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Post by RickZ on Jan 9, 2008 9:22:52 GMT -6
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Post by johnbgraf on Sept 15, 2008 16:48:28 GMT -6
Rickz, your research is interesting.As an American I understand that the US Constitution allows Americans the ability for religious freeedoms.Its is a God our given right, but in the search for truth, one must as himself/herself, is Islam right for any individual?
Do we accept Islam freely? Or must its secrets, and hidden agenda be brought to light before our legal system succumbs the death grip of its tyranical distruction?
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Post by lawrence on Sept 16, 2008 9:25:28 GMT -6
Dudes, what is this a little gang in the corner of the playground. Islam like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and what ever, all our great religions and all contribute to this little planets civilizations. hidden agenda's and secrets? hello. I think a few little ignorants have paralyzed you thoughts. Look past the hate that a very small minority of scum in all religions have and you will see it for what it is to 95% of the worlds populations. A comfort to turn too when down and miserable. Don't let a few scumbags alter your way of thinking. Islam is not the enemy, its the scum behind it. But we have them in all religions. By talking that way you alienate people and turn them against you. Thats exactly what these fundamentalists want you to do. Hate back and then the normal Muslims like you and me who just want to get with life see you as the enemy. Don't let them do that to you, if you do you become what they are. Dick-heads and ignoramuses.
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Post by lawrence on Sept 16, 2008 9:27:15 GMT -6
That was supposed to say normal Muslims, people like you and me, sorry. on my way home, in a hurry.
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Post by SkyLoom on Sept 18, 2008 13:32:32 GMT -6
Dudes, what is this a little gang in the corner of the playground. Islam like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and what ever, all our great religions and all contribute to this little planets civilizations. hidden agenda's and secrets? hello. I think a few little ignorants have paralyzed you thoughts. Look past the hate that a very small minority of scum in all religions have and you will see it for what it is to 95% of the worlds populations. A comfort to turn too when down and miserable. Don't let a few scumbags alter your way of thinking. Islam is not the enemy, its the scum behind it. But we have them in all religions. By talking that way you alienate people and turn them against you. Thats exactly what these fundamentalists want you to do. Hate back and then the normal Muslims like you and me who just want to get with life see you as the enemy. Don't let them do that to you, if you do you become what they are. Dick-heads and ignoramuses. Well said, Lawrence! Islam is NOT the enemy any more that Christianity is the enemy. Some Islamic individuals are enemies, just as some Christian individuals are enemies, but that fact should not make us turn against an entire group. To do that would be to give in to irrational bigotry and prejudice.
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Post by ltdc on Sept 18, 2008 16:59:49 GMT -6
Dudes, what is this a little gang in the corner of the playground. Islam like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and what ever, all our great religions and all contribute to this little planets civilizations. hidden agenda's and secrets? hello. I think a few little ignorants have paralyzed you thoughts. Look past the hate that a very small minority of scum in all religions have and you will see it for what it is to 95% of the worlds populations. A comfort to turn too when down and miserable. Don't let a few scumbags alter your way of thinking. Islam is not the enemy, its the scum behind it. But we have them in all religions. By talking that way you alienate people and turn them against you. Thats exactly what these fundamentalists want you to do. Hate back and then the normal Muslims like you and me who just want to get with life see you as the enemy. Don't let them do that to you, if you do you become what they are. Dick-heads and ignoramuses. Well said, Lawrence! Islam is NOT the enemy any more that Christianity is the enemy. Some Islamic individuals are enemies, just as some Christian individuals are enemies, but that fact should not make us turn against an entire group. To do that would be to give in to irrational bigotry and prejudice. you're right. but what makes me think you wouldn't carry this same "broad brush" condemnation to include republicans or the NRA
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Post by Californian on Sept 18, 2008 21:35:28 GMT -6
Normal Muslims. Riiiiiggghhht! ;D
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Post by lawrence on Sept 19, 2008 2:29:43 GMT -6
Cali, your outrageous . You know the score. Talking of score. are you ready for another ass kicking on the golf course by us Euro=weenies , dont you just know your going to get *your rear* whipped
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 22, 2008 15:25:06 GMT -6
Cali, your outrageous . You know the score. Talking of score. are you ready for another ass kicking on the golf course by us Euro=weenies , dont you just know your going to get *your rear* whipped didn't quite work out that way, did it? must suck to be wrong on both counts. you need a basic course in what islam is lad. the reality is that islam is nothing more than the hallucinations of a pedophile who liked to screw nine year old girls. the PRIMARY tenets of this cult is world conquest by the sword, and the subjugation of women. there is NOTHING peaceful about it in any way, shape, or form.
