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Post by whitediamonds on May 14, 2018 11:31:42 GMT -6
Non sense,only if this was a perfect world. No. Your homework this week is to review the difference between "every" and "some". If I said, "Everything is black and white" you could say, "Only if this were a perfect world." But I didn't say that. I said, "Some things are black and white". Guess what you can do with your homework assignment.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 14, 2018 11:21:31 GMT -6
"Yo bro. Is that new English? Yes. You're in year 3 now. Yes, they are in yr 3.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 14, 2018 11:20:23 GMT -6
I do not see this as off topic. No, it's like saying " some things are black and white". Non sense,only if this was a perfect world.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 13, 2018 13:33:27 GMT -6
Folks come up to me and are like, "Yo bro. Give us $100 so we can execute this POS." "Yo bro. Is that new English?
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Post by whitediamonds on May 13, 2018 13:15:18 GMT -6
I think it is BS. There've been more than 750,000 murders since 1976 in the US. In that time, we've executed less than 1500 of them. That's 0.02% of murder victims families we've offered 'closure' to. I'm wowed. That's 0.02% of murderers we've ensured via DP won't kill again. I'm equally wowed. And, you won't be feeding, clothing, and housing those 0.02% of murderers, either. But, while we waited to kill them, we spent $ to house, clothe, feed them. According to DPIC, the average cost is $90,000 a year more per death row inmate over those held in general population. That's a lot of expense to kill 0.02% of murderers. how about that, not everyone gets closure. the liberal mind set explained so perfectly by WW, if everyone can't get closure, no one should get closure. no wonder hillary actually got votes. so, according to you we're not executing enough, fast enough. no argument from me. we have over 3000 people on death row. there shouldn't be more than 200 at any given time. why the hold up? the same reason, that you fail to acknowledge, is why you spout false incarceration costs and reasons for them. there is not ONE single incarceration reason for the cost of housing dp inmates to be any higher than any other inmate. not one. an orange jump suit costs the same for dp inmates as any other inmate. a bowl of post toasties costs the same for dp inmates as any other inmate, and electricity, and heating, and water and on and on and on. hell, there are fewer guards needed in most prisons for dp inmates. for hellsake WW give it a little critical thought. so, where is the problem? well for starters we have allowed endless, baseless appeals to go on for years in which the state pays for both sides of the ball. you want to fix the "system"? fix the appeals problem. (think gary gilmore model here) LOL, really hard for some to understand that many women did not vote for hillary. There are no absolutes. hillary found that out .
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Post by whitediamonds on May 13, 2018 12:56:06 GMT -6
I do not see this as off topic.
I am going to bring up the DP & abortion.
Pro life on abortion wants an absolute. Pro abortion wants an absolute
Pro DP for all murderers an absolute Anti DP for all murderers an absolute
There are no absolutes. That is like saying,everything is black & white.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 13, 2018 12:36:05 GMT -6
Bernard, I think she was saying that the DP is a hose job. Should be, with a fire hydrant hose to put them out. Wipe the slate clean, Next. Hose Job? 1980's that can also be slang for a hooker job. Not nice WW. Did you have stormy on your mind?
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Post by whitediamonds on May 13, 2018 7:28:29 GMT -6
Easy you have screwball pros's & screwball anti's. So Well, I was actually just pointing out that I have very different reasons for being anti than wanting to "save murderers". The same is true of most other antis, if this place over the years is anything to go by. Stop fighting with the straw caricature. This somehow manages to be both off topic and in violent agreement with the point I made.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 12, 2018 16:56:51 GMT -6
the biggest problem to your above post Bernard, or to any anti-pro argument is that the very second the DP is abolished every single anti DP argument will immediately transfer to life in prison. innocence, cost, deterrence, discrimination, cruel and unusual arguments will remain the same. every single one. and we will argue punishment until ALL punishment is eradicated. the only difference is that after the demise of the DP we will no longer have a 100% guaranteed effective recidivism proof safeguard to stop killers from killing again. so, hurdle the dead and trample the weak. or in other words, kill the ones you can, cage the ones you can't. And the anti's even pros's know that is the agenda.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 12, 2018 14:56:54 GMT -6
Easy you have screwball pros's & screwball anti's. So
If it is about cost, why should we support those with real LWOP for eternity or support for decades those on DR, after decades then the cost of execution added on. Save them?
