids because we don't care WHO told her, she KILLED her kids!
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Post by myangelvac on Apr 3, 2004 12:51:02 GMT -6
I've been reading these posts and just taking everything in. I wasn't going to respond to any of them but after reading them I can't just sit here and say nothing. Here is my take on this whole situation. This is just my opinion and I'm sure some here are not going to like it but it's mine to have. I don't feel this woman was completely insane when she stoned her children. Here's why...if she was insane then why did she have a stone under her youngest sons bed...why did she drag her one sons lifeless body out of the way so her other son wouldn't see it...why did she put a rock on her sons chest after she was done smashing his skull in...and if she truly believed that god wanted her to do this and that her children would be raised up and live again, why did she call the cops? If she truly believed she was doing what god wanted and that her boys would be raised up and live again then don't you think she would have been waiting for that to happen, waiting over her boys lifeless bodies for them to "live again". Now that would have at least made her look insane. As for the bible and god basically saying that it's "ok" to stone disobedient children...here's my take on that...what I feel god is saying is that it's ok to do what ever is necessary to discipline your child, within reason. At the time of the bible that was acceptable...just like crucifying criminals. That was acceptable then but not now. Stoning may have been acceptable then BUT NOT NOW! I agree 100% that the bible should not be taken literally. I mean think about it...how can it be ok to stone your child to death but it's not ok for a women to have the right to chose. Are you telling me that it's ok to take the life of your child because you gave that child life but it's not ok for a women to chose what to do with her own body and also ok to kill people that do give women that right. I'm not saying that abortion is a good thing but what I am saying is that it's wrong to kill regardless and if you kill, especially your own flesh and blood, there is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for that and you should WITHOUT A DOUBT be punished to the fullest extent of the law. I'm catholic but there is alot within the catholic religion that I have a problem with. I feel the catholic religion needs to get with the times. I'm so tired of people saying "god made me do it, god said it was ok, god wants me to do this". Take responsibility for your own actions and stop trying to find excuses. Just for the record...I too had PPD, times of depression, came from an abusive household (my father use to beat me regularly), came from a broken household (mom and dad got divorced) and my father was an alcoholic but NEVER, EVER have I had thoughts of killing or even injuring my child. When I get really, really mad at her, I leave the room to cool off so nothing can happen. I love my daughter with all of heart and soul and would NEVER in a million years do anything to hurt her...I'd rather kill myself first. When you are a parent, that is how it's supposed to be...you're supposed to be willing to give your life for you child, not take theirs. Well that's all for me...you probably won't see another post from me because I'm not going to get into any arguments with anyone, I just wanted to post my opinion. Sorry this was long and maybe boring but once I got started it was hard to stop. Thanks!!
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Post by Sarina on Apr 3, 2004 13:04:51 GMT -6
*applauses myangelvac beautiful speech* This debate has ended with a perfect speech by myangelvac...veeeery nice
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Post by guest on Apr 3, 2004 14:26:42 GMT -6
What I really find insane is that supposedly normal people can sit down and actually say that this or that person deserves to die. You who are living have no authority to state who does and who does not have a right to die. I have no respect for your opinions. We may be the ones doing the killing, but the only one who has the right to say that someone deserves death is God. If any of you had any shred of honest humility, you'd put these people in prison for life and let time take its course. All you care about is revenge, and some false notion that killing the people you are afraid of will make us more safe. All it does is create a barbaric society. I don't want people as my friends who say that other people they don't know deserve to die. I find that behavior kind of sick, to be honest. Not to mention totally childish and frankly unchristian, unloving and unforgiving.
- 8-)Paul
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Post by Sarina on Apr 3, 2004 14:37:17 GMT -6
I agree too guest but if we did what you suggest people would get out sooner on parole because the prisons are so full. That means more murderers on the streets. Besides, think of how high they would have to make taxes to pay for all those people in prison, personally, I don't want to be paying for it.
