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Post by fuglyville on May 31, 2010 15:44:31 GMT -6
1: Everyone present at the execution, except for the necessary prison staff and medical personell, shall be approved by the inmate. That includes the D.A., the friends and family of the victim, the friends and family of the inmate and everyone else involved in the case. There is no obvious reason for anyone to witness. The friends and family of the condemned are obviously most important - this being their chance for a final farewell. The family of the victim obviously deserve all the support they need from clergy, psychiatric professionals and attorneys - but the execution is a matter between the state and the inmate. If the victims feel that they need closure of some kind, that should be the responsibility of health professionals. Obviously, if the condemned feel that the family of the victim may be present, they should be welcomed - but that should be his/her decision.
2: The witnesses should be allowed to witness every stage from the moment the condemned enters the execution chamber, until he/she is pronounced dead - if the condemned does not wish otherwise. Since capital punishment is - supposedly - performed in the name of the people, they should have the right to know who's involved and what actually happens. If the inmate does not wish otherwise, the names and ages of everyone involved shall be made public. If they choose to participate, they should have to take the consequences:P Except for getting their travel expences(being calculated from the cheapest possible form of the transport) covered, no one involved in the process shall receive any form of payment for their efforts.
3: No execution shall be performed without medical personell involved, and they should be solely responsible for the inmates wellbeing during the process - which includes monitoring to be sure that the inmate does not feel pain during the process. They should not under any circumstances contribute to the actual execution, except to stay if they feel that the inmate experiences unnecessary mental or physical pain. Their names shall be revealed to the public as soon as he/she is assigned to the execution - should no willing medical professional be found, the execution shall be stayed until someone shows up. If the execution is stayed twice, the second stay shall cause immediate commutation to LWOP.
4: In addition to the usual appeals process, the friends and family of the victim shall have the right to pardon the inmate. Should at least 3 of the close friends and/or family of the victim feel that a pardon is in order, the inmate shall be pardoned.
5: To eliminate the chances of miscommunication between the governor and the execution team, the governor should be present in person at the execution - shall he/she be unavailable, the execution shall be stayed.
Any other suggestions?
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Post by dude on May 31, 2010 15:57:52 GMT -6
What in the hell!
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Post by Rev. Agave on May 31, 2010 16:18:55 GMT -6
All executions should be public, and there should be multiple executions on the same day. Instead of doing the executions at the same time, the should be conducted one by one with a 15 minute break in between so that the witnesses have time to use the restrooms and go to the con session stands. Beer should be widely available, as should mixed drinks out of a plastic cup. Foods should include tacos, burgers, hot dogs, corn dogs, and pretty much any other food that is available at most county fairs. Ideally, they would do about 5-10 executions at a time, and the inmates would get a chance to speak beforehand. I disagree with the drinking age being 21, but since it is, spectators who are of age would get an over 21 bracelet at the front gate so that they would not have to present ID everytime they went to the beer tent. After the execution, corpse desecration (like they did Mussolini) could also be a fun option. If the execution is to be by burning, everyone should be able to contribute by throwing a flaming fag onto the woodpile.
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Post by spinaltap on May 31, 2010 16:21:12 GMT -6
4: In addition to the usual appeals process, the friends and family of the victim shall have the right to pardon the inmate. Should at least 3 of the close friends and/or family of the victim feel that a pardon is in order, the inmate shall be pardoned.
5: To eliminate the chances of miscommunication between the governor and the execution team, the governor should be present in person at the execution - shall he/she be unavailable, the execution shall be stayed.
I find the whole post quite strange, but #4 & 5 really make me lol
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Post by ltdc on Jun 1, 2010 10:17:21 GMT -6
yes, stick around awhile. you should be a lot of fun
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Post by Big Al on Jun 1, 2010 19:11:59 GMT -6
The only way to improve on Capital Punishment is to use it more often.
