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Post by Californian on Mar 26, 2009 19:20:15 GMT -6
Hold on right there. Are you really suggesting that there were no small pox blankets? Ummm.didn't we have this discussion before? And you did not answer my questions. For instance, who delivered the alleged smallpox-infect blankets to the Indians, and why didn't they get smallpox? Study question: Was the germ model of diseases known at the time these alleged incidents happened? I think "genocide" is too harsh a word. But of course, a liberal larva would not.
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Post by kingsindanger on Mar 26, 2009 19:43:20 GMT -6
Getting back on track here, I am shocked somebody with an apparent life sentence with no chance of parole could be back on the street. I guess I was under the false impression that once somebody got a LWOP sentence, there is no chance of the person getting out.
I don't care if the guy is a 103 and has no arms or legs. A LWOP should be exactly what the name implies. IMO, we ae sending exactly the wrong message to would-be criminals by commuting sentences.
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Post by PIP on Mar 26, 2009 19:49:17 GMT -6
And on average from 1933 to 1945, your government that your citizens elected killed about 133 people per hour.LOL, Calif, you are an idiot but please keep on posting this garbage. It's entertaining and I appreciate it very, very much! To give you some motivation: My grandpa always wondered whether it was tomato sauce in the English channel or actually blood. "Darn", he said, "then we really killed a whole lot of them! Heck, most of them ceased to exist before they reached the water ... **shaking his head** ... What a bunch of losers!" Come on, proud American, you can't stand for that! Says who? Ah, right, John Doe from the United States of America. You guys simply won't have the money to pay for blank cartridges much less phosphor bombs or even kerosene in the future. To all the speachless bystanders: Of course this discussion is rubbish but Calif has neither brain nor style and it is pretty easy to control him. I missed you Euro.
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Post by lawrence on Mar 27, 2009 3:54:44 GMT -6
eu-ro, for once its actually nice to read from a German who doesn't have a hang up over the war and that little Austrian postal corporal A.Hitler, well done. Seriously, its refreshing to hear. But my German Friend, learn from your past and don't be a Freaking idiot. My Family is half German on my late fathers side, we were originally from Hannover, i still have distant relatives there. My mother was French and i consider myself a true Brit, arrogant, obnoxious and at times bloody rude but thats who i am and i am gracious enough to admit when i am wrong and apologies. You sir, regardless of your stance on German history and American imperialism as you see it are sounding and looking quite foolish with some of what your writing. As for Bob, Fish, David and Sub along with other Americans you so like to slag off, be respectful. I don't always see eye to eye with them, in fact i have had some cross words with them but one thing i will always have in mind is respect, they like you are proud of their country. Take today, i believe i know DEE well enough to know what he write he writes with conviction and he has given me some today over a comment i made about Charlton Heston and the Gun Lobby. I don't agree with it and i will argue my point but i will not be rude or disrespectful and i take what he says sometimes with a pinch of salt because i know him well enough to know hes a good egg. Before you slag anyone off try to read between the lines and get to know people, some on here when i first came i thought were lost in space and quite frankly idiots. After a while i found out that it was me who was the idiot. Be careful. You write in a matter of fact way which is blaming a whole country for their leaders mistakes. Not all Germans were Nazi's, not all SS were animals and not all German Generals were war criminals, i don't blame the present Germany for their past mistakes. Don't blame the Americans for not being perfect either and remember America is a democracy and not all were bush fans as not all are Obama fans. Show some modesty and restraint my friend or you will be treated as an ass and rightly so. here enduth the lesson
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Post by eu.ro on Mar 27, 2009 5:27:03 GMT -6
Hi Lawrence, thanks for your answer. I see it this way: There are many people on this board I like and appreciate very much. Otherwise I wouldn't be here. Unfortunately there are folks like Californian who, anytime they don't know better, get out the old WW2-tunes and become extremely personal. See, I'm not a Nazi, my parents, born in 1940 and 1939 weren't Nazis and my even my grandparents weren't Nazis. Yes, both grandfathers fought in the war. As common soldiers. (... and not at Omaha Beach ...) It's outrageous and extremely disrespectful to accuse someone of being a Nazi, especially if the accused is German. The word is more than just another cuss to us. It goes way deeper. Respect is something people have to earn. Unlike many other folks here, Californian deserves no respect. I just gave him a little bit of his own medicine, since he's debating on exactly THAT level. eu.ro
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Post by lawrence on Mar 27, 2009 9:05:12 GMT -6