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Post by lawrence on Sept 23, 2008 2:08:56 GMT -6
Absolutley got it wrong with the golf and i have eaten humble pie, but i am not wrong on Islam or any other major religion on this planet. islam has a bad press at the moment because of a few scumbags that hide behind its preaching and lessons. Your attitude towards in the general context is exactly why these scumbags hate us. personally, i wouldnt give them the airspace, i wouldnt show their attacks on the news, the papers or radio, nothing. Ignore them but in the shadows, hunt them and destroy them. Its not islam im worried about its people like you who sprout crap. Islam is no different from christianity or any other major religion. Its been hijacked by a few scumbags. Because of what you hear in the news or the sensationalist papers you think all muslims are scum?. Have you ever been to a middle eastern country and met any muslims, eat with them, with their families , been welcomed into their home and given their last food because they want to make a good impression. Gave you their last water because they dont want you to go thirsty. Dont tar them all with the same brush my friend, If you do then you sound like the islamic fundamentalists who shyte on us yet have not been to our countries, met our people or felt our hospitality. Ignorance breeds ignorance and hate breeds hate.
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Post by Californian on Sept 23, 2008 22:26:19 GMT -6
islam has a bad press at the moment... Ya don't say? A multiple-choice quiz that tests your memory of Islam's crimes against the United States of America. #1 In 1968 who assassinated Robert Kennedy? (a) Abbie Hoffman (b) Tiny Tim (c) Charles Manson (d) Muslim male extremist between the age of 17 and 40 #2 In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by: (a) Olga Korbett (b) Sitting Bull (c) Arnold Schwarzenegger (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 #3 In 1979,the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by: (a) Lost Norwegians (b) Elvis (c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 #4 During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by: (a) John Dillinger (b) The King of Sweden (c) The Boy Scouts (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 #5 In 1981, Pope John Paul II was shot 4 times in an assasination attempt by: (Updated by ROPMA Reader Michele.) (a) Christopher Columbus (b) Gene Simmons of "KISS" (c) Vlad the Impaler, (d) Muslim male extremists between the age of 17 and 40. (Name: Mehmet Ali Hagca) #5 In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by: (a) A Domino's pizza delivery boy (b) Pee Wee Herman (c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40. #6 In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by: (a) The Smurfs (b) Davy Jones (c) The Little Mermaid (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40. #7 In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by: (a) Captain Kidd (b) Charles Lindbergh (c) Mother Teresa (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 #8 In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by: (a) Scooby Doo (b) The Tooth Fairy (c) Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid with dynamite left over from the train job. (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 ** Update - Libya Accepted Responsibility. Libya is a Muslim country. ** #9 In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by: (a) Richard Simmons (b) Grandma Moses (c) Michael Jordan (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 #10 In 1996 19 Americans were killed and hundreds more woulded at the U.S. Military complex at Khobar Towers, Saudi Arabia because of attacks by: (Update by ROPMA Reader Steven K.) (a) The Verizon Guy (Can you hear me now?) (b) Domino's Pizza "noid" (c)Clinton Administration Secretary of State Madeline Albright (d)Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 #11 In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by: (a) Mr. Rogers (b) Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems (c) The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain: "Mustapha the Merciless" (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 #12 In 2000, The USS Cole was attacked and more than 15 American Sailors were killed by: (a) David Letterman (b) Shaquille O'Neil (c) The Cookie Monster (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 #13 On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were killed by: (a) Bugs Bunny, Wile Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd (b) The Supreme Court of Florida (c) Mr. Bean (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 #14 In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against: (a) Enron (b) The Lutheran Church (c) The NFL (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 #15 In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by: (a) Bonny and Clyde (b) Captain Kangaroo (c) Billy Graham (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 #16 In 2001 Phillipene Missionaries Gracia and Martin Burnham were kidnapped, held for over a year, and Martin subsequently killed by: (a) Mr. Rogers (b) Scooby Doo & Shaggy (c) Ronald Reagan (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 #17 On July 4th 2002, 2 Innocent Airline Passengers Were Killed, And 3 Others Injured at the ticket counter of El Al Airlines in the LAX International terminal by: (a) Hulk Hogan after losing the WWF Title (b) The cast of Monty Python (c) Senator Lil' Tommy Daschle (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 41 #18 On July 31st 2002 5 Americans were killed by a Palestinian HAMAS bomber in Jerusalem while attending school by: (a) The US Congress (b) The Tooth Fairy (c) The Easter Bunny (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40 #19 On October 12th 2002 more than 200 innocent civilians (including 200 Australians and 5 Americans) were brutally murdered by: (a) Kermit the Frog & Miss Piggy (b) Bert & Ernie from Sesame Street (c) Charles Barkley (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 41 #20 On October 29th 2002 more than 700 Moscow theatre goers were taken hostage and threatened with execution by: (a) Royal Canadian Mounted Police (b) Laurie Dhue of Fox News Channel (c) Phil Donahue, of MSNBC, pissed because Fox News is kicking his ass (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 41 #21 This Quiz, Humorous While Still Being Factual In Nature Offends Mostly: (a) Democrats, Who Seek To Impose A Politically Correct Mentality That Will Get Us All Killed (b) Terrorist Sympathizers (c) Terrorists Osama Bin Laden, Musab Al-Zarqawi & Their Evil Minions (d) All Of The Above Scoring The Quiz 1-5 Answers of "D" - You're a novice on the topic of terrorism, and likely to be killed by an Islamic Terrorist. 6-10 Answers of "D" - You have some knowledge of terrorism, but have lots of studying to do. 11-15 Answers of "D" - You're knowledgeable on the topic of terrorism, but need to brush up on current events. 16-20 Answers of "D" - You're a terrorism expert. It's likely the CIA could use your talents.
