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Post by jessika on Apr 1, 2004 16:38:53 GMT -6
There should be more people that think like you Father of Two in Ohio! I applaud you and your intelligence to know that this woman deserves to die.
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Post by Totalll on Apr 1, 2004 17:36:09 GMT -6
yes, Erik is an idiot. She should be tied up outside the courtroom and stoned to death before the trial even begins. Those innocent little kids are gone from this world forever, and the last thing that went through their minds was "mommy, why are you killing me?" and she had them pinned down like some animal unable to get away even as they tried. people, please get a grip. she needs a serious death. i hate her just like I hated Yates.
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Post by jessika on Apr 1, 2004 17:43:19 GMT -6
Rightfully said, Totalll!
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Post by TexasLady on Apr 1, 2004 20:54:30 GMT -6
As a matter of fact my passion for children is doing something for them. I infact volunteer at the homeless shelter, at the abused childrens shelter, and at one of the foster care homes. As for Laney being in a padded room for the rest of her life, I'm all for that, IF she isn't allowed any visitors, no tv, no books, no outside time, no NOTHING. Just her and the padded room. She deserves every one of her privileges taken away, just like she took away her childrens. As for voices.....in her case, that's a cop-out. I guess the voices stopped talking right after she killed her boys. How convenient. My passion is for the children that are alive AND for the children that have died. My passion is to make sure that those held responsible for the deaths of these children, be held accountable for their actions. They should receive nothing less than what their crime was. That's my opinion, and that's what I work towards. I work for the victims, NOT the perpetrators. I'm the voice for the children that don't have a voice anymore. Ah, Jessika. You've just lost whatever credibility you had (if any.) Just a couple of posts above you say you're bipolar but now you're saying you volunteer at children's shelters and foster homes. That's not possible. I actually have done volunteer work and paid work in children's shelters and child advocacy centers. The background checks for both the employees and volunteers is very in depth. Because of the sensitive nature of the clients in these places, they do not allow anyone who's ever been accused of any sort of abuse or who suffer from any sort of mental disorders to work there, in any capacity. It would be a sort of "fox in the henhouse" scenario. So, either you do not suffer from bipolar disorder or you do not volunteer in these places or both. You also list your email address as "jessika_aka_sybil" but Sybil suffered from MPD, not bipolar disorder. You list your location as northern CA and "your" Web address as a child abuse Web site in New York. Anyone who reads your posts from now on (and I won't be one of them) will know you've been exposed for what you really are.
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Post by TexasLady on Apr 1, 2004 21:03:57 GMT -6
Texas Lady i really agree with you on this one.Dee Laney was my Aunt and a very good one at that i understand that she murdered my cousins and i miss them dearly but i cant throw away the 16 years of love and compasion i have shared with her. My cousins are dead now yes and i have had to move on. I feel yes that she does deserve a hard puishment, but killing her what good is that going to do. She needs help and with her alive she will hava to replay the murder of her children over and over in her mind and havign to live with the fact that she did it. What you have to understand is that you always seem to talk bad about the people like this but you will never know how it fills and how it can tare your faimly apart untill it happens to someone you know or someone in your faimly even . You will then have a very different outlook on these situation. THINK ABOUT IT !!!!!!! I LOVE YOU JOSH & LUKE MAY 10,2003 R.I.P YOUR IN MY PRAYERS AUNT DEE TEXTChristin, I'm sorry for your loss. Both of your beloved cousins and your aunt. But, as a supporter of the DP, I have to say that it has nothing to do with whether it would do any good to execute her or not, it has to do with whether or not she meets the criteria for capital murder. She does not, in my opinion. She is legally insane. PPD is a very real disease and it can, unfortunately, cause some very tragic consequences if not treated. I'm not sure if she's claiming PPD or not. She may just be insane. And, I don't believe there's a threat she'll reoffend. That, too, is one of the criteria for the DP. The loss of these children is horrific. The death of any child is terrible but multiplied when at his mother's hand. I hope that Deanna will get the help she needs. She will probably never be able to qualify her actions and will probably never be able to live outside a hospital again. I keep imagining she's going to "wake up" one day and realize what she's done. I can't imagine any worse punishment than that. Perhaps execution would be a kindness. Again, I'm very sorry for your loss.
