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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 7, 2015 9:50:26 GMT -6
What is it they say about great minds? Ahhh ?? Great minds? That it is the sort of thing a person would say who " fancies themselves to be in that category "?
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 7, 2015 10:19:43 GMT -6
Here Barney is a list of what you call an audience"
Relatives of the victims Relatives of the to be executed. Prison warden Medical personnel Spiritual advisor Prison guards Official grp of state selected witnesses Media.
In some cases there are more relatives than witness area can hold. There is an overflow room for them to witness via closed circuit TV.
Are you saying, even the relatives on either side have no right to be an "audience" per Barney? Or asking what is the point of them ( relatives) for being there ? If I was a relative on either side, I would tell you to put it where the sun don't shine, I'd have every right to be there !!!
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Post by bernard on Jul 7, 2015 19:44:28 GMT -6
What is it they say about great minds? Ahhh ?? Great minds? That it is the sort of thing a person would say who " fancies themselves to be in that category "? No. It's that they think alike. Like you and the guy who posted on the last page.
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Post by bernard on Jul 7, 2015 19:46:28 GMT -6
Here Barney is a list of what you call an audience" 1. Relatives of the victims 2. Relatives of the to be executed. 3. Prison warden 4. Medical personnel 5. Spiritual advisor 6. Prison guards 7. Official grp of state selected witnesses
8. Media. In some cases there are more relatives than witness area can hold. There is an overflow room for them to witness via closed circuit TV. Are you saying, even the relatives on either side have no right to be an "audience" per Barney? Or asking what is the point of them ( relatives) for being there ? If I was a relative on either side, I would tell you to put it where the sun don't shine, I'd have every right to be there !!! No. I was asking what is the point of group 7.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 7, 2015 20:33:56 GMT -6
Ahhh ?? Great minds? That it is the sort of thing a person would say who " fancies themselves to be in that category "? No. It's that they think alike. Like you and the guy who posted on the last page. You need to lighten up.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 7, 2015 20:36:03 GMT -6
Here Barney is a list of what you call an audience" 1. Relatives of the victims 2. Relatives of the to be executed. 3. Prison warden 4. Medical personnel 5. Spiritual advisor 6. Prison guards 7. Official grp of state selected witnesses
8. Media. In some cases there are more relatives than witness area can hold. There is an overflow room for them to witness via closed circuit TV. Are you saying, even the relatives on either side have no right to be an "audience" per Barney? Or asking what is the point of them ( relatives) for being there ? If I was a relative on either side, I would tell you to put it where the sun don't shine, I'd have every right to be there !!! No. I was asking what is the point of group 7. Anti's, Pro's, Reps & Dems. Fair balance. To add: by the way I have good vision,no glass's needed here. No need for the enlargement on #7. But thanks anyhow.
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Post by bernard on Jul 7, 2015 21:34:04 GMT -6
No. It's that they think alike. Like you and the guy who posted on the last page. You need to lighten up. You want me to laugh even harder at you guys rushing to make the same joke?
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Post by bernard on Jul 7, 2015 21:36:01 GMT -6
No. I was asking what is the point of group 7. Anti's, Pro's, Reps & Dems. Fair balance. I am asking what purpose the witnesses serve, when the curtain is drawn when the idiots start to screw up. I'm not sure what question you are answering. You need to lighten up.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 7, 2015 21:55:01 GMT -6
You want me to laugh even harder at you guys rushing to make the same joke? Cali had the wrong guy, I put in Bernie the name I know you as. I had a good laugh. You had a good laugh so what's the big deal?
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 7, 2015 21:56:54 GMT -6
Anti's, Pro's, Reps & Dems. Fair balance. I am asking what purpose the witnesses serve, when the curtain is drawn when the idiots start to screw up. I'm not sure what question you are answering. You need to lighten up. Nah, people on the internet find that to be Yelling. Or in your face hopping mad.
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Post by bernard on Jul 7, 2015 22:30:53 GMT -6
You want me to laugh even harder at you guys rushing to make the same joke? Cali had the wrong guy, I put in Bernie the name I know you as. I had a good laugh. You had a good laugh so what's the big deal? I was about to laugh at Cali's joke, but then I noticed you'd ruined it. But that made me laugh.