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Post by lawrence on Sept 25, 2008 2:46:57 GMT -6
Cali, you have far too much time on your hands. I could counter all that you've wrote by throwing at you all the political f*** up yours and our governments have done since the second world war regarding our overseas foreign policy. You could even argue that some of the attacks on us were caused by our governments lack of feelings, concerns and respect for the Arab states, in particular the Palestinians but thats another argument. You know as an ex squaddie, hate breeds hate and ignorance blames ignorance. I like any like minded person want these murdering scum brought to book and i wouldn't lose any sleep if Bin Raghead laden was wasted along with his entire family. My point, and you know this to be true, even hiding behind all the crap you right is this, most normal self respecting Muslims hate this guy as much as you or me. Not just for the trouble he is causing on their behalf, but because of him using Islam to justify his aims. They just want to raise their kids, go to work and get laid. They have a different culture to us, they are different in many ways but to tar them all with the same brush? Trust me, this is also a question i would ask of any Muslim who has never been to the UK or the States. How can you hate someone if you have never met them, enjoyed their hospitality or lived amongst their culture. I don't blame them anymore then i blame our respective overseas policies for what were doing in regards to propping up Arab royal families, I'm not stupid, its because of oil. But that doesn't mean were not guilty of more then this indirectly. I don't give a shyte about a few ragheads who are determined to hate us, you get them everywhere in every religion. All I'm saying is were not totally blameless here. I'm not defending them neither am i arguing against the long term policies of our respective governments dealing with our national interests in respect to energy supplies etc. All I'm saying is this, hate breeds hate, and ignorance breeds ignorance. As a traveled man i didn't expect such an insular and ignorant attitude. I expected better from you. I also know that your reply will be, "im please to have dissapointed you"?. The thing is your not, your just being a typical isolationist yank who reads what he reads and believes it all. The sad thing is this, your an intelligent guy, your not stupid. I for one wouldnt have put you in the same league as iamjumbo and morons like him.
