Reasons for the Death Penalty

[KYS]

Hello.

I'm in 11th grade and I'm going to be doing a debate on the Death Penalty in my Crime & Justice class. My position is for the DP.

I need reasons as to why the Death Penalty should be allowed and used. I could really use any information anyone can give me.

Thank you.

[Charlene]

First read this post: prodp.proboards47.com/index.cgi?board=student&action=display&thread=1114781272

Then visit the main site at www.prodeathpenalty.com.

[Donnie]

KYS said:

Hello.

I'm in 11th grade and I'm going to be doing a debate on the Death Penalty in my Crime & Justice class. My position is for the DP.

I need reasons as to why the Death Penalty should be allowed and used. I could really use any information anyone can give me.

The primary reason for having the death penalty for murder is to advance the pursuit of justice. That is the most noble aspiration of any civilized society. However, that simple fact will hardly be enough for a debate. I suggest that you read a nearby thread called, "My pro-capital punishment paper". It would be to your advantage to read some other threads as well. Then you need to formulate your ideas and ask some specific questions.

[Deleted]

The primary reaosn for the death penalty is to remove a person from society whose crimes are so repugnant that not even life imprisonment is considered sufficient punishment. Having participated in 12 executions, I can name 12 convicted murders who will never kill again. Who says the death penalty is no deterrent? It is deterring them for an eternity, as it is with every executed criminal in history. To those who point to the people released from death row after new evidence is found of their innocence, I say: This is proof that the justice system works. Many times, as we waited throough seeming endless stays to perform our functions, others would become impatient. Why, I ask? The stays are part of the system, what makes our country different from many others. About the current lethal injection uproar; evidently, some states tried to cheap it out with minimal doses of soium thiopentathal. Our state hits them with one hundred CCs, they're gone before the Pavulon starts. Once you see the pentathal yawn, it's over. The potassium chloride is just insurance. Lifers are litigious, they are constantly in court trying to reduce their sentences, making bogus claims, and trying to overturn their sentences. What the bleeding hearts don't tell you is that after years pass, many lifers are eligible for lower custody levels, increasing their ability to plan and attempt escapes.

[Lisa]

majordad18 said:

The primary reaosn for the death penalty is to remove a person from society whose crimes are so repugnant that not even life imprisonment is considered sufficient punishment. Having participated in 12 executions, I can name 12 convicted murders who will never kill again. Who says the death penalty is no deterrent? It is deterring them for an eternity, as it is with every executed criminal in history. To those who point to the people released from death row after new evidence is found of their innocence, I say: This is proof that the justice system works. Many times, as we waited throough seeming endless stays to perform our functions, others would become impatient. Why, I ask? The stays are part of the system, what makes our country different from many others. About the current lethal injection uproar; evidently, some states tried to cheap it out with minimal doses of soium thiopentathal. Our state hits them with one hundred CCs, they're gone before the Pavulon starts. Once you see the pentathal yawn, it's over. The potassium chloride is just insurance. Lifers are litigious, they are constantly in court trying to reduce their sentences, making bogus claims, and trying to overturn their sentences. What the bleeding hearts don't tell you is that after years pass, many lifers are eligible for lower custody levels, increasing their ability to plan and attempt escapes.

I can tell that you and I are going to get along just fine.

Welcome to the board.

[rosebud]

Welcome to the board

[HANGMAN1981]

majordad18 said:

The primary reaosn for the death penalty is to remove a person from society whose crimes are so repugnant that not even life imprisonment is considered sufficient punishment. Having participated in 12 executions, I can name 12 convicted murders who will never kill again. Who says the death penalty is no deterrent? It is deterring them for an eternity, as it is with every executed criminal in history. To those who point to the people released from death row after new evidence is found of their innocence, I say: This is proof that the justice system works. Many times, as we waited throough seeming endless stays to perform our functions, others would become impatient. Why, I ask? The stays are part of the system, what makes our country different from many others. About the current lethal injection uproar; evidently, some states tried to cheap it out with minimal doses of soium thiopentathal. Our state hits them with one hundred CCs, they're gone before the Pavulon starts. Once you see the pentathal yawn, it's over. The potassium chloride is just insurance. Lifers are litigious, they are constantly in court trying to reduce their sentences, making bogus claims, and trying to overturn their sentences. What the bleeding hearts don't tell you is that after years pass, many lifers are eligible for lower custody levels, increasing their ability to plan and attempt escapes.