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Post by jessika on Apr 3, 2004 15:31:15 GMT -6
Finally someone who sees Laney for what she is! I applaud you myangelvac and sarina! Laney, as well as Yates and Smith, deserve to die! I just wish they could die the same way they killed their children. Laney needs to be stoned and Yates and Smith need to be drowned. THose are slow, painful deaths....THose poor children. It's not fair. I'm glad there are people out there with some sense.
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Post by jamie on Apr 3, 2004 18:17:26 GMT -6
Thank you myangelvac for posting. Thankfully you had/have the ability to walk away from your baby when you are stressed.
It is not an excuse (PPD) but it is one hell of a reason. Reason and excuse are not the same.
BTW, Susan Smith should be DR. Her case is much different then the Yates and Laney. Yes, children are dead but what got them there is different.
What if a woman has cancer and it goes into her brain and she kills her child because the cancer is in that part of the brain that controls impulse. Should this person be put to death?
Jamie
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Post by jessika on Apr 3, 2004 20:39:38 GMT -6
No, Jamie, let her live. Forget the victims, after all, that part of her brain was corrupt. Good reason to kill.
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Post by jamie on Apr 3, 2004 20:53:47 GMT -6
Tell you what when you develope some convergent, critical and divergent thinking skills let me know.
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Post by jessika on Apr 3, 2004 21:03:19 GMT -6
Like I said..you got what you wanted. You are in the same class as Eric, the freak on here. It sickens me to know that Laney will be walking the streets soon. They'll medicate her, stabilize her and she'll be free to walk the streets. She'll be able to visit her son Aaron. And this is acceptable to people like you, because she claims "insanity" People think that if a mother kills her children it's got to mean that she's not all there. Hello, people, some mothers are just plain EVIL. Why lable the child killers with a disease. Name them for what they really are. Evil and mean. She's going to be able to walk outside, feel the sunshine on her face, read a book, watch tv, go to a movie, go on a vacation...her two little boys are in the ground, never to feel any goodness that life could have brought them. And my thoughts aren't up to par.....No, my thoughts are heartfelt and sincere....for the right people. Josh and Luke. They were served no justice. No justice at all.
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Post by jessika on Apr 3, 2004 21:04:33 GMT -6
Excuse the typo for label.
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Post by Bilbo on Apr 4, 2004 8:50:32 GMT -6
I cant believe the bleeding hearts here. What about the children she butchered? What about the one who is now brain damaged for the rest of his life because of this monster? The father now has to care for this child because of the actions of this woman. Thats the problem with the justice system. NO regard for the victims. All sympathy for the perpetrator.
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Post by myangelvac on Apr 4, 2004 9:30:48 GMT -6
Here's a thought...if god is the only one who can say who dies and who lives then why are Laney's boys dead. She says god told her to do it but if he truly wanted those boys to die he would have taken them himself. Regardless of if she is on a suicide watch or not, I can guarantee you that god won't be tell her she needs to die anytime soon. To be perfectly honest with you...sometimes I'm torn on the subject of sentencing someone to death. I feel that if you take a life yours should be taken in return...after all, what gives you the right to take someone's life in the first place, regardless of if god told you to do it or not. On the other side though...if the person is truly remorseful for what they did then the best punishment might just be to let them live their life in prison remembering every day of their lives what they did and the look on the face of the person they killed, especially if it's their own flesh and blood. Maybe Laney should be put in a room with pictures of all 3 of her kids...on one wall, them in happy times with their mother...on the other wall, the photos after the stoning...let her look at them for the rest of her life and force her to remember the look on her kids faces each time she raised that rock over their heads and brought it down to their skulls. Maybe then god will tell her it's her time to die. Before anyone starts talking about how revengeful or bitter I sound or anything like that just let me tell you something...maybe I am, but guess what, those kids can't do it for themselves now...she made sure of that. As for her youngest, maybe, just maybe, she should be able to see him...once, after he's old enough to understand what she did to his brothers and after he's been told about the circumstances that brought her to do it. I'm sure, and no I can't speak for him either, but I'm sure he's going to have a hard time understanding why she tried to kill him and succeeded in killing his brothers. Let him ask her "why did you hurt us like that mommy, didn't you