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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 14:42:10 GMT -6
Unbelievable. Breivik gets 21 years for murdering 77 people. The guy is declared sane--he said he was angry over the liberal immigration policy for muslims. He actually apologized for not killing more people. This is the 21st Century. Slapping the wrist of a mass murderer like that is unconscionable and has no place in modern society. There should be meaningful consequences for monstrous acts. Don't believe in killing these types? Fine, but 21 years? ? news.yahoo.com/norway-declares-breivik-sane-mass-murder-trial-080902149.html
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Post by whitediamonds on Aug 26, 2012 16:33:24 GMT -6
Unbelievable. Breivik gets 21 years for murdering 77 people. The guy is declared sane--he said he was angry over the liberal immigration policy for muslims. He actually apologized for not killing more people. This is the 21st Century. Slapping the wrist of a mass murderer like that is unconscionable and has no place in modern society. There should be meaningful consequences for monstrous acts. Don't believe in killing these types? Fine, but 21 years? ? news.yahoo.com/norway-declares-breivik-sane-mass-murder-trial-080902149.htmlWell, it is their culture/laws their decison, their people murdered. With the apology he "did not get to kill more". Human rights for ALL life is sacred, just wonderful ain't it ....
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Post by GlennF on Aug 27, 2012 7:21:24 GMT -6
21 years for 77 lives = less than 4 months per life. He is now 33 years old and will most likely be released when he is 54 if he behaves himself (which shouldn't be too difficult). Considering he regrets the fact that he didn't kill more people, he will probably get the chance to extend his record! A triumph for the liberals.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Aug 27, 2012 7:48:13 GMT -6
21-year-sentence does not mean Breivik will walk free in 2033. Here's why: jrnl.ie/570722NORWAY PRIDES ITSELF on its fair and rehabilitation-focused penal system so the trial of a man who admitted to killing 77 innocent people posed a challenge never experienced by the country before. The very public trial of Anders Behring Breivik raised a number of questions about how the criminal justice system operates. Back in April when proceedings began in the custom-made Oslo court room, TheJournal.ie examined the issues of what had been described as Norway’s trial of the century. Included in that explainer was a clarification on the country’s maximum 21-year-sentence. Norway officially abolished the death penalty in 1979 but in reality, the last execution during peacetime was back in 1876. As stated previously, the country’s penal system is based on rehabilitation and its maximum sentence is just 21 years. However, that does not mean Breivik will walk free by 2033. Because he has been found criminally guilty, the sentence can be extended (by five years at a time) if a parole board believes he still poses a threat to society. The court explains: A sentence of permanent detention can be imposed if there is considerable danger of repetition. Permanent detention is not subject to any timeframe. However, the court always fixes a timeframe that may not exceed 21 years. When the timeframe expires the offender may be re-assessed. If the court concludes that there is still a danger of repetition the timeframe may be extended by up to five years at a time. There is no upper limit to the number of times that the court may extend the timeframe. And, the key phrase: “In principle, a person that is sentenced to permanent detention can remain in prison for the rest of his or her life.”
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 2:06:27 GMT -6
Steve,
go out and ask people if they recall the hungerford massacre, Dunblane. etc etc.
People in Australia remember Port Arthur, but it isn't recalled with the same sense of outrage when it happened in 1996. I recall the news reports after the massacre how they kept finding more bodies. They also had a bloke who was kidnapped, and Bryant was inside a bed and breakfast so they had grave concern for the proprieters of the B&B (the kidnapping victims, and the BB owners were murdered). No one remembers the agony...
