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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 29, 2011 18:37:43 GMT -6
No not in the same manner. Yet we do execute them. Criminal rape is extremely violate too. Yes we execute them if we're lucky and then we have to provethat it isn't going to hurt. Yes, criminal rape is violent but like I said who is going to want to make their living using their body part raping someone. You reasoning is absurd. No more absurd then saying execute all murders no matter what degree of murder. No more absurd then Smart Bear using do we rape rapist as a logical defense of his stance. No we take the worse of the worse who murder most likely to murder again, or do again and execute them. Comparing rape, a life ahead for the azz wipe inside, and a hard life for the rape victim is more in more proportion. Yes, murder is not, wish that could change but, we certainly will not executed them all. We sure could at the most for the ones that commit capital murder should never see the light of day, even manslaugher should be 30 yrs as far as I am concerned. .
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 29, 2011 19:47:48 GMT -6
Yes it is absurd. How do you suggest we teach people to professionly rape? And for your information there are also on the books different degrees of rape with different sentencing rules. I can't help there are legal degrees to the defination of murder. If we were consistent about punishing we wouldn't have the problems that we do. I'm sure being in prison is not a pleasure. I agree they should be punished but maybe they should be forced to hard labor. For you even think this is a good thing makes me wonder about you? Now I kind of wonder just how pro you are?
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 29, 2011 20:08:10 GMT -6
I suppose in your line of reasoning Whitediamonds, if someone is charged with child molestation (fondling of a child) we should just fondle them too as punishment?
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 29, 2011 20:12:18 GMT -6
I suppose in your line of reasoning Whitediamonds, if someone is charged with child molestation (fondling of a child) we should just fondle them too as punishment? Boy did you take a giant leap, do we execute rapist? When did I say in any of this we should fondle them? So besides long sentences what else should we do with them? Should we rape them now Or execute them?
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 29, 2011 20:25:22 GMT -6
Yes it is absurd. How do you suggest we teach people to professionly rape? And for your information there are also on the books different degrees of rape with different sentencing rules. I can't help there are legal degrees to the defination of murder. If we were consistent about punishing we wouldn't have the problems that we do. I'm sure being in prison is not a pleasure. I agree they should be punished but maybe they should be forced to hard labor. For you even think this is a good thing makes me wonder about you? Now I kind of wonder just how pro you are? Think what you want as far as pro or anti. If you feel I am a liar that is on you. I know quite well about diff rapes and peds thanks. And sentencing rules which again cannot be consistant. Consistant about murderers how would that even be possible in the real world, either all have real LWOP or execute all. Punishment by hard labor sure but, where an how? For all?How also could that be consistant with the crowded prisons and still be security? Solutions or answers to that? In my org quote" Smart Bear on his should we rape rapist, his trap and you by one question to me made me answer back honestly which put in into the anti side yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 22:07:39 GMT -6
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Post by Californian on Sept 29, 2011 22:47:48 GMT -6
"People are strange when you're a stranger" The Doors
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Post by mel77 on Sept 29, 2011 23:08:23 GMT -6
I'm not sure if she's being serious. She hasn't clarified her position, and her post lacked a smilie, so I'm assuming that is wasn't said in jest. Some of you American folks are hilarious. (I really mean that, so I didn't post a smiley).
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Post by mel77 on Sept 29, 2011 23:10:54 GMT -6
And who in their right mind would even want to apply for such a job? Same as saying who in their right mind would play a role in an execution I guess Excellent point.
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Post by mel77 on Sept 29, 2011 23:18:31 GMT -6
Yes it is absurd. How do you suggest we teach people to professionly rape? And for your information there are also on the books different degrees of rape with different sentencing rules. I can't help there are legal degrees to the defination of murder. If we were consistent about punishing we wouldn't have the problems that we do. I'm sure being in prison is not a pleasure. I agree they should be punished but maybe they should be forced to hard labor. For you even think this is a good thing makes me wonder about you? Now I kind of wonder just how pro you are? I'm not sure I get your point. You wonder about whitediamonds because she says (in jest) that all convicted rapists should be professionally raped. Yet you are a pro. You advocate death for murderers. Now, how does that make sense?
