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Post by ginger on Jun 14, 2007 17:47:32 GMT -6
Perhaps they should hire 60's hippies to do the "needle work"...(if there are any still alive)... Just for your information, not all 'hippies' are or were needle users.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2007 18:13:01 GMT -6
Perhaps they should hire 60's hippies to do the "needle work"...(if there are any still alive)... Just for your information, not all 'hippies' are or were needle users. Ginger, I'm beginning to think that some of small stupid stuff ya gotta learn to just walk right on by......................... Now, where's my tourniquet? for the dimwitted ~ I was joking. I really shoot the sheet up my nose for the really really dimwitted ~ who the hell cares whatcha think?
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Post by josephdphillips on Jun 14, 2007 20:30:46 GMT -6
If he received LWOP that would be illegal. It is, however, a point noone is addressing that in a couple of decades time LWOP will mean that there are lots of harmless seniors in prison costing the taxpayer a fortune. These folks weren't harmless at the moment of their crimes. That's all that matters.
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Post by arizonavet on Jun 14, 2007 20:34:03 GMT -6
Perhaps they should hire 60's hippies to do the "needle work"...(if there are any still alive)... Just for your information, not all 'hippies' are or were needle users. Oh hell, here we go again... Ginger, it was a joke...of questionable jocularity....but not intended to insult... I'm bald....go ahead, make a "bald joke".....if it's funny, I'll laugh. Ginger, I'm 63....I smoked grass straight throungh the 60's... I never used needles....and the friends of mine who are still alive didn't either....others did, and well....you know..... Please, stop looking for insults.....and NEVER mistake me for being "politically correct"..... I'm learning here.....posters who like me.....like me for who I am... Those who don't, never will......oh well. I'd definatly LOVE to put you in the former group, if I can....
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Post by brumsongs on Jun 14, 2007 20:34:54 GMT -6
If he received LWOP that would be illegal. It is, however, a point noone is addressing that in a couple of decades time LWOP will mean that there are lots of harmless seniors in prison costing the taxpayer a fortune. These folks weren't harmless at the moment of their crimes. That's all that matters. Plenty of them are convicted at 18, all I'm saying is that incarceration is expensive. Joe, do you really believe that murder is something that can be irradicated?
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Post by Stormyweather on Jun 14, 2007 20:49:46 GMT -6
These folks weren't harmless at the moment of their crimes. That's all that matters. Plenty of them are convicted at 18, all I'm saying is that incarceration is expensive. Joe, do you really believe that murder is something that can be irradicated? So what if incarceration is expensive. So are funerals. So because we believe we can't eradicate murder we shouldn't punish it as harshly as it should be. Murderers didn't break someone's window and then run away. They took a human life and it should be treated as the crime it is.
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Post by onetwobomb on Jun 14, 2007 20:57:00 GMT -6
These folks weren't harmless at the moment of their crimes. That's all that matters. Plenty of them are convicted at 18, all I'm saying is that incarceration is expensive. Joe, do you really believe that murder is something that can be irradicated? All the more reason to execute them.
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Post by brumsongs on Jun 14, 2007 21:11:17 GMT -6
Plenty of them are convicted at 18, all I'm saying is that incarceration is expensive. Joe, do you really believe that murder is something that can be irradicated? All the more reason to execute them. I think you articulate the general view here well. It's all about to get very personal for me and I reckon this is not the best place to be for the moment.
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Post by josephdphillips on Jun 14, 2007 21:19:57 GMT -6
Plenty of them are convicted at 18, all I'm saying is that incarceration is expensive. Joe, do you really believe that murder is something that can be irradicated? Snowy answered this question the same way I would have. You have an utterly amoral view of human nature, Ben. It's sad.
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Post by brumsongs on Jun 14, 2007 21:29:40 GMT -6
Plenty of them are convicted at 18, all I'm saying is that incarceration is expensive. Joe, do you really believe that murder is something that can be irradicated? Snowy answered this question the same way I would have. You have an utterly amoral view of human nature, Ben. It's sad. You're right, sorry for polluting your world .