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Post by Felix2 on Sept 25, 2008 2:52:36 GMT -6
Cali, you have far too much time on your hands. I could counter all that you've wrote by throwing at you all the political f*** up yours and our governments have done since the second world war regarding our overseas foreign policy. You could even argue that some of the attacks on us were caused by our governments lack of feelings, concerns and respect for the Arab states, in particular the Palestinians but thats another argument. You know as an ex squaddie, hate breeds hate and ignorance blames ignorance. I like any like minded person want these murdering scum brought to book and i wouldn't lose any sleep if Bin Raghead laden was wasted along with his entire family. My point, and you know this to be true, even hiding behind all the crap you right is this, most normal self respecting Muslims hate this guy as much as you or me. Not just for the trouble he is causing on their behalf, but because of him using Islam to justify his aims. They just want to raise their kids, go to work and get laid. They have a different culture to us, they are different in many ways but to tar them all with the same brush? Trust me, this is also a question i would ask of any Muslim who has never been to the UK or the States. How can you hate someone if you have never met them, enjoyed their hospitality or lived amongst their culture. I don't blame them anymore then i blame our respective overseas policies for what were doing in regards to propping up Arab royal families, I'm not stupid, its because of oil. But that doesn't mean were not guilty of more then this indirectly. I don't give a shyte about a few ragheads who are determined to hate us, you get them everywhere in every religion. All I'm saying is were not totally blameless here. I'm not defending them neither am i arguing against the long term policies of our respective governments dealing with our national interests in respect to energy supplies etc. All I'm saying is this, hate breeds hate, and ignorance breeds ignorance. As a traveled man i didn't expect such an insular and ignorant attitude. I expected better from you. I also know that your reply will be, "im please to have dissapointed you"?. The thing is your not, your just being a typical isolationist yank who reads what he reads and believes it all. The sad thing is this, your an intelligent guy, your not stupid. I for one wouldnt have put you in the same league as iamjumbo and morons like him. Dont worry about Cali lawrence, I will pm Mel to come and trear a strip off him, he always goes running when she shows up, I think he is terrified of her wrath! ;D
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Post by Felix2 on Sept 25, 2008 3:00:21 GMT -6
Cali, your outrageous . You know the score. Talking of score. are you ready for another ass kicking on the golf course by us Euro=weenies , dont you just know your going to get *your rear* whipped didn't quite work out that way, did it? must suck to be wrong on both counts. you need a basic course in what islam is lad. the reality is that islam is nothing more than the hallucinations of a pedophile who liked to screw nine year old girls. the PRIMARY tenets of this cult is world conquest by the sword, and the subjugation of women. there is NOTHING peaceful about it in any way, shape, or form. What you just said sounds good on the surface but the problem is what do you offer instead? After all, all the rest of the World has seen is American responses in war that overrides any human consideration or even human rights legislation. Is that the compelling alternative to a Violent religion that Bush has to offer? And how many do you think will take up on it?
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Post by lawrence on Sept 25, 2008 3:00:57 GMT -6
It baffles Me Felix, the guys not stupid yet he acts like a idiot and ignoramous, he is niether, hes a traveled man. Yet hes writes such crap.
All i would say to him is this regarding Islam. To conquer fear is the begining of wisdom, Knowledge come but wisdom lingers
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Post by Felix2 on Sept 25, 2008 3:09:01 GMT -6
It baffles Me Felix, the guys not stupid yet he acts like a idiot and ignoramous, he is niether, hes a traveled man. Yet hes writes such crap. All i would say to him is this regarding Islam. To conquer fear is the begining of wisdom, Knowledge come but wisdom lingers If Rick really believe that this is the real adjenda of Islam, then I have to concede I fully would understand his response to that adjenda seems to be the only rational one. My dilemma is this, as I understand it, there is a difference between mainstream Islam and militant Islam. In Europe this is the line we are told, Rick seems to be of the opinion that Militant Islam is all that there is and any suggestion that they are just an extreme faction form the mainstream is a misunderstanding. I freankly dont know what the truth is. But if I had clear irrefutable evidence that what Rick says is correct I'd be inclinded to think his response is entirely understandable?
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Post by Felix2 on Sept 25, 2008 3:15:35 GMT -6
Cali, you have far too much time on your hands. I could counter all that you've wrote by throwing at you all the political f*** up yours and our governments have done since the second world war regarding our overseas foreign policy. You could even argue that some of the attacks on us were caused by our governments lack of feelings, concerns and respect for the Arab states, in particular the Palestinians but thats another argument. You know as an ex squaddie, hate breeds hate and ignorance blames ignorance. I like any like minded person want these murdering scum brought to book and i wouldn't lose any sleep if Bin Raghead laden was wasted along with his entire family. My point, and you know this to be true, even hiding behind all the crap you right is this, most normal self respecting Muslims hate this guy as much as you or me. Not just for the trouble he is causing on their behalf, but because of him using Islam to justify his aims. They just want to raise their kids, go to work and get laid. They have a different culture to us, they are different in many ways but to tar them all with the same brush? Trust me, this is also a question i would ask of any Muslim who has never been to the UK or the States. How can you hate someone if you have never met them, enjoyed their hospitality or lived amongst their culture. I don't blame them anymore then i blame our respective overseas policies for what were doing in regards to propping up Arab royal families, I'm not stupid, its because of oil. But that doesn't mean were not guilty of more then this indirectly. I don't give a shyte about a few ragheads who are determined to hate us, you get them everywhere in every religion. All I'm saying is were not totally blameless here. I'm not defending them neither am i arguing against the long term policies of our respective governments dealing with our national interests in respect to energy supplies etc. All I'm saying is this, hate breeds hate, and ignorance breeds ignorance. As a traveled man i didn't expect such an insular and ignorant attitude. I expected better from you. I also know that your reply will be, "im please to have dissapointed you"?. The thing is your not, your just being a typical isolationist yank who reads what he reads and believes it all. The sad thing is this, your an intelligent guy, your not stupid. I for one wouldnt have put you in the same league as iamjumbo and morons like him. In answer to your question about how can you hate someone you dont know, frequently in my view its precisely because you dont know them are excluded and marginalised from the circles they mix in and enjoy, its this that can give rise to hate and jealousy, that begets a hatred for a group you dotn really know or have never belonged to. Just look at Joe Philips and his rants about psychiatry and other professionals..
