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Post by bernard on Jul 10, 2015 21:55:34 GMT -6
I thought people on the right were in favor of people taking responsibility for their own actions. If you go to an execution, and it turns out to be ickier than you expected, tough. You're there to witness the execution, good or bad. Tell you what. Since you're worried about the sensitivity of the people watching, let them leave. The curtain stays open though. Deal? Good lets show crime scene photos too at executions. Deal? The state does not have the right to prohibit by suppression either view point. I'm talking about witnesses at an execution, people who are there to ensure the process is performed properly and with due regard to the law. At least, that's what I always thought they were there to do, and no-one has told me any different on this thread. You seem to think they are there for a debate. Open curtain = argument for abolition. Which means the "other side" should be able to quietly hand out pictures of the murder as a way to "argue their side". I want you to tell me more about this wonderful idea. Who would represent each side? And should people wear special debating outfits?
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 11, 2015 8:35:27 GMT -6
Good lets show crime scene photos too at executions. Deal? The state does not have the right to prohibit by suppression either view point. I'm talking about witnesses at an execution, people who are there to ensure the process is performed properly and with due regard to the law. quote] Witnesses? Which witnesses are there to ensure it is performed properly? Who are you putting that responsibility on. All the witnesses even those who know nothing about the process first time seeing an execution like the familys?
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 11, 2015 9:38:56 GMT -6
Here Barney is a list of what you call an audience" Relatives of the victims Relatives of the to be executed. Prison warden Medical personnel Spiritual advisor Prison guards Official grp of state selected witnesses Media. Lets forget the curtain bernard for a minute. Which of the above should be held accountable for a execution that went amok, which is rare by the way. From what I read an article stated the official grp of state"selected witnesses where watching in an overflow room on closed circuit TV. That closed circuit TV was shut off when the procedure went south. That i do not understand nor agree with.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 11, 2015 11:32:20 GMT -6
My final thoughts on this topic, he is dead as intended to be, sick of hearing his name. What was the victims name?
Tired of anti's bs & liberals bs, time to stop *deleted* footing around, give inmates like him a choice of firing squad, or hanging. Nothing to play on anymore.
Emotion is not part of the law, for victims so, same should apply for this pos & those like him.
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Post by bernard on Jul 11, 2015 19:20:49 GMT -6
I'm talking about witnesses at an execution, people who are there to ensure the process is performed properly and with due regard to the law. Witnesses? Which witnesses are there to ensure it is performed properly? Who are you putting that responsibility on. All the witnesses even those who know nothing about the process first time seeing an execution like the familys? And you wonder why I use big letters. Here Barney is a list of what you call an audience" 1. Relatives of the victims 2. Relatives of the to be executed. 3. Prison warden 4. Medical personnel 5. Spiritual advisor 6. Prison guards 7. Official grp of state selected witnesses
8. Media.
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Post by bernard on Jul 11, 2015 19:23:50 GMT -6
Here Barney is a list of what you call an audience" Relatives of the victims Relatives of the to be executed. Prison warden Medical personnel Spiritual advisor Prison guards Official grp of state selected witnesses Media. Lets forget the curtain bernard for a minute. Which of the above should be held accountable for a execution that went amok, which is rare by the way. From what I read an article stated the official grp of state"selected witnesses where watching in an overflow room on closed circuit TV. That closed circuit TV was shut off when the procedure went south. That i do not understand nor agree with. How is that any different from closing the curtain, confused one?
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Post by bernard on Jul 11, 2015 19:26:15 GMT -6
My final thoughts on this topic, he is dead as intended to be, sick of hearing his name. What was the victims name? We weren't discussing a particular case. I'm not even sure whose name you are tired of hearing. Could you count up how many times that name has been used on this thread? Of course emotion is part of the law. That's why women get lighter sentences than men.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 15, 2015 14:19:45 GMT -6
My final thoughts on this topic, he is dead as intended to be, sick of hearing his name. What was the victims name? Tired of anti's bs & liberals bs, time to stop *deleted* footing around, give inmates like him a choice of firing squad, or hanging. Nothing to play on anymore. Emotion is not part of the law, for victims so, same should apply for this pos & those like him.
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Post by bernard on Jul 15, 2015 21:28:37 GMT -6
My final thoughts on this topic, he is dead as intended to be, sick of hearing his name. What was the victims name? We weren't discussing a particular case. I'm not even sure whose name you are tired of hearing. Could you count up how many times that name has been used on this thread? Of course emotion is part of the law. That's why women get lighter sentences than men.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 16, 2015 7:51:10 GMT -6
(My final thoughts on this topic,) he is dead as intended to be, sick of hearing his name. What was the victims name? Tired of anti's bs & liberals bs, time to stop *deleted* footing around, give inmates like him a choice of firing squad, or hanging. Nothing to play on anymore. Emotion is not part of the law, for victims so, same should apply for this pos & those like him. Again no sense in quoting me, end of topic for me. Bernard.