Get to know Cali eu-ro, He has an interesting outlook on History, a degree, honours i believe. I too am a amateur military history boff. What i will say about history is this, it can be misleading and it has to be interpreted in a way that is mindfall of the authors background. Most military historians tend to right from their countries perspective and stories can be exagerated and blown out of all preportion. I like david and sub like to read about other nations and experiences as does Cali. Trust me we have had many disagreements about ww2 and ww1 and what we do mostly is agree to disagree. I like cali read profusly and unlike cali i tend to read unbiased history. Cali is alright, infact hes a good bloke, he can be sharp and rude but hey, its cyber space, give it some and dont take it perosnal. Its actually amusing. I did laugh at that Kraut scumbag remark because that is so Cali. , outragous i know but it was funny. My father nickname in the RAF was the HUN because of his ancestry. So on fancy dress nights he always used to dress up as an SS officer or Hitler. Used to drive his superior officers mad but he didnt give a shyte because it was getting back at all the pricks he disliked and really, he couldnt give a crap. The Nazi remarks matey, well your German. Sorry but you are going to that all the time. Its a fact. At school , i was called Frenchie, as a Brit its almost as bad as being called a Nazi if your German. Just try not to bite. Enjoy and have fun
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Post by honeyroastedpeanut on Mar 27, 2009 9:27:12 GMT -6
The Nazi remarks matey, well your German. Sorry but you are going to that all the time. Its a fact. At school , i was called Frenchie, as a Brit its almost as bad as being called a Nazi if your German. Just try not to bite. Enjoy and have fun A friend of mine thought the same, namely that it wouldn't bother him at all to be called a Nazi for being German. That changed pretty heavily when he was on a bus ride in Israel and an old man approached him. He asked where he was from and my friend replied that he's from Germany. The old man shouted "Nazi" all the time and said something in Yiddish while crying. My friend only understood fragments of it. The old man must have been in a concentration camp. My friend didn't know what to say. He simply said "sorry" and left the bus for a smoke. He told me that he had never felt worse in his whole life.
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Post by Felix2 on Mar 27, 2009 9:39:41 GMT -6
The Nazi remarks matey, well your German. Sorry but you are going to that all the time. Its a fact. At school , i was called Frenchie, as a Brit its almost as bad as being called a Nazi if your German. Just try not to bite. Enjoy and have fun A friend of mine thought the same, namely that it wouldn't bother him at all to be called a Nazi for being German. That changed pretty heavily when he was on a bus ride in Israel and an old man approached him. He asked where he was from and my friend replied that he's from Germany. The old man shouted "Nazi" all the time and said something in Yiddish while crying. My friend only understood fragments of it. The old man must have been in a concentration camp. My friend didn't know what to say. He simply said "sorry" and left the bus for a smoke. He told me that he had never felt worse in his whole life. I believe it was the comedian Bernard Manning whilst giving a performance to a jewish audience in New York opened by saying his father had died in a Nazi concentration camp. He went on to say he has lots of empathy for jewish people both individually and as a nation. Yes, he said, "a terrible family tradegy his death was, he tripped and fell out of the guard tower". Apparently half the audience left the theatre. Some folk have no sense of humour! ;D ;D
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Post by Felix2 on Mar 27, 2009 9:43:48 GMT -6
The Nazi remarks matey, well your German. Sorry but you are going to that all the time. Its a fact. At school , i was called Frenchie, as a Brit its almost as bad as being called a Nazi if your German. Just try not to bite. Enjoy and have fun A friend of mine thought the same, namely that it wouldn't bother him at all to be called a Nazi for being German. That changed pretty heavily when he was on a bus ride in Israel and an old man approached him. He asked where he was from and my friend replied that he's from Germany. The old man shouted "Nazi" all the time and said something in Yiddish while crying. My friend only understood fragments of it. The old man must have been in a concentration camp. My friend didn't know what to say. He simply said "sorry" and left the bus for a smoke. He told me that he had never felt worse in his whole life. It still does not excuse the old fart making assumptions that every German he happens to meet is of that ilk. I'd have said to him "FFS so we missed you"?
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Post by lawrence on Mar 27, 2009 10:03:02 GMT -6
So that was the one who got out of trablinka then. the lucky lucky bastard. Nope you will always get it if your German but try to remember that the vast majority of people dont think like that. Todays germany cant be held responsible for what happened back then, thats ludicrous but the abuse you will have to put up with, thats life, trust me being called frenchie really pissed me off. "whats for tea in your house, frogs legs", and Oh la la la, your mum have hairy armpits and all that shyte. I just used to punch them , occasionally i would take a beating but thats life too. I never gave in though. ever. Also it was the Brits who invented concentration camps, you just made them better , thats what your good at. , see joke about , shrug those arian shoulders , i could go on for hours. seriously, laugh at it.
