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Post by mel77 on Mar 3, 2009 8:10:47 GMT -6
Somebody you posted the following Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for homicide. These are the lowest rates of re-arrest for the same category of crime.Are these numbers that you find acceptable? So for every 100 people released from prison 1.2 of them are going to kill again within a two year period. You statistics do not show what the numbers are in 3, 4, or more years, chances are that the percentage will be even higher. Seems Holland doesn't value the lives of the citizens very much What is your point, Doc? Should we give all rapists LWOP? You know that will not work.
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Post by Stormyweather on Mar 3, 2009 8:27:09 GMT -6
Egghead must mean something else on your side of the pond? Egghead here means a brainstormer, a very intelligent person, a genious. Eik was a Egghead, he was also a brilliant commander. I guess when our ancestors came over here they gave it a different meaning.
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Post by SubSurfCPO(ret) on Mar 3, 2009 9:57:48 GMT -6
Egghead must mean something else on your side of the pond? Egghead here means a brainstormer, a very intelligent person, a genious. Eik was a Egghead, he was also a brilliant commander. I guess when our ancestors came over here they gave it a different meaning. Websters Dictionaryegg·head Pronunciation: \-ˌhed\ Function: noun Usage: often attributive Date: 1952 : intellectual , highbrow WikipediaIn the slang of the United States, egghead was an anti-intellectual epithet, directed at people considered too out-of-touch with ordinary people and too lacking in realism, common sense, virility, etc. on account of their intellectual interests.
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Post by olivebranch on Mar 23, 2009 23:00:25 GMT -6
Here in the great ole USA the main cause of crime is racism and poverty. Most criminals simply don't have any other choice but to commit crime to survive. The Republicans... (blah blah blah blah...) Olive Oyl to the rescue of the poor and downtrodden everywhere! Hate the truth huh? Have to make childish personal attacks because I hit a nerve? You're a jerk!
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Post by Californian on Mar 23, 2009 23:13:44 GMT -6
Hate the truth huh? Have to make childish personal attacks because I hit a nerve? You're a jerk! No, THIS is a jerk. Another victim of racism, Oyly?
Lovelle Mixon
Oakland police department stunned by day of lossBy TERRY COLLINS and LISA LEFF – 19 hours ago OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) — Bouquets of flowers from grieving residents were piled up at a growing memorial in front of the Oakland police department after its worst single day death toll. Three officers were killed Saturday during separate confrontations with a 26-year-old parolee who relatives said feared returning to jail. A fourth officer was on life support. "We lose officers about every 57 hours in this country," said Chuck Canterbury, president of the national Fraternal Order of Police. "But seldom do you have one of this magnitude." Oakland had never lost even two officers in the line of duty on the same day. Flags at the state capitol were flown at half-staff Sunday. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger returned from Washington, D.C., to meet briefly with Oakland Mayor Ron Dellums and members of the police department. Police said all four officers were shot Saturday by Lovelle Mixon, 26, of Oakland, a parolee who fled after shooting the first two officers following a traffic stop, then shot two more after a SWAT team entered an apartment in which he was hiding. Mixon was killed by officers, police said. Mixon's family gathered Sunday at his grandmother's East Oakland home, where he had stayed on and off since being released from a nine-month sentence for a parole violation, family members said. LaTasha Mixon, 28, a cousin of the gunman, said her family's prayers were with the slain officers' relatives. "We're devastated. Everybody took a major loss. We're crushed," she said. Mixon was wanted on a no-bail warrant for violating his parole when Sgt. Mark Dunakin, 40, and Officer John Hege, 41, both on motorcycles, stopped a 1995 Buick sedan in east Oakland just after 1 p.m., police said. The driver opened fire, killing Dunakin and gravely wounding Hege, Oakland police spokesman Jeff Thomason said. Police initially issued a statement Sunday saying Hege had died but later backtracked, saying the officer had been declared brain dead but remained on life support while a decision was made about donating his organs. Reached by telephone, Dr. John S. Hege said his