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Post by Californian on Jun 1, 2010 20:08:13 GMT -6
Yes. Fasten your seatbelt, noob-this is going to be a bumpy ride for you. Here are two of our Founding documents. Which part of them don't you agree with? " We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Amendment the Fifth: "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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Post by Stormyweather on Jun 1, 2010 20:21:57 GMT -6
1: Everyone present at the execution, except for the necessary prison staff and medical personell, shall be approved by the inmate. That includes the D.A., the friends and family of the victim, the friends and family of the inmate and everyone else involved in the case. There is no obvious reason for anyone to witness. The friends and family of the condemned are obviously most important - this being their chance for a final farewell. The family of the victim obviously deserve all the support they need from clergy, psychiatric professionals and attorneys - but the execution is a matter between the state and the inmate. If the victims feel that they need closure of some kind, that should be the responsibility of health professionals. Obviously, if the condemned feel that the family of the victim may be present, they should be welcomed - but that should be his/her decision. The condemned inmate has lost all rights as far as I'm concerned and what the "inmate" wants is irrelevant" and why you think it should be most important seems strange. You act as if the condemned is in charge or something. I would support the victim's family being there before I would support the inmate's. Are you saying that whether or not the DA is there should be approved by the condemned?
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Post by john - uk on Jun 2, 2010 12:30:40 GMT -6
yes, stick around awhile. you should be a lot of fun ;D Where've they gone, its been a while since we had anyone this entertaining.
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Post by ltdc on Jun 2, 2010 14:28:56 GMT -6
yes, stick around awhile. you should be a lot of fun ;D Where've they gone, its been a while since we had anyone this entertaining. standard "hit and run". too bad, when they actually try to explain their views it can be funny. ;D
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Post by kingsindanger on Jun 2, 2010 20:22:38 GMT -6
Boy that one didn't last long. What a shame.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2010 21:20:02 GMT -6
Fuglyville obviously drew the short straw on pto.com this week
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Post by Californian on Jun 2, 2010 21:22:10 GMT -6
Fuglyville obviously drew the short straw on pto.com this week A real shame he left. He sounded like fun!
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Post by Stormyweather on Jun 2, 2010 21:25:27 GMT -6
Fuglyville obviously drew the short straw on pto.com this week A real shame he left. He sounded like fun! How do you know he won't be back? Was he banned or something?
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Post by Felix2 on Jun 3, 2010 2:41:30 GMT -6
All executions should be public, and there should be multiple executions on the same day. Instead of doing the executions at the same time, the should be conducted one by one with a 15 minute break in between so that the witnesses have time to use the restrooms and go to the con session stands. Beer should be widely available, as should mixed drinks out of a plastic cup. Foods should include tacos, burgers, hot dogs, corn dogs, and pretty much any other food that is available at most county fairs. Ideally, they would do about 5-10 executions at a time, and the inmates would get a chance to speak beforehand. I disagree with the drinking age being 21, but since it is, spectators who are of age would get an over 21 bracelet at the front gate so that they would not have to present ID everytime they went to the beer tent. After the execution, corpse desecration (like they did Mussolini) could also be a fun option. If the execution is to be by burning, everyone should be able to contribute by throwing a flaming fag onto the woodpile. I suppose the 15 minute break would give time for some pro's to self pleasure themselves between events?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2010 4:23:38 GMT -6
That would be grossly unacceptable. Why should the inmate get to decide, or have any control over who watches him die? Perhaps some focus is required on what he did to get himself in that position in the first place. Ie, he unlawfully decided to control the victims life by ending it. The victim, got no chance to beg for mercy, no trial, no opportunity to present a defense, no chance to say goodbye to friends and relatives, no chance to finalise affairs.
I don't think the payment for execution is that lucrative. I don't think their names should be made public because that would subject them to abuse, and harrassment from nutty anti-dp extremists. Besides, many of them are corrections personnel just doing a job. The identities of the people who sent the inmate to death row are usually public and they are the ones whose accountability really matters.
Should witnesses see things as the inmate being strapped to the gurney, yes.....
No, you need no medical personal, to cause a painless death.
There are a number of flaws here.