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Post by Matt on Jun 14, 2007 21:48:20 GMT -6
Where does "cruel and unusual " begin then? There are lots of people on DR who offed people with a single shot- if you are happy to see people executed painfully for that then we all have a philosophical problem I think..... You oppose the DP, and so would be expected to argue that any method is unnecessarily cruel or unusual, wouldn't you? Even though I might be pleased on some level to see a murderer brutally executed, that does not mean that I would advocate that method. The method of execution is immaterial to me, and indeed I believe the Anti movement to be very successfully exploiting the "issue of method" to divert attention from the real, fundamental questions of the DP. The important point is that the execution is carried out, whatever the method. It doesn't matter if the condemned murdered 10 people with a bat, or pierced his wife's heart cleanly with a bullet in the heat of passion. Both deserve to die by the same method. Executions haven't fallen below the C&U standard since the times of drawing and quartering. Everything used since then - whether beheading, hanging (the long drop), shooting, etc., has been designed to and in almost every case was extremely successful in dispatching the condemned swiftly and with a minimum of fuss. A few people hanged have their heads pop off over the course of 50 years, and suddenly we can't use that method anymore. The same thing is now being said of LI, but instead of simply admitting to ourselves that an execution is by default highly likely to be at least somewhat painful to the executee, we go into spin cycle mode trying to argue with those who hold that it causes too much pain. News flash: yes, it does. It can't be helped.
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Post by crappieboy on Jun 15, 2007 5:40:10 GMT -6
This is a PDP poster boy.... notice the bleeding heart anti's are not crying over this two time loser Perhaps because there is not enough time left to develop a meaningful relationship, and he's not leaving earth in a hail of publicity regarding his execution - he's simply going to die a slow death the way so many of us do.
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Post by Lotus Flower on Jun 15, 2007 10:02:59 GMT -6
"He's had enough compassion," Gary Stringer said of Bland. "He's had enough mercy. We need some justice here."
That sums it up to me.
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Post by spur on Jun 15, 2007 10:16:58 GMT -6
Perhaps because there is not enough time left to develop a meaningful relationship, and he's not leaving earth in a hail of publicity regarding his execution - he's simply going to die a slow death the way so many of us do. Plus this POS is the anti's nightmare.... kidnapped and killed once ......released and then killed again.... it goes against their whole game plan of rehabilitation and remorse. I bet he is not even listed on the Anti's up coming execution alerts. If the state the "BTK" dude lived in had the DP.... I am pretty sure they wouldn't be trying too hard to save him either. I think most anti's secretly support or turn their heads and allow the executions of those who dragged their cods in the face of their purpose.
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Post by brumsongs on Jun 15, 2007 11:48:05 GMT -6
Perhaps because there is not enough time left to develop a meaningful relationship, and he's not leaving earth in a hail of publicity regarding his execution - he's simply going to die a slow death the way so many of us do. Plus this POS is the anti's nightmare.... kidnapped and killed once ......released and then killed again.... it goes against their whole game plan of rehabilitation and remorse. I bet he is not even listed on the Anti's up coming execution alerts. If the state the "BTK" dude lived in had the DP.... I am pretty sure they wouldn't be trying too hard to save him either. I think most anti's secretly support or turn their heads and allow the executions of those who dragged their cods in the face of their purpose. Not this one.
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Post by arizonavet on Jun 18, 2007 15:36:23 GMT -6
Plenty of them are convicted at 18, all I'm saying is that incarceration is expensive. Joe, do you really believe that murder is something that can be irradicated? So what if incarceration is expensive. So are funerals. So because we believe we can't eradicate murder we shouldn't punish it as harshly as it should be. Murderers didn't break someone's window and then run away. They took a human life and it should be treated as the crime it is. So what if incarceration is expensive. Expensive.....? ONLY...because we wait 20 years to execute them. If they used my, (and others here) "1 year MAX" plan.... Executions would be dirt-cheap, compared to supporting them for their worthless lives....or paying for high priced lawyers (on BOTH sides)....to endlessly agrue....something that has already been decided.....in court.
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Post by rick4404 on Jun 20, 2007 19:49:56 GMT -6
I suppose Gov. Brad Henry could step in and commute Bland's sentence for "humanitarian reasons," since the inmate is dying of cancer anyway. In that case, commutation to a life sentence without parole would mean the same thing. He'll leave prison in a body bag either way.
However, in Oklahoma the governor must receive a favorable recommendation from the state pardons board before he can commute the sentence.