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Post by Leyli on Apr 1, 2004 22:07:02 GMT -6
Texas Lady,
I believe Jessika was being flippant when she said she was bi-polar (as in: yeah, right, sure, I'm bi-polar.). She clearly stated that she wasn't bi-polar.
Also, in Massachusetts at least (or in the north and mid-west where the people are intelligent) a bi-polar person can work in a children's shelter or any other shelter if they're on medication and they have supervision. I actually know of two people who are mentally handicapped and work as teacher's aides in an elementary school. Just because those in the South have crazy ideas about how minorities, women, and the handicapped should be treated does not mean that the rest of the country shares in those ideals.
I don't understand the relevance of where she lives and where her website is located, either. Prehaps she feels strongly about that website so she listed it? On yahoo I have iabolish.com listed as my personal website (even though I don't own it) because I feel stongly about modern-day-slavery. This does not lower the value of my opinion or change the fact that I, at 19, am more intelligent then you are or will ever be. Don't attack a person's character if you aren't smart enough to understand their comments. Learn English first, darlin', before you insult others.
Anyway, I will say it again, that woman is not insane! She showed rational thought before, during, and after the brutal attacks on her children. Though, anyone in her family who supports her or anyone in America who supports her may be able to claim their insanity....they could probably easily prove it.
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Post by sadie on Apr 2, 2004 8:32:27 GMT -6
""EVERY single woman that wants to become a mother, should have to be evaluated. You know how you have to get a license to get married, the same should go for having children. A lot of children would be saved. Yes, I know that will NEVER happen, but wouldn't it be nice if it would. It's just my belief that you treat people the way you want to be treated, in ALL aspects. I will continue to help those that need it and those that can't help themselves. That is what I am hear for. To be the voice for those that aren't here anymore and for those that are."" i TOTALLY agree with you jessika.
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Post by TexasLady on Apr 2, 2004 9:15:50 GMT -6
Texas Lady, I believe Jessika was being flippant when she said she was bi-polar (as in: yeah, right, sure, I'm bi-polar.). She clearly stated that she wasn't bi-polar. Well, no, she wasn't. Here's the direct quote: I'm on medication for being bipolar, I go crazy at times, yet my three children are ALIVE and happy. I can't believe that there are people like YOU defending women like this.That's not a "yea, right, sure, I'm bipolar" comment. Where did she clearly state she wasn't bipolar? That just adds to the lie, doesn't it? Bipolar (by the way, intelligent as you say you are, there's no hyphen in bipolar) disorder is not a mental handicap. It is a mental illness. Two totally different things. Mentally handicapped people are typically wonderful with children and, as long as they pass the background check, of course they can work with them. But mental illness tends to be very unpredictable. Medication is not taken, taken incorrectly or ineffective and that causes problems for the staff and is potentially harmful to the children. They may let you into the laundry room but they're not going to let you in with the kids. Thank you for saying midwesterners (again, no hyphen) are intelligent. Since I'm originally from MN which is the heart of the midwest, I'll take that as a compliment. Also, Texas is considered the midwest, not the south. My work with children was done in MN which is by far one of the most liberal states in the US. No, they do not let people who have been charged with any sort of abuse (even if they've not been convicted) or who suffer from mental illness work in any sort of children's shelters, advocacy centers or even as "rockers" in the hospital. Perhaps MA doesn't care enough about their children to do background checks. CA sure does - been there, done that. And wasn't MA where Dukakis saw fit to open the prison doors and release the likes of Willie Horton? I'm sure "The Tradition Lives On." The relevance is that it's just another falsehood on her part. This isn't Yahoo! (note the capital letter for the proper noun and the exclamation point which is part of their trademark) but even so, it's just another nail in the coffin. No, but your claim of intelligence coupled with your terrible grammatical and spelling errors sure does. Perhaps you need a retake on that IQ test. Typically I've found that people who tout their intelligence are either really, really ugly and have to say something nice about themselves (even if it's not true but who's going to ask you for the results of you IQ tests?) or stupid but think they look intelligent. People of true intelligence don't usually brag about it. I understand her comments perfectly. As for learning English, see above. Please look up the legal definition of insanity. I'm sure it's written somewhere in layman's terms so you can understand it. It has nothing to do with rational thought before, during or after the crime. Or perhaps you could find it on an old rerun of LA Law.