We really need someone like you on here.

[zinger2]

Some people would view life imprisonment as a worse sentence than the death penalty as they suffer thoughout their whole life and eventually die anyway. You could always argue how immediate death can serve as a more effective deterrent though.

[Donnie]

majordad18 said:

The primary reaosn for the death penalty is to remove a person from society whose crimes are so repugnant that not even life imprisonment is considered sufficient punishment. Having participated in 12 executions, I can name 12 convicted murders who will never kill again.

Thank you for your service to humanity.

[lawrence]

You need people like that, come on guys? whats going on here. The death penalty is to remove people from society where the crime is so repugnent? My butt.
Come on there has to be a better argument then that. This guy/gal needs are help. Its revenge for the victim, Period. Its state sanctioned revenge. As a christian i was in two minds about it. I joined this board after watching a programme on the BBC about the dp and i have always been in two minds but not anymore. After reading some of the sick and twisted responses to people being fried, injected etc i wonder what is happening to us as a species. I can understand the emotion but none the less its state sanctioned victim motivated revenge. To say otherwise guys, your kidding yourself.

I for one will not support it now because of the callous way you talk about these human beings as trash, filth and they should be extinquished from the face of the earth. Hitler had that philosophy once too. Rather they rot in prison that executed. It took me less then two weeks of being a member of this club to make my mind up.
Thank fully we live in a democracies and i may not like or agree with some of the comments, i do respect them. There are two sides to this argument. both need to aired without one being rubbished, slagged off or treated with contempt. Let the lad, lady make up his/her mind without being influenced by prejudice.

How can he make up his mind for or against when biggots influence his decision.

The argument for and against must be made with mind that the victims and the condemend are human beings in gods image and all deserve respect otherwise we become animals. I am not an animal. Regardless of the crime they are human beings and deserve justice. If it is to be the DP then it must be carried out with humane tactic and not because of emotionally demanded revenge. That does not bring the victim back or make the victim feel better, the DP may give solace to their families if they are eaten up by revenege and anger which would be understandable but not necessarily right.

I for one cant support if if its dictated by revenege, emotionall charged or otherwise. Two wrongs dont make a right. Im not a tweeb, weak or a liberal pro lifer. I have an opinion and its based on my values as a human being and a christian. I could support the DP if its guilty without a shadow of a doubt, if its for pre meditated murder or paedaphilia, or for blatent greed and then only if its carried out humanely. I say this not to confuse the argument because of what i have already wrote against it but because of my christian values.

[iamjumbo]

lawrence said:

You need people like that, come on guys? whats going on here. The death penalty is to remove people from society where the crime is so repugnent? My butt.
Come on there has to be a better argument then that. This guy/gal needs are help. Its revenge for the victim, Period. Its state sanctioned revenge. As a christian i was in two minds about it. I joined this board after watching a programme on the BBC about the dp and i have always been in two minds but not anymore. After reading some of the sick and twisted responses to people being fried, injected etc i wonder what is happening to us as a species. I can understand the emotion but none the less its state sanctioned victim motivated revenge. To say otherwise guys, your kidding yourself.

I for one will not support it now because of the callous way you talk about these human beings as trash, filth and they should be extinquished from the face of the earth. Hitler had that philosophy once too. Rather they rot in prison that executed. It took me less then two weeks of being a member of this club to make my mind up.
Thank fully we live in a democracies and i may not like or agree with some of the comments, i do respect them. There are two sides to this argument. both need to aired without one being rubbished, slagged off or treated with contempt. Let the lad, lady make up his/her mind without being influenced by prejudice.

How can he make up his mind for or against when biggots influence his decision.

The argument for and against must be made with mind that the victims and the condemend are human beings in gods image and all deserve respect otherwise we become animals. I am not an animal. Regardless of the crime they are human beings and deserve justice. If it is to be the DP then it must be carried out with humane tactic and not because of emotionally demanded revenge. That does not bring the victim back or make the victim feel better, the DP may give solace to their families if they are eaten up by revenege and anger which would be understandable but not necessarily right.

