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Post by RickZ on Jun 13, 2007 3:17:50 GMT -6
An Oklahoma death row inmate has terminal lung and brain cancer. He has less than 6 months to live as a result. He asked for clemency, which has been denied. Oklahoma still plans to execute him June 26. His appeal for clemency as a result of cancer is akin to the defendent who murders his parents then pleads for mercy from the court because he's an orphan. This Bland character has brass ones. Good on Oklahoma for seeing through this death row inmate's bullsh*t. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19196443/OKLAHOMA CITY - The state parole board refused Tuesday to block the execution of a death row inmate who is dying of cancer. Jimmy Dale Bland is to be executed June 26 for the Nov. 14, 1996, murder of 62-year-old Doyle Windle Rains 11 years ago. He is "on the verge of death" with advanced lung cancer that has spread to his brain and his hip bone despite radiation and chemotherapy, defense attorney David Autry told the five-member Oklahoma Pardon and Parole Board. Even if the 49-year-old man were not executed, doctors have said he has as little as six months to live, Autry said. The board voted 5-0 to deny clemency. Bland chose not to address the board via videoconference from his cell at the Oklahoma State Penitentiary in McAlester and did not speak to board investigators before Tuesday's hearing. "He feels at this point that all hope is lost," Autry said. He said Bland's death sentence should be commuted out of "simple decency and mercy for a person who is terminally ill and is going to die anyway." [Ed. - Left unsaid is that we are all going to die one day anyway, so why have executions at all? A nonsense argument. Why should a death row inmate decide on his manner and time of death?]'Cancer doesn't change' trial verdict Assistant Attorney General Seth Branham said Bland's medical condition was not grounds for clemency, and that Bland forfeited his right to die of natural causes when he shot the victim in the back of the head. "Cancer doesn't change what happened at that trial," Branham said. The victim's stepdaughter, Christina Stringer, and her husband, Gary Stringer, also urged the board to deny clemency. She said Rains helped Bland and gave him a job. "He's had enough compassion," Gary Stringer said of Bland. "He's had enough mercy. We need some justice here." Bland spent 20 years of a 60-year sentence in prison after pleading guilty to manslaughter and kidnapping charges in 1975. He had been out of prison for about a year when he was accused of shooting Rains to death. The U.S. Supreme Court rejected Bland's final appeal in April. Autry said courts had found prosecutorial misconduct in Bland's trial but that the acts were not serious enough to reverse the conviction and order a new trial.
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Post by brumsongs on Jun 13, 2007 3:53:13 GMT -6
"His appeal for clemency as a result of cancer is akin to the defendent who murders his parents then pleads for mercy from the court because he's an orphan."
Poor analogy, not unless committing murder causes cancer
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Post by Felix2 on Jun 13, 2007 4:01:55 GMT -6
"His appeal for clemency as a result of cancer is akin to the defendent who murders his parents then pleads for mercy from the court because he's an orphan." Poor analogy, not unless committing murder causes cancer Yep, it does kinda fall down as an analogy on that point, does'nt it?
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Post by crappieboy on Jun 13, 2007 5:38:47 GMT -6
No wonder he refused to speak during the video conference call; at this point, the state is doing him a favor.
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Post by Moonbeam on Jun 13, 2007 6:12:06 GMT -6
His punishment for murder was execution, he'd have still been punished if Doyle Windle Rains had, had a terminal illness. It doesn't change anything. He didn't show any mercy and shouldn't expect any. As Crappieboy said above, they're pretty much doing him a favour anyhow, shortening any pain or discomfort he might have towards the end of his illness.
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Jun 13, 2007 9:04:51 GMT -6
The question that i have is why did they waste radiation and chemo treatment on this goober if he had a date to be executed. Spend the states money on a POS...typical.