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Post by TexasLady on Apr 2, 2004 9:22:41 GMT -6
""EVERY single woman that wants to become a mother, should have to be evaluated. You know how you have to get a license to get married, the same should go for having children. A lot of children would be saved. Yes, I know that will NEVER happen, but wouldn't it be nice if it would. It's just my belief that you treat people the way you want to be treated, in ALL aspects. I will continue to help those that need it and those that can't help themselves. That is what I am hear for. To be the voice for those that aren't here anymore and for those that are."" i TOTALLY agree with you jessika. Yes, we all know how stable licensed marriages are. Consider the amount of background checks, home studies, FBI checks, medical checks, psychiatric checks, etc. one has to go through to adopt a child yet that woman in Illinois beat her adopted son to death shortly after she got him home. So, I TOTALLY disagree with Jessika - TOTALLY.
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Post by sadie on Apr 2, 2004 9:34:07 GMT -6
TexasLady you need some help!
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Post by TexasLady on Apr 2, 2004 10:00:13 GMT -6
TexasLady you need some help! I know. Want to send me some money so I can get it?
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Post by Hannah on Apr 2, 2004 11:52:17 GMT -6
Why are you people throwing popshots at one another? It isn't helping anything...
Jessika...you are, in my opinion at least, why to fast to condemn someone. Luckily, in person as on this board you probably are very quick to state your opinion and accordingly would never be put on a jury. It is very irrational to say that every person who commits a violent crime should be executed. Some people honestly have proven, documented, mental illness (schizophrenia and the such) and are not aware of their surroundings. Why would they be executed?
What about abuse victims? Should they be executed if they kill their abuser? What if a child, those you are so quick to protect, was the one who killed his mother and father with a rock? Say he was 8...should he be executed? How about 12? !6? I'd just like to know, in your opinion when it is proper to execute a sane or insane person.
On the other hand, Texas Lady, you are a little snide in your comments. I wouldn't say you are too liberal though, you are too quick to judge the people around you. Jessika, Leyli, Jamie, Cristin, Saide, and you alike are all entitled to their opinion and too state their opinion without being attacked . It isn't logical to think that others are going to agree with or look more closely at your opinion when you are handing out insults.
Leyli, I don't know where in Ma. you live but in Western Mass. you need to pass a strict mental examination and a background examintaion before you can work in a school. I'm currently in college as a secondary ed. major and they wouldn't even let my class in the building to do observations before they ran these tests on us. Maybe it's different in Boston but I doubt it....
Okay...I'm done with this stuff.... so...
I personally don't know if the death penalty is warranted in this particular case because I haven't spoken to the women so I can't make any of my own strict judgements about her sanity (and before I am attacked, no I have no education in the field of mental illness besides a few psychology classes I've taken.).
I don't, however, believe that Deanna Laney is insane simply because of the fact that she hid the rock under the crib and she hid the first boys body from the second one. I know you don't think rational thought determines sanity, TexasLady, but I do. How can a rational person who knows what they are doing while they are doing it claim later that they didn't? By saying that God told her to do it? Or perhaps the neighbors dog? If it were Satan who told her to do it or a gay hamster that told her to do it would she still be insane in the eyes of the nation? Probably more so but, she would be sitting on death row in Texas right after her trial, none-the-less.
