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Post by lawrence on Oct 3, 2008 2:06:01 GMT -6
Fish, agreed with most of your comments if not all. Ive mentioned most of what you said in the past on a couple of threads. My argument with Cali was not what he wrote or suggested it was how he wrote it and how that sounded as a direct attack on my country and as you know we dont take that lightly especially from Bullies. I was absolutely shocked with Cali that he never dropped the Winston Churchill US connection before , that suprised me. I just dont take lightly to anyone no matter who they are or where they are from attcking my little island. Its my home. I love it and i will never back down to bullies, my old man taught me never to be afraid of the dark, if you cant see it dont fear it and always hit the biggest bloke first. Reason being, one, he will think your a complete nutter or two, you will get *your rear* kicked, better to go down fighting then living on your knees. We have as a nation never done that and never will. Thanks anyway for the post. You know i have huge respect for you guys but im also a brit and like you lot who were born of British blood, sorry had to get that one in, we dont give into bullies. I felt Cali was being a bully. However saying that, i was out of order and have apologised to him.
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Oct 3, 2008 10:01:47 GMT -6
Lawrence, people that blew up jetliners, busses, and murdered an old man in a wheelchair on a cruse ship are acceptable people to govern a state?
Damn.
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Post by lawrence on Oct 4, 2008 1:44:19 GMT -6
Elric read what i said, im trying to explain the word terrorist as to freedom fighter. A freedom fighter depending on your point of view is somebody who fights against a governing regime, not civilians. Those scumers who flew the planes into the towers are freedom fighters to the radrical islamists, not to all of islam who like us just want to live a normal life. To me those people were terrorists, get what i mean. It all depends on what you believe, where you live and what you think, hence the expression, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. A terrorist to me is someone who has a political belief and uses armed struggle as a way of defending their actions against any target including civilian. A freedom fighter does not use civilians as targets but attacks only government targets, buildings and depts and their law enforcement officers, i.e polise and Armed Forces. I hope that answered your question.
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Oct 5, 2008 17:38:50 GMT -6
It says one thing Lawrence, but I would stand them up against a wall, be they "Freedom Fighters" or terrorists.
Then I would shoot them.
People that want REAL change vote.
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Post by lawrence on Oct 6, 2008 5:11:39 GMT -6
Elric, im a Brit and you may want to remember 1776, the Crown at that time thought you rebels were terrorists, not freedom fighters? hope that explians it a little better. Its all about what you believe and what you think and where you live. No all colonials at that time thought the rebels were doing good, it was the crown, you dont fight the crown. Bollocks. I dont think George washington would agree with you. We did put a lot of you guys up against a wall Elric, not far from Bunker Hill when we shot all the academy pipils at west point. Were they freedom fighters or were they terrorists? its the same thing.
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Post by lawrence on Oct 6, 2008 8:22:36 GMT -6
You right about the vote though. Obama, Obama, Obama, did any of you watch that VP debate, Oh my god, that woman got slaughtered it was like watching a politcal david and Goliath but this time Goliath won. Palin, im sorry after those remarks about Obama and terrorist connections because he dared to speak to a guy who used terrorism as a way of fighting his corner. My god, how many more gaff is that woman going to be aloud to make. That was just a major polital gaff. She lost a lot of respect there. I said this would get dirty didnt i. Man i wished we had this sort of politics when it came to our General Elections. Its great entertainment. One thing about Palin, she could never be called boring , what a lunatic, hot or not, she is a liability.
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Oct 6, 2008 10:48:16 GMT -6
If they were cadets, they were students. And not everyone was in favor of the Revolution. There were people that were in favor of the current situation and there were people that wished the Parlement would have given us representation, which is what we wanted. We wanted a say in how our tax money was being spent.
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Post by lawrence on Oct 7, 2008 1:51:38 GMT -6
I know that, but, these colonials at that time which took up arms "Were they freedom fighters or terrorists"?
I suspect that to many on the side of freedom and self rule they were freedom fighters. To those who supported the crown they were terrorists. See what im getting at? its all to do with where you live, what you believe and what you think is right. My original argument with cali which got out of hand was that not all Muslims see bin dickhead as their saviour. Very few do, in todays modern world were news is a 24/7 show and extremely quick i feel helps fuel the fires of islamic fundamentalism. Al Jazeer for instance, they always support what these terrorist groups do to western targets and the military. This propaganda then goes out to the majority of people in the middle east who watch it and the easily influenced and Vunerable are then recruited to fight the cause so to speak.
They see themselves as fighters against the decadent west and are brainwashed to think that all of us "incorpororated within their religious teaching by hateful mullars" including woman and chilkdren are targets. They call themselfs freedom fighters, we call them terrorists.