Thats what I think will happen. People will forget
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Aug 28, 2012 2:11:46 GMT -6
I don't think he'll be forgotten. Charles Manson isn't and this guy murdered far more. Breivik will be inside for a very long time, easily as long as Manson.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 2:12:21 GMT -6
www.desiringgod.org/blog/posts/life-is-cheap-in-norway-c-s-lewis-on-the-sentence-of-anders-breivikHere is a post from John Piper. Piper is a conservative Christian and I am sure many of you won't agree with all of his views. However this blog post should be a kick up the backside to those Christians who believe the goal of punishment is rehabilitation. A mate of mine was very excited about this post. Her friend was a victim of an assault (not a really serious one) but it was a shattering experience. Her friend hated the fact that she was being pressured to forgive the assailant by people who paid no attention to the damage done to her. She thought it was amazing that a Christian leader would write like this
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Post by moretoasts on Aug 28, 2012 2:36:55 GMT -6
Piper is a conservative Christian and I am sure many of you won't agree with all of his views. However this blog post should be a kick up the backside to those Christians who believe the goal of punishment is rehabilitation. A mate of mine was very excited about this post. Her friend was a victim of an assault (not a really serious one) but it was a shattering experience. Her friend hated the fact that she was being pressured to forgive the assailant by people who paid no attention to the damage done to her. She thought it was amazing that a Christian leader would write like this I Didn't know Christian doctrine is written and led by Piper :-) I generally referred to the Pope Well, good to know, from now on I will follow Piper's directives
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 3:00:36 GMT -6
Piper is a conservative Christian and I am sure many of you won't agree with all of his views. However this blog post should be a kick up the backside to those Christians who believe the goal of punishment is rehabilitation. A mate of mine was very excited about this post. Her friend was a victim of an assault (not a really serious one) but it was a shattering experience. Her friend hated the fact that she was being pressured to forgive the assailant by people who paid no attention to the damage done to her. She thought it was amazing that a Christian leader would write like this I Didn't know Christian doctrine is written and led by Piper :-) I generally referred to the Pope Well, good to know, from now on I will follow Piper's directives You will probably do a lot better on this board if you don't twist people's words. I never equated him to the pope.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Aug 28, 2012 5:10:02 GMT -6
"Life is cheap in Norway."
Indeed it seems so. But life is cheap anywhere that doesn't either A. execute all murderers or B. lock them up for LIFE. 15 to 25 for murder? Yeah, life IS cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 5:22:37 GMT -6
"Life is cheap in Norway." Indeed it seems so. But life is cheap anywhere that doesn't either A. execute all murderers or B. lock them up for LIFE. 15 to 25 for murder? Yeah, life IS cheap. Sometimes I think it isn't possible to punish people for all their sins. At least they could have gone for consecutive sentencing and shut him up forever
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Aug 28, 2012 5:59:32 GMT -6
I wonder if anyone from the 'other' site (scumpals inc) are writing to him? Maybe 77 murders isn't 'glamorous' enough for them? And he isn't on death row.
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Post by Felix2 on Aug 28, 2012 6:11:36 GMT -6
I wonder if anyone from the 'other' site (scumpals inc) are writing to him? Maybe 77 murders isn't 'glamorous' enough for them? And he isn't on death row. I read somewhere he now has a healthy female following, well,, I am not so sure they are healthy, but we all know that nice girls like a bad bad boy whatever sense he is bad in, just look at Cali's following on the board!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 8:43:02 GMT -6
I wonder if anyone from the 'other' site (scumpals inc) are writing to him? Maybe 77 murders isn't 'glamorous' enough for them? And he isn't on death row. And he could get out and visit them.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Aug 28, 2012 9:09:04 GMT -6
Unless he escapes they'll be safe. Norway have quite a few lifers who have been locked up for over 50 years because like the article says, they top up the sentence every 5 years after the 21 is served.
And all this fuss over him getting a computer and gym. Don't most inmates the world over get this? Ive never been a believer in taking everything away from a prisoner because do that and you turn them into mad dogs, dangerous for prison officers and others who work there. Current gen games consoles and fancy meals are a tad much but im fine with throwing inmates tv, books and radio.