I don't agree with the death penalty except in extreme circumstances. I don't believe in sterilizing a woman in any circumstances (unless, of course, she wants to be). With that I do believe if Deanna Laney had any more children or if she came in contact with Aaron again that she would be a serious threat to those children and she would try to harm them...whether God told her to or not is not an issue....I believe she should be either locked up without parole (whether in an instituion or a prison) for life or she should be executed. This woman (just like Andrea Yates, Charles Manson, etc) should never be allowed out where she could hurt other people.
America has sentenced many good people to imprisonment and death, from the Indians and the slaves in the past, Sacco and Vincetti, to Roger Coleman, Mumia Abu-Jamal, Leonel Herrera, the Scotsboro boys and others who didn't deserve to die. However, Charles Manson, O.J Simpson, Andrea Yates, and now Deanna Laney will never recieve true punishment for the crimes they have committed. All four, in my opinion, deserve to die for the crimes they have committed and to prevent the crimes they will commit against others in the future.
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Post by Erik on Apr 2, 2004 12:10:26 GMT -6
I wood like too award teh most smart award to Texas Lady becuase she reelly seems to no how to spell stuff and right stuff good. All I no is that I do NOT like plan of killing people for doing somwthing wrong. I think Mrs. Laney was very crazy at the time of her crime and she was not thinking that what she was doing was wrong and she did feel that God was telling her to do it so if she did it that way then she shoud be helped and not killed.
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Post by TexasLady on Apr 2, 2004 12:37:34 GMT -6
Why are you people throwing popshots at one another? It isn't helping anything... I do it because it's fun. Jessika, et al do it because they think it makes them look intelligent. Probably, but again, it's fun. I'm more likely to dish back what I've been given, though. Usually I'm a pretty nice person but when someone starts telling me how much they know, how much more intelligent they are than the rest of the world or how I'm in need of help, I just can't resist. I don't tolerate blatant liars, though. They're off my reading list as soon as they're caught. Jessika and her all girl orchestra (Jessika is only one of her logins here - can you say "IP address?") just got boring saying the same thing over and over again so I exposed her for what she is. There are strict guidelines to define the legal definition of insanity. The legal definition must be there so that what you think or what I think is irrelevant. The legal definition states that the perpetrator must not know what they're doing is wrong. Doesn't matter if she heard voices or who's voice it was, even Bruce, the gay hamster. It doesn't matter if she's insane in the eyes of the nation, it only matters if she's insane in the eyes of the law. Not only did she not think it was wrong, she thought it was right. The prosecuting attorneys are so convinced she will be found legally insane they're not even seeking the DP. We're talking Texas prosecutors who will seek the DP any time they can (they did seek the DP for Andrea Yates.) I doubt she'll ever be released from the rubber rooms. There's no LWOP in Texas. Only life which has a mandatory 40 years served before eligible for parole. I don't think she'd ever hurt another child but, again, what I think and what you think doesn't matter. It only matters what the judge and jury think. I'm not sure why you put Charles Manson in there. He never killed anyone, you know. Again, Charles Manson never killed anyone. Why would you want to execute him? He's just a good, old family man who never did anyone any harm. Mumia, on the other hand, is guilty as sin but he's not dead, you know. His sentence was commuted. Herrera tried to blame his dead brother for his crimes - that was his big proof of innocence that no one ever heard about. None of the Scotsboro Boys were executed and I'm not sure how they have any bearing here. Also, it was over 70 years ago.
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Post by Hannah on Apr 2, 2004 12:48:31 GMT -6
No the Scotsboro boys weren't executed but they were innocent and convicted. Same goes for Mumia. Herrerra was innocent...at least I believe so. As for Charles Manson, I'll assume you're joking, he should've recieved the death penalty because though he didn't hold the knife he was responsible for the murders....just like Saddam Hussein or Hitler never (to my knowledge) physically killed anyone....but you know Saddam will be and Hitler would've been executed.
The nation's opinions do matter because 12 members of the nation are sitting on that woman's jury right now and they will decide what happens to her. Hopefully, they'll send her away for life since they can't kill her.