But i will say this and its true, despite what may seem as a mssive influx of Muslims into the Uk, the vast majority just want to live a peaceful life within our hard fought democracy, get a job, an education, be able to start a business if they so wish and live in a society where democracy (true democray rules). In both our countries and all the democracies around the world it is a right for a person to say what they like, do what they feel is right(within the law) and go where they like unhindered and in safety. They can wear what they like, speak how they like and live how they like. Its whats great about it. Some say its multi culruralism. I think personally its asking for trouble. But thats mainly down to ignorance and fear from both sides of the devide. My argument about this and ive said it all along is this. If people want to live in our country they must have at least a basic understanding of our language, be able to read and write in our language and have a mimiaml understanding of our culture. If they do not accept those conditions then i have no sympathy for them if they find our life style corrupt, filthy, or disgusting to them. I dont agree with enclaves, i dont agree with no go areas for whites,m blacks, Asians, Arabs etc. Live in our country by our rules, if not sod off. I treat all as individuals and as they treat me, show me respect and tolerance and i will show them respect and tolerance. Dump on my country and i will show them the sole of my size 9 feet up their butt. But i am most certainly not afraid of Islam anymore then i am of Jews, Hindus, christians of which i am one and any other religious group.
Fear breeds ignorance and misunderstanding and there is anough shyte in this world without hating someone because they are different. I cant understand people like that and neither do i wish to know them.
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Post by lawrence on Oct 7, 2008 8:16:05 GMT -6
How cool is this. Just been to my weekly meeting with my boss, lasted 40 minutes, came back to my office and a brand new spanking computer has been set up and laid there for me. Bless. All i need now is some compfy bum seats and a coffee perculator and im well away. God i love my job. Thats it, im off home. Its 15.09 and im going home, another long tiring and very productive day completed.
Take care all, be good, be safe and be nice.
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Oct 7, 2008 9:39:13 GMT -6
That is what most people want in the US. A chance to make money, have a place to live, and a chance to be what you want. Where there is a system of laws and protection for you and your family. That is what most people want. Idiots was to destroy that to make it into THEIR image of the world, where, in the words of Thomas Hobbs, life is brutish and short.
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Post by lawrence on Oct 8, 2008 0:34:50 GMT -6
Elric, you still have not answered my original question, are they terrorists or freedom fighters. hence my expression. You reply to my thread with "do i think its acceptable for people to fly planes into building and kill a guy in wheelchair"? the answer is absolutely not. But to those who support what Bin dickhead is doing they think they are freedom fighters.
Thankfully very few Muslims actually believe that. Soon you will have a new President and after watching last night debate i am Hoping for Obama, then perhaps your foreign policy will change, you will regain the respect that Bush has destroyed and once again become the worlds leader in regards to freedom, liberty and justice. Its not just a home grown thing. All peoples of the world want that but some are unfortunately governed by those who do support groups that fly planes into buildings. Patience, determination, cunning and grit are called for here. Its the only way to defeat them, Militarily, Afghanistan is not going to be won, it can be controlled but it wont be won like Iraq, if you think we won that. We need to get out, totally out, no camps, no influence, nothing and soon otherwise we will be perceived as occupiers. We didn't go in for that.
We all want to live in peace but sometimes we have to fight for it, that doesn't mean destroying another country whereby the whole population suffers. Destroy the government with policies, embargoes, economic sanctions, politically treat them as pariahs, alienate them. It will take longer but this way our people don't get hurt and it breeds decent and revolution. Rather that then war, all that does is breed hate and fear. Its that what recruits suicide bombers, the venerable and the easily lead.
This is just my opinion.
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Oct 8, 2008 9:14:52 GMT -6
The supporters of a terrorist leader like bin @sshat are terrorists. In for a penny, in for a pound...or is it a Euro...
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Post by Felix2 on Oct 8, 2008 9:30:35 GMT -6
The supporters of a terrorist leader like bin @sshat are terrorists. In for a penny, in for a pound...or is it a Euro... Waht twaddle, how many terrorists has America supported and indeed swawned when it has suited their rather narrow short term interests. Thats exactly why this type of twaddel is not taken seriously coming from American because as a nation you're probably the least best placed to be trying to occupy the high moral ground.
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Oct 8, 2008 10:57:01 GMT -6
I am just a person, i am not our government.
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Post by lawrence on Oct 9, 2008 0:28:48 GMT -6
Like you said Elric, you can vote so vote and get McCain and his pig with lipstick sent to the dog house. For your own sake i hope to christ you lot vote for Obama. You need to change and quick.
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Oct 9, 2008 10:10:57 GMT -6
Actually, Lawrence, I do not like either mcain or obama. I have decided to vote for Cthulu. Why settle for the lessor of 2 evils when i can have ALL i want.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2008 17:01:23 GMT -6
The supporters of a terrorist leader like bin @sshat are terrorists. In for a penny, in for a pound...or is it a Euro... Waht twaddle, how many terrorists has America supported and indeed swawned when it has suited their rather narrow short term interests. Thats exactly why this type of twaddel is not taken seriously coming from American because as a nation you're probably the least best placed to be trying to occupy the high moral ground. Exactly!
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Post by Californian on Oct 9, 2008 18:28:36 GMT -6
Waht twaddle, how many terrorists has America supported and indeed swawned when it has suited their rather narrow short term interests. Thats exactly why this type of twaddel is not taken seriously coming from American because as a nation you're probably the least best placed to be trying to occupy the high moral ground. Exactly! St. Franklin and friend.
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Post by Donnie on Oct 26, 2008 13:21:24 GMT -6
My god, how many more gaff is that woman going to be aloud to make. Not as many as Biden already made in the debate. Just because the press won't report them doesn't mean that they didn't happen.
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