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Post by lawrence on Mar 27, 2009 10:07:25 GMT -6
I remember that joke felix, it made the news here and i have never laughed so hard, also that scouser about the Fokers and the RAF, what was his name. got band from TV for that little number.
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Post by Felix2 on Mar 27, 2009 10:20:13 GMT -6
I remember that joke felix, it made the news here and i have never laughed so hard, also that scouser about the Fokers and the RAF, what was his name. got band from TV for that little number. I know it upsets some folk but I find that oarticuaklr tyoe of humour hilarious.
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Post by honeyroastedpeanut on Mar 27, 2009 11:31:44 GMT -6
I believe it was the comedian Bernard Manning whilst giving a performance to a jewish audience in New York opened by saying his father had died in a Nazi concentration camp. He went on to say he has lots of empathy for jewish people both individually and as a nation. Yes, he said, "a terrible family tradegy his death was, he tripped and fell out of the guard tower". Apparently half the audience left the theatre. Some folk have no sense of humour! ;D ;D Holy shyt. That provokes this kind of laughter which gets stuck in your throat and only comes out as a coughing noise.
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Post by phatkat on Mar 27, 2009 16:08:06 GMT -6
America does have that. It's called the big brother/sister programs (or other variations of it). Unfortunately, it's not sufficient. There's usually a huge waiting list to get into programs like that. I was told that in my area, big brothers is now reserved for boys whose fathers are imprisoned. That's leaving out a lot of people who could benefit from it. Does a 4-year degree in Canada REALLY only cost $5k?? Holy s**t. By identifying people who are statistically likely to offend, assessing what they might need in order to make them less likely to offend, and then doing it. Kinda like Big Brothers....but the US could use more of that.
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Post by Californian on Mar 27, 2009 16:19:23 GMT -6
Holy shyt. That provokes this kind of laughter which gets stuck in your throat and only comes out as a coughing noise. I heard that joke years ago on the radio, but the target was Patrick Buchanan. I thought it was hilarious. ;D
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Post by Felix2 on Mar 27, 2009 17:06:35 GMT -6
Holy shyt. That provokes this kind of laughter which gets stuck in your throat and only comes out as a coughing noise. I heard that joke years ago on the radio, but the target was Patrick Buchanan. I thought it was hilarious. ;D I figured you'd like it!
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Post by honeyroastedpeanut on Mar 27, 2009 17:07:18 GMT -6
I heard that joke years ago on the radio, but the target was Patrick Buchanan. I thought it was hilarious. ;D OK, I had to look up who Patrick Buchanan is and Wikipedia says he's of Irish-German descent. How can he be the target of this joke? Maybe I'm just having my stupid Friday again...
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Post by ltdc on Mar 27, 2009 17:56:45 GMT -6
Actually, there are more Indians alive today than when the US was founded. Even accepting that this was genocide (hard to believe since the Indians did the same) most of the killing was done by European settlers before the founding of the US or by diseases over which they had no control. The one instance of a Swiss mercenary in the employ of the British handing out small pox blankets being the exception. Hold on right there. Are you really suggesting that there were no small pox blankets? Are you really suggesting that those European settlers did not participate in genocide of the American Indian? Good grief, that's some serious ignorance right there. are you suggesting the american indian didn't also participate in the destruction of the european settlers?? the history I've read shows some pretty bloody attacks by indians.
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Post by somebody on Mar 27, 2009 18:46:04 GMT -6
Hold on right there. Are you really suggesting that there were no small pox blankets? Are you really suggesting that those European settlers did not participate in genocide of the American Indian? Good grief, that's some serious ignorance right there. are you suggesting the american indian didn't also participate in the destruction of the european settlers?? the history I've read shows some pretty bloody attacks by indians. Destruction of the European settlers? It sure looks as if those European settlers had been able to create a country of their own, and, after they bloody attacked the indians and put them in reservates, started ruling the world as well. Destruction? Ha!
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Post by Californian on Mar 27, 2009 19:51:05 GMT -6
OK, I had to look up who Patrick Buchanan is and Wikipedia says he's of Irish-German descent. How can he be the target of this joke? Maybe I'm just having my stupid Friday again... Patrick Buchanan is a commentator of the far right. No additional information should be necessary.