son was attached to a ventilator and "looks fine" except for a black eye behind which the bullet was lodged. "He does not have vital brain function to sustain life and will not regain that," Hege said, adding that the family would soon make a decision about continuing life support. After shooting Hege and Dunakin, the gunman fled on foot, police said, leading to an intense manhunt. Two hours later, officers found the gunman inside a nearby apartment building. When a SWAT team entered, the gunman opened fire, police said. Sgt. Ervin Romans, 43, and Sgt. Daniel Sakai, 35, were killed and a third officer was grazed by a bullet, police said. Officers returned fire, killing Mixon, police said. Mixon had previously served six years in state prison for assault with a firearm during an armed robbery in San Francisco, the family said. While he was in Corcoran state prison, he married his childhood girlfriend, they said. Mixon's uncle, 38-year-old Curtis Mixon of Fremont, said his nephew had become depressed because as a convicted felon he could not find work. His nephew expected authorities to issue an arrest warrant for missing parole meetings, even though the he felt he was not to blame, he said. "I think his frustration was building up, but he was trying to better himself," Curtis Mixon said. LaTasha Mixon said Sunday her cousin was "not a monster." Dunakin is survived by his wife of 16 years and their three children, two boys ages 15 and 8, and a 13-year-old daughter, said Maxine Schwab, Dunakin's mother-in-law. "He was smart, and he was so good with people, very warm and affectionate," said Schwab. "If you met him, you'd be charmed by him." Schwarzenegger's office said that like Dunakin, Romans, who lived in Danville, left behind a wife and three children. Friends who knew Sakai from his days at the University of California at Berkeley and his continued involvement in his college fraternity said he was married to a campus police officer and was the father of a young daughter. He and his family lived in Castro Valley. Oren Levy, a fraternity brother of Sakai, said his friend grew up in Big Bear and was an accomplished mountain biker and outdoorsman who majored in forestry and graduated in 1995. As an undergraduate at Berkeley, Sakai worked for the campus police department as a student volunteer. After graduation, Sakai spent a year in Japan teaching English. "His honor was extremely important to him. Whenever there was a situation where someone could take the path that was less honorable, he always advocated doing the right thing," Levy said. "Being a police officer was really perfect for him." Hege's father said his son, who lived in Concord, loved being a policeman. He worked well with people and was an Eagle Scout. He played high school football and wrestled. He umpired and coached even as a youth, and joined the Oakland Police Department reserves. He taught high school physical education for a few years in Hayward before joining the police department a decade ago. He recently became a motorcycle traffic patrol officer, Hege said, adding, "He liked excitement." As for the slain shooting suspect, Dr. John S. Hege said, "The man was evidently terribly desperate. It is a sad story."
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Post by Stormyweather on Mar 23, 2009 23:28:59 GMT -6
Hi all, I copied this from the U.S. department of justice, criminal offender statistics, characteristics of jail inmates. These are the kind of characteristics well known in the Netherlands as well. We try to prevent these groups from committing crimes by offering help: Family background Thirty-one percent of jail inmates had grown up with a parent or guardian who abused alcohol or drugs About 12 percent had lived in a foster home or institution. Forty-six percent had a family member who had been incarcerated. More than 50% of the women in jail said they had been physically or sexually abused in the past, compared to more than 10% of the men. Here in the great ole USA the main cause of crime is racism and poverty. Most criminals simply don't have any other choice but to commit crime to survive. The Republican party has pretty much cut funing for inner city schools taking away any opportunity for poor students to escape poverty. The police in our poorer areas basically exist to harrass minorities and frame them for crimes while providing zero support to the very people they are supposed to be protecting. Despite all of this many still support the death penalty, LWOP and other horrors while offering no solutions or help to our poorest and most unfortunate. Is this your opinion or fact? Did Frances Newton take out life insurance policies on her husband and children and then shoot them in the head because of poverty or greed?