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Post by Potassium_Pixie on Aug 28, 2012 12:48:13 GMT -6
If this doesn't get Norway to bring back the death penalty, somebody should slap the government around to get some sense in their heads. If Norway was smart, they would import Connecticut's old death gurney and hook 'em up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 15:22:35 GMT -6
Unless he escapes they'll be safe. Norway have quite a few lifers who have been locked up for over 50 years because like the article says, they top up the sentence every 5 years after the 21 is served. And all this fuss over him getting a computer and gym. Don't most inmates the world over get this? Ive never been a believer in taking everything away from a prisoner because do that and you turn them into mad dogs, dangerous for prison officers and others who work there. Current gen games consoles and fancy meals are a tad much but im fine with throwing inmates tv, books and radio. We had some hooha in Australia about inmates getting a nice dinner as a reward for some project completed. Prison authorities had to make the point that it was part of the rehabilitatiion program.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Aug 28, 2012 15:48:51 GMT -6
Unless he escapes they'll be safe. Norway have quite a few lifers who have been locked up for over 50 years because like the article says, they top up the sentence every 5 years after the 21 is served. And all this fuss over him getting a computer and gym. Don't most inmates the world over get this? Ive never been a believer in taking everything away from a prisoner because do that and you turn them into mad dogs, dangerous for prison officers and others who work there. Current gen games consoles and fancy meals are a tad much but im fine with throwing inmates tv, books and radio. We had some hooha in Australia about inmates getting a nice dinner as a reward for some project completed. Prison authorities had to make the point that it was part of the rehabilitatiion program. If I was in Australia and worked in prison id throw them a few spiders LOL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 16:45:24 GMT -6
That's cruel to the spiders.
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Post by fuglyville on Aug 28, 2012 17:04:48 GMT -6
The chances of the death penalty being reinstated around here, are slim to none - murdering him, would be to give him the martyrdom he hoped for. Besides - except for another death, it would accomplish nothing at all. With the current law, he will rot in jail - and eventually be forgotten. That's what people often fail to realise - despite his original sentence of 21 years, this sentence can(and most probably will) be extended every 5 years after the first 21. Thus, he is for most practical purposes serving a life sentence.
As for the Piper reference... Harsh punishment is in many ways the easy way out - it doesn't really accomplish anything, but it gives certain people the opportunity to seem "tough on crime". Quenching the thirst for blood - which is why certain parts of the U.S. still insists on the death penalty - has hardly ever served a purpose except for coldblooded, primitive and meaningless revenge.
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Post by starbux on Aug 28, 2012 21:03:27 GMT -6
He gets 21 years in a what is described as his own spacious cell and private workout room. Sounds more like a private spa membership to me.
I guess if your going to commit mass murder, Norway is the place to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 0:05:25 GMT -6
The chances of the death penalty being reinstated around here, are slim to none - murdering him, would be to give him the martyrdom he hoped for. Besides - except for another death, it would accomplish nothing at all. With the current law, he will rot in jail - and eventually be forgotten. That's what people often fail to realise - despite his original sentence of 21 years, this sentence can(and most probably will) be extended every 5 years after the first 21. Thus, he is for most practical purposes serving a life sentence. As for the Piper reference... Harsh punishment is in many ways the easy way out - it doesn't really accomplish anything, but it gives certain people the opportunity to seem "tough on crime". Quenching the thirst for blood - which is why certain parts of the U.S. still insists on the death penalty - has hardly ever served a purpose except for coldblooded, primitive and meaningless revenge. Ah, no. Sorry. Revenge has nothing to do with it, as if murderers in DP states have no idea that they could forfeit their life as a consequence. The law is on the books for all to see. As for Breivik, "most probably will" (be extended every five years) is not good enough. A system that even allows for the possibility that he could be out in 21 years is broken, for it leaves pen the possibility that somehow, he could be deemed rehabilitated. Disgusting.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Aug 29, 2012 2:32:51 GMT -6
"Quenching the thirst for blood - which is why certain parts of the U.S. still insists on the death penalty - has hardly ever served a purpose except for coldblooded, primitive and meaningless revenge. "
Do you honestly believe this rubbish you spout? Hell, around 70% of your (yes even YOU) being is made up of 'revenge'. Its partly because of this which makes humans higher than the beasts you nitwit.