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Post by spur on Jun 13, 2007 10:31:03 GMT -6
"His appeal for clemency as a result of cancer is akin to the defendent who murders his parents then pleads for mercy from the court because he's an orphan." Poor analogy, not unless committing murder causes cancer Yep, it does kinda fall down as an analogy on that point, does'nt it? Yea I have to agree with both of you.... bad choice of comparrison.... I would have had to go with something to the effect of..."Just because a POS has flies land on it and suck the moisture out of it.... doesn't exclude the fact that what is left is still a POS"
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Post by arizonavet on Jun 13, 2007 10:46:37 GMT -6
"His appeal for clemency as a result of cancer is akin to the defendent who murders his parents then pleads for mercy from the court because he's an orphan." Poor analogy, not unless committing murder causes cancer I agree Brumsongs.....I didn't see the analogy either. I'll admit, this one created mixed emotions in me.... Guess I'd still execute him though.....perhaps it's the unattractive emotion of vengence in me.... Plus.....with all the cockamamie reasons for not executing these unbelievably dangerous murderers, allowing them to kill again... I'm fed up with almost ALL, BS-stay's....BS pardons...and BS clemency requests. Only proven innocence works for me. This execution, perhaps more than any in years, will show resolve.....and become a true deterrent.
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Post by arizonavet on Jun 13, 2007 10:50:53 GMT -6
I would have had to go with something to the effect of..."Just because a POS has flies land on it and suck the moisture out of it.... doesn't exclude the fact that what is left is still a POS" At first I just laughed.....then I absorbed the stark truth of it. Tell the truth, did you come up with that? I liked it a lot.
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Post by spur on Jun 13, 2007 10:53:03 GMT -6
All original work AV... I grew up around livestock and have seen this scene played out all my life
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Post by josephdphillips on Jun 13, 2007 10:57:14 GMT -6
Execute the son of a b!tch, just on principle.
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Post by arizonavet on Jun 13, 2007 11:01:03 GMT -6
Good stuff Spur! Whenever I feel "squeamish" (as my "bud" Joe puts it).... I look up what the condemned mad DID. A. The Crime On November 14, 1996, Jimmy Dale Bland shot and killed Doyle Windle Rains in Mr. Rains's garage in Manitou, Tillman County, Oklahoma. Bland, 4 P.3d at 709. He had been out of prison less than a year. He had served almost twenty years of a 60-year sentence for killing a man and kidnapping the victim's wife and son. Tr. Jury Trial, Day Seven, at 39-45, 55, 62-64, 107. At trial, Mr. Bland admitted killing Mr. Rains www.kscourts.org/ca10/cases/2006/08/05-6013.htm*********************************************** He isn't just a POS.....he's a WHINING POS! And a multiple murderer....who has already "whined" his way out of a 60 year sentence, for murder & kidnapping PREVIOUSLY... Then killed again! I'm sure of it......I only feel "rocks" about his cancer...
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Post by Felix2 on Jun 13, 2007 11:44:49 GMT -6
Yep, it does kinda fall down as an analogy on that point, does'nt it? Yea I have to agree with both of you.... bad choice of comparrison.... I would have had to go with something to the effect of..."Just because a POS has flies land on it and suck the moisture out of it.... doesn't exclude the fact that what is left is still a POS" Now there's an analogy which is faultless.
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Post by Big Al on Jun 13, 2007 11:53:56 GMT -6
Maybe they should call Dr. Kevorkian in on June 26th.
This way he could legally end the life of a terminally ill person.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2007 12:06:20 GMT -6
"He asked for clemency, which has been denied. "
Good for Oklahoma. He has already lived too many days longer than Mr. Rains.
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Post by arizonavet on Jun 13, 2007 12:19:43 GMT -6
Maybe they should call Dr. Kevorkian in on June 26th. This way he could legally end the life of a terminally ill person. Not bad....
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Post by spur on Jun 13, 2007 16:14:23 GMT -6
This is a PDP poster boy.... notice the bleeding heart anti's are not crying over this two time loser
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Post by Matt on Jun 13, 2007 23:09:32 GMT -6
Unfortunately, with the type of death he's facing otherwise, giving him a LI on the 26th will be doing him an immense favor.