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 24, 2009 8:24:06 GMT -6
Mixon's uncle, 38-year-old Curtis Mixon of Fremont, said his nephew had become depressed because as a convicted felon he could not find work. You're supposed to think about that before committing a felony. Who the hell wants to hire an armed robber? His nephew expected authorities to issue an arrest warrant for missing parole meetings, even though the he felt he was not to blame, he said. I'm sure Michelle made the same excuses after she absconded. The difference is that she felt bad about having violated parole, so she turned herself in. I was the one that took her to the sheriff's office to be handcuffed. Black people had their civil rights officially recognized almost 50 years ago, and now the grandchildren of the brave folks, like my stepdad, who suffered through that struggle, are in the streets committing violent crimes. It just makes no sense to me. It's disgusting. Even more disgusting are the excuses of the real racists, like Olivebranch, who rationalize crime.
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Post by Californian on Mar 24, 2009 8:31:21 GMT -6
It just makes no sense to me. It's disgusting. Even more disgusting are the excuses of the real racists, like Olivebranch, who rationalize crime. Olive Oyl is a socialist ninny. Since socialism is the politics of envy and greed, all crimes must be viewed through the lens of race relations, with excuses made for violent felons based on the color of their skin. Had Mixon survived and been sentenced to death, he'd no doubt have a gigantic cadre of idiotic scumpals just like (and perhaps even including) Olive Oyl.
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Post by josephdphillips on Mar 24, 2009 9:43:05 GMT -6
Had Mixon survived and been sentenced to death, he'd no doubt have a gigantic cadre of idiotic scumpals just like (and perhaps even including) Olive Oyl. Yes, all tripping over each other to be the first to fellate him. I'm sure you've talked to black cops in your town, Bob. The majority of black folks don't buy into leftist rhetoric about class struggles. There are too many law-abiding middle-class and downright rich black people around to really believe young blacks are forced into lives of crime. Even when my family was living in the projects in the 1960s, we didn't have a lot of crime. We may have been poor, but we had morals. These thugs don't. Character has to count for everyone, or it doesn't count at all.
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Post by Felix2 on Mar 24, 2009 9:50:54 GMT -6
Had Mixon survived and been sentenced to death, he'd no doubt have a gigantic cadre of idiotic scumpals just like (and perhaps even including) Olive Oyl. Yes, all tripping over each other to be the first to fellate him. I'm sure you've talked to black cops in your town, Bob. The majority of black folks don't buy into leftist rhetoric about class struggles. There are too many law-abiding middle-class and downright rich black people around to really believe young blacks are forced into lives of crime. Even when my family was living in the projects in the 1960s, we didn't have a lot of crime. We may have been poor, but we had morals. These thugs don't. Character has to count for everyone, or it doesn't count at all. So eh,, ehat exactyl happened to your moral since the sixties then Joe? Or did child sex exp-loitation not make it onto the desired list of moral. Let me guess, they were the kind that simply said dont steal sweets from Woolworths?
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Post by eu.ro on Mar 24, 2009 10:39:43 GMT -6
Hmmm ... Maybe you should just give out more firearms to the public. Maybe then someone would have shot the attacker from behind. Or maybe not? "We lose officers about every 57 hours in this country," said Chuck Canterbury, president of the national Fraternal Order of Police.Germany loses less than five every single year, what is still way too much. Projected to the United States that would be about 20 per year. But, hey, maybe our cops have less car accidents. eu.ro
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Post by Californian on Mar 24, 2009 10:54:14 GMT -6
Hmmm ... Maybe you should just give out more firearms to the public. Maybe then someone would have shot the attacker from behind. Or maybe not? "We lose officers about every 57 hours in this country," said Chuck Canterbury, president of the national Fraternal Order of Police.Germany loses less than five every single year, what is still way too much. Projected to the United States that would be about 20 per year. But, hey, maybe our cops have less car accidents. eu.ro The murderer of the 4 Oakland cops was a black man. As it happens in the U.S. per FBI statistics, blacks commit murder about five times more often than our other citizens. Wouldn't it make just as much sense to deport our blacks? So how did that program work out in Germany, Euro? Frankly, I don't think a goddam Kraut has a whole lot to talk about concerning the murder rate in the U.S., hmmmm?