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Post by ltdc on Mar 27, 2009 20:58:18 GMT -6
are you suggesting the american indian didn't also participate in the destruction of the european settlers?? the history I've read shows some pretty bloody attacks by indians. Destruction of the European settlers? It sure looks as if those European settlers had been able to create a country of their own, and, after they bloody attacked the indians and put them in reservates, started ruling the world as well. Destruction? Ha! yes, destruction. death is destruction, those that were killed were "destructed". and no, the natives didn't exactly win that fight. but they were equally brutal, it's just not politically correct to mention it
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Post by mst3k4evur on Mar 27, 2009 23:42:43 GMT -6
Actually, there are more Indians alive today than when the US was founded. Even accepting that this was genocide (hard to believe since the Indians did the same) most of the killing was done by European settlers before the founding of the US or by diseases over which they had no control. The one instance of a Swiss mercenary in the employ of the British handing out small pox blankets being the exception. Hold on right there. Are you really suggesting that there were no small pox blankets? Are you really suggesting that those European settlers did not participate in genocide of the American Indian? Good grief, that's some serious ignorance right there. Do me a favor and read it again. I said that the majority of the killing was done by the Europeans. I also said that the small pox blankets did happen but that the one instance was the responsibility of a Swiss mercenary working for the British before the founding of the US.
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Post by mst3k4evur on Mar 27, 2009 23:43:46 GMT -6
are you suggesting the american indian didn't also participate in the destruction of the european settlers?? the history I've read shows some pretty bloody attacks by indians. Destruction of the European settlers? It sure looks as if those European settlers had been able to create a country of their own, and, after they bloody attacked the indians and put them in reservates, started ruling the world as well. Destruction? Ha! I don't see how Europeans winning justifies attacks on civilians by either side PIP.
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Post by mst3k4evur on Mar 27, 2009 23:47:28 GMT -6
Even accepting that this was genocide (hard to believe since the Indians did the same) most of the killing was done by European settlers before the founding of the US or by diseases over which they had no control. I think you should check the 1870 era, there is a reason George Custard and his last stand happened. Ron 1. I never said 'all' I said 'most'. 2. You might want to read up on the Aztecs and their treatment of the civilian populations of their fellow Indian nations. There is a reason most of the Indian tribes sided with the Spanish around 1500.
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Post by somebody on Mar 28, 2009 4:36:19 GMT -6
Destruction of the European settlers? It sure looks as if those European settlers had been able to create a country of their own, and, after they bloody attacked the indians and put them in reservates, started ruling the world as well. Destruction? Ha! I don't see how Europeans winning justifies attacks on civilians by either side PIP. No! Europeans winning don't justify attacks on civilians at all! Just mentioned this to answer a post in which some kind of "the indians have attacked us"- kind of opinion had been described.
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Post by eu.ro on Mar 28, 2009 5:53:40 GMT -6
Get to know Cali eu-ro, He has an interesting outlook on History, a degree, honours i believe. Comical Cali has a degree? What did he study? Domestic science? Sociology? Patriotism gone wrong? Maybe, but what's so special in having a degree? What does it say about his character, political views or the quality of his arguments. Using your logic I would be "more right" anyway because I have two master degrees. Comical Cali? LMFAO ...
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Post by Californian on Mar 28, 2009 7:47:52 GMT -6
Comical Cali has a degree? What did he study? Domestic science? Sociology? Patriotism gone wrong? Maybe, but what's so special in having a degree? My Master's is in American History. I graduated cum laude. My thesis was on the naval war in the Pacific in WWII. Hardly surprising. I'm a Navy veteran. That you're getting your brains beat out in this argument because your opponent knows his history cold? In what? Sociology? Philosophy? Some other useless, navel-gazing major? Dance, Nazi scumbag, dance. One of our presidents once said "Freedom has many difficulties and democracy is not perfect. But we have never had to put a wall up to keep our people in." Your country can't say that, can it?
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Post by somebody on Mar 28, 2009 8:05:00 GMT -6
Hey Cali, I like discussing the dp over here, but I do not like your name calling, especially not towards Euro right now. He is not a Nazi. And, by the way: the German wall is down and gone for about ten years now. Thanks to the new generation of Germans... and Euro is one of them.
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Post by Californian on Mar 28, 2009 8:32:04 GMT -6
Hey Cali, I like discussing the dp over here, but I do not like your name calling, especially not towards Euro right now. Hey, SCUMPAL: I couldn't care less what you like or think. Yes, I know. And here's why. [/b] Indeed?
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Post by eu.ro on Mar 28, 2009 10:41:42 GMT -6
I have to disappoint you. Math and Computer Science.
Math: "Complex Structures and Fuzzy Optimization", 2001 CS: "Business Intelligence: Data Modelling and Data Retrieval", 1999
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