love us?" Oh and here's a question that I forgot to ask on my other post. Why did the family not step in and do something before this happened? I mean some of them have already said that she was acting strangely right before the murders. Why not ask her...what's wrong is everything ok? I don't know about you but if I had a loved one that was drinking water from the floor and/or from the toilet that would throw up a red flag right there. Which is what her family has already said she would do on occasion if she felt she didn't obey god. Go figure...I guess that must be normal behavior for some. Put it this way...if Laney isn't responsible because of her beliefs, then the family is for not doing something to try and prevent it. Basically put...those kids died because of blindness...no one wanted to see that their was a problem and the kids suffered. Same with Yates...why was she left alone with the children in the first place? I mean they KNEW there was a problem and did nothing about it. I can only hope that IF I ever started acting oddly enough that my family would step in and do something about it. If not for me then for my child. But I know right from wrong and I know that MY god, obviously not the same one Laney believes in, says it's wrong to kill. Oh wait...that's how I CHOOSE to interpret what others here say is god saying it's ok to stone your kids...and why is that you ask...because I know right from wrong. I know I said I wasn't going to post again but considering she just got away with murder I felt the need to say something again. Yes for those that have not heard, she was acquitted of all charges by reason of insanity. She's being transferred from jail to a state mental hospital on Tuesday I believe. One good thing to come out of this, if there really are any, is that at least she's not seeing someone on an out patient basis...at least she's looked up to an extent.
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Post by myangelvac on Apr 4, 2004 9:56:54 GMT -6
Sorry to be pain but here's something I just read on CNN.com: Files said in court that Laney believed God had told her the world was going to end and "she had to get her house in order," which included killing her children. Now I ask you, doesn't god say that ALL will be raised up on the last day? Doesn't it make you wonder, that if she truly believed the world was going to end and that her children were going to be raised up again, wouldn't you think she's want to be with them? Wouldn't you think that she would have killed herself as well so she could be raised up with them? And what about the baby, he wasn't going to be raised up because she couldn't do it anymore. Wow, since she didn't obey god completely I wonder if she drank water from the floor or the toilet like she's done in the past as stated by her own family.
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Post by JEAN on Apr 4, 2004 10:01:08 GMT -6
I think Eric was just showing how the bible may be interpreted by different types of people, that have no idea, about ancient times! Plus he was being sarcastic, trying to be funny, which I think he was, just not the best subject to be joking about~if anyone kills children I think they should be given an injection or stay in jail for the rest of there lives to ponder about what they have done, but then who foots the bill to keep them? It is HORRIBLE, death for death in alot of cases is the way to go, especially killing children! I have 5 kids & they may get on my nerves, but never could it occur to me to kill them~maybe she really is insane!! FOR THE POOR CHILDRENS SOULS!
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Post by Edward on Apr 4, 2004 10:07:03 GMT -6
WOW.....NOT GUILTY!?!?! I guess everyone here who felt sorry for this "poor, sick, insane" woman is giggling about how justice has been served. I just want to clarify what this verdict tells every psychopath just looking for a reason to kill whomever catches their interest. Be sure to say that, "God told you to kill!". If you do, you can rest assured some stupid jury will decide that being insane gives you the right to take anothers life or do whatever you like. This is the problem we face today. The right of the individual supercedes the rights of society. Abolutely unbelievable. Those poor children deserved much better and their mother deserves to die.
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Post by Brian on Apr 4, 2004 14:21:17 GMT -6
Maybe the prosecutors should have claimed that God was telling them to convict and execute her. That seems to elicit a sympathetic response from a lot of people.
*bi+ch*.
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Post by jessika on Apr 5, 2004 0:01:30 GMT -6
It's wonderful to know that I'm not the only one that thinks justice was not served in the Laney case. Her case will now let every other murderer claim the same thing she did.."god told me too" I like myangelvac's idea. Put her in a padded room with pictures on each wall of her three boys....Let her look at those everyday for the rest of her life. That would be better punishment than just killing her. Unless of course, she has no remorse, then it wouldn't do a damn thing....On second thought, killing her would bring justice to those boys. Take away her life, like she did theirs.
