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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 20:32:47 GMT -6
I did not put it in caps, Neither did I. I thought you said that abortion was murder. But now you sound as if it is okay provided the adults responsible pay for the assassination. Nothing is black & white or perfect. Sometimes abortion is for a rational reason, just like the DP is.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 20:43:12 GMT -6
Neither did I. I thought you said that abortion was murder. But now you sound as if it is okay provided the adults responsible pay for the assassination. Nothing is black & white or perfect. Sometimes abortion is for a rational reason, just like the DP is. Yeah, but here you are saying that murder is rational when the people responsible are willing to pay privately. Er….
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 21:23:06 GMT -6
No sorry wrong again Bernie, guess you just expect that to be the norm for all women. Not really. I was just trying to understand your double standard. I.e. why is abortion murder in your opinion, but the morning-after pill is not? I.e. why is it okay, in your opinion, to murder a kid when that child's father is a rapist? I.e. why do you think it is okay to murder a child so long as mommy and daddy pay for the murder privately? Let me guess, this is the point where you conveniently pretend to stop understanding English. I am not doing the double talk, you are. Wrong to "ever" use the DP & take a life is your stance. But, abortion taking life away is ok per your stance. I say murder is murder. both are murder. Premeditated ending of a life be it by abortion or DP. Both do exactly that" end a life". Even in self defense someone was murdered, someone is dead,life ended. Why restrict the DP "totally"? Yet not restrict abortion totally? I say both abortion & the DP should never be "totally" restricted. If mommy dearest & daddy dearest want to privately murder the life they " may have" created is their choice & should be at their expense. Since no test can prove it is a pregnancy that soon to begin with. No proof. Same if one is raped, the hospital can prevent a Possible" pregnancy but, no test can prove right after the rape if she would even be pregnant from the rape. So there actually is no loss of life. Prevention is not taking a life. Normally too a women is using some kind of b/control to begin with, if she should have sex, or if married which even if unfortunate enough to be raped, getting pregnant from the rape odds are agains't that being a result. I still though would take the morning after pill & speak with hospital staff on that issue.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 22:57:57 GMT -6
If mommy dearest & daddy dearest want to privately murder the life they " may have" created is their choice You're pro-choice.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 23:23:26 GMT -6
If mommy dearest & daddy dearest want to privately murder the life they " may have" created is their choice You're pro-choice. Then as I said I am pro DP too. Murder is acceptable under certain conditions. Ending life is still murder/homicide.
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Post by bernard on Apr 3, 2015 0:12:01 GMT -6
Then as I said I am pro DP too. Murder is acceptable under certain conditions. Ending life is still murder/homicide. "I do not kill babies/innocent life" or agree to allowing someone to tear them apart nor would I do that." --- You, just two pages ago. But now you think it's an acceptable personal choice.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 3, 2015 9:20:03 GMT -6
Then as I said I am pro DP too. Murder is acceptable under certain conditions. Ending life is still murder/homicide. "I do not kill babies/innocent life" or agree to allowing someone to tear them apart nor would I do that." You, just two pages ago. But now you think it's an acceptable personal choice. [/span] [/quote] Yup, some times just like I stated for valid reasons only, which should not come to millions of abortions. Same with the DP some qualify for the DP.
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Post by bernard on Apr 3, 2015 10:05:53 GMT -6
Yup, some times just like I stated for valid reasons only, which should not come to millions of abortions. Yeah but the only "valid reason" you require is that the parents pay for the kill themselves. After all of your sanctimonious warbling about protecting the innocent lives of children, it turns out you were only really interested in trying to reduce taxes for yourself.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 3, 2015 11:13:26 GMT -6
Yeah as I stated too( comprehend Bernie), the morning after pill is not killing it is preventing. No way that I know of that any test can show it resulted in a pregnancy. They can pay for that protection. Exception is"if it was a criminal rape. If a womens life is going to end due to pregnancy, money is well spent thru taxation. I hate my money being spent on those who use abortion as a birth control method. Which way to many are really doing & expect. Tax payers are holding up too much nonsense, lies, the lazy who are able to get a job!!! Valid reasons are always worth paying tax. Every thing should have checks & balances for all the abuse/lies going on & those who want a free ride. Your just making them more irresponsible as well as handicapping them from taking control of their own life just creates a welfare state.
DP does not save me tax money, & incarceration my tax money is again well spent.
So, botton line is I am for homicide for the right reasons. I am consistant.