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Post by lawrence on Sept 25, 2008 5:03:30 GMT -6
we all rant Felix, but i still find it hard to believe an intelligent traveled man can hate Islam because a few scumbags flew a couple of (sorry three) planes into buildings. i don't know where hes getting his info from, KKK monthly or maybe the BNP. Ive traveled all over the middle east, OK, mainly in military trucks but have worked with Arab SF troops and known have the militant attitude these fundamentalists have. i believe he makes his comments from fear and ignorance, this is making him hate Islam. what does a goat herder or a dentist in the UAE wont with America, what does a Saudi soldier or a Saudi garage operator want with America, a Somalian doctor or a farmer want with America. most are to busy scratching a living to be interested with America then wanting it attacked. I'm baffled by his stupidity.
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Post by johnbgraf on Sept 25, 2008 18:54:16 GMT -6
Lawrence, If Mohammed returned today,would he praise Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, or would he side with moderate muslims?
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Post by johnbgraf on Sept 25, 2008 19:20:03 GMT -6
It baffles Me Felix, the guys not stupid yet he acts like a idiot and ignoramous, he is niether, hes a traveled man. Yet hes writes such crap. All i would say to him is this regarding Islam. To conquer fear is the begining of wisdom, Knowledge come but wisdom lingers Lawrence, your quote "to conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom" is that your bases for you ideology of Islam?Your own words admit there is something very wrong with the Islamic faith. If your a traveling man,where have you traveled to?What qualifications do you have to talk so arrogantly to others who have seen first hand the errors of Islam and its distructive influences. I understand that every culture in history has had its place in bringing value to life.But if you really study the Islamic faith,and devoutly follow it, then your destiny as a Muslim would only end in radical Islam. Radical Islam claims authorization from the Koran to oppose not only Jews and Christians but also everyone who does not accept Mohammed as a prophet,the Koran as divinely inspired,Islam as the ultimate religion and Jihad as every Muslims sacred duty. Thus Hindus,Buddhists,Taoists,Newagers,athiests,agnostics,materialist s,secular humanist,and even truely moderate Muslims also stand in radical Islam's OK-to-Kill list. So I guess your right in saying,"the beginning of wisdom is to fear Islam" thats what we all are trying to say...with the exception of Felix, he's frieds with al-Qaeda.
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Post by Felix2 on Sept 26, 2008 2:34:39 GMT -6
It baffles Me Felix, the guys not stupid yet he acts like a idiot and ignoramous, he is niether, hes a traveled man. Yet hes writes such crap. All i would say to him is this regarding Islam. To conquer fear is the begining of wisdom, Knowledge come but wisdom lingers Lawrence, your quote "to conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom" is that your bases for you ideology of Islam?Your own words admit there is something very wrong with the Islamic faith. If your a traveling man,where have you traveled to?What qualifications do you have to talk so arrogantly to others who have seen first hand the errors of Islam and its distructive influences. I understand that every culture in history has had its place in bringing value to life.But if you really study the Islamic faith,and devoutly follow it, then your destiny as a Muslim would only end in radical Islam. Radical Islam claims authorization from the Koran to oppose not only Jews and Christians but also everyone who does not accept Mohammed as a prophet,the Koran as divinely inspired,Islam as the ultimate religion and Jihad as every Muslims sacred duty. Thus Hindus,Buddhists,Taoists,Newagers,athiests,agnostics,materialist s,secular humanist,and even truely moderate Muslims also stand in radical Islam's OK-to-Kill list. So I guess your right in saying,"the beginning of wisdom is to fear Islam" thats what we all are trying to say...with the exception of Felix, he's frieds with al-Qaeda. But to be fair I am only friends with them so I can gert my share of the 70 virgins thing if that is true.