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Post by honkybouffant on Sept 30, 2011 1:19:06 GMT -6
Do you support hiring professional rapists to rape rapists, in the name of justice? Would the rape be part of imprisonment or in lieu of imprisonment? If the former, I wouldn't be opposed to it. Of course, there is no way it would fly under the Constitution. That said, I think most citizens know what awaits numerous prisoners in the Big House, and many are willing to allow amateurs to do on the down-low what we cannot hire professionals to do openly. Well you sure have me beat with that. Let's move back to killing murderers. Do you think it is just that the mother of the murderer should lose a son when she has not herself taken anyone's son? How is that 'justice'?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2011 7:07:21 GMT -6
Heck yes, if was a legally licensed Professional by laws of the land I would (will of the people). Of course he would be given directive of who to legally rape, not by random against who he chose by his own will, method and timing. Even if we had a "professional" rapist as you always prefer, he would not ever be licensed to touch a child under 18 I bet by law. And you want to live next door to someone who would do such a thing? Not for me thanks! Neither would I want to live next door to some one who supported such a thing
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 30, 2011 8:03:39 GMT -6
Would the rape be part of imprisonment or in lieu of imprisonment? If the former, I wouldn't be opposed to it. Of course, there is no way it would fly under the Constitution. That said, I think most citizens know what awaits numerous prisoners in the Big House, and many are willing to allow amateurs to do on the down-low what we cannot hire professionals to do openly. Well you sure have me beat with that. Let's move back to killing murderers. Do you think it is just that the mother of the murderer should lose a son when she has not herself taken anyone's son? How is that 'justice'? Now I do not find that to be a valid reason agains't the DP. Her son/daughter is an adult to face their own bad choices. The law did not do that to the family if he/she by their actions of murder brought that onto them (DP) if qualified by law to recieve the DP, no one else to blame. Put the responsibility on who it belongs to begin with.
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 30, 2011 8:44:46 GMT -6
Okay everyone listen. Executing a murderer makes everyone safer. I mean that can't ever ever, once they are executed, do it again. So does locking them up as long as they don't murder in prison and as long as their living that risk is run.
People say no one would tolerate 16,000 executions a year. However, if we from the beginning executed a murderer there wouldn't be 16,000 murders a year. Look at Singapore who has one of the lowest crime rates that there is. Consistency is the key factor.
Now about rapists to me rape is rape but just like murder there are various degrees on the book. I can't help it there just are just like I can't help there are various degrees of murder. So how are we going to decide how much someone gets raped back?
Also since rape is primarily a male behavior you are going to have to find a man to rape him back. What kind of real man is going to apply for such a job?
And since we think people should enjoy their work would you want to live next door to someone who enjoyed raping others for a living?
And if you want to compare the two I doubt if anyone enjoys executing someone it just is something that needs to be done.
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Post by whitediamonds on Sept 30, 2011 9:08:20 GMT -6
And you want to live next door to someone who would do such a thing? Not for me thanks! Neither would I want to live next door to some one who supported such a thing Well my "scenario" above was a quote "to Smart Bears post" of would you support raping rapist? So, in "jest" In my quoting his remark, I set up the legally professioanl rapist if licensed by law as legal to rape rapist only" as punishment. Which obviously no one would do legally or want done to rapist. Is obsurd I agree. My point was even though I am a pro, he made sense from an anti stance. Then why is it ok to legally murder "execute murderers? Professional murder any way one wants to look at it, done legally by execution. If there was such a legal position)how mad that would be. Yet we do execute murderers and it is legal" a legal professional job to carry out. That is to me a legit strong position agains't the death penalty to me even, to defend. . Now if that makes me less of a pro or a liar of being a pro, or wanting rapist fondled. Smart Bear like it or not the would you support raping rapist is fair" it does seem obsurd to support the DP then too. I have no logical answer to his remark so the legal rapist if just as obsurd. I can honestly say, I can understand their stance thought pattern. It must appear obsurd to have a legal profession of executing murderers also. If that makes me less"of a pro in your minds and I am a liar" about being a pro, just because I am fair on good points by either side. I just wanted to play it out "to" smart bear yes, it does seem obsurd,if I create a professional legal rapist to rape rapist as punishment, guess where it goes to Also I know my neighbors yet do I really? Just as do some really know who they were even married too, like Scott Peterson for example? That's just one example of husband and wife murders or the neighbor who seemed like a nice guy was not after all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2011 9:33:01 GMT -6
"People are strange when you're a stranger" The Doors They stole the sentiment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2011 9:43:19 GMT -6
Okay everyone listen. Executing a murderer makes everyone safer. I mean that can't ever ever, once they are executed, do it again. So does locking them up as long as they don't murder in prison and as long as their living that risk is run. Well, you advocate killing killers because doing so makes everyone safer, even while you acknowledge that (at least most of the time) if we didn't release murderers, we'd be even more safe. Safety cannot be the criteria for a punishment doled, or we'd be offing rapists, armed robbers, child molesters, batterers, etc. If killing killers makes sense, then raping rapists sure does. The reason (I guess) that we don't is NOT because they don't deserve it, but rather, because we think doing so is icky... we are humane, afterall... better than them.
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 30, 2011 9:46:32 GMT -6
So the only ones who should be locked up are kidnappers since they hold people against their will?