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Post by brumsongs on Jun 14, 2007 10:46:40 GMT -6
Unfortunately, with the type of death he's facing otherwise, giving him a LI on the 26th will be doing him an immense favor. Why is that unfortunate? Was he sentenced to cancer? Aren't you lot always bleating about how a swift and humane execution is what society demands? I suspect many pros would prefer a tortuous death for murderers. That's fine but be honest about it and abandon the high moral ground- you're stinking out the clean air up here.
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Post by arizonavet on Jun 14, 2007 11:59:20 GMT -6
Unfortunately, with the type of death he's facing otherwise, giving him a LI on the 26th will be doing him an immense favor. Why is that unfortunate? Was he sentenced to cancer? Aren't you lot always bleating about how a swift and humane execution is what society demands? I suspect many pros would prefer a tortuous death for murderers. That's fine but be honest about it and abandon the high moral ground- you're stinking out the clean air up here. I'm missing something Brumsongs......how do YOU feel... Given that Jimmy Dale IS slated for execution, and he HAS cancer. Would you just let "nature" take it's course....let him either die of cancer, or LI? Would you give him clemency? I know, you're an "anti"....but if you were hired to support Oklahoma's laws, and pledged to uphold them.....like the Governor has.... What would you do?
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Post by Matt on Jun 14, 2007 15:38:42 GMT -6
Why is that unfortunate? Was he sentenced to cancer? Aren't you lot always bleating about how a swift and humane execution is what society demands? I suspect many pros would prefer a tortuous death for murderers. That's fine but be honest about it and abandon the high moral ground- you're stinking out the clean air up here. Feel free to prove me wrong, but I can't recall ever insisting on a "swift and humane" execution, except to characterize and support the current LI method as being relatively so as the defacto standard. Executing someone is killing them. It need not be painless, or even necessarily swift. In our attempts to satisfy ourselves that the DP remains moral only insofar as it is not "cruel and unusual", we have lost sight of what it is: taking the life of the condemned. Personally I'm fine with the axe and stump, but if others need another method to soothe their morals, then by all means we should tie ourselves in knots trying to medicalize the DP with new cocktails and better needles.
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Post by arizonavet on Jun 14, 2007 16:42:03 GMT -6
Why is that unfortunate? Was he sentenced to cancer? Aren't you lot always bleating about how a swift and humane execution is what society demands? I suspect many pros would prefer a tortuous death for murderers. That's fine but be honest about it and abandon the high moral ground- you're stinking out the clean air up here. Feel free to prove me wrong, but I can't recall ever insisting on a "swift and humane" execution, except to characterize and support the current LI method as being relatively so as the defacto standard. Executing someone is killing them. It need not be painless, or even necessarily swift. In our attempts to satisfy ourselves that the DP remains moral only insofar as it is not "cruel and unusual", we have lost sight of what it is: taking the life of the condemned. Personally I'm fine with the axe and stump, but if others need another method to soothe their morals, then by all means we should tie ourselves in knots trying to medicalize the DP with new cocktails and better needles. Senior Matt... The only part of the mechanics of lethal injection that I feel needs addressing, is the finding of the vein... Call me a wuss....but searching for a vein for 45 min. bruises my sensabilities..... So does totally missing the vein and squirting it into the muscle, or on the sheet. Perhaps they should hire 60's hippies to do the "needle work"...(if there are any still alive)... Seems like the "juice" works just fine.
