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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Apr 8, 2009 5:15:01 GMT -6
Back at you kind Sir I guess I didn't do a very good job of imbuing my anti values But you did teach him values; he values his country and his duty to this country. Some people work an entire lifetime and wonder if they ever made a difference to the world. But the Marines don't have that problem. Ronald Reagan
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Post by D.E.E. on Apr 8, 2009 6:16:58 GMT -6
Back at you kind Sir I guess I didn't do a very good job of imbuing my anti values But you did teach him values; he values his country and his duty to this country. Some people work an entire lifetime and wonder if they ever made a difference to the world. But the Marines don't have that problem. Ronald ReaganI have always liked the Ronald Regan statement but I often think it could be expanded to the parents as well and to the parents of other servicemen. Now that I am a parent of a sailor I know how hard it must have been on my parents.
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Post by Lauren on Apr 8, 2009 7:14:41 GMT -6
I just thought the "cruel and unusual punishment" in the justice system meant that you cannot stick a murderous prisoner in a 4x4 cell, with little light, and who only eat bread and water.
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Post by D.E.E. on Apr 8, 2009 8:24:37 GMT -6
I just thought the "cruel and unusual punishment" in the justice system meant that you cannot stick a murderous prisoner in a 4x4 cell, with little light, and who only eat bread and water. Well that is part of it you can not use buck and gag or any of the old methods of punishment either, such as riding the horse (cannon) or flogging.
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Post by Grey on Apr 8, 2009 10:22:09 GMT -6
Since the Death Penalty is both the ultimately cruel punishment, and absolutely unusual (meaning we're the only western country that has it), it is those who uphold it, including supreme court justices voting in its favor, who should be going to jail for violating the constitution. We all know this, but in our spitefullness and constitutional inability to be honest, we seek to exact revenge by murdering the people who murder (if they are in fact guilty) 1. if an elementry teacher beats up a student its assault. 2. the DP is of the murderers doing 3. its not spite its life deal with it 4. the murderer made their gurney and now they have to lay in it-you call it revenge, I call it a punishment
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Apr 8, 2009 14:03:02 GMT -6
I call it sweet justice. They decided to maim the victims, guess where you are going. Buh-Bye, piece of *crap*.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2009 17:46:40 GMT -6
Why are many of you antis from Europe so fixated on the United States? Other countries execute people for lesser crimes than murder. coz we can't stand the difference that involves the highest levels reached in the economy, politic, democracy, everything and the brutality of the DR. We expect medieval practices to be performed by any country of the third world, not by the world leader for sure What about the brutality the inmate did upon his or her victims? Cruel and unusual punishment is having them starve to death. Cruel and unusual punishment is having them die the same way their victims have died...though I think that would be more fitting than naptime forever. We're the world's leader for many reasons.
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Post by kingsindanger on Apr 8, 2009 18:05:23 GMT -6
Figures. By the time I get here, the tard who started the thread has already bolted.
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Post by Tracy on Apr 8, 2009 18:14:54 GMT -6
The poll question in this thread is the stupidest thing ive read on the board, seriously.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Apr 8, 2009 18:43:53 GMT -6
Hard to believe I read stupider on another board. ("What do you think the electric chair SMELLS like?")
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Post by kingsindanger on Apr 8, 2009 19:02:41 GMT -6
Hard to believe I read stupider on another board. ("What do you think the electric chair SMELLS like?") ;D Where do they come up with these questions?
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Post by Stormyweather on Apr 8, 2009 20:52:34 GMT -6
Hard to believe I read stupider on another board. ("What do you think the electric chair SMELLS like?") Well I think this one is stupider. JMO
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2009 21:03:44 GMT -6
coz we can't stand the difference that involves the highest levels reached in the economy, politic, democracy, everything and the brutality of the DR. We expect medieval practices to be performed by any country of the third world, not by the world leader for sure What about the brutality the inmate did upon his or her victims? Cruel and unusual punishment is having them starve to death. Cruel and unusual punishment is having them die the same way their victims have died...though I think that would be more fitting than naptime forever. We're the world's leader for many reasons. I keep hearing sentiments like 'what about what they did to their victim' etc. So, don't mind me ~ I'm just using you. Are we to determine our own standards of decency and brutality upon a murderer's? Ought it be 'look at what he did' and so long as it's worse than what we'll do, we're a-okay and better than they are? Seems to me we ought decide for ourselves (without the help of those we love loathing) what we're comfortable with, what we feel is right, and just ~ and not be interested only in being better than they are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2009 21:57:15 GMT -6
I did not argue that the founders were against it. But times have changed, and now the DP *is* unusual. Does it not give you pause that the US is the only civilized country that still has the DP? That should tell you something: the countries that abolished the death penalty took a step back from civilization towards barbarism. W;re the only civilized country left, period. (No offense intended to my friends on here from Canada, Europe, and down under.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2009 22:01:20 GMT -6
What's up with all the comparisons between the murderer and the people who execute him? It's actually alot more simple than that: The law is in place today in DP states. It says up front what we'll do if a murderer gets himself convicted and a jury decided that he meets the special criteria. It's cut and dried, and the murderer knows before he commits the act what the possible consequences are. What's there to debate?