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Post by lawrence on Sept 26, 2008 5:59:09 GMT -6
John, my experience, 15 years in the British Army reaching Wo2, more or less doing what your doing. I also spent 8 years in Hereford with the Special Air Service. I have lived all over the world and whilst in the Army i traveled the world again so i can say I'm pretty qualified to call Cali what i like. Also all other ignoramuses who thinks that the Islamic religion is any worse then Christianity, judaism, hinduism or whatever. To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom, know thy enemy John. You should know that and be wise to that fact. Under estimate him and you will get *your rear* fried. Been there done that. Place a L91, 6 months in Arbroth with the Royal Marines, place that rifle in my hands and give me a clear shot at a distance and Bin laden would be a gonna. End of story. I am saying that Islam is no more a enemy to us then we are to Islam. A few scumbags have hijack their religion and because of them ignorance and fear is spread. It is rubbish to say that if you are a devout Muslim you are inclined to follow Islam on the road to fundamentalism. Total Bullocks, whats that statement based on. Whats your experience to say that. Done a couple of tours walked the streets ...... and, so what. been there done that to. Does that makes you a expert on all Iraqis does it, all Jordanians, Egyptians, Iranians, Saudis, Afghans, Kuwaitis. I have been to all of those countries sometimes for months on end and lived with these people. It is not i who is lacking in experience of these people, their culture or their religion. It is Cali and others like him who have not set foot in that country yet condemn them all because of what they have seen on the news and read in the tabloid press. I don't know which Koran you read but please find the Surah's and passages that says fly planes into buildings, wipe out Israel and destroy the west. If you going to use the Koran as a guide, then you could use my King James bible to say the same about our religion. Its interpreted how its interpreted and its how its interpreted meaning in what context and how its read, if you know what i mean I for one do not fear Islam anymore then i fear Christian fundamentalist, the creationists who deny scientific fact, Mormons, Sociologists and all the other nutters. I am experienced to say what i have said John. If you genuinely believe what you wrote then it is you who will be looking behind your back every day for the rest of your life, Not i. I can see and feel danger and trouble, almost sense it. I don't sense it from Islam. However, if it came to a striaght fight, they would be toast. That is something we can both agree on. , becareful out there. By the way, you guys have learnt a lot these past 6 years, your doing a great job, friends on the circuit have told me. Its a bastard when you have to learn the hard way because of *deleted* poor planning, *deleted* poor leadership and *deleted* poor knowledge.
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Post by Donnie on Sept 26, 2008 19:17:28 GMT -6
Also all other ignoramuses who thinks that the Islamic religion is any worse then Christianity, judaism, hinduism or whatever. Calling people names won't change the fact that you are wrong. Just seeing one woman in a burka should be enough to allow anybody to see how horrible islam is.
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Post by Donnie on Sept 26, 2008 19:20:11 GMT -6
I for one do not fear Islam anymore then i fear Christian fundamentalist, the creationists who deny scientific fact, Mormons, Sociologists and all the other nutters. You fear Mormons? Give me a break.
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Post by johnbgraf on Sept 28, 2008 21:30:33 GMT -6
John, my experience, 15 years in the British Army reaching Wo2, more or less doing what your doing. I also spent 8 years in Hereford with the Special Air Service. I have lived all over the world and whilst in the Army i traveled the world again so i can say I'm pretty qualified to call Cali what i like. Also all other ignoramuses who thinks that the Islamic religion is any worse then Christianity, judaism, hinduism or whatever. To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom, know thy enemy John. You should know that and be wise to that fact. Under estimate him and you will get *your rear* fried. Been there done that. Place a L91, 6 months in Arbroth with the Royal Marines, place that rifle in my hands and give me a clear shot at a distance and Bin laden would be a gonna. End of story. I am saying that Islam is no more a enemy to us then we are to Islam. A few scumbags have hijack their religion and because of them ignorance and fear is spread. It is rubbish to say that if you are a devout Muslim you are inclined to follow Islam on the road to fundamentalism. Total Bullocks, whats that statement based on. Whats your experience to say that. Done a couple of tours walked the streets ...... and, so what. been there done that to. Does that makes you a expert on all Iraqis does it, all Jordanians, Egyptians, Iranians, Saudis, Afghans, Kuwaitis. I have been to all of those countries sometimes for months on end and lived with these people. It is not i who is lacking in experience of these people, their culture or their religion. It is Cali and others like him who have not set foot in that country yet condemn them all because of what they have seen on the news and read in the