As for the rest, I'll just quietly disagree with you.
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Post by jessika on Apr 2, 2004 13:28:11 GMT -6
Now I know I'm corresponding with a bunch of idiots....Texas Lady. Yes, lying about being bipolar is such a cool thing to do. Why in the hell would I lie about being bipolar? Let me tell you the two medications I'm taking...Lamictal-200mg at night and zoloft-100 in the morning. Zoloft for depression and Lamictal for my bipolar. Get educated. You're just pissed because you know I'm right, you know Laney should die.
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Post by jessika on Apr 2, 2004 13:32:41 GMT -6
Ahh Texas Lady, do you really think I would put the shelter where I volunteer at on this? What my goal is, is to protect the abused children. Exposed for what I really am? Yes, I'm a bipolar, a wonderful mother, a hard worker, among other things. As for the Sybil comment, everyone knows she suffered from MP. I've read the book. What amazes me is that you actually think that someone would lie about being bipolar, like its a great thing to have. You're pathetic.
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Post by jessika on Apr 2, 2004 13:36:04 GMT -6
Oh and as for my volunteer work, you CAN volunteer when you are bipolar, that's discrimination if they don't let you. Go study some more. You don't seem to know much. And instead of wasting your breath on me, why don't you go and work towards what you believe in...letting murderers live.
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Post by jessika on Apr 2, 2004 13:37:40 GMT -6
As for the website, it's not my personal website, you dumb ass, it's one that I go to and research on and donate to.
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Post by jessika on Apr 2, 2004 13:49:29 GMT -6
One more thing, Texas Lady.....It's fun to argue and make fun of people? Grow up. I've wasted enough time defending the innocent with you. You have your opinion I have mine. As to who is smarter...no one will ever know unless we take an IQ test. I will go on and support the VICTIMS, and you can go on and support the MURDERERS. Good luck to you.
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Post by jamie on Apr 2, 2004 14:27:05 GMT -6
Jessika:""EVERY single woman that wants to become a mother, should have to be evaluated. You know how you have to get a license to get married, the same should go for having children. A lot of children would be saved. "
People need drivers licenses to drive, yet people break the laws while driving and sometimes they even kill people.
Marriage licenses. Many people get married then are beaten and killed by their spouses. Many spouse that never showed any violence before the wedding.
If you were screened before children do you think that you would ahve been given the all clear to procreated?
What would be your criteria for the license to be issued? Andrea Yates and Deanna Laney had NO mental health history before they had children. So your little plan would not have worked for these children.
If your planw as in place and those children died under your watch then YOU should be executed.
I wouldn't wait for a thought out and honest reply. I'll just wait for your regular hyperbole.
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Post by JESSIKA on Apr 2, 2004 14:54:19 GMT -6
Yes, if my plan failed, then yes, I should be executed. I would share some of the responsibility. As for the driving...yes it is similar to murdering your child....give me a break. And as for having no mental illness BEFORE they had children and then all of the sudden they do after they have children is ridiculous. It's just plain not true. I'm sorry, but you will never convince me that I should feel for Laney, Yates or Smith. I feel for the children. I feel for them while their heads were being bashed in, while they were being drowned...those were slow, painful deaths. It makes me sick to know how much they suffered. And it makes me sick to know that their murderers will get off or life just because they claim to be ill. It's not fair. It's not fair to the children. Everyone wants to bash each other on here, when the real concern is the children. True, I started it by being angry at people that are defending Laney, but it sickens me. To feel any compassion for a woman like that makes no sense to me at all. But my opinion is my opinion, my beliefs are my own. I have a right to them just as you do. But I will continue my fight for the kids, and I will continue my fight to put those kinds of peope, Laney, Yates and Smith behind bars on death row. It's where they belong. They should never see the light of day, just like their children won't. We're wasting a lot of time and money defending someone that shouldn't be defended. I don't think people like you, Jamie, really feel for the children. I think you just agree that it's horrible, but they're dead and now it's time to feel for the murderer. It's sick. Just because those children aren't alive, doesn't mean we should stop caring. They're lives were taken from them, now it's our time to see that their perpetrators are held responsible.