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Post by josephdphillips on Apr 9, 2009 5:51:59 GMT -6
Are we to determine our own standards of decency and brutality upon a murderer's? Ought it be 'look at what he did' and so long as it's worse than what we'll do, we're a-okay and better than they are? Seems to me we ought decide for ourselves (without the help of those we love loathing) what we're comfortable with, what we feel is right, and just ~ and not be interested only in being better than they are. Good argument, Lynne.
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Post by belsogno on Apr 9, 2009 7:18:22 GMT -6
I did not argue that the founders were against it. But times have changed, and now the DP *is* unusual. Does it not give you pause that the US is the only civilized country that still has the DP? That should tell you something: the countries that abolished the death penalty took a step back from civilization towards barbarism. W;re the only civilized country left, period. (No offense intended to my friends on here from Canada, Europe, and down under.) LOL (in this case you are not alone on the civilized side, but stay with saoudi arabia, north korea, bielorussia, China, Cuba, half of Africa Countries and the whole islam ghghghghghghgh)
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Apr 9, 2009 10:59:33 GMT -6
There is no way that the DP in the US is cruel and unusual. That is just a great big crock. We allow more liberties to the person on death row than any other prisoners. Plus we conduct humane executions. Just because you don't like something doesn't automatically mean its wrong.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Apr 9, 2009 12:04:30 GMT -6
Hard to believe I read stupider on another board. ("What do you think the electric chair SMELLS like?") I don't think that is a stupid question. On any account, I have read that it smells similar to bacon.
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Apr 9, 2009 12:18:24 GMT -6
On any account, I have read that it smells similar to bacon.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Apr 9, 2009 14:23:28 GMT -6
The guy that asked it was a total retard though.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Apr 9, 2009 14:37:21 GMT -6
The guy that asked it was a total retard though. I see he's high tailed it probably gone back to PTO
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Apr 9, 2009 16:35:13 GMT -6
Why do you think that is? He has NO BALLS. I probably have more than him.....
And I'm a girl.
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Post by belsogno on Apr 9, 2009 16:41:19 GMT -6
Isn't that some kind of retribution? And what about break a man leg when he injuries someone the same way? Retribution and "eye for eye" is used only when it did fit to support DP
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Apr 9, 2009 16:43:52 GMT -6
No. You only get back at him if he did it on purpose. If he did it on purpose, that is when you can do it.
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Post by belsogno on Apr 9, 2009 16:50:19 GMT -6
sorry?
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Apr 9, 2009 16:51:23 GMT -6
If somebody does something to purposely hurt you, I think that you are justified in getting back at them. But I wouldn't break their legs though. Just crash their car.
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Post by Ariel on Apr 9, 2009 17:48:18 GMT -6
What amazes me is that the poll attached to this thread is completely irrelevant to the thread being discussed.
For what it's worth I support the death penalty but I understand that people feel passionate on both sides of the debate.
It's pretty clear that the DP is 'unusual' largely because it isn't applied often enough.
As for cruel - that's a relative term.
People in the US are NOT burned at the stake, boiled in oil, or anything like that.
A lethal injection is no more cruel than going to the dentist.
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Post by Donnie on Apr 9, 2009 20:00:21 GMT -6
Are we to determine our own standards of decency and brutality upon a murderer's? No, that is not how our standards of decency are determined. They are determined in spite of how evil the murderer is. That is why the murderer is always treated much better than the victim.
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Post by kingsindanger on Apr 9, 2009 20:35:37 GMT -6
If somebody does something to purposely hurt you, I think that you are justified in getting back at them. But I wouldn't break their legs though. Just crash their car. Nice approach
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