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Post by bernard on Apr 3, 2015 15:27:46 GMT -6
Woman: Hello Doctor. I want an abortion. Dr Whitediamonds: Only way to end a preg is to stop the already living by tearing it apart. Woman: Well, er, I don't think it's killing anything because it isn't alive yet. Dr Whitediamonds: Making choices to take life or keep life is the same. How can seperate them is BS. Woman: Surely it is my choice what to do with my own body? Are you just going to refuse me, point blank? Dr Whitediamonds: Oh i am just silly like that, I do not kill babies/innocent life or agree to allowing someone to tear them apart nor would I do that. Woman: But it isn't killing! Dr Whitediamonds: Abortion for no rational reasoning is killing life ( human life innocent life) by the millions) for nonsense reasoning, mostly not due to any serious situation. There are so many options over abortion today, & solutions w/o taking a life. Woman: But it's not alive yet. Dr Whitediamonds:: You agree with killing off life is ok, innocent life by tearing that life apart. Woman: No I don't. And anyway, are you trying to tell me that you would not even help someone if their life depended on it? Dr Whitediamonds: Now I believe the women has the right when it involves her life to make the choice. Some women had to make that choice, forced to. Not murder then it is more like a self defense killing. Woman: Ah, so you agree that self-defense isn't murder. Dr Whitediamonds: Even self defense is murder. Woman: But you just said it wasn't. Dr Whitediamonds: Even in self defense someone was murdered, someone is dead,life ended. Nothing is black & white or perfect. Woman: Except your refusal to give a woman an abortion, apparently. Dr Whitediamonds: Just due to the fact she does not want it ? Killing off life is ok? BS. Woman: Ok. Thank you for your time. <gets up to leave> Dr Whitediamonds: I say abortion and the DP should never be *totally* restricted. Woman: <pauses> What? Dr Whitediamonds: If mommy dearest & daddy dearest want to privately murder the life they " may have" created is their choice Woman: <sits back down> Okaaay… ? This is a welcome change of heart. Dr Whitediamonds: Sometimes abortion is for a rational reason. Woman: What do you have in mind? Dr Whitediamonds: The woman should be the resonsible one. Not me the tax payers or the doctors. Woman: Oh, I think I see! Dr Whitediamonds: I hate my money being spent on those who use abortion as a birth control method. Woman: Yes, well, fair enough. <opens purse> Dr Whitediamonds: Murder is acceptable under certain conditions. Woman: Yes I think I understand. Do you take a check? Dr Whitediamonds: Some times just like I stated for valid reasons only. Woman: <writes check> Well I have eight thousand four hundred and fifty valid reasons right here. Dr Whitediamonds: I'll go get my forceps.
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Post by bernard on Apr 3, 2015 15:32:03 GMT -6
Yeah as I stated too( comprehend Bernie), the morning after pill is not killing it is preventing. Bad news for you: Pregnancy begins at the moment of conception.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 3, 2015 16:26:16 GMT -6
Woman: Hello Doctor. I want an abortion. Dr Whitediamonds: Only way to end a preg is to stop the already living by tearing it apart. Woman: Well, er, I don't think it's killing anything because it isn't alive yet. Dr Whitediamonds: Making choices to take life or keep life is the same. How can seperate them is BS. Woman: Surely it is my choice what to do with my own body? Are you just going to refuse me, point blank? Dr Whitediamonds: Oh i am just silly like that, I do not kill babies/innocent life or agree to allowing someone to tear them apart nor would I do that. Woman: But it isn't killing! Dr Whitediamonds: Abortion for no rational reasoning is killing life ( human life innocent life) by the millions) for nonsense reasoning, mostly not due to any serious situation. There are so many options over abortion today, & solutions w/o taking a life. Woman: But it's not alive yet. Dr Whitediamonds:: You agree with killing off life is ok, innocent life by tearing that life apart. Woman: No I don't. And anyway, are you trying to tell me that you would not even help someone if their life depended on it? Dr Whitediamonds: Now I believe the women has the right when it involves her life to make the choice. Some women had to make that choice, forced to. Not murder then it is more like a self defense killing. Woman: Ah, so you agree that self-defense isn't murder. Dr Whitediamonds: Even self defense is murder. Woman: But you just said it wasn't. Dr Whitediamonds: Even in self defense someone was murdered, someone is dead,life ended. Nothing is black & white or perfect. Woman: Except your refusal to give a woman an abortion, apparently. Dr Whitediamonds: Just due to the fact she does not want it ? Killing off life is ok? BS. Woman: Ok. Thank you for your time. <gets up to leave> Dr Whitediamonds: I say abortion and the DP should never be *totally* restricted. Woman: <pauses> What? Dr Whitediamonds: If mommy dearest & daddy dearest want to privately murder the life they " may have" created is their choice Woman: <sits back down> Okaaay… ? This is a welcome change of heart. Dr Whitediamonds: Sometimes abortion is for a rational reason. Woman: What do you have in mind? Dr Whitediamonds: The woman should be the resonsible one. Not me the tax payers or the doctors. Woman: Oh, I think I see! Dr Whitediamonds: I hate my money being spent on those who use abortion as a birth control method. Woman: Yes, well, fair enough. <opens purse> Dr Whitediamonds: Murder is acceptable under certain conditions. Woman: Yes I think I understand. Do you take a check? Dr Whitediamonds: Some times just like I stated for valid reasons only. Woman: <writes check> Well I have eight thousand four hundred and fifty valid reasons right here. Dr Whitediamonds: I'll go get my forceps. It's Bernies baby, he could care less too. He does not want to be stuck paying child support. He will not take any responsibility either. Break your oath.Doc since it is not a living thing" your killing. But, it is living from the minute of conception. Is it" living or not? ? Bernie said it is instantly living. Bernie would not use anything to protect us either. From being invaded. Oh wait !! Bernie saw reality, that is my daughter or son I created too. No, I want my child to live. She say's tough" you have no rights nor does this invader we made. Doc" WD"t takes money to stay in business, line them up in an assembly line & money is pouring in off abortion is big business. I perfer to only do abortions for life saving reasons, or if you were raped (criminal offense) I am at the hospital also, we have a rape kit we can help you there. Your situation is not life threatening or from a criminal offense, I have the right to deny doing an abortion under those circumstances.
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Post by bernard on Apr 3, 2015 18:04:47 GMT -6
But, it is living from the minute of conception. Is it" living or not? ? Bernie said it is instantly living. Where did Bernie say that it is instantly living?
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 3, 2015 18:14:08 GMT -6
Yeah as I stated too( comprehend Bernie), the morning after pill is not killing it is preventing. Bad news for you: Pregnancy begins at the moment of conception. Here. Your saying the morning after pill" that same 24 hrs after having sex can be proven it is a pregnancy. You have even doctors beat to know that? Let us & doctors know how that is possible you know w/in 24 hrs? The morning after pill is only to ensure It will not result in becoming so, as far as anyone else knows "Bernie. We were talking about the m/after pill which they should pay for themselves. I am not responsible.
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Post by bernard on Apr 3, 2015 19:09:44 GMT -6
Bad news for you: Pregnancy begins at the moment of conception. Here. No. I said that PREGNANCY begins at the moment of conception. I just read, however, that the American college of gynecologists has been fiddling with the definition so that the "pregnancy" doesn't officially start until the embryo implants. This seems to be a politically motivated way for liberals to redefine the terms so that the morning after pill is not an abortifacient. I'd rather have a conversation about the substance of the matter than be derailed by these language games. But I suppose I must concede the point that it does not cause an abortion. Technically speaking, it doesn't "abort" the "pregnancy" because the "pregnancy" hasn't started. However, it causes the destruction of the embryo, which ought to be objectionable to you if you think the embryo is a child.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 4, 2015 14:19:29 GMT -6
No. I said that PREGNANCY begins at the moment of conception. I just read, however, that the American college of gynecologists has been fiddling with the definition so that the "pregnancy" doesn't officially start until the embryo implants. This seems to be a politically motivated way for liberals to redefine the terms so that the morning after pill is not an abortifacient. I'd rather have a conversation about the substance of the matter than be derailed by these language games. But I suppose I must concede the point that it does not cause an abortion. Technically speaking, it doesn't "abort" the "pregnancy" because the "pregnancy" hasn't started. However, it causes the destruction of the embryo, which ought to be objectionable to you if you think the embryo is a child. Let me say this Bernie, I am not an extremist. I would never agree to totally do away with the DP I would never agree to totally do away with abortion I would never agree with totally taking away gun ownership for citizens. Why bring guns into this now? Homicide is homicide even when use for self f defense. All of the above are homicide when " life" ends or is taken by any of the above. Anyway you cut it. There is no solid in concrete answer all or nothing.