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Post by TexasLady on Apr 2, 2004 14:54:21 GMT -6
No the Scotsboro boys weren't executed but they were innocent and convicted. Same goes for Mumia. Herrerra was innocent...at least I believe so. As for Charles Manson, I'll assume you're joking, he should've recieved the death penalty because though he didn't hold the knife he was responsible for the murders....just like Saddam Hussein or Hitler never (to my knowledge) physically killed anyone....but you know Saddam will be and Hitler would've been executed. The nation's opinions do matter because 12 members of the nation are sitting on that woman's jury right now and they will decide what happens to her. Hopefully, they'll send her away for life since they can't kill her. As for the rest, I'll just quietly disagree with you. Yes, I was joking about Charles Manson. He should have been executed but, unfortunately, he fell into that period of time during the moratorium on death sentences. I don't think Saddam will be executed but that remains to be seen. He's a waste of good oxygen. As for the Scotsboro boys, no, it wasn't right but it was a different time. The 1930s were not a good time for anyone, especially blacks in the south. And Herrera, it was the opinion of the judge, jury, every judge on appeals, including the Supreme Court justices, that he was guilty. His "proof of innocence" was not proof of anything. But you are entitled to your opinion. Mumia's just plain guilty as sin. And as for the pot shots, they threw the first bombs, I'm sending them back...and yes, I enjoyed it. But they're boring now so I won't be reading or responding to them again.
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Post by jamie on Apr 2, 2004 15:09:48 GMT -6
jessika- I am pointing out that these systems are in place but they prevent NOTHING.
Would you have been "ok'ed under your system for having children even though you have a mental illness? When did your illness become symptomatic?
I went through extreme postpartum depression after my second child. I was way to close to hurting my child if not killing her. Why didn't I completely snap? I have no idea. Was I just a bit stronger then my sudden illness than Yates or Laney? I guess so. But this is where I learned what it really means that anything can happen.
By calling for Laney's blood you do nothing to help prevent this from happening again,
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Post by JESSIKA on Apr 2, 2004 15:14:53 GMT -6
If you had of killed your daughter, then you should be put to death, but that's not the discussion. PD does NOT give a woman reason to kill. I'm sorry. That's plain *bullcrap*. Maybe, if you came that close to killing your daughter, that you should not have your daughter.
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Post by jamie on Apr 2, 2004 15:27:18 GMT -6
Lamictal loses its effectiveness after awhile who knows what will happen to your children if you go off manic.
You are vicious and ignorant. I feel for your children.
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Post by jessika on Apr 2, 2004 15:36:24 GMT -6
The truth hurts, doesn't it? Thanks for looking up my meds for me. I'll be sure to tell my doctor. And for once I don't mean that in a sarcastic way. As for feeling for my children, is it because they're alive? Why don't you take some of those feelings and gear it towards Luke and Joshua and Aaron. They need it more than mine do.
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Post by jessika on Apr 2, 2004 15:39:56 GMT -6
Oh, and as for me being vicious, only when it comes to those who think that there's an excuse to kill your children. It angers me to no end. I can't help the way I feel, just like you can't. But, I'll save my viciousness for Laney. You didn't kill her kids she did. My anger is directed at her from now on. There's no point in arguing with you.
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Post by jamie on Apr 2, 2004 15:40:02 GMT -6
If you are the voice ofthe children. The children are in trouble. You can't see straight.
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Post by jessika on Apr 2, 2004 15:43:47 GMT -6
You feel sorry for the children if I'm the voice....? You're the one that was so close to hurting your daughter, maybe even kill her... And I'm the one that can't see straight. Yes, I'm the one that can't see straight. Never have I EVER looked at my child and wanted to hurt them. I feel sorry for your daughter, she should be warned. And these insults are pointless. We're losing our sight on what's important to us. To me, it's the children, to you it's the murderers....let's leave it at that.
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