Should our tax's support abortion, for every ones personal screw ups?
Support the fake ones on medicaid who have smart phone off our money or for a tattoo, sex change too?
Where does it stop?
People do not want to be responsible on any minor incident today either.
I had fencers here replacing 100 ft of fence( wood) they asked to use the hose,ok to mix the concrete.
Not one of them said anything, they sliced my hose, then hung it up & shut off the water to it. Well, i checked the hose turned on the water & it was spraying all over. I told the guy about the hose( I know they would have left & not mentioned it) .He told me he would give me cash for it, No, you will go get me another hose, not me. I will hold this part of the check until you do. They were paid half up front for the cost of material. I know once they got the check they would not replace or pay me for the hose. Not my problem to get the hose, it is on them.
Even when you have workers here they will pull some crap if they can.
No one is responsible anymore or upfront.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 12, 2018 14:25:25 GMT -6
ALL capitol offense killers should be killed, victim color "shouldn't" matter. I agree that ALL capital offense killers should be punished in the same way, regardless of color. Are you English, btw? There are many reasons to oppose DP, I think. Some include: disparities in the system, a belief that we can do better, that an advanced society such as our own ought to be able to figure out better ways to punish the worst among us. If one believes that killing is always wrong except in self defense or defense of another, then killing a killer after holding him prisoner is also wrong. For some antis, it has to do with hanging in spaces such as this and the blood-lust, vengeance, 'closure', bs we've all heard here. Seems like we'd do a whole lot more people ~ murder victim survivors AND society ~ a whole lot more good if we weren't so focused on killing so few, and letting most of the rest come back into society. For myself, most all these things brought me solidly into opposition. I find it odd in this throw away society we have become in so many area's, anyone would fight to save murderers.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 12, 2018 13:46:13 GMT -6
I like saving too. Just different views on who to save. Nope. You have misunderstood. If I did misunderstand, I blame it on Thurs & Fri were helllllllll here. Exhausted today.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 12, 2018 13:44:23 GMT -6
Your an anti right?
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Post by whitediamonds on May 12, 2018 13:08:14 GMT -6
I like saving too. Just different views on who to save.
To add: my views on who to save, include what I believe it was what Iowa did, if they can hear a heartbeat they will not do an abortion. I believe in saving them too.
Anti's hate me bringing this up. I'm crazy like that.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 12, 2018 13:03:28 GMT -6
I will never be able to wrap my head around saving murderers. Raping killing our children, killing their parents, etc.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 12, 2018 10:42:49 GMT -6
ALL capitol offense killers should be killed, victim color "shouldn't" matter. I agree that ALL capital offense killers should be punished in the same way, regardless of color. Are you English, btw? There are many reasons to oppose DP, I think. Some include: disparities in the system, a belief that we can do better, that an advanced society such as our own ought to be able to figure out better ways to punish the worst among us. If one believes that killing is always wrong except in self defense or defense of another, then killing a killer after holding him prisoner is also wrong. For some antis, it has to do with hanging in spaces such as this and the blood-lust, vengeance, 'closure', bs we've all heard here. Seems like we'd do a whole lot more people ~ murder victim survivors AND society ~ a whole lot more good if we weren't so focused on killing so few, and letting most of the rest come back into society. For myself, most all these things brought me solidly into opposition. The ones who committed murder & released back into society then murder again should get the DP for sure, within the year. There are better ways, it is the anti stance & defense who make it the long dragged out process, reason so many on DR it takes decades. Only disparities"today" are the 3 degree's of murder. Science has made it easy & cameras, etc with facts to be proven guilty. As well as in a no DP state when an inmate murders again inside the walls it is bs, they just get another 30 yrs added on to the real life sentence they have already. No one is screaming about those disparities.......So murder can go on as long as your already incarcerated too? Society would be much better off in many ways. Execute the bastaads !!!
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Post by whitediamonds on May 6, 2018 14:50:03 GMT -6
It is not death we fear, it is the pain getting there, the pain leaving your child before grown, etc etc. How many of us say when death comes we hope to go in our sleep. We fear the unknown.
I say it is best to leave the afterlife out of it, we have enough people who commit suicide. We have some who think they will have 20 virgins waiting for them, while they took so many innocent with them.