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Post by bernard on Jul 7, 2015 22:31:23 GMT -6
I am asking what purpose the witnesses serve, when the curtain is drawn when the idiots start to screw up. I'm not sure what question you are answering. You need to lighten up. Nah, people on the internet find that to be Yelling. Or in your face hopping mad. No chance of discussing the topic then? Thought not.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 7, 2015 22:42:26 GMT -6
[quote source="/post/626019/thread" timestamp="1436322963" author=" ]I am asking what purpose the witnesses serve, when the curtain is drawn when the idiots start to screw up. I'm not sure what question you are answering.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 7, 2015 22:58:19 GMT -6
Nah, people on the internet find that to be Yelling. Or in your face hopping mad. No chance of discussing the topic then? Thought not. No, simply saying no need for yelling
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Post by bernard on Jul 7, 2015 23:09:54 GMT -6
[quote source="/post/626019/thread" timestamp="1436322963" author=" ]I am asking what purpose the witnesses serve, when the curtain is drawn when the idiots start to screw up. I'm not sure what question you are answering. Could you improve the formatting on this? It's very hard to read. Thanks.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 8, 2015 8:57:44 GMT -6
Could you improve the formatting on this? It's very hard to read. Thanks. Sure. What exactly is your point, in keeping the curtain open. Why does that bother you they closed the curtain? What benefit would it do in your mind? To leave the curtain open? What would it accomplish in your mind for witnesses by keeping the curtain open? Why does it upset you the officials being there, you know the one your yelling about #7.
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Post by bernard on Jul 8, 2015 12:42:25 GMT -6
Sure. What exactly is your point, in keeping the curtain open. Why does that bother you they closed the curtain? It just leaves me puzzled. Allow witnesses to… witness. It would give them a better view of what it is they are supposed to be witnessing. It puzzles me that they simply draw the curtain on the state appointed witnesses. Seems to defeat the purpose, which I thought was to verify that procedures are followed, the process is constitutional, etc.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 8, 2015 13:50:50 GMT -6
Procedure was followed.
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Post by bernard on Jul 8, 2015 15:02:37 GMT -6
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 8, 2015 17:06:39 GMT -6
Obviously a response was made, you just did not like it.
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Post by bernard on Jul 9, 2015 0:07:24 GMT -6
Obviously a response was made, you just did not like it. Relevant response was not made.
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Post by fuglyville on Jul 9, 2015 5:45:46 GMT -6
Sure. What exactly is your point, in keeping the curtain open. Why does that bother you they closed the curtain? What benefit would it do in your mind? To leave the curtain open? What would it accomplish in your mind for witnesses by keeping the curtain open? Why does it upset you the officials being there, you know the one your yelling about #7. The point of having witnesses, should be to assure transparency in the process - as long as this is done in the name of the people, the people have a right to know. And if something goes wrong in the process, the people should have the right to know what happened - and who was responsible. The execution protocols in several states has long been hidden under a shroud of secrecy - and those that are released, still have large portions edited out. If they don't have anything to hide, releasing the full and unedited protocols shouldn't be an issue - and in a process such as this, there shouldn't be anything to hide. If the authorities deliberately fight to keep information away from the people, there is a democratic problem.