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Post by bernard on Apr 4, 2015 19:21:40 GMT -6
No. I said that PREGNANCY begins at the moment of conception. I just read, however, that the American college of gynecologists has been fiddling with the definition so that the "pregnancy" doesn't officially start until the embryo implants. This seems to be a politically motivated way for liberals to redefine the terms so that the morning after pill is not an abortifacient. I'd rather have a conversation about the substance of the matter than be derailed by these language games. But I suppose I must concede the point that it does not cause an abortion. Technically speaking, it doesn't "abort" the "pregnancy" because the "pregnancy" hasn't started. However, it causes the destruction of the embryo, which ought to be objectionable to you if you think the embryo is a child. Let me say this Bernie, I am not an extremist. I would never agree to totally do away with the DP I would never agree to totally do away with abortion What you're telling me is that you consistently believe in killing the unwanted.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 4, 2015 21:05:20 GMT -6
Let me say this Bernie, I am not an extremist. I would never agree to totally do away with the DP I would never agree to totally do away with abortion What you're telling me is that you consistently believe in killing the unwanted. Exactly for the right reasons. But, consistent ( for the right reasons) which that part you left out in this quote to me. ( expected from you) Yes, as I orginally stated, I am for homicide for the right reasons. I am consistant sometimes putting life to an end is acceptable. I call ending life what it is "homicide" Sure we all commit homicide (& call it anything but.) War, abortion, execution, if you agree with & involved in any of this it is all murder/homicide. When you kill someone your life or theirs situation, in the process of commiting a criminal act agains't you & the criminal is the one who ends up dead, it is still homicide. And Yes" it feels good/great to know it was the criminal who lost, not the poor family or individual just making a living at his/her job or at home & got blown away by a thug killer. Love a good ending. By the way you need to chill out, this is a holiday weekend . Give it a break Bernie I know I am......happy holidays' . Go argue with your wife or family ok.
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Post by bernard on Apr 12, 2015 13:07:02 GMT -6
What you're telling me is that you consistently believe in killing the unwanted. By the way you need to chill out, this is a holiday weekend . Give it a break Bernie I know I am......happy holidays' . Go argue with your wife or family ok. The right to abort isn't the right to kill. It's the right to remove unwanted occupants from your body. As a right-winger, you yourself probably believe that: a. If you own a grocery store you should have the right to remove people from it if you feel like closing early. It doesn't matter that these people are human beings, or what they are innocent or guilty of. It's your store and you get to say what to do with it. And it doesn't matter if they need your groceries to live. That's their problem. b. If you own a property you should have the right to evict tenants from it if you feel like selling the property, getting new tenants or just leaving the place empty for a while. It doesn't matter that these people are human beings, or what the tenants are innocent or guilty of. It's your property and if they don't like it, tough. It doesn't even matter if they will die on the streets. That's their problem. In the same way... c. Because you own your own body you should have the right to evict occupants from it if you feel like it. It doesn't matter that the fetus is a human being, or that it is innocent. It's your body and you get to do what you want with it. It doesn't even matter that without your body, the fetus will die. That's its problem. Good old fashioned right wing individualism no?
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 12, 2015 13:23:43 GMT -6
By the way you need to chill out, this is a holiday weekend . Give it a break Bernie I know I am......happy holidays' . Go argue with your wife or family ok. The right to abort isn't the right to kill. It's the right to remove unwanted occupants from your body. As a right-winger, you yourself probably believe that: a. If you own a grocery store you should have the right to remove people from it if you feel like closing early. It doesn't matter that these people are human beings, or what they are innocent or guilty of. It's your store and you get to say what to do with it. And it doesn't matter if they need your groceries to live. That's their problem. b. If you own a property you should have the right to evict tenants from it if you feel like selling the property, getting new tenants or just leaving the place empty for a while. It doesn't matter that these people are human beings, or what the tenants are innocent or guilty of. It's your property and if they don't like it, tough. It doesn't even matter if they will die on the streets. That's their problem. In the same way... c. Because you own your own body you should have the right to evict occupants from it if you feel like it. It doesn't matter that the fetus is a human being, or that it is innocent. It's your body and you get to do what you want with it. It doesn't even matter that without your body, the fetus will die. That's its problem. Good old fashioned right wing individualism no? Did you have a nice Easter Bernie? Occupant: a person, family etc. Who has quarters or space " in" or on something.