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 30, 2011 9:49:20 GMT -6
Also since rape is primarily a male behavior you are going to have to find a man to rape him back. What kind of real man is going to apply for such a job? That's not going to be a problem. And since we think people should enjoy their work would you want to live next door to someone who enjoyed raping others for a living? It wouldn't actually be rape, but I wouldn't mind. A job is a job.
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 30, 2011 9:52:00 GMT -6
Also since rape is primarily a male behavior you are going to have to find a man to rape him back. What kind of real man is going to apply for such a job? That's not going to be a problem. And since we think people should enjoy their work would you want to live next door to someone who enjoyed raping others for a living? It wouldn't actually be rape, but I wouldn't mind. A job is a job. For those who like to rape I'm sure not and you're strange anyway so you saying that doesn't surprise me. Remember I said a real man wouldn't want the job. I'm glad I'm married to a real man.
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 30, 2011 10:01:53 GMT -6
Are people executed in the same way that they commit their murder? Actually, they are. Killing is killing.
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 30, 2011 10:19:07 GMT -6
Are people executed in the same way that they commit their murder? Actually, they are. Killing is killing. Yes killing is killing but murder is murder and all killing is not murder nor is all murder done in a tortuous manner though some is. I think that I would find it much easier to die by lethal injection than to know I was going to be dragged behind a vehicle or having my throat slashed.
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 30, 2011 10:25:04 GMT -6
It wouldn't actually be rape, but I wouldn't mind. A job is a job. If you ever get a job like that may I suggest you wear a condom.
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 30, 2011 10:34:26 GMT -6
Please feel free, I'd prefer no part in such preposterous position. If killing a man is an appropriate, morally-justified response to a crime, it cannot be inappropriate or immoral to do anything else to him. If a state has the moral authority to kill, it has the moral authority to do anything. For those who believe it does, it's only a question of when to use it.
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 30, 2011 10:36:36 GMT -6
If you ever get a job like that may I suggest you wear a condom. It's not something I would do. I was saying I wouldn't mind living next to someone whose lawful, legitimate profession was to penetrate the bodies of certain convicts.
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Post by mel77 on Sept 30, 2011 10:37:44 GMT -6
That's not going to be a problem. It wouldn't actually be rape, but I wouldn't mind. A job is a job. For those who like to rape I'm sure not and you're strange anyway so you saying that doesn't surprise me. Remember I said a real man wouldn't want the job. I'm glad I'm married to a real man. Yeah, it's good to know one isn't married to a professional rapist, isn't it. I was thinking that the other day too. And I agree with you on another thing: Joseph is a strange man ;D Luckily, you aren't strange yourself
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Post by mel77 on Sept 30, 2011 10:39:21 GMT -6
It wouldn't actually be rape, but I wouldn't mind. A job is a job. If you ever get a job like that may I suggest you wear a condom. You are absolutely hilarious.
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Post by mel77 on Sept 30, 2011 10:42:05 GMT -6
Okay everyone listen. Executing a murderer makes everyone safer. I mean that can't ever ever, once they are executed, do it again. So does locking them up as long as they don't murder in prison and as long as their living that risk is run. People say no one would tolerate 16,000 executions a year. However, if we from the beginning executed a murderer there wouldn't be 16,000 murders a year. Look at Singapore who has one of the lowest crime rates that there is. Consistency is the key factor. Now about rapists to me rape is rape but just like murder there are various degrees on the book. I can't help it there just are just like I can't help there are various degrees of murder. So how are we going to decide how much someone gets raped back? Also since rape is primarily a male behavior you are going to have to find a man to rape him back. What kind of real man is going to apply for such a job? And since we think people should enjoy their work would you want to live next door to someone who enjoyed raping others for a living? And if you want to compare the two I doubt if anyone enjoys executing someone it just is something that needs to be done. Rapists who are killed don't ever rape again either. Neither do robbers ever rob again. So are you advocating the death penalty for all crimes? And who is "Singapore"?
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Post by josephdphillips on Sept 30, 2011 10:42:58 GMT -6
Yes killing is killing but murder is murder and all killing is not murder nor is all murder done in a tortuous manner though some is. I think that I would find it much easier to die by lethal injection than to know I was going to be dragged behind a vehicle or having my throat slashed. Torturing someone is a crime in itelf, with its own punishment. My problem with case-by-case sentencing is that you're telling people how you want them to murder.
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Post by Stormyweather on Sept 30, 2011 10:45:13 GMT -6
If you ever get a job like that may I suggest you wear a condom. It's not something I would do. I was saying I wouldn't mind living next to someone whose lawful, legitimate profession was to penetrate the bodies of certain convicts. No that is not what you said. You said in post #48 that you wouldn't mind and that a job is a job. Go read it yourself.
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