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Post by arizonavet on Jun 21, 2007 12:21:00 GMT -6
The real dichotomy here is that if you or I persuaded a doctor to up the diamorphine so we could drift away peacefully then both the patient (deceased) and physician become felons. That is truly screwed up. Yes it is....reciently, a very close friend/relative died of lung cancer.....after a two year chemo fight....in the hospital,the very night, SHE stated a desire, to die.....she was given moriphine for the first time & like you said...."drifted off peacefull"... Some coincidence.....I don't know, but I wanted to hug every one of them....and thank them. Not only could the doctor, nurse, and staff of the hospital be eligible for a felony.....they could have been murderers, and under the prevailing "plan" here....been executed! While multiple child-raping beasts......get out in 10 years or LESS! Now THIS, is the true definition of "screwed up".
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Post by amazonfuneralpyre on Jun 24, 2007 22:41:27 GMT -6
Maybe they should call Dr. Kevorkian in on June 26th. This way he could legally end the life of a terminally ill person. Now there's a 3rd degree BURN for ya!!!
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Post by rick4404 on Jun 25, 2007 7:23:45 GMT -6
The real dichotomy here is that if you or I persuaded a doctor to up the diamorphine so we could drift away peacefully then both the patient (deceased) and physician become felons. That is truly screwed up. Yes it is....reciently, a very close friend/relative died of lung cancer.....after a two year chemo fight....in the hospital,the very night, SHE stated a desire, to die.....she was given moriphine for the first time & like you said...."drifted off peacefull"... Some coincidence.....I don't know, but I wanted to hug every one of them....and thank them. Not only could the doctor, nurse, and staff of the hospital be eligible for a felony.....they could have been murderers, and under the prevailing "plan" here....been executed! While multiple child-raping beasts......get out in 10 years or LESS! Now THIS, is the true definition of "screwed up". Something like that would draw at the minimum, assisting in a suicide charges in every state except Oregon, which does allow a physician to give a lethal quantity of medication to someone; but the patient has to somehow administer it to himself/herself.
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Post by Stormyweather on Jun 25, 2007 10:03:01 GMT -6
Oklahoma to execute terminally ill convictOklahoma is set to execute a convicted murderer by lethal injection on Tuesday who is terminally ill with cancer and is expected to die in a few months' time anyway. Jimmy Dale Bland, 49, was condemned for the murder of Doyle Windle Rains, whom he shot in the back of the head during an apparent quarrel in 1996. In a motion filed with the U.S. Supreme Court on Sunday, Bland's attorney, David Autry, said the execution would violate the U.S. Constitution's 8th amendment, which prohibits "cruel and unusual punishment." Autry said his client's cancer was spreading and was infecting his lungs, adrenal glands and spinal column. He said Bland only had a few months to live. "It's a sickening spectacle to strap somebody down to a gurney and kill them in the name of the state when they are going to be dead from natural causes. This is about nothing more than naked vengeance," he told Reuters. Bland has been undergoing chemotherapy treatments. Assistant Oklahoma Attorney General Seth Branham said that Bland's illness should not thwart the course of justice. "He claims that because he's got cancer, that's a reason to let him go ahead and live a year or so and die on his own terms. If that's what he wanted, he shouldn't have shot Windle Rains in the back of the head," Branham told Reuters. If his execution goes ahead as scheduled, Bland will be the second inmate executed in Oklahoma this year. www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN2529150720070625
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Post by Lotus Flower on Jun 26, 2007 9:33:12 GMT -6
If Bland had received LWOP instead of a death sentence Brums, would you consider letting him go home to die, since he's supposedly no longer a threat? If he received LWOP that would be illegal. It is, however, a point noone is addressing that in a couple of decades time LWOP will mean that there are lots of harmless seniors in prison costing the taxpayer a fortune. Not if you execute them first.
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Post by brumsongs on Jun 26, 2007 10:03:10 GMT -6
If he received LWOP that would be illegal. It is, however, a point noone is addressing that in a couple of decades time LWOP will mean that there are lots of harmless seniors in prison costing the taxpayer a fortune. Not if you execute them first. I think you'll find that executing people who've been sentenced to life is illegal.
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Post by Lotus Flower on Jun 26, 2007 10:10:31 GMT -6
Not if you execute them first. I think you'll find that executing people who've been sentenced to life is illegal. Bland is sentenced to DEATH, as it should be. But, go ahead, defend why exactly a murderer should live.