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Post by Another Guest on Apr 5, 2004 0:50:18 GMT -6
What about those of us who don't believe in god, or at least in YOUR god? Have we no say in what happens to child-killing monsters? And "barbaric society" ? I think bashing childrens' heads in with rocks is about as barbaric as it gets, so your point is moot there. And FYI, killing people who do "barbaric" things is not all about revenge or "becuase we're scarred of them", it's to remove danger from society and to SET AN EXAMPLE THAT YOU DON'T CRUSH A CHILD'S HEAD WITH A BIG ROCK. If you take a life, and it's proven without a doubt in a court, you die. It's a simple concept that makes a lot more sense than putting someone in jail for life, at a cost of millions of tax dollars, serving no useful purpose to society other than to employ prison guards, and eventually letting them out to potentially commit crime again. I think that idea is insane. It the context of this particular case, do you have children? And if so , what if Ms. Laney gets out of the hospital in a year and buys the house next door to yours? Would you be able to let you kids play in their own yard without your direct supervision? I sure wouldn't feel warm an fuzzy about it. Logically, if one can kill their own children, whom they should have some natural instinct to protect, it must be even easier to kill someone else's. What would you do if she killed your children in the name of God? Would you be "caring" and "forgiving"? Perhaps make her a nice casserole to help ease her recovery from the guilt and remorse of killing your children? I mean, seriously people, open your eyes. What I really find insane is that supposedly normal people can sit down and actually say that this or that person deserves to die. You who are living have no authority to state who does and who does not have a right to die. I have no respect for your opinions. We may be the ones doing the killing, but the only one who has the right to say that someone deserves death is God. If any of you had any shred of honest humility, you'd put these people in prison for life and let time take its course. All you care about is revenge, and some false notion that killing the people you are afraid of will make us more safe. All it does is create a barbaric society. I don't want people as my friends who say that other people they don't know deserve to die. I find that behavior kind of sick, to be honest. Not to mention totally childish and frankly unchristian, unloving and unforgiving. - 8-)Paul
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Post by J D Arc on Apr 5, 2004 9:31:59 GMT -6
i would like to know what kind of preaching/teaching this woman was getting from her church. sounds like she might have simply taken something she heard/learned to its logical conclusion. if she was a member of an ultra-conservative church (some of these people advocate living under the old testament law of god, which would include capital punishment for adulterers and incorrigible kids), perhaps investigators should look into what kind of indoctrination she had been subject to. there may be more than just one person who is insane and responsible for these murders.
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Post by myangelvac on Apr 5, 2004 11:57:44 GMT -6
I've been doing alot of thinking since this verdict was reached...as I'm sure alot of others have as well. After watching the videos of Laney's interviews I've come to the conclusion that she is without a doubt one sick individual...HOWEVER, that does not give her the right to take the lives of her children and severely injure another one. I've got so many more questions after seeing those videos. Here's one, I don't understand how she could be so sure that what she was doing was the right thing one minute because god told her to then the next minute calling 911 (which I listened to that tape as well) because she supposedly wasn't insane anymore. Not to mention, wouldn't one think that if she truly believed that she was doing what god wanted that she'd be saying that in her interviews with the doctors that interviewed her. You know, kind of continuing to spred the Lords word. In one of the interviews she did get emotional...not for her boys though but for a baby bird. I mean I half expected her to be insisting that what she did was the right thing because she felt she was doing "gods work". The only mention of that in any of the videos that I saw was when she said what she felt at the time of the killings. Medication or not I don't think this woman should ever see the light of day again. In my opinion, this verdict has opened the door to so many more "god told me to do it" defenses. As a matter of fact, there is a woman in, I believe, Colorado that drowned her 2 children and is claiming temporary insanity as well. This woman says she did it because it was a message from a spider that she needed to "set her children free". She says that because she's afraid of spiders and this one that walked across her hand didn't scare her that that was a sign from god to set her kids free. I will put money on the fact that this woman will get off too. The problem with this one is that previous trouble has been stated but in this case it was the system that failed those kids. I do agree that there are people that don't believe in god and I have no problem with that, that is after all their right, but I do feel that everyone has some type of a higher power that they do believe in and Laney's verdict is just going to give other's the "reason or excuse" they are looking for to kill their child just because they want out for some reason. I don't want to end up posting one of my usual long posts so I'll stop here for now but I will most likely end up reading something else that will put more questions out there instead of answering the questions that already exist. Thanks!