1. The family members of a single victim may disagree as shown in many incidences 2. How do you define family members. Immediate, Aunts, Uncles Cousins. What if the person was estranged from their family in life and were closer to their friends 3. What about the known wishes of the deceased. They are the main victim. Their wishes should be considered above the families wishes
No, the governor should be there if they wish, but communication strategies are in place to keep communication open.
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Post by Californian on Jun 3, 2010 8:09:23 GMT -6
I suppose the 15 minute break would give time for some pro's to self pleasure themselves between events? Only if Olivebranch wasn't available.
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Post by reapwysow on Jun 3, 2010 8:39:11 GMT -6
I suppose the 15 minute break would give time for some pro's to self pleasure themselves between events? Only if Olivebranch wasn't available. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by fuglyville on Jun 4, 2010 18:30:02 GMT -6
I believe that the only justifiable reason for using capital punishment, is to ensure that the convict does not kill again - thus I could only support it if there is a significantly high risk for repeated murderous behaviour.
And I believe that killing people to comfort the friends and relatives of the victim is a terrible mistake. Obviously - they should get the support they need. But my point is that they don't need another killing - what they need is caring and support from friends, relatives and qualified health personell. I know from personal experience - my dearly beloved was brutally raped and murdered a few years back - that being the relative of a murder victim is terrible, but that has not changed my view on these matters. I believe that the involvement of the victims relatives in the case should end as soon at the start of the court proceedings. Obviously - they should be allowed to be present in the courtroom, but they should be taken care of by people whose profession is caretaking - that should never be the responsibility of the justice system.
Thus I don't see a place for them witnessing the execution. If they actually get some pleasure out of watching someone die, that's nice for them. But as far as I see it, the inmate should - under the circumstances mentioned above - be in charge of who get's to witness. The fact that he/she dies should be enough to satisfy people - if they actually have to see it with their own eyes to believe it, they need to be taken care of by health personell.
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Post by reapwysow on Jun 4, 2010 20:10:21 GMT -6
This is normally established in the penalty phase.
Good luck getting elected.
This is going to get you in a little trouble here PTO guy.
Yes , by all means, we should empower the inmate to manipulate the system at every opportunity.
Like i said before PTO guy , insinuating that there are mental problems with the mvs isn't going to make you alot of allies here.
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Post by whitediamonds on Jun 4, 2010 20:37:19 GMT -6
This is normally established in the penalty phase. Good luck getting elected. This is going to get you in a little trouble here PTO guy. Yes , by all means, we should empower the inmate to manipulate the system at every opportunity. Like i said before PTO guy , insinuating that there are mental problems with the murder survivors isn't going to make you alot of allies here. Oh my, murder survivors need to see health personnel??? How twisted is that !!!
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Post by Big Al on Jun 4, 2010 20:41:13 GMT -6
I believe that the only justifiable reason for using capital punishment, is to ensure that the convict does not kill again - thus I could only support it if there is a significantly high risk for repeated murderous behaviour. There is no way to measure the risk of a one time murderer to know that he would or wouldn't kill again. It must be believed that once you kill it only get's easier to kill again and that should just be cut off the first time. Why? I would feel, at least, a smidgen better if I could personally strangle or even better bludgeon to death the person that killed my child or mother or whatever. Your opinion and that's fine. Not mine though. I don't think that witnessing the ending of the person that murdered your loved one will bring any closure or even lessen the pain that is felt but there is no doubt that it gives those that do chose to watch a certain satisfaction that the person responsible is gone. There really isn't any reason why they should not be allowed to watch. After all, it is in their behalf. Absolutely NO!!!!! The murderer should not have anything in their power. They should not be able to decide on absolutely anything other than volunteering for execution. Their days of controlling their own lives were over when they decided to take somebody else's life. It would never be enough. Nothing could bring them back or compensate for their loss. It really is only a temporary sense of relief that that particular person is gone and it almost only serves to erase that person from your thought. Health personnel is probably very beneficial to MVS's. But it doesn't take away the fact of what happened. And I, nor anybody, should even begin to judge what they feel or even try to tell them what they should feel. Each one will deal with it in their own different way and we, the outsiders, should simply respect that.