Lets just stick with the sentence should match the crime, & murder is the taking everything we have, nothing left.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 5, 2018 17:27:26 GMT -6
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2018 16:01:23 GMT -6
I am not being racist. Blacks murder more whites , than whites murder blacks.
A far number of blacks are being sent to the morgue by black killers.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2018 14:54:04 GMT -6
Would I still be pro if there was a PERFECT way to prevent them from killing again? No. I certainly would be. Capital punishment has nothing to do with likelihood of reoffense. Knowing its a fantasy, sure I would say no.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2018 13:14:27 GMT -6
Revenge, some may feel that way, but the laws were not written for or about revenge. If the law was about revenge why do we have so many murders serving life, or being released in 20 yrs? Does that mean some families are more entitled? No.
Why is revenge on the perps shoulders, they are the ones who kill out of rage, hate,pleasure,anger & revenge ..those on DR believe they are entitled to their life no matter what.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2018 12:46:14 GMT -6
There are something like 174,000 murderers imprisoned in the US, with maybe 2,800 on death row. Many of those on death row will die imprisoned, rather than by execution. CA, for example, has 748 (I think) DR prisoners at present, 850 murderers have been sentenced to death since 1978. We've executed 13 men in all those years. People like to toss around the 'closure' word, but I tend to hate it. It insinuates, in my view, that the murder of a loved one can be appeased somehow. First off, *most* murderers won't be sentenced to death. Second, even those ones who are sentenced to death, will usually take many years before the sentence is actually carried out, when it's carried out. Also, when the state seeks a death sentence, there are two phases (at least in CA) of the murder trial. So, it is not unusual for the trial(s) to take 3 or more years. (Ours took 3 1/2 years) *If* a reason to execute murderers is 'closure', then, aren't all the murder victim's families entitled to said 'closure'... AND revenge? Please that word revenge belongs on the murderer shoulders, not the public. Sadly it is not about the victims family, nor is it about the guilty ones family. So, no one is entitled in my mind. We have three degree's of murder.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2018 12:33:12 GMT -6
What made me go pro? Life" has taught me to make up my own mind on being pro. My parents nor anyone else even brought up political matters. Honestly.
Being a mod on an pp site, actually confirmed my stance. lol
My son Guess it is called a prison farm, all there were non violent & come & go outside as they please, on the property that is. He was there for two yrs. He wrote me a letter telling me about the pp sites, which I did not know about, that is the same time Susan smith" came on the news.
Bottom line, all that did, was confirm my stance. PRO
I could never find a common sense answer to give if I was an anti.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2018 12:20:01 GMT -6
There will never be any evidence to prove or disprove anyhow. Not mean't to be, most likely for very good reasons. Aah, yes, you're right! Why didn't I think of that? Remind me to buy you some Juju beads for Christmas. I love juju beans
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2018 12:18:09 GMT -6
You cannot speak for all anti's, what are YOUR reasons Bernard? I repeat. To clarify. Diamonds.......uuuummmm never mind. What? I would like to know Bernard's personal reasoning for no DP.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2018 11:52:56 GMT -6
Give me some specific examples of the kinds of evidence you have in mind. Scientific evidence that is acceptable to scientists. There will never be any evidence to prove or disprove anyhow. Not mean't to be, most likely for very good reasons. BY science or law.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2018 11:30:30 GMT -6
you cannot speak for all anti's. Sure I can. On behalf of all antis, I declare that we are against the death penalty. You cannot speak for all anti's, what are YOUR reasons Bernard? I repeat. To clarify.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2018 10:54:16 GMT -6
Not that they are anti, meaning what are their reasons for being anti?
Ironic, antis are in the same company as those on DR, DR inmates are anti's too.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2018 10:36:38 GMT -6
Would I still be pro if there was a PERFECT way to prevent them from killing again? No.
All I have heard so far is silly answers as to how. What anti's don't get is the many reasons for the DP are real. Prison proves it over & over to be facts. Too many kill again. Too many are victims.
Lets go back to reality now, we need to spend more energy on how to prevent so many murders . We have so much evidence to begin with on the whys. I cannot not speak for all pros's & you cannot speak for all anti's.
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Post by whitediamonds on May 4, 2018 7:02:58 GMT -6
Actually, I would not want to have this proven in a court to be factual there is an afterlife.
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