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Post by bernard on Jul 16, 2015 12:53:33 GMT -6
Again no sense in quoting me, end of topic for me. Bernard. The way you cling to this dead forum like a limpet I hadn't pegged you for a quitter. But fair enough. Feel free to rejoin the discussion if you have any new thoughts.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 16, 2015 13:07:52 GMT -6
Again no sense in quoting me, end of topic for me. Bernard. The way you cling to this dead forum like a limpet I hadn't pegged you for a quitter. But fair enough. Feel free to rejoin the discussion if you have any new thoughts. I'm not dead, & I am no quitter either. Nor do I scare easily, or get intimidated ( which some here did try to do at first.
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Post by bernard on Jul 16, 2015 14:34:12 GMT -6
The way you cling to this dead forum like a limpet I hadn't pegged you for a quitter. But fair enough. Feel free to rejoin the discussion if you have any new thoughts. I'm not dead, & I am no quitter either. Nor do I scare easily, or get intimidated ( which some here did try to do at first. I meant new thoughts of interest.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 16, 2015 14:53:55 GMT -6
I'm not dead, & I am no quitter either. Nor do I scare easily, or get intimidated ( which some here did try to do at first. I meant new thoughts of interest. I will say this one more time, no more comments on this topic. I only replied to your post remarks. Simple" you could have said" if I have anymore thoughts on that topic post them. Again, I gave my final thougths to your threads orginal title.
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Post by bernard on Jul 16, 2015 15:03:38 GMT -6
I meant new thoughts of interest. I will say this one more time, no more comments on this topic. I only replied to your post remarks. Simple" you could have said" if I have anymore thoughts on that topic post them. Again, I gave my final thougths to your threads orginal title. What did you think of my answer, that the law is full of emotion which is why women get shorter sentences for the same crime?
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 18, 2015 19:52:09 GMT -6
I will say this one more time, no more comments on this topic. I only replied to your post remarks. Simple" you could have said" if I have anymore thoughts on that topic post them. Again, I gave my final thougths to your threads orginal title. What did you think of my answer, that the law is full of emotion which is why women get shorter sentences for the same crime? Women have been executed too. The women who get shorter sentences than a man is not that simple, did she have many priors? Too many circumstances to give a black & white answer involved in each individual case. Want I do know many women kill when abused by a man, then in prison some male guards abuse them yet again. You private messaged me to answer this question.
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Post by bernard on Jul 18, 2015 21:02:37 GMT -6
What did you think of my answer, that the law is full of emotion which is why women get shorter sentences for the same crime? Women have been executed too. The women who get shorter sentences than a man is not that simple, did she have many priors? Too many circumstances to give a black & white answer involved in each individual case. I'm not asking about individual cases, but about the statistical trend. There is a strong correlation between being a woman and getting a lighter sentence for the same crime.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 18, 2015 21:22:14 GMT -6
Women have been executed too. The women who get shorter sentences than a man is not that simple, did she have many priors? Too many circumstances to give a black & white answer involved in each individual case. I'm not asking about individual cases, but about the statistical trend. There is a strong correlation between being a woman and getting a lighter sentence for the same crime. Maybe there is a connection here, why are women paid less than a man doing the same job?
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Post by bernard on Jul 18, 2015 22:13:41 GMT -6
I'm not asking about individual cases, but about the statistical trend. There is a strong correlation between being a woman and getting a lighter sentence for the same crime. Maybe there is a connection here, why are women paid less than a man doing the same job? They aren't. Women make about 70 something cents to the dollar when when salaries are averaged over the population as a whole. But that is not comparing like for like since the women generally have different jobs than the men. So this is not evidence that women get paid less for doing the same job. Men typically choose (i) harder STEM subject courses at college that will get them more pay in the long run (ii) more dangerous jobs (93% of workplace fatalities are male) that consequently pay more (iii) jobs that involve a longer commute and, generally, less work-home balance and, in addition, (iv) they work longer hours. Once you take all that into account the pay gap vanishes. www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-that-we-end-the-equal-pay-myth/And why wouldn't it? What self-respecting capitalist would hire a man when he can hire a woman for less pay? If there really were a 25% shortfall in female salaries, women would be competing men out of the workplace.
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Post by VA Justice on Jul 24, 2015 8:26:13 GMT -6
The state witnesses are there to ensure that the sentence is carried out in accordance with the law. In other words, ensuring that the inmate is not kicked or beaten to death in a clandestine manner.
I witnessed several executions in Virginia and felt the presence of citizen witnesses was as important as say allowing spectators at a trial or observers at a voting precinct.
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Post by bernard on Jul 25, 2015 2:45:04 GMT -6
The state witnesses are there to ensure that the sentence is carried out in accordance with the law. In other words, ensuring that the inmate is not kicked or beaten to death in a clandestine manner. Closing the curtain defeats the object then, huh?
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