tabloid press. I don't know which Koran you read but please find the Surah's and passages that says fly planes into buildings, wipe out Israel and destroy the west. If you going to use the Koran as a guide, then you could use my King James bible to say the same about our religion. Its interpreted how its interpreted and its how its interpreted meaning in what context and how its read, if you know what i mean I for one do not fear Islam anymore then i fear Christian fundamentalist, the creationists who deny scientific fact, Mormons, Sociologists and all the other nutters. I am experienced to say what i have said John. If you genuinely believe what you wrote then it is you who will be looking behind your back every day for the rest of your life, Not i. I can see and feel danger and trouble, almost sense it. I don't sense it from Islam. However, if it came to a striaght fight, they would be toast. That is something we can both agree on. , becareful out there. By the way, you guys have learnt a lot these past 6 years, your doing a great job, friends on the circuit have told me. Its a bastard when you have to learn the hard way because of *deleted* poor planning, *deleted* poor leadership and *deleted* poor knowledge. Lawrence, ooh-raah to you and all the Brith Royal Marines.I to have spent my time behind enemy lines,3 years to be exact.With the aid of the British Coalitions this war against terrorisim is getting done.Its just taking a alittle longer than the general public would like , but what the hell do they know about dealing with Islamic terrorism? But I'm a little surprized at you being British and openly expressing that there is no concern on your behalf.After all the Muslim community in England has taken quit a few bold moves to infiltrate your society. A Muslim organization wanted to build an enormous Islamic studies center right next store to the prestigious Oxford University.Muslim planners requested Oxford to sell them a choice block of land that Oxford was reserving for its own future expansion. Oxford refused to sell it. Undeterred,the Muslims called upon a prestigious Muslim gentleman's club to invite Price Charles into its membership. He accepted the"honor" only to find that as the club's newest member, he was expected to show loyalty and magnanimity by using his clout as Prince of Wales to persuade Oxford to sell the land to the Muslim planners. Prince Charles complied.He pressures Oxford.Oxford sold the land. In a thousand different ways naive Europeans who think thay are showing noble tolerance to mere religion are actually inviting a very potential political invader into their society.Blase' immigration officials are steadily undoing the victory Charles Martel and the Franks so bravely won for you at the Tours, and which the Habsburgs won for us again Vienna. Naivete' can be the most devasting betrayer of all. So Lawrence, please don't be so naive...
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Post by Californian on Sept 28, 2008 22:06:30 GMT -6
John, my experience, 15 years in the British Army reaching Wo2, more or less doing what your doing. Ummm. weren't you a cook, Lawrence? Being a cook for the SAS does not make one an SAS trooper, Lawrence. Currently? Sure is. How'd you do on the test, by the way? Get any right? ;D It's not even the beginning, Lawrence. Get back to me when you've heard a shot fired in anger, OK? Don't worry, infidel. Because you lick their feet, they'll kill you last.
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Post by lawrence on Sept 29, 2008 0:54:34 GMT -6
Yes i was a cook Cali, but unlike your mob, when i was in the Army (when it was any good) we were soldiers first. I was also para trained, commando trained and oh yes, a qualified sniper, only one of 13 outside the infantry when i passed. Also being attached to the SAS Cali is like this, Where they go, you go. When you get attached to them you have to be para trained, be competent in all weapons from the standard issue (crap) SA 80 to the M16, Kalashnikov, MP5, Heckler and Kok and many more, Oh and i was a Grade one medic. Qualified to treat and administer what i deemed responsible to save live. We also had to know Ptarmigan, satellite CMOS and etc etc. that made me one hell of a good soldier Cali. what were you doing, sat on your fat ass inside a sub taking pictures of polar bears. You people sicken me because whilst your real troops and vets are fighting and dying you are doing nothing. Wow, what a hero you are. TOSSER. Fired in anger. You have no f***ing idea you *jerk*. Ive done more in my life then you have ever dreamed of you moron. What are you now? ,,,,,,,,,,,,a pencil pusher , Always have been and always will be. Fit to throw insults and hide behind your bum chums friends like sdl. Your even loosing that argument So you been in a sub. whoppy doo. Chicken Shyte. We used you guys as taxis. Ever been to Garden Island Australia, thats where i trained for sub transport and dealing with claustrophobia etc and emergency drills. Even Ive been on subs Cali. Come back when you know what your talking about or even the slightest bit interesting to say. Oh Ive a good memory also, You still haven't answered my question or rebuttal on Roosevelt's overseas policy during WW2 have you. Why because your a dick head and cant accept that you were wrong. Complacency and ignorance is you all over Cali. Thank god you not a typical yank. Idiots like you always stand behind others and throw insults. Get back to doing what you do best. nothing.