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Post by The Tipsy Broker on Jun 5, 2010 3:26:37 GMT -6
'If they actually get some pleasure out of watching someone die, that's nice for them.'
Very droll. You know if you were constipated you would be speechless.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2010 4:10:06 GMT -6
he must of been from the honkeyboufount stable..lol..
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Post by Grey on Jun 5, 2010 14:21:25 GMT -6
I believe that the only justifiable reason for using capital punishment, is to ensure that the convict does not kill again - thus I could only support it if there is a significantly high risk for repeated murderous behaviour. They are not being sentenced to death for crimes they will commit but for crimes they have committed. However there have been inmates who have murdered again. I don't think any MVS wants an execution in the sense that a loved on had to be murdererd in order for an execution to occur. You also have to consider that it is and will always be the actions of the murderer who controls "another killing" and by another killing I mean his own actions. MVS famalies don't ask for this--but murderers do when they commit the crime. I'm sorry for your loss. Do you believe Victim impact statements are worthless then? I don't, I think they should play apart. It gives the family a chance to address the murderer and say what needs to be said. No, inmates should not have the ability to control who goes to an execution. While I do not see the need for a public spectacle of it, if a victims family chooses to go to the execution they should be allowed too.
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Post by kingsindanger on Jun 5, 2010 15:51:55 GMT -6
Since the topic was mentioned, I guess I can offer my thoughts. I would like the see the process uniformed to the extent we execute every murderer by the exact same method - the electric chair- using the exact same protocol. This would also apply to the appeal process, which should be limited to an absolute amount of time after conviction to file appeals.
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Post by HANGMAN1981 on Jun 5, 2010 23:39:01 GMT -6
The only way to improve on Capital Punishment is to use it more often. and a way to lead to that improvement is to shorten the appeals process.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 3:34:31 GMT -6
>>Any other suggestions?
Reduce the number of personnel involved to a bare minimum. It should be the executioner, a few guards who escort the prisoner and assist with the execution, and the guest of honor. No one should be present who is likely to freak out over the process and go to the media with horror stories. The firing squad personnel in Utah have the right attitude. 1 method only per state. The method is part of the punishment, and furthermore, standardizing it reduces possibilities of incidents. Sedate the prisoner if but only if the method is hanging and the prisoner is too fat or neck already too damaged (eg, throat has been slit in the past) for a long-drop hanging. Give him one shot about 10-20 minutes before the hanging, and another one at the gallows just before securing his arms and legs. No ritual. Escort from the cell to the gallows or the chair, strap them up/in, attach the noose/electrodes, pull the switch/lever. Don't pull the switch a 2nd time unless absolutely necessary to kill, which is unlikely. Instead, leave the body hanging at least 8 minutes, or in the chair for at least 2 jolts of no more than 4 amps, separated by a 20 second pause, and 5 minutes longer in the chair after the power is cut, to leave time for the heart to stop if it hasn't already, before bothering to check for a heartbeat. This will prevent un-necessary burning incidents when using the electric chair and repeating the cycle multiple times. If the method is hanging and it looks like the neck didn't break, use a suitable tool or method to break it after a few seconds.
Keep publicity to a minimum. Send a short press release after the execution, and mention briefly that it was carried out in a quick, humane, professional manner. Ignore any cosmetic issues as irrelevant.
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Post by dude on Jun 10, 2010 18:27:45 GMT -6
Method: One bullet to the back of the head, outdoors, while the prisoner is laying face down, cuffed, on a bed of dirt or grass. No particular prison; whichever the prisoner was being held at. No last words. The charges that require the execution are to be read aloud to the prisoner.
Attendance: Executioner, guards to secure prisoner and secure execution area, victims' family (optional, up to 10), sentencing judge. One other guard will pronounce the prisoner dead.
Ideally, there can be a verbal impact statement beforehand, but I see people fighting to be the one that does it, so I don't see that ever happening.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2010 0:53:16 GMT -6
What do you think landed this person on death row? They murdered someone, and you want to give them choices. You're kidding right. This person deserves a Russian execution. A cell, a drain hole, and one right behind the ear. No family, no witnesses, no nothing just darkness.
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