And "Quenching the thirst for blood"? My God could you be so overly dramatic? Check this out: IF MURDERERS WOULD REFRAIN FROM MURDER, I WOULDN'T MISS THE DEATH PENALTY ONE BIT.
Sucks to be my "thirst for blood".
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Post by Californian on Aug 29, 2012 7:11:23 GMT -6
You're jealous Felix. Admit it. Just because Stormy, Janet and Kay want me, your panties are in a knot.
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Post by Californian on Aug 29, 2012 7:25:44 GMT -6
The chances of the death penalty being reinstated around here, are slim to none More's the pity. Your imprecision in the use of the English language is noted. "Murder" is defined as the unlawful killing of a human being, so you're wrong on that count. Next is your use of the word "martyr." mar·tyr/ˈmärtər/ Noun: A person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.Verb: Kill (someone) because of their beliefs: "she was martyred for her faith". Please explain what faith the perp espoused, and you might also want to toss in just for giggles who would mourn his passing. The only logical conclusion most could come to from your post is that you're just another Euroweenie idiot.
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Post by fuglyville on Aug 29, 2012 16:31:44 GMT -6
The chances of the death penalty being reinstated around here, are slim to none More's the pity. Your imprecision in the use of the English language is noted. "Murder" is defined as the unlawful killing of a human being, so you're wrong on that count. Next is your use of the word "martyr." mar·tyr/ˈmärtər/ Noun: A person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.Verb: Kill (someone) because of their beliefs: "she was martyred for her faith". Please explain what faith the perp espoused, and you might also want to toss in just for giggles who would mourn his passing. The only logical conclusion most could come to from your post is that you're just another Euroweenie idiot. In his twisted world, he is a lone warrior against multiculturalism - and yes, he definitely does have his supporters. Thus, in his view he would be executed because he fought for his beliefs - in that sense, the word "martyr" is entirely correct.
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Post by Stormyweather on Aug 29, 2012 17:21:25 GMT -6
More's the pity. Your imprecision in the use of the English language is noted. "Murder" is defined as the unlawful killing of a human being, so you're wrong on that count. Next is your use of the word "martyr." mar·tyr/ˈmärtər/ Noun: A person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.Verb: Kill (someone) because of their beliefs: "she was martyred for her faith". Please explain what faith the perp espoused, and you might also want to toss in just for giggles who would mourn his passing. The only logical conclusion most could come to from your post is that you're just another Euroweenie idiot. In his twisted world, he is a lone warrior against multiculturalism - and yes, he definitely does have his supporters. Thus, in his view he would be executed because he fought for his beliefs - in that sense, the word "martyr" is entirely correct. Yes, and in your world he can get out. Twenty-one years for murdering 77 people. I guess I should say, I'm glad you're happy. Why don't you look after him after he's out. I think he should come to live with you so you can look after him.
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Post by Stormyweather on Aug 29, 2012 17:23:34 GMT -6
The chances of the death penalty being reinstated around here, are slim to none - In spite of the fact that he murdered 77 people I guess life sentences aren't desired either.
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Post by Californian on Aug 29, 2012 18:27:04 GMT -6
In his twisted world, he is a lone warrior against multiculturalism - and yes, he definitely does have his supporters. Thus, in his view he would be executed because he fought for his beliefs - in that sense, the word "martyr" is entirely correct. Martyrs are not self-determined, dummy. You need legions of others who agree. Where are they?
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Aug 30, 2012 3:05:00 GMT -6
Im sure some people are against prison full stop. Id love to put all the thughuggers and violent inmates together on an island and see how they got on.
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