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Post by eu.ro on Mar 24, 2009 11:18:31 GMT -6
Hmmm ... Maybe you should just give out more firearms to the public. Maybe then someone would have shot the attacker from behind. Or maybe not? "We lose officers about every 57 hours in this country," said Chuck Canterbury, president of the national Fraternal Order of Police.Germany loses less than five every single year, what is still way too much. Projected to the United States that would be about 20 per year. But, hey, maybe our cops have less car accidents. eu.ro The murderer of the 4 Oakland cops was a black man. As it happens in the U.S. per FBI statistics, blacks commit murder about five times more often than our other citizens. Wouldn't it make just as much sense to deport our blacks? So how did that program work out in Germany, Euro? Frankly, I don't think a goddam Kraut has a whole lot to talk about concerning the murder rate in the U.S., hmmmm? That was sweet, Calif. Well, a little too racist in my eyes but, hey, it's a lovely tuesday. No need to worry. Ok, so it's the ol' WW2-tune again? That clearly means I could use slavery, slaughtered Indians and all the other crap as "argument", don't you think? Great, but I'm not interested in such a childish bullsh!t. Our murder rates are WAY lower. All over Europe. No matter which country. That's a fact. Remember: No DP, no firearms, no FBI, no Homeland Security Ding Dong and without all the other garbage you have been inventing to prevent that people from inside and outside the country kill on your soil. eu.ro p.s.: Protect your kids from getting fatter and fatter. Eat more Kraut!
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Post by Californian on Mar 24, 2009 16:45:05 GMT -6
That clearly means I could use slavery, slaughtered Indians and all the other crap as "argument", don't you think? The thing is, Kraut, all the bad things you name above almost certainly don't equal the crimes of the government your parents and grandparents elected committed in 12 years. The truth hurt, bucko? Glad to hear it. You run Europe, we'll run the USA. Fair? Gives us gas.
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Post by ltdc on Mar 24, 2009 18:08:53 GMT -6
Hmmm ... "We lose officers about every 57 hours in this country," said Chuck Canterbury, president of the national Fraternal Order of Police.this is correct for officers who "die" in the line of duty, from all reasons, however, and I think this is the question here, we average about 60 feloniously killed officers a year.
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Post by eu.ro on Mar 25, 2009 2:53:08 GMT -6
That clearly means I could use slavery, slaughtered Indians and all the other crap as "argument", don't you think? The thing is, Kraut, all the bad things you name above almost certainly don't equal the crimes of the government your parents and grandparents elected committed in 12 years.You made estonishing efforts in the ethnical cleasing of annihilation of nearly all Indians. The rest were robbed out disspossesed and put into concentration camps reservations and fed with alcohol and drugs. My parents? My grandparents? And even if one of my lovely grandfathers would have pumped lead into hundreds of visitors at Omaha Beach, what would it have to do with your inability to recognize that you are an id1ot? eu.ro
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Post by Lauren on Mar 25, 2009 7:06:55 GMT -6
What is your point, Doc? Should we give all rapists LWOP? You know that will not work. I personally don't see anything wrong with that, as rapists can escalate into murderers. Paul Bernardo is a good example of a serial rapist of more then 40 women in Scarbrough Toronto turned murderer.
