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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 16:07:32 GMT -6
I think you better answer your own question. When did I say I supported any kind of killing? You just did when asking how I could support one but not the other. I think it is pretty obvious as well as they really are the same, death or no death choices. I also would back abortion if it was to save the mothers life if that is what she wants.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 16:13:22 GMT -6
When did I say I supported any kind of killing? You just did when asking how I could support one but not the other. No. I asked how YOU could support one but not the other when YOU claim they are the same. I never said anything about what I think.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 16:14:04 GMT -6
I also would back abortion if it was to save the mothers life if that is what she wants. You'd support murdering a child to save an adult life?
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 16:25:17 GMT -6
I also would back abortion if it was to save the mothers life if that is what she wants. You'd support murdering a child to save an adult life? Either way you can only save one life, tough call. Now I believe the women has the right when it involves her life to make the choice. Some women had to make that choice, forced to. Not murder then it is more like a self defense killing.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 16:44:32 GMT -6
You just did when asking how I could support one but not the other. No. I asked how YOU could support one but not the other when YOU claim they are the same. I never said anything about what I think. Execution is killing for valid reasons decided by a trial of a not innocent life one who takes others lives for no rational reason. Abortion for no rational reasoning is killing life ( human life innocent life) by the millions) for nonsense reasoning, mostly not due to any serious situation. There are so many options over abortion today, & solutions w/o taking a life. I have always said, as long as million of abortions are sanctioned by (laws) , I will always remain pro dp. Ending the life is ending life. Those hardwired with the instinct to murder innocents makes much more sense to end their life for the welll being of those inside & outside those walls.. When abortion is seen for what it is really is, only then will I become a anti, when all life is protected, for the innocent & vulnerable too. .
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 17:09:20 GMT -6
You'd support murdering a child to save an adult life? Either way you can only save one life, tough call. Now I believe the women has the right when it involves her life to make the choice. Some women had to make that choice, forced to. Not murder then it is more like a self defense killing. Well it is interesting that you think this way. Pro-choice advocates argue that an abortion is always self-defense, since, if the fetus is unwanted, then it is an invader in the woman's body. How do you respond to this?
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Post by nate on Apr 2, 2015 17:41:54 GMT -6
I don't get this topic.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 17:50:05 GMT -6
Either way you can only save one life, tough call. Now I believe the women has the right when it involves her life to make the choice. Some women had to make that choice, forced to. Not murder then it is more like a self defense killing. Well it is interesting that you think this way. Pro-choice advocates argue that an abortion is always self-defense, since, if the fetus is unwanted, then it is an invader in the woman's body. How do you respond to this? To be honest !!! That is a load of crap. How to get away with murder. Legally.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 17:51:43 GMT -6
Well it is interesting that you think this way. Pro-choice advocates argue that an abortion is always self-defense, since, if the fetus is unwanted, then it is an invader in the woman's body. How do you respond to this? To be honest !!! That is a load of crap. How to get away with murder. Legally.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 17:54:37 GMT -6
A few of us do if you understand Bernard.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 18:03:19 GMT -6
Well it is interesting that you think this way. Pro-choice advocates argue that an abortion is always self-defense, since, if the fetus is unwanted, then it is an invader in the woman's body. How do you respond to this? To be honest !!! That is a load of crap. How do you figure? If a man invades a woman's body, when she does not want him to, that is called rape. The woman is permitted to act in self defense. Why is it any different when a fetus invades a woman's body, when she does not want it to? Don't just say it's crap. Tell me what the difference is, in your opinion.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 18:04:17 GMT -6
How to get away with murder. Legally. "There is no such thing as legal murder." --- Pro Handbook. Page 1.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 18:35:30 GMT -6
To be honest !!! That is a load of crap. How do you figure? If a man invades a woman's body, when she does not want him to, that is called rape. The woman is permitted to act in self defense. Why is it any different when a fetus invades a woman's body, when she does not want it to? Don't just say it's crap. Tell me what the difference is, in your opinion. You did not mention rape, be clear. It sounded like any "unwanted" pregnancy is an invasion. Rape, there is the morning after pill along with other methods to prevent , I find it hard to believe if raped one would not use all available soon. Not months later. Many times the rape" is so violent they are rushed to the hospital, they know no one wants to be preg from a rapist.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 18:48:18 GMT -6
How do you figure? If a man invades a woman's body, when she does not want him to, that is called rape. The woman is permitted to act in self defense. Why is it any different when a fetus invades a woman's body, when she does not want it to? Don't just say it's crap. Tell me what the difference is, in your opinion. You did not mention rape, be clear. It sounded like any "unwanted" pregnancy is an invasion. Rape, there is the morning after pill along with other methods to prevent , What are you talking about? The morning after pill is an abortifacient. If you agree with using it, you agree with abortion.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 18:50:02 GMT -6