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Post by brumsongs on Jun 26, 2007 10:19:08 GMT -6
I think you'll find that executing people who've been sentenced to life is illegal. Bland is sentenced to DEATH, as it should be. But, go ahead, defend why exactly a murderer should live. No, it has nothing to do with the point. What I said was simply that all these LWOP prisoners will need a lot of care when they are elderly and that will be expensive. The fry circus only exists in the imagination of extremists- it will never happen.
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Post by hawkslady on Jun 26, 2007 21:31:46 GMT -6
Perhaps because there is not enough time left to develop a meaningful relationship, and he's not leaving earth in a hail of publicity regarding his execution - he's simply going to die a slow death the way so many of us do. Plus this POS is the anti's nightmare.... kidnapped and killed once ......released and then killed again.... it goes against their whole game plan of rehabilitation and remorse. I bet he is not even listed on the Anti's up coming execution alerts. If the state the "BTK" dude lived in had the DP.... I am pretty sure they wouldn't be trying too hard to save him either. I think most anti's secretly support or turn their heads and allow the executions of those who dragged their cods in the face of their purpose. The keyword is "released"; as an anti I believe in lwop so release is not a possibility nor does this man give me nightmares as I would not have released him in the first place. I think it is cruel to execute this inmate at this point as it seems he only has a few months left; he's going to die so does it matter which way at this point? yone
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Post by Californian on Jun 26, 2007 21:37:37 GMT -6
(Yawn) Gee, we never hear this from an anti. Try to think of it as a particularly strict regimen of chemotherapy. Does that help?
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Post by onetwobomb on Jun 26, 2007 21:38:14 GMT -6
Plus this POS is the anti's nightmare.... kidnapped and killed once ......released and then killed again.... it goes against their whole game plan of rehabilitation and remorse. I bet he is not even listed on the Anti's up coming execution alerts. If the state the "BTK" dude lived in had the DP.... I am pretty sure they wouldn't be trying too hard to save him either. I think most anti's secretly support or turn their heads and allow the executions of those who dragged their cods in the face of their purpose. The keyword is "released"; as an anti I believe in lwop so release is not a possibility nor does this man give me nightmares as I would not have released him in the first place. I think it is cruel to execute this inmate at this point as it seems he only has a few months left; he's going to die so does it matter which way at this point? yone I would say to show that there's no excuse for murder or for avoiding execution, but then there's so many other murders that escape execution. So I guess the point is that he's still a murderer and doesn't deserve those extra few months.
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Post by PIP on Jun 26, 2007 21:38:59 GMT -6
Plus this POS is the anti's nightmare.... kidnapped and killed once ......released and then killed again.... it goes against their whole game plan of rehabilitation and remorse. I bet he is not even listed on the Anti's up coming execution alerts. If the state the "BTK" dude lived in had the DP.... I am pretty sure they wouldn't be trying too hard to save him either. I think most anti's secretly support or turn their heads and allow the executions of those who dragged their cods in the face of their purpose. The keyword is "released"; as an anti I believe in lwop so release is not a possibility nor does this man give me nightmares as I would not have released him in the first place. I think it is cruel to execute this inmate at this point as it seems he only has a few months left; he's going to die so does it matter which way at this point? yone In my experience, when one tells lies one has a difficult time remembering what they told to whom. Take this post written by you from Jun 23, 2007, 9:54pm (contrasted with what is above of course): prodp.proboards47.com/index.cgi?board=Board&action=display&thread=1182653686&page=1#1182653686
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Post by hawkslady on Jun 26, 2007 22:02:17 GMT -6
The keyword is "released"; as an anti I believe in lwop so release is not a possibility nor does this man give me nightmares as I would not have released him in the first place. I think it is cruel to execute this inmate at this point as it seems he only has a few months left; he's going to die so does it matter which way at this point? yone In my experience, when one tells lies one has a difficult time remembering what they told to whom. Take this post written by you from Jun 23, 2007, 9:54pm (contrasted with what is above of course): prodp.proboards47.com/index.cgi?board=Board&action=display&thread=1182653686&page=1#1182653686I don't dispute what I wrote; I prefer lwop but since we have the death penalty then I have to clarify my belief where that is concerned. I would prefer lwop over the death penalty but that isn't always the case is it. No lies....does that disappoint you? I have a feeling you have no life whatsoever and will spend fruitless hours trying to prove I'm someone you think I am but will find you are wrong.
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