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Post by TexasLady on Apr 5, 2004 11:59:44 GMT -6
It the context of this particular case, do you have children? And if so , what if Ms. Laney gets out of the hospital in a year and buys the house next door to yours? Would you be able to let you kids play in their own yard without your direct supervision? I sure wouldn't feel warm an fuzzy about it. Logically, if one can kill their own children, whom they should have some natural instinct to protect, it must be even easier to kill someone else's. What would you do if she killed your children in the name of God? Would you be "caring" and "forgiving"? Perhaps make her a nice casserole to help ease her recovery from the guilt and remorse of killing your children? Personally, I wouldn't allow my daughter out in the yard unsupervised, no matter who lives next door. But I'd feel a lot better having Deanna Laney next door than some zealot who calls CPS every time I discipline her. True story: Woman in grocery store with unruly toddler. Toddler out of control; hitting, slapping, kicking, biting. Mother gives toddler quick, light swat on diapered bottom. Child calms down, mother and child finish shopping. Zealot in same store witnesses exchange and calls CPS who is required to act on every report. CPS worker shows up at families door and automatically removes child from home for the mandatory 72 hours. Toddler is returned to the home after no evidence of child abuse is found. Child is traumatized, family is traumatized, mother now has a record of a reported child abuse incident. Zealot turns out to be a regular CPS caller but since she makes all these reports, they must be acted upon by law. Yes, this actually happened to someone I know. It's unbelievable how traumatic it was for the family but mostly for the child. The mother is now trying to have the record expunged because she wants to adopt a child but can't because she has this report on her record. While I don't spank my child, I don't have anything against anyone who does, as long as it's not excessive. It should be up to the parents to determine, within reason, how they wish to discipline their children. The above, though, is one example of how someone who believes they're a voice for the children can actually cause more harm than good.
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Post by Zoe on Apr 5, 2004 12:06:45 GMT -6
Spanking your child and killing your child are two separate things. And now a days, you have to keep your eyes open for child abuse. Even if you only suspect it, it's a good idea to call it in. It's better to be safe than sorry. A woman like Texas Lady would rather not say anything, even if she saw something that looked disturbing. It's people like you who, look the other way that lets a child go home to an abuser, when possibly it could have been prevented.
I would call in an istant if I saw something that resembled child abuse. I don't care if causes the parents grief or not. We should NEVER look the other way when we something not right. We have to protect the children.
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Post by TexasLady on Apr 5, 2004 12:28:18 GMT -6
Spanking your child and killing your child are two separate things. And now a days, you have to keep your eyes open for child abuse. Even if you only suspect it, it's a good idea to call it in. It's better to be safe than sorry. A woman like Texas Lady would rather not say anything, even if she saw something that looked disturbing. It's people like you who, look the other way that lets a child go home to an abuser, when possibly it could have been prevented. I would call in an istant if I saw something that resembled child abuse. I don't care if causes the parents grief or not. We should NEVER look the other way when we something not right. We have to protect the children. Yes, they are but the zealots who report every thing they see as "possible" abuse do nothing but cause grief to the families (note I said families, not parents - the trauma inflicted on the toddler in this case has him still in therapy) and take the CPS workers away from their real jobs. It's good that you feel you know what I feel or how I react to situations but the truth is, you've never reported a child abuse case in your life. I have. But, before I do, I have to consider if it truly is abuse. The rules aren't different "now a days".
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