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Post by bernard on Apr 12, 2015 13:57:37 GMT -6
Did you have a nice Easter Bernie? Occupant: a person, family etc. Who has quarters or space " in" or on something. Yes I had a nice Easter, thanks for asking, and I hope you and yours had one as well. Or if you are not culturally Christian, I hope you had a nice weekend just the same. A fetus is an occupant of a womb, no?
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 12, 2015 14:55:42 GMT -6
I was raised Catholic, kinda shy away from them when I turned 15 yrs old. Still celebrate Easter, & will always say Merry Christmas, not Happy holidays. If that offends some, I can live with that because I know I am doing no harm at all to them.
Yep, a fetus is a human growing occupant, part of a family. Even after they make their grand entry to the outside, need us to protect & nurture them.
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Post by bernard on Apr 12, 2015 15:21:44 GMT -6
I was raised Catholic, kinda shy away from them when I turned 15 yrs old. Still celebrate Easter, & will always say Merry Christmas, not Happy holidays. If that offends some, I can live with that because I know I am doing no harm at all to them. Yep, a fetus is a human growing occupant, part of a family. Even after they make their grand entry to the outside, need us to protect & nurture them. But then a woman should have the right to kick the fetus out of her body, just as she should have the right to expel a person from her property. Don't you agree?
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 12, 2015 16:59:00 GMT -6
I was raised Catholic, kinda shy away from them when I turned 15 yrs old. Still celebrate Easter, & will always say Merry Christmas, not Happy holidays. If that offends some, I can live with that because I know I am doing no harm at all to them. Yep, a fetus is a human growing occupant, part of a family. Even after they make their grand entry to the outside, need us to protect & nurture them. But then a woman should have the right to kick the fetus out of her body, just as she should have the right to expel a person from her property. Don't you agree? No human life is our property. You cannot expel a human from your property by taking their life.
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Post by bernard on Apr 12, 2015 21:24:46 GMT -6
But then a woman should have the right to kick the fetus out of her body, just as she should have the right to expel a person from her property. Don't you agree? No human life is our property. You cannot expel a human from your property by taking their life. No, the idea is that the womb is the woman's property. The fetus is like a squatter. Why can't she evict it, if she wants? Just because a squatter may die if they are evicted, why is that the landlord's problem?
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 12, 2015 21:34:54 GMT -6
If the women see's life as a squatter, an invader, or an " it" she should get a tubal which puts up a no opening available, otherwise wombs are known to get squatters. The squatter has rights too, to life. The invader cannot stay there for long anyhow.
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Post by bernard on Apr 12, 2015 23:03:38 GMT -6
If the women see's life as a squatter, an invader, or an " it" she should get a tubal which puts up a no opening available, otherwise wombs are known to get squatters. The squatter has rights too, to life. The invader cannot stay there for long anyhow. That's like saying that if a landlord doesn't want squatters, he should burn the property down. Not very clever. I don't see the slightest attempt at consistency here. You would doubtless protect a landlord's right to evict squatters, but you don't protect the woman's right to clear her womb. What's the difference?
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 13, 2015 9:24:49 GMT -6
If the women see's life as a squatter, an invader, or an " it" she should get a tubal which puts up a no opening available, otherwise wombs are known to get squatters. The squatter has rights too, to life. The invader cannot stay there for long anyhow. That's like saying that if a landlord doesn't want squatters, he should burn the property down. Not very clever. I don't see the slightest attempt at consistency here. You would doubtless protect a landlord's right to evict squatters, but you don't protect the woman's right to clear her womb. What's the difference? Well, guess we could shoot them in the back while running away, call it a threat to your womb. .
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Post by bernard on Apr 14, 2015 11:59:53 GMT -6
That's like saying that if a landlord doesn't want squatters, he should burn the property down. Not very clever. I don't see the slightest attempt at consistency here. You would doubtless protect a landlord's right to evict squatters, but you don't protect the woman's right to clear her womb. What's the difference? Well, guess we could shoot them in the back while running away, call it a threat to your womb. . I doubt you would shoot a fetus in the back as it was running away. They are difficult to hit once they pick up speed.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 14, 2015 14:34:53 GMT -6
Well, guess we could shoot them in the back while running away, call it a threat to your womb. . I doubt you would shoot a fetus in the back as it was running away. They are difficult to hit once they pick up speed. I never drove an automatic vehicle ( until recently,) I also have been target shooting since I was 12 yrs old (bow & arrow too.) But, you are right I would never shoot any fetus/ human in the back that is no threat to me or another...
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