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Post by sclcookie on Jun 8, 2005 12:27:32 GMT -6
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Jun 8, 2005 12:32:55 GMT -6
Suzanne, how much crack have you been smoking? ;D
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 8, 2005 12:39:18 GMT -6
Suzanne, how much crack have you been smoking? ;D Only weed....not really, but if it was legalized, i'd smoke a doobie.
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Post by dio on Jun 8, 2005 12:43:54 GMT -6
Actually I will surprise you and say I agree to a point here.The law of parties deal does seem a bit far fetched to me at times.I mean hey how can you always know the intent of your "friends".I did have issues with Cartwright getting the Juice,there were 2 other candidates just as deserving as him who thru the luxury of plea deals escaped their just rewards.Cartwright it seems was a fool and turned down a similar plea offer.Was he innocent?I dunno that I'd go that far but I would go so far as to say that under the law of parties he was no more guilty than the other 2 perps that night.
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 8, 2005 12:47:59 GMT -6
Actually I will surprise you and say I agree to a point here.The law of parties deal does seem a bit far fetched to me at times.I mean hey how can you always know the intent of your "friends".I did have issues with Cartwright getting the Juice,there were 2 other candidates just as deserving as him who thru the luxury of plea deals escaped their just rewards.Cartwright it seems was a fool and turned down a similar plea offer.Was he innocent?I dunno that I'd go that far but I would go so far as to say that under the law of parties he was no more guilty than the other 2 perps that night. Cartwright deserved to be in prison for a long time. He was innocent and didn't deserve to be executed. He regreted being a part of the robbery. The good thing is by the time he was executed, he was at peace because he knows he did something major. We got a lot of people to pay attn. to our justice system......lots of crap, scary.
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Jun 8, 2005 12:50:33 GMT -6
I just wondered why he did not take the deal he was offered and fight later...I never understood that mistake...
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 8, 2005 12:55:07 GMT -6
I just wondered why he did not take the deal he was offered and fight later...I never understood that mistake... Mike, I'm not going to go through all this with you again. You can do your research. I'm not trying to save his life anymore. He's already dead. His name will be cleared. I'm off to the next guy on DR...... hugggz mike, Suzanne
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Jun 8, 2005 12:58:04 GMT -6
A lot of good it will do him...
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Post by dio on Jun 8, 2005 13:25:07 GMT -6
Cartwright deserved to be in prison for a long time. He was innocent and didn't deserve to be executed.
He regreted being a part of the robbery
It is never polite nor wise to assume.But your above statement is very contradictory as worded.May I feel safe in the assumption you meant he was innocent of the murder?If this assumption is correct I think we could agree to a point.
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Post by sally104 on Jun 8, 2005 20:33:42 GMT -6
Arent we all glad that Ted Bundy turned down his plea offer
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 11, 2005 6:28:31 GMT -6
Yes, innocent of murder......what he was executed for. He wasn't innocent of the robbery part. Anytime I say he's innocent, he's innocent of the crime he was executed for. He never denied being a part of the robbery. Cartwright deserved to be in prison for a long time. He was innocent and didn't deserve to be executed. He regreted being a part of the robbery It is never polite nor wise to assume.But your above statement is very contradictory as worded.May I feel safe in the assumption you meant he was innocent of the murder?If this assumption is correct I think we could agree to a point.
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 11, 2005 6:29:43 GMT -6
I'm glad I've never ran into him on the streets for sure. He was messed up in the head for sure. Arent we all glad that Ted Bundy turned down his plea offer
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Post by RickZ on Jun 11, 2005 7:20:59 GMT -6
I'm not trying to save his life anymore. He's already dead. His name will be cleared. Uh, huh. Right. Sure it will. To quote the esteemed Bugs Bunny: What a maroon!
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 11, 2005 18:59:52 GMT -6
I'm not trying to save his life anymore. He's already dead. His name will be cleared. Uh, huh. Right. Sure it will. To quote the esteemed Bugs Bunny: What a maroon! Rickz, you don't know me well enough if your calling me a moron. And you underestimate Rich's family and friends.
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Post by Elric of Melnibone on Jun 11, 2005 19:07:21 GMT -6
He may have family left but they are not going help much...He was convicted by his own hand and executed by order of the court. there is not much he can do...
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Post by RickZ on Jun 11, 2005 19:09:22 GMT -6
Rickz, you don't know me well enough if your calling me a moron. And you underestimate Rich's family and friends. I will call you a moron now, since you can't read.
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 11, 2005 19:11:27 GMT -6
He may have family left but they are not going help much...He was convicted by his own hand and executed by order of the court. there is not much he can do... His name will be cleared. Mike, he is dead....his name will be saved, now.