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Post by Californian on Mar 25, 2009 9:23:08 GMT -6
You made estonishing efforts in the ethnical cleasing of annihilation of nearly all Indians. The rest were robbed out disspossesed and put into concentration camps reservations and fed with alcohol and drugs. My parents? My grandparents? A century ago, idiot. We're still hunting living Nazis. Hey dude, you relatives got the schit shot out of them, your leaders were ignomiously hanged at Nuremburg, and we burned some of your cities to the ground. After that, we of course had to feed you for years while we ran your country. So exactly who won that one, bucko? ;D
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Post by eu.ro on Mar 25, 2009 9:51:16 GMT -6
You made estonishing efforts in the ethnical cleasing of annihilation of nearly all Indians. The rest were robbed out disspossesed and put into concentration camps reservations and fed with alcohol and drugs. My parents? My grandparents? A century ago, idiot. We're still hunting living Nazis. Hey dude, you relatives got the schit shot out of them, your leaders were ignomiously hanged at Nuremburg, and we burned some of your cities to the ground. After that, we of course had to feed you for years while we ran your country. So exactly who won that one, bucko? ;D Calif, you still lose policemen every 57 hours. We don't. I mean, you can keep on trying to escape from that discussion with your helpless remarks which are really cute. Your statements make me think that you indeed have a darn small pecker. eu.ro
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Post by Californian on Mar 25, 2009 15:36:10 GMT -6
Calif, you still lose policemen every 57 hours. We don't. As noted above, that includes traffic accidents and other non-criminal fatalities. And on average from 1933 to 1945, your government that your citizens elected killed about 133 people per hour. Sorry dummy up, Euroweenie, or we'll burn Dresden and Cologne to the ground again. ;D
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Post by mst3k4evur on Mar 25, 2009 16:02:33 GMT -6
The thing is, Kraut, all the bad things you name above almost certainly don't equal the crimes of the government your parents and grandparents elected committed in 12 years.You made estonishing efforts in the ethnical cleasing of annihilation of nearly all Indians. The rest were robbed out disspossesed and put into concentration camps reservations and fed with alcohol and drugs. My parents? My grandparents? And even if one of my lovely grandfathers would have pumped lead into hundreds of visitors at Omaha Beach, what would it have to do with your inability to recognize that you are an id1ot? eu.ro Actually, there are more Indians alive today than when the US was founded. Even accepting that this was genocide (hard to believe since the Indians did the same) most of the killing was done by European settlers before the founding of the US or by diseases over which they had no control. The one instance of a Swiss mercenary in the employ of the British handing out small pox blankets being the exception.
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Post by mst3k4evur on Mar 25, 2009 16:05:04 GMT -6
Somebody you posted the following Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for homicide. These are the lowest rates of re-arrest for the same category of crime.Are these numbers that you find acceptable? So for every 100 people released from prison 1.2 of them are going to kill again within a two year period. You statistics do not show what the numbers are in 3, 4, or more years, chances are that the percentage will be even higher. Seems Holland doesn't value the lives of the citizens very much What is your point, Doc? Should we give all rapists LWOP? You know that will not work. Why not? Short of killing them it's the best way to deal with them.
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Post by Californian on Mar 25, 2009 16:11:37 GMT -6
Actually, there are more Indians alive today than when the US was founded. Even accepting that this was genocide (hard to believe since the Indians did the same) most of the killing was done by European settlers before the founding of the US or by diseases over which they had no control. The one instance of a Swiss mercenary in the employ of the British handing out small pox blankets being the exception. Nothing like being lectured about what a lousy country you have by a guy whose ancestors were stinking Nazis, is there? ;D
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Post by mst3k4evur on Mar 25, 2009 16:14:23 GMT -6
Somebody you posted the following Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for homicide. These are the lowest rates of re-arrest for the same category of crime.Are these numbers that you find acceptable? So for every 100 people released from prison 1.2 of them are going to kill again within a two year period. You statistics do not show what the numbers are in 3, 4, or more years, chances are that the percentage will be even higher. Seems Holland doesn't value the lives of the citizens very much Keep in mind that the actual numbers for murderers must be higher. 'Homicide' includes offenses like manslaughter and vehicular homicide, crimes where no malice was present. When the studies only include first and second degree murder and felony murder the numbers go up to 6.6% according to this USDJ study of prisoners released in 1983.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 16:48:35 GMT -6