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Post by lawrence on Sept 29, 2008 1:12:59 GMT -6
Sorry about that John. Hes a knob and always will be. If he had anything interesting to say apart from crap i would give him just a little respect but as per usual he showed his true colors. I agree with a lot of what your saying, I am concerned don't get me wrong. I don't like what is happening around the world but i do not worry about a religion which is on the whole benign. This is a difficult area to try to explain. A few have hijacked it and made it notorious and some clerics and their attitude have made it look almost tyrannical but to say all are the same . i cant accept that. perhaps in a little more tolerant because of my knowledge and history dealing with them. Its true they have integrated our society but you put that in a way that almost sounded clan-destined . Most have integrated quite well but you will always get a few nutters who listen to some and become brainwashed into direct action. Thank god we have people in the shadows watching these guys. I do also know about that Prince Charles incident and like Cali, the man is a *jerk* along with the rest of them. I am a republican. To say i am naive is a little naive on your part my friend. I am never naive, i do however believe in tolerance and hearts and minds which we are particularly good at in this country. Like the States, we have issues with Muslims etc but on the whole they are quite well interrogated and play a large part in our overall (god i hate saying this word) tolerant, society. Personally i do have issues with them not being able to speak our language, understand our laws and read and write in our language that bugs the crap out of me. A few minor problems does not make it a catastrophe in any way. I do believe we are winning way more then we are loosing but sooner or later both sides are going to have to come to terms with the fact that we have both played the game and it wont be a draw. What do you suggest we do? i do think dialog is necessary and i know its going on, even with organization that a few weeks ago we were beating the shyte out of. It happens. I guess as Ive got older Ive become less aggressive to those who i feel pose me no real clear and present danger. Long term who know. We live in democracies where we have to put up with the systems thats are in place. In Islamic countries i know they don't. I have also said many times on this board, if they don't like our life style, our culture or our society with all its ills, they can sod off to where they come from. Tolerance and understanding will help both sides calm this situation but i also agree to the fact that if they don't comply, burn their *%#*@*. You take care John. Be safe and don't rip posters of the wall unless your on top of that little number. In Basra in the first war, little bastards caught out 3 Brits that way. Peel of the poster and bang, hands gone.
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Post by lawrence on Sept 29, 2008 3:19:51 GMT -6
Cali, i was a little sharp there and i apologise, but you pissed me off. Ive never said once ever that i was a SAS trooper. Ive always been proud of what i was and what i became. I was a cook yes but i was also a highly trained and one hell of a good soldier. My rank after 13 years and career record proved that.
And yes i have been in a fire fight and yes i have taken life and yes i pissed my pants and i was *crap* scared and im not afraid to admit that. Im no hero and never professed that i was.
I dont want recognition for it neither do i ask for it but i do ask for respect because by christ i earnt that. If you know anything about the Brit Army, if your good at anything your sussed pretty quickly and posted to the relevant units. It was my great fortune to serve with the most awsome fighting regiment on this planet and at no time would i ever say i was one. I was a soldier and i wrote what could have been assumed rightly or wrongly that i was a SAS Trooper because wrongly i assumed John knew i was a cook first, ive never said otherwise and you know that. But i was everything else i said and i did everything i wrote.
I apologise if you felt agrieved but dont insult me again, you served and i have respect for that. But please get this i am the best thing since sliced bread out of your attititude. It really doesnt do you justice.
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Post by Californian on Sept 29, 2008 7:32:44 GMT -6
Yes i was a cook Cali, but unlike your mob, when i was in the Army (when it was any good) we were soldiers first. I was also para trained, commando trained and oh yes, a qualified sniper, only one of 13 outside the infantry when i passed. Uh-huh. Ever hear a shot fired in anger, Lawrence, or fire one yourself? Ever draw down on a real live enemy, and not a paper target? Well, yeah. The line doggies have to eat, too. Wow, you don't say? How many patients have you treated under fire? Umm..Lawrence...I don't know where you get your information, but I was a Navy corpsman. I spent 1968 in VN, which included the Tet offensive, attached to the Marines. On my Navy uniform, I wore a Navy Combat Action ribbon, a Purple Heart with an Oak Leaf Cluster, and two little badges above the right pocket that said "Rifle Expert" and "Pistol Expert." It's an easy question, Lawrence. Yes or no? I'm not sure why you think I was in the submarine service, Lawrence.I wasn't. I did post some pictures a buddy who is now a serving submarine officer took. If you think I took those pictures, you're wrong. Again. Why not link to the question? I admit that I usually skim past your posts because they're generally not very interesting, and may have missed your "rebuttal." I'll be glad to answer if you do.
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