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 11, 2005 19:13:54 GMT -6
Rickz, you don't know me well enough if your calling me a moron. And you underestimate Rich's family and friends. I will call you a moron now, since you can't read. Let's see, you spell moron M A R O O N.......... I read that part.... I'm dyslexic, BTW, so you can put me down for my reading all you want......it's not like I'll get upset by it too much being that I know I have a learning disability already
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Post by RickZ on Jun 11, 2005 19:17:15 GMT -6
Yes, you have a learning disability. You can't learn.
You also don't know who Bugs Bunny is. Shame, that.
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Post by anna_marek on Jun 12, 2005 8:09:24 GMT -6
cartwright asks forgiveness from Rick Moraida's family after his 'Innocent' strategy fails. Quote: Last words and such: "I want to apologize to the victim's family for any pain and suffering I caused them." www.deadmaneating.com/dmearch.html rc was also the undisputed leader of the gang and he tried to contact and influence the testimony of Hagood. Certainly not innocent behavior. Quote: Cartwright wrote to Hagood: "My statement was vague and doesn't put the gun in your hand. Your statement don't hurt me because you saw nothing." Woerner now believes those letters sealed Cartwright's fate. Woerner said he told Cartwright at the time not to talk to the other defendants in the case, but he said Cartwright evidently took that advice to mean that writing them was all right. Woerner said he learned of the letters during jury selection. "I was just flabbergasted," he said. "The statement indicated to the jury pretty strongly that he was involved in the murder. Without the letters, I think he probably would not have been convicted." Skurka, who tried the case, said he was concerned that the only eyewitness was a participant in the crime and his testimony might have been discounted by the jury because he had reached an agreement with prosecutors. Cartwright's letters helped abate that concern. "I didn't have a priest walking by seeing them kill him," Skurka said. "Even if you didn't believe the co-defendant, the guy in his own handwriting says he was there." Skurka said it was clear from the beginning that Cartwright was the leader of the pack and had taken the gun from the younger men because he didn't think they would be able to pull the trigger if it came to that. He also said prosecutors did not pursue a hate crimes charge because they already were trying the highest charge possible, capital murder. Dr. Burk Strong, foreman of the jury that convicted and sentenced Cartwright to death, said he has no doubt of Cartwright's guilt. He said the entire case, not just the testimony of the co-defendants or the letters, pointed to guilt. "The evidence was quite strong," he said. "I think it was a just sentence. It was a stone-cold murder www.caller.com/ccct/local_news/article/0,1641,CCCT_811_3779882,00.html
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Post by Tozzie on Jun 12, 2005 8:54:01 GMT -6
cartwright asks forgiveness from Rick Moraida's family after his 'Innocent' strategy fails. Quote: Last words and such: "I want to apologize to the victim's family for any pain and suffering I caused them." www.deadmaneating.com/dmearch.html rc was also the undisputed leader of the gang and he tried to contact and influence the testimony of Hagood. Certainly not innocent behavior. Quote: Cartwright wrote to Hagood: "My statement was vague and doesn't put the gun in your hand. Your statement don't hurt me because you saw nothing." Woerner now believes those letters sealed Cartwright's fate. Woerner said he told Cartwright at the time not to talk to the other defendants in the case, but he said Cartwright evidently took that advice to mean that writing them was all right. Woerner said he learned of the letters during jury selection. "I was just flabbergasted," he said. "The statement indicated to the jury pretty strongly that he was involved in the murder. Without the letters, I think he probably would not have been convicted." Skurka, who tried the case, said he was concerned that the only eyewitness was a participant in the crime and his testimony might have been discounted by the jury because he had reached an agreement with prosecutors. Cartwright's letters helped abate that concern. "I didn't have a priest walking by seeing them kill him," Skurka said. "Even if you didn't believe the co-defendant, the guy in his own handwriting says he was there." Skurka said it was clear from the beginning that Cartwright was the leader of the pack and had taken the gun from the younger men because he didn't think they would be able to pull the trigger if it came to that. He also said prosecutors did not pursue a hate crimes charge because they already were trying the highest charge possible, capital murder. Dr. Burk Strong, foreman of the jury that convicted and sentenced Cartwright to death, said he has no doubt of Cartwright's guilt. He said the entire case, not just the testimony of the co-defendants or the letters, pointed to guilt. "The evidence was quite strong," he said. "I think it was a just sentence. It was a stone-cold murder www.caller.com/ccct/local_news/article/0,1641,CCCT_811_3779882,00.html Someone want to tell us how "innocent" he was again? I guess he sealed his own fate.