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Post by fuglyville on Jul 9, 2015 5:57:14 GMT -6
Sure. What exactly is your point, in keeping the curtain open. Why does that bother you they closed the curtain? What benefit would it do in your mind? To leave the curtain open? What would it accomplish in your mind for witnesses by keeping the curtain open? Why does it upset you the officials being there, you know the one your yelling about #7. And protecting those involved in the execution is hardly a good reason. No one is forcing them to participate - if they deliberately choose to do so, they should be prepared to accept responsibility.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 9, 2015 11:00:10 GMT -6
Sure. What exactly is your point, in keeping the curtain open. Why does that bother you they closed the curtain? What benefit would it do in your mind? To leave the curtain open? What would it accomplish in your mind for witnesses by keeping the curtain open? Why does it upset you the officials being there, you know the one your yelling about #7. The point of having witnesses, should be to assure transparency in the process - as long as this is done in the name of the people, the people have a right to know. And if something goes wrong in the process, the people should have the right to know what happened - and who was responsible. The execution protocols in several states has long been hidden under a shroud of secrecy - and those that are released, still have large portions edited out. If they don't have anything to hide, releasing the full and unedited protocols shouldn't be an issue - and in a process such as this, there shouldn't be anything to hide. If the authorities deliberately fight to keep information away from the people, there is a democratic problem. If it is done in the name of "all the people" to witness" nothing withheld your bringing it a level up to public executions. Also that should apply to all executions not for just the rare botched ones too. In my opinion it was not the DP itself that is wrong for those who commit heinous crimes it means, it was not the drug that was wrong, it was lack of dosage only 1/5 th of the dosage inadequate training, who the heck trained them? Who provided the one wrong needle? No anti could claim this guy was innocent either.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 9, 2015 11:11:23 GMT -6
Sure. What exactly is your point, in keeping the curtain open. Why does that bother you they closed the curtain? What benefit would it do in your mind? To leave the curtain open? What would it accomplish in your mind for witnesses by keeping the curtain open? Why does it upset you the officials being there, you know the one your yelling about #7. And protecting those involved in the execution is hardly a good reason. No one is forcing them to participate - if they deliberately choose to do so, they should be prepared to accept responsibility. No one should be forced to watch either. Especially in their face like family members on either side sitting in as witnesses too if something goes amok. I do appreciate your answers/reply to my questions, compared to what I get from one other poster on this though.
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Post by fuglyville on Jul 9, 2015 17:40:49 GMT -6
And protecting those involved in the execution is hardly a good reason. No one is forcing them to participate - if they deliberately choose to do so, they should be prepared to accept responsibility. No one should be forced to watch either. Especially in their face like family members on either side sitting in as witnesses too if something goes amok. I do appreciate your answers/reply to my questions, compared to what I get from one other poster on this though. As far as I know, no one is forced to witness an execution..
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 9, 2015 17:58:28 GMT -6
No one should be forced to watch either. Especially in their face like family members on either side sitting in as witnesses too if something goes amok. I do appreciate your answers/reply to my questions, compared to what I get from one other poster on this though. As far as I know, no one is forced to witness an execution.. If they had not closed the curtain they would have been witness to the botched execution. No?
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Post by bernard on Jul 9, 2015 19:04:30 GMT -6
And protecting those involved in the execution is hardly a good reason. No one is forcing them to participate - if they deliberately choose to do so, they should be prepared to accept responsibility. No one should be forced to watch either. Especially in their face like family members on either side sitting in as witnesses too if something goes amok. I do appreciate your answers/reply to my questions, compared to what I get from one other poster on this though. Quit your whining.
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Post by bernard on Jul 9, 2015 19:06:48 GMT -6
And protecting those involved in the execution is hardly a good reason. No one is forcing them to participate - if they deliberately choose to do so, they should be prepared to accept responsibility. No one should be forced to watch either. Especially in their face like family members on either side sitting in as witnesses too if something goes amok. I do appreciate your answers/reply to my questions, compared to what I get from one other poster on this though. I thought people on the right were in favor of people taking responsibility for their own actions. If you go to an execution, and it turns out to be ickier than you expected, tough. You're there to witness the execution, good or bad. Tell you what. Since you're worried about the sensitivity of the people watching, let them leave. The curtain stays open though. Deal?
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Post by whitediamonds on Jul 9, 2015 19:29:10 GMT -6
No one should be forced to watch either. Especially in their face like family members on either side sitting in as witnesses too if something goes amok. I do appreciate your answers/reply to my questions, compared to what I get from one other poster on this though. I thought people on the right were in favor of people taking responsibility for their own actions. If you go to an execution, and it turns out to be ickier than you expected, tough. You're there to witness the execution, good or bad. Tell you what. Since you're worried about the sensitivity of the people watching, let them leave. The curtain stays open though. Deal? Good lets show crime scene photos too at executions. Deal? The state does not have the right to prohibit by suppression either view point.
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