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Post by brumsongs on Jun 14, 2007 16:50:03 GMT -6
Why is that unfortunate? Was he sentenced to cancer? Aren't you lot always bleating about how a swift and humane execution is what society demands? I suspect many pros would prefer a tortuous death for murderers. That's fine but be honest about it and abandon the high moral ground- you're stinking out the clean air up here. Feel free to prove me wrong, but I can't recall ever insisting on a "swift and humane" execution, except to characterize and support the current LI method as being relatively so as the defacto standard. Executing someone is killing them. It need not be painless, or even necessarily swift. In our attempts to satisfy ourselves that the DP remains moral only insofar as it is not "cruel and unusual", we have lost sight of what it is: taking the life of the condemned. Personally I'm fine with the axe and stump, but if others need another method to soothe their morals, then by all means we should tie ourselves in knots trying to medicalize the DP with new cocktails and better needles. Where does "cruel and unusual " begin then? There are lots of people on DR who offed people with a single shot- if you are happy to see people executed painfully for that then we all have a philosophical problem I think.....
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Post by spur on Jun 14, 2007 17:23:58 GMT -6
Why is that unfortunate? Was he sentenced to cancer? Aren't you lot always bleating about how a swift and humane execution is what society demands? I suspect many pros would prefer a tortuous death for murderers. That's fine but be honest about it and abandon the high moral ground- you're stinking out the clean air up here. Honestly Brum..... in a sick twisted way I personally find some comfort in the fact that he has not only cancer to be concerned with but an execution date as well. I would find zero joy in the average person having cancer but somehow it almost seems like justice for the "first murder" he committed and got away with to kill again.....yea.... I kinda think it turns the heat up to carry this burden.... I am a sick individual in need of counseling.
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Post by PIP on Jun 14, 2007 17:37:18 GMT -6
Why is that unfortunate? Was he sentenced to cancer? Aren't you lot always bleating about how a swift and humane execution is what society demands? I suspect many pros would prefer a tortuous death for murderers. That's fine but be honest about it and abandon the high moral ground- you're stinking out the clean air up here. Honestly Brum..... in a sick twisted way I personally find some comfort in the fact that he has not only cancer to be concerned with but an execution date as well. I would find zero joy in the average person having cancer but somehow it almost seems like justice for the "first murder" he committed and got away with to kill again.....yea.... I kinda think it turns the heat up to carry this burden.... I am a sick individual in need of counseling. In case anyone was wondering, I do have a couch...
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Post by brumsongs on Jun 14, 2007 17:38:33 GMT -6
Why is that unfortunate? Was he sentenced to cancer? Aren't you lot always bleating about how a swift and humane execution is what society demands? I suspect many pros would prefer a tortuous death for murderers. That's fine but be honest about it and abandon the high moral ground- you're stinking out the clean air up here. Honestly Brum..... in a sick twisted way I personally find some comfort in the fact that he has not only cancer to be concerned with but an execution date as well. I would find zero joy in the average person having cancer but somehow it almost seems like justice for the "first murder" he committed and got away with to kill again.....yea.... I kinda think it turns the heat up to carry this burden.... I am a sick individual in need of counseling. The real dichotomy here is that if you or I persuaded a doctor to up the diamorphine so we could drift away peacefully then both the patient (deceased) and physician become felons. That is truly screwed up.
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Post by spur on Jun 14, 2007 17:41:30 GMT -6
In case anyone was wondering, I do have a couch... I am so there Doc!
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Post by Kay on Jun 14, 2007 17:42:26 GMT -6
If Bland had received LWOP instead of a death sentence Brums, would you consider letting him go home to die, since he's supposedly no longer a threat?
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Post by spur on Jun 14, 2007 17:43:31 GMT -6
The real dichotomy here is that if you or I persuaded a doctor to up the diamorphine so we could drift away peacefully then both the patient (deceased) and physician become felons. That is truly screwed up. Hummmmm, I didn't think of it that way.... I like the glass to be 1/2 full..... I will pretend that he is suffering each day and will be free of complications the day of his execution
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Post by brumsongs on Jun 14, 2007 17:45:42 GMT -6
If Bland had received LWOP instead of a death sentence Brums, would you consider letting him go home to die, since he's supposedly no longer a threat? If he received LWOP that would be illegal. It is, however, a point noone is addressing that in a couple of decades time LWOP will mean that there are lots of harmless seniors in prison costing the taxpayer a fortune.
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