I for one cant support if if its dictated by revenege, emotionall charged or otherwise. Two wrongs dont make a right. Im not a tweeb, weak or a liberal pro lifer. I have an opinion and its based on my values as a human being and a christian. I could support the DP if its guilty without a shadow of a doubt, if its for pre meditated murder or paedaphilia, or for blatent greed and then only if its carried out humanely. I say this not to confuse the argument because of what i have already wrote against it but because of my christian values.

your problem there is that true christian values demand the death penalty.
nonetheless, the irrefutable fact is that there is NO intelligent argument against the death penalty. every anti argument, without exception, is based purely on knee jerk emotionalism and the irrational belief that a murderer's life is just as important as a victim's.

[m]

The one who compares our society to that of Hitler’s in Nazi Germany fails to realize that Hitler killed innocents who had committed no crime and were no harm to anyone.
The ones who we are discussing commit "crimes against humanity" so terrible that they can never truly make up for it, but at least we can find solace that they will no longer harm any innocent if executed.
Tell us supported of these murderers would you support the Hitler’s execution if he were around today who you so rightly despise, or would you be a hypocrite and flock to his aid.
And if you happen to scream out race before thinking, think of this. If a white man kills a black man its thought as a hate crime, but if a black man kills a white man the black man is somehow being discriminated against shouldn't both men be thought of as criminals, regardless of how the killers family feels or their skin color. Since the answer is yes, and only guilt or innocents should be the crime why should race be a statistic?
If this were revenge we would be trying are best to put these killers in as much pain as possible. Instead we try to make the process as "painless" as possible, before making rash statements that are simply not true realize that the innocents who were murdered also had a right to live that was taken from them. These so called "reformed" killers such as Jack Henry Abbott or Kenneth McDuff went out to kill again after being released
Furthermore prisoners who are incarcerated for life are able to bypass the organ donor list simply for being in prison go to this site www.corrections.com/news/article/17106 involving the "Trigo" Case mentioned should prisoners be able to sue the prisons for not provide them with medical treatment costing millions of dollars in taxes, we the people who follow law, pay for simply because they landed in prison for the murder of an innocent. If your answer is no then stop trying to protect these convicted killers. If you think this is reasonable then get your head examined.
By the way I am also in the 11th grader making a speech here are some of the things I thought of writing against the supporter of these monsters you can take what you want for your speech KYS the original poster or any others for that matter.

[lawrence]

Firstly let me make a point so that i am not misunderstood. i did not compare your country to Nazi germany at all. I said hitler had that philosophy in regards to calling people trash, POS etc. Hitler was a nasty piece of work who got his just deserves, his people are still sufering the prejudice for his actions even today. No i would never support that type of behaviour ever, but we did in the former Yugoslavia, we all just sat back and watched the serbs wipe out whole towns and use genocide as a weapon and to our shame we did nothing until it was too late. Guess who had to go and sort it out, yep us two suckers because the rest of the bloody world didnt give a *crap* or couldnt be bothered. I understand what your saying about the white and black issue, we have the same here but never the less the issue of the DP is a deep rotted issue for both sides of the debate. To justify it on the grounds that it reduces crime is a total fad, you only have to look at your annual gun crime murder statistics to see its not a deterent. You have to find another way guys. LWOP i could support providing that the eveidence is absolute and without a doubt. Look at Richie. the case was dropped against him because eveidence suggested that it may have been an accident and he spent 21 years on death row, at one stage an hour away from being terminated. Like him or not its highly possible that he was innocent and the Prosecution didnt have the balls to fight it further. I too would plea bargain. Im not saying it a regular occurence either, your justice sytem is second to none but mistakes can be made and people can be executed who may be innocent. LWOP yes but no to execution. That is just my opinion. you may not like it or agree but its mine. You have yours and i respect that but two worngs dont make a right. Get guns off your streets and perhaps you wont have 25000 gun related murders every year, on average. Now that is shocking, no pun intended.