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 12, 2005 8:56:37 GMT -6
cartwright asks forgiveness from Rick Moraida's family after his 'Innocent' strategy fails. Quote: Last words and such: "I want to apologize to the victim's family for any pain and suffering I caused them." www.deadmaneating.com/dmearch.html rc was also the undisputed leader of the gang and he tried to contact and influence the testimony of Hagood. Certainly not innocent behavior. Quote: Cartwright wrote to Hagood: "My statement was vague and doesn't put the gun in your hand. Your statement don't hurt me because you saw nothing." Woerner now believes those letters sealed Cartwright's fate. Woerner said he told Cartwright at the time not to talk to the other defendants in the case, but he said Cartwright evidently took that advice to mean that writing them was all right. Woerner said he learned of the letters during jury selection. "I was just flabbergasted," he said. "The statement indicated to the jury pretty strongly that he was involved in the murder. Without the letters, I think he probably would not have been convicted." Skurka, who tried the case, said he was concerned that the only eyewitness was a participant in the crime and his testimony might have been discounted by the jury because he had reached an agreement with prosecutors. Cartwright's letters helped abate that concern. "I didn't have a priest walking by seeing them kill him," Skurka said. "Even if you didn't believe the co-defendant, the guy in his own handwriting says he was there." Skurka said it was clear from the beginning that Cartwright was the leader of the pack and had taken the gun from the younger men because he didn't think they would be able to pull the trigger if it came to that. He also said prosecutors did not pursue a hate crimes charge because they already were trying the highest charge possible, capital murder. Dr. Burk Strong, foreman of the jury that convicted and sentenced Cartwright to death, said he has no doubt of Cartwright's guilt. He said the entire case, not just the testimony of the co-defendants or the letters, pointed to guilt. "The evidence was quite strong," he said. "I think it was a just sentence. It was a stone-cold murder www.caller.com/ccct/local_news/article/0,1641,CCCT_811_3779882,00.html Newspapers aren't accurate. They leave out important information, i.e. The interview Rich refused stated in the caller-times was prior to him being on death watch. I bet it would have been clearer if they would have added that bit of information, because we tried very hard to get media attn. Also, KRIS in Corpus Christi, TX was denied an interview with Cartwright from TDCJ and they weren't given an explaination as to why. Another thing, the week Rich was executed, some foriegn press was denied an interview, plus, Gov. Perry avoided them as well. I'm awaiting the tape of said story as we speak, so as soon as I get it, I'll let you know what is said. It is my understanding it is about the Texas Death Row and it has a bit about Rich, but I haven't seen it yet, therefore, that's all I know so far. huggggz, Suzanne P.S. I believe I still have the e mail from the KRIS reporter if anyone would like to verify said information. Yep, I still have it....so if would like a copy of the e mail forwarded to you, put a message in this thread and I'll get with you. hugggz again, Suzanne
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 12, 2005 9:01:33 GMT -6
cartwright asks forgiveness from Rick Moraida's family after his 'Innocent' strategy fails. Quote: Last words and such: "I want to apologize to the victim's family for any pain and suffering I caused them." www.deadmaneating.com/dmearch.html rc was also the undisputed leader of the gang and he tried to contact and influence the testimony of Hagood. Certainly not innocent behavior. Quote: Cartwright wrote to Hagood: "My statement was vague and doesn't put the gun in your hand. Your statement don't hurt me because you saw nothing." Woerner now believes those letters sealed Cartwright's fate. Woerner said he told Cartwright at the time not to talk to the other defendants in the case, but he said Cartwright evidently took that advice to mean that writing them was all right. Woerner said he learned of the letters during jury selection. "I was just flabbergasted," he said. "The statement indicated to the jury pretty strongly that he was involved in the murder. Without the letters, I think he probably would not have been convicted." Skurka, who tried the case, said he was concerned that the only eyewitness was a participant in the crime and his testimony might have been discounted by the jury because he had reached an agreement with prosecutors. Cartwright's letters helped abate that concern. "I didn't have a priest walking by seeing them kill him," Skurka said. "Even if you didn't believe the co-defendant, the guy in his own handwriting says he was there." Skurka said it was clear from the beginning that Cartwright was the leader of the pack and had taken the gun from the younger men because he didn't think they would be able to pull the trigger if it came to that. He also said prosecutors did not pursue a hate crimes charge because they already were trying the highest charge possible, capital murder. Dr. Burk Strong, foreman of the jury that convicted and sentenced Cartwright to death, said he has no doubt of Cartwright's guilt. He said the entire case, not just the testimony of the co-defendants or the letters, pointed to guilt. "The evidence was quite strong," he said. "I think it was a just sentence. It was a stone-cold murder www.caller.com/ccct/local_news/article/0,1641,CCCT_811_3779882,00.html Someone want to tell us how "innocent" he was again? I guess he sealed his own fate. At the top of this thread, there is a site posted with official information about his execution, etc....it will explain many things about his case if you read it.