How do you figure? If a man invades a woman's body, when she does not want him to, that is called rape. The woman is permitted to act in self defense. Why is it any different when a fetus invades a woman's body, when she does not want it to? Don't just say it's crap. Tell me what the difference is, in your opinion. You did not mention rape, be clear. I wasn't talking specifically about rape. WHENEVER a fetus is inside a woman, and she doesn't want it, then it is an invader. Re-read the original post, with understanding.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 18:55:10 GMT -6
You did not mention rape, be clear. It sounded like any "unwanted" pregnancy is an invasion. Rape, there is the morning after pill along with other methods to prevent , What are you talking about? The morning after pill is an abortifacient. If you agree with using it, you agree with abortion. Of course it was rape. Or to save a mother if the pregnancy will end her life has a right to a choice.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 18:57:51 GMT -6
You did not mention rape, be clear. I wasn't talking specifically about rape. WHENEVER a fetus is inside a woman, and she doesn't want it, then it is an invader. Re-read the original post, with understanding. It is only an invader if she is forceably raped............................ Just due to the fact she does not want it ? Killing off life is ok? BS
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 19:01:22 GMT -6
You did not mention rape, be clear. I wasn't talking specifically about rape. WHENEVER a fetus is inside a woman, and she doesn't want it, then it is an invader. Re-read the original post, with understanding. Call "it" a fetus or whatever make's you feel better, it is a human life now. I know it" is a fetus until it's" head pops out by science terms, reality is there is a human life.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 19:04:57 GMT -6
I wasn't talking specifically about rape. WHENEVER a fetus is inside a woman, and she doesn't want it, then it is an invader. Re-read the original post, with understanding. It is only an invader if she is forceably raped............................ I think she gets to decide what to count as an invader in her own body, not you.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 19:07:07 GMT -6
What are you talking about? The morning after pill is an abortifacient. If you agree with using it, you agree with abortion. Of course it was rape. So you think that nobody should be able to use the morning after pill except women who have been raped. Right?
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 19:21:40 GMT -6
It is only an invader if she is forceably raped............................ I think she gets to decide what to count as an invader in her own body, not you. Exactly so she should be the resonsible one. Not me the tax payers or the doctors. We could go on forever on this topic, no one will change the fact, kill life or let live. Murder is murder. Even self defense is murder.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 19:28:39 GMT -6
I think she gets to decide what to count as an invader in her own body, not you. Exactly so she should be the resonsible one. Not me the tax payers or the doctors. I see. So it seems you are in favor of killing babies provided it is not on the public dime. A curious position.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 19:30:44 GMT -6
Exactly so she should be the resonsible one. Not me the tax payers or the doctors. I see. So it seems you are in favor of killing babies provided it is not on the public dime. A curious position. Just like you to change my words & place in caps.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 19:32:28 GMT -6
I see. So it seems you are in favor of killing babies provided it is not on the public dime. A curious position. Just like you to change my words & place in caps. Emphasized, yes. Changed, no. I quoted exactly what you said.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 19:33:09 GMT -6
So you think that nobody should be able to use the morning after pill except women who have been raped. Right? Anyone should be able to use the morning after pill. That is the humane method fast to stop what you did not want.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 19:38:22 GMT -6
So you think that nobody should be able to use the morning after pill except women who have been raped. Right? Anyone should be able to use the morning after pill. That is the humane method fast to stop what you did not want. But taking the morning after pill = performing an abortion. Or let me guess, that doesn't count because you have done it yourself.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 19:43:57 GMT -6
Just like you to change my words & place in caps. Emphasized, yes. Changed, no. I quoted exactly what you said. I did not put it in caps, & why should I pay because someone had sex. If she is determined to abort than the man she had sex with & her are responsible adults for their own mistakes.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 19:46:37 GMT -6
Emphasized, yes. Changed, no. I quoted exactly what you said. I did not put it in caps, Neither did I. I thought you said that abortion was murder. But now you sound as if it is okay provided the adults responsible pay for the assassination.
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Post by whitediamonds on Apr 2, 2015 19:56:16 GMT -6
Anyone should be able to use the morning after pill. That is the humane method fast to stop what you did not want. But taking the morning after pill = performing an abortion. Or let me guess, that doesn't count because you have done it yourself. No sorry wrong again Bernie, guess you just expect that to be the norm for all women. I never needed a morning after pill, nor was that available when I was young. I also knew it was my responsibilty to protect myself. I guess things have changed no matter what, they feel they have the right to be irresponsible & it is others who pay, sometimes with their lives.
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Post by bernard on Apr 2, 2015 20:22:28 GMT -6
But taking the morning after pill = performing an abortion. Or let me guess, that doesn't count because you have done it yourself. No sorry wrong again Bernie, guess you just expect that to be the norm for all women. Not really. I was just trying to understand your double standard. I.e. why is abortion murder in your opinion, but the morning-after pill is not? I.e. why is it okay, in your opinion, to murder a kid when that child's father is a rapist? I.e. why do you think it is okay to murder a child so long as mommy and daddy pay for the murder privately? Let me guess, this is the point where you conveniently pretend to stop understanding English.
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