Actually, there are more Indians alive today than when the US was founded. Not that I want to get involved in who was worse, but your statement makes no sense. The worlds population has increased drastically since then and the Native American population was lower then because they (most) had to travel to hunt. I bet the Jewish world population has grown drastically since the end of WWII. Even accepting that this was genocide (hard to believe since the Indians did the same) most of the killing was done by European settlers before the founding of the US or by diseases over which they had no control. I think you should check the 1870 era, there is a reason George Custard and his last stand happened. Ron
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 16:54:07 GMT -6
When the studies only include first and second degree murder and felony murder the numbers go up to 6.6% according to this USDJ study of prisoners released in 1983. Is it really that high ? That is astonishing, in Canada it is something like 0.3% (All murderers released since 1976). Ron
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Post by PIP on Mar 25, 2009 22:04:20 GMT -6
You made estonishing efforts in the ethnical cleasing of annihilation of nearly all Indians. The rest were robbed out disspossesed and put into concentration camps reservations and fed with alcohol and drugs. My parents? My grandparents? And even if one of my lovely grandfathers would have pumped lead into hundreds of visitors at Omaha Beach, what would it have to do with your inability to recognize that you are an id1ot? eu.ro Actually, there are more Indians alive today than when the US was founded. Even accepting that this was genocide (hard to believe since the Indians did the same) most of the killing was done by European settlers before the founding of the US or by diseases over which they had no control. The one instance of a Swiss mercenary in the employ of the British handing out small pox blankets being the exception. Hold on right there. Are you really suggesting that there were no small pox blankets? Are you really suggesting that those European settlers did not participate in genocide of the American Indian? Good grief, that's some serious ignorance right there.
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Post by eu.ro on Mar 26, 2009 3:45:08 GMT -6
And on average from 1933 to 1945, your government that your citizens elected killed about 133 people per hour.LOL, Calif, you are an idiot but please keep on posting this garbage. It's entertaining and I appreciate it very, very much! To give you some motivation: My grandpa always wondered whether it was tomato sauce in the English channel or actually blood. "Darn", he said, "then we really killed a whole lot of them! Heck, most of them ceased to exist before they reached the water ... **shaking his head** ... What a bunch of losers!" Come on, proud American, you can't stand for that! Says who? Ah, right, John Doe from the United States of America. You guys simply won't have the money to pay for blank cartridges much less phosphor bombs or even kerosene in the future. To all the speachless bystanders: Of course this discussion is rubbish but Calif has neither brain nor style and it is pretty easy to control him.
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Post by Californian on Mar 26, 2009 17:03:54 GMT -6
My grandpa always wondered whether it was tomato sauce in the English channel or actually blood. "Darn", he said, "then we really killed a whole lot of them! Heck, most of them ceased to exist before they reached the water ... **shaking his head** ... What a bunch of losers!" Fact: Hitler poured over a billion dollars (and a million men) into the defense of "Festung Europa." Fact: Over one million Nazi troops were garrisoned along that wall. Fact: On June 6th, 1944, at midnight, 18 hours after the assault in Normandy began, the Atlantic Wall had collapsed and 110,000 Allied troops were ashore in France. Fact: Less than a year later, your country surrendered. Oh, so your grandpa was a Nazi, huh? No surprise. Pretty hard to parse, isn't it, Kraut scumbag?
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Post by Stormyweather on Mar 26, 2009 19:08:53 GMT -6
Hmmm ... Maybe you should just give out more firearms to the public. Maybe then someone would have shot the attacker from behind. Or maybe not? "We lose officers about every 57 hours in this country," said Chuck Canterbury, president of the national Fraternal Order of Police.Germany loses less than five every single year, what is still way too much. Projected to the United States that would be about 20 per year. But, hey, maybe our cops have less car accidents. eu.ro The murderer of the 4 Oakland cops was a black man. As it happens in the U.S. per FBI statistics, blacks commit murder about five times more often than our other citizens. Wouldn't it make just as much sense to deport our blacks? So how did that program work out in Germany, Euro? Frankly, I don't think a goddam Kraut has a whole lot to talk about concerning the murder rate in the U.S., hmmmm? There are some disgusting people trying to make this murderer into a hero. www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/localnews/ci_11997512
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