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Post by Tozzie on Jun 12, 2005 9:18:31 GMT -6
Someone want to tell us how "innocent" he was again? I guess he sealed his own fate. At the top of this thread, there is a site posted with official information about his execution, etc....it will explain many things about his case if you read it. Site? I am really not interested you seem to think he is innocent I don't he was part of the crime that makes him guilty as far as I am concerned and apparently as far as the Law was concerned as well. He had the chance at the same plea his co criminals got he decided not too take it but was stupid enough to write letters incriminating himself , to coin a phrase RED used he is a victim of his own actions and no one elses.
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 12, 2005 9:24:43 GMT -6
At the top of this thread, there is a site posted with official information about his execution, etc....it will explain many things about his case if you read it. Site? I am really not interested you seem to think he is innocent I don't he was part of the crime that makes him guilty as far as I am concerned and apparently as far as the Law was concerned as well. He had the chance at the same plea his co criminals got he decided not too take it but was stupid enough to write letters incriminating himself , to coin a phrase RED used he is a victim of his own actions and no one elses. If I'm innocent, I'm not going to plea guilty..... He was guilty of the robbery, not of the murder......
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Post by sclcookie on Jun 12, 2005 9:26:10 GMT -6
Site? I am really not interested you seem to think he is innocent I don't he was part of the crime that makes him guilty as far as I am concerned and apparently as far as the Law was concerned as well. He had the chance at the same plea his co criminals got he decided not too take it but was stupid enough to write letters incriminating himself , to coin a phrase RED used he is a victim of his own actions and no one elses. If I'm innocent, I'm not going to plea guilty..... He was guilty of the robbery, not of the murder...... plus have you seen the letters....his letters didn't incrimidate him. It would be nice if the papers print the WHOLE story....
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Post by Tozzie on Jun 12, 2005 11:46:35 GMT -6
yep Site? I am really not interested you seem to think he is innocent I don't he was part of the crime that makes him guilty as far as I am concerned and apparently as far as the Law was concerned as well. He had the chance at the same plea his co criminals got he decided not too take it but was stupid enough to write letters incriminating himself , to coin a phrase RED used he is a victim of his own actions and no one elses. If I'm innocent, I'm not going to plea guilty..... He was guilty of the robbery, not of the murder...... If he was part of the robbery he was part of the murder maybe not in his mind but he was. It would also be nice if the anti's told the whole story as well.
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Post by anna_marek on Jun 12, 2005 12:14:25 GMT -6
The testimonies of the 2 gangsters supported each other in incriminating cartwright. The police interrogate suspects seperately and if testimonies are being made up they find that out in a hurry. Even if the 2 gangsters agreed to 'frame' cartwright the police will ask about details that they certainly didn't think of getting straight with each other, but would have to know if they witnessed the act..
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Post by josephdphillips on Jun 12, 2005 15:27:40 GMT -6
Newspapers aren't accurate. They leave out important information, i.e. The interview Rich refused stated in the caller-times was prior to him being on death watch. I bet it would have been clearer if they would have added that bit of information, because we tried very hard to get media attn. Also, KRIS in Corpus Christi, TX was denied an interview with Cartwright from TDCJ and they weren't given an explaination as to why. Another thing, the week Rich was executed, some foriegn press was denied an interview, plus, Gov. Perry avoided them as well. I'm awaiting the tape of said story as we speak, so as soon as I get it, I'll let you know what is said. It is my understanding it is about the Texas Death Row and it has a bit about Rich, but I haven't seen it yet, therefore, that's all I know so far. huggggz, Suzanne P.S. I believe I still have the e mail from the KRIS reporter if anyone would like to verify said information. Yep, I still have it....so if would like a copy of the e mail forwarded to you, put a message in this thread and I'll get with you. hugggz again, Suzanne Talk about clueless. The reason access to interviews with this murderer was denied is because any such interview wouldn't be relevant to anything. The guy did it. A hat trick of three executions would have been perfect, but life isn't perfect.
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Post by Rev. Agave on Jun 12, 2005 15:31:09 GMT -6
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Talk about clueless. The reason access to interviews with this murderer was denied is because any such interview wouldn't be relevant to anything. The guy did it. A hat trick of three executions would have been perfect, but life isn't perfect.[/quote]
Back in the day, all the people sentenced to death for the